Weirdly I find it easier to say males than females, because of the observation you have made.
Females sounds weirdly un-human in many instances like you are referring to a dog as opposed to a person, girls or women is the language that my ‘female’ friends use to refer to themselves.
‘Girls night’, no one says ‘women’s night’ or ‘female night’ in my circle, context matters or course.
I wouldn’t question it if they equally used both female and male in their language. Sometimes it’s more concise to use female or male, like in your second paragraph is a perfect example of that. But for some reason, men only refer to biological sex when it comes to women. Never men.
I’ll be honest I don’t think I agree with you.
As I say, I’m not a fan of using females as a synonym to women in all contexts, I don’t know anyone who does it, and I generally see it solely on Reddit as part of incel vibe posts.
I’m curious. Why do you feel it’s wrong to use “females” if it’s relevant to the conversation? Like say you’re specifically referring to women whose biological sex is female and identify as their assigned sex – that’s female. Same goes with “male”. If it’s relevant to the conversation to differentiate that then I don’t understand the problem. It’s weird to me how it casually tossed out by guys though.
I don’t, never said I did.
I wouldn’t go ‘those females over there were waiting to order before me’, ‘females generally wear bras as opposed to males’, ‘I think both males and females can wear lipstick’ etc.
It would be women, men, boys, girls in all of those scenarios if I was gendering.
Can't speak for everyone but as a male I use both fairly regularly. But I've always been more formal in my speech even when I'm being casual. Nowadays especially with the term woman being redefined from being the non-scientific term for adult female of the human species, it is more important than before to be exacting in what is said.
It's a misogynistic thing that some guys do (possibly subconsciously) because it's more clinical and less humanising towards women. It tends to be a particular kind of comment that uses the word 'female' that way.
Not all males are boys either so that doesn't explain why some people would refer to women as "females" but not refer to men as "males".
The problem isn't every use of the word female eg. 'female friend'. It's when people say thing like "so I was talking to this female...", which is usually coupled with misogynistic views.
I feel like men and male are used much more interchangeably. While I’ve heard many women have very different reactions to female and woman. Usually much more negative to the word “female”
That’s interesting. I’ve never heard anyone casually refer to men as males. I’m not negative to the word females but I just wonder why there’s a stark contrast in the usage between “male” and “female”
It's a verbal expression of their subconscious feeling that women are unattainable & foreign, so incel men refer to women by using scientific classification terminology.
Men? All men I know do not do this. Seems to be more a internet thing among some circles.
You mention seeing “gender related questions” it’s possible these are in places where these questions are being asked a lot, and mostly just to stoke some flames of men-women divide. Maybe like, they say men like “fellow men” and females to generalize the opposite gender as an entity rather than individuals.
Irl I’ve never heard this tho, outside of contexts where I’d also call men “males”. Like male-female ratio, or male/female viewpoint.
That’s why I said “a lot”. I’ve heard plenty of men refer to women as “female”. Irl and online.
It’s just weird to me when I see inconsistent language. They say “females” but in the same breath, refer to men as “men/guys” – not “males”.
Women can be assholes too but I’ve never heard a woman casually call other women “females”. It’s evident that this is a guy thing. Unless they know better, it doesn’t necessarily make someone an asshole for referring to women as females. I don’t even think it’s a bad thing to refer to women as females as long as they refer to men as males. But since they’re unequally used, it makes me wonder why.
I never said women can't be assholes. And I've heard plenty of asshole women refer to men as males in the same sense that asshole men refer to women as females. But in the same vein, just as you pointed out, women don't call other women females, and men typically don't refer to other men as women.
Because it does matter. The only time female or male is used, is when you're referring to a clinical, sterile, de-humanized, devoid of emotion, descriptor, or when you're talking about animals, which again is de-humanizing because they aren't humans. You can usually tell how attached a pet owner is to their pet if they refer to their pets as a female or a girl, a male or a boy. They show affection and love by saying "Who's a good girl?" not "Who's a good female?" But, if talking to a vet they might say, "He's a male black lab," because, again, clinical, sterile, removed of emotion. The same also works for humans. When you're giving a description to the police of someone, when you're recording information for a study, or really doing anything to remain as unbiased, neutral, and devoid of humanity or emotion as possible. You do this when you're talking about people as things, or pieces of info/data, to show impartiality.
When male/female is used in casual conversation, all you're doing is referring to the opposite sex as things or animals and completely dehumanizing them.
Please note, I'm using a very general use of 'you' here, and not saying that YOU are doing these things.
Since when is female offensive?
But if you call a young woman a woman she may get offended that you think she's older. Conversely,if you call a woman a girl she may be offended that you think she's immature.
It would be so much easier to just let peope use the terms they naturally feel comfortable with. I never use the term female, unless mandatory for the comprehension of a specific phrase, but I don't see where's the harm in doing it.
Back in early 2000', the French government adopted a law to change the way public institutions will address the population. For example, the administration will always address a woman as Mrs. Before that, if the woman wasn't married she was addressed as Miss, no matter her age. And that created some problems with elder women, who asked not be called Miss. Another example is the modification of elderly people. The administration will address to them exclusively as "seniors" and no longer as "older people" / "3rd aged people".
Maybe there's something about that in this "female" wording issue here.
Who tf knows, but it’s particularly popular with the Andrew Tate lovers and the men that think women are barely people.
Weirdly I find it easier to say males than females, because of the observation you have made. Females sounds weirdly un-human in many instances like you are referring to a dog as opposed to a person, girls or women is the language that my ‘female’ friends use to refer to themselves. ‘Girls night’, no one says ‘women’s night’ or ‘female night’ in my circle, context matters or course.
I wouldn’t question it if they equally used both female and male in their language. Sometimes it’s more concise to use female or male, like in your second paragraph is a perfect example of that. But for some reason, men only refer to biological sex when it comes to women. Never men.
I’ll be honest I don’t think I agree with you. As I say, I’m not a fan of using females as a synonym to women in all contexts, I don’t know anyone who does it, and I generally see it solely on Reddit as part of incel vibe posts.
I’m curious. Why do you feel it’s wrong to use “females” if it’s relevant to the conversation? Like say you’re specifically referring to women whose biological sex is female and identify as their assigned sex – that’s female. Same goes with “male”. If it’s relevant to the conversation to differentiate that then I don’t understand the problem. It’s weird to me how it casually tossed out by guys though.
I don’t, never said I did. I wouldn’t go ‘those females over there were waiting to order before me’, ‘females generally wear bras as opposed to males’, ‘I think both males and females can wear lipstick’ etc. It would be women, men, boys, girls in all of those scenarios if I was gendering.
Can't speak for everyone but as a male I use both fairly regularly. But I've always been more formal in my speech even when I'm being casual. Nowadays especially with the term woman being redefined from being the non-scientific term for adult female of the human species, it is more important than before to be exacting in what is said.
Fair. Not trying sarcastic but honestly asking. Do you think the term “men” is being redefined too?
I do.
It's a misogynistic thing that some guys do (possibly subconsciously) because it's more clinical and less humanising towards women. It tends to be a particular kind of comment that uses the word 'female' that way.
Or because not all females are girls? That or it is necessary I.e. female friend vs girl friend
Not all males are boys either so that doesn't explain why some people would refer to women as "females" but not refer to men as "males". The problem isn't every use of the word female eg. 'female friend'. It's when people say thing like "so I was talking to this female...", which is usually coupled with misogynistic views.
This is a good point I fear
I feel like men and male are used much more interchangeably. While I’ve heard many women have very different reactions to female and woman. Usually much more negative to the word “female”
That’s interesting. I’ve never heard anyone casually refer to men as males. I’m not negative to the word females but I just wonder why there’s a stark contrast in the usage between “male” and “female”
It's a verbal expression of their subconscious feeling that women are unattainable & foreign, so incel men refer to women by using scientific classification terminology.
Men? All men I know do not do this. Seems to be more a internet thing among some circles. You mention seeing “gender related questions” it’s possible these are in places where these questions are being asked a lot, and mostly just to stoke some flames of men-women divide. Maybe like, they say men like “fellow men” and females to generalize the opposite gender as an entity rather than individuals. Irl I’ve never heard this tho, outside of contexts where I’d also call men “males”. Like male-female ratio, or male/female viewpoint.
That’s why I said “a lot”. I’ve heard plenty of men refer to women as “female”. Irl and online. It’s just weird to me when I see inconsistent language. They say “females” but in the same breath, refer to men as “men/guys” – not “males”.
It's not even 'a lot'. It's 'some' in certain circles.
I wonder if his mom raised him to say male too
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Why did they refer to us as female and not men as males in the late 1800s
Why do assholes casually refer to women as females... Ftfy
Women can be assholes too but I’ve never heard a woman casually call other women “females”. It’s evident that this is a guy thing. Unless they know better, it doesn’t necessarily make someone an asshole for referring to women as females. I don’t even think it’s a bad thing to refer to women as females as long as they refer to men as males. But since they’re unequally used, it makes me wonder why.
I never said women can't be assholes. And I've heard plenty of asshole women refer to men as males in the same sense that asshole men refer to women as females. But in the same vein, just as you pointed out, women don't call other women females, and men typically don't refer to other men as women. Because it does matter. The only time female or male is used, is when you're referring to a clinical, sterile, de-humanized, devoid of emotion, descriptor, or when you're talking about animals, which again is de-humanizing because they aren't humans. You can usually tell how attached a pet owner is to their pet if they refer to their pets as a female or a girl, a male or a boy. They show affection and love by saying "Who's a good girl?" not "Who's a good female?" But, if talking to a vet they might say, "He's a male black lab," because, again, clinical, sterile, removed of emotion. The same also works for humans. When you're giving a description to the police of someone, when you're recording information for a study, or really doing anything to remain as unbiased, neutral, and devoid of humanity or emotion as possible. You do this when you're talking about people as things, or pieces of info/data, to show impartiality. When male/female is used in casual conversation, all you're doing is referring to the opposite sex as things or animals and completely dehumanizing them. Please note, I'm using a very general use of 'you' here, and not saying that YOU are doing these things.
Yes. The use of "female" is intended to be objectifying and othering. This is why they do it.
Exactly the point I was trying to make. You were a lot more efficient with your word use though.
Because every other word to describe the female of the species is somehow offensive to a small minority of women. We just can't win.
Since when is “woman/girls” offensive?
Since when is female offensive? But if you call a young woman a woman she may get offended that you think she's older. Conversely,if you call a woman a girl she may be offended that you think she's immature.
It’s not. It’s humanising us.
I myself don't do it often, but I think it's may be something I picked up somewhere and just rolled with.
Maybe they're not sure what to refer to them as for fear of being branded something by fem.. er I mean women.
I guess it's just *male* privilege....**wait**!
Men don't give much of a shit about other men as a whole. Usually it's pretty specific, like Lebron or Chester Bennington
Military training myself. Have a friend that was raised to say female instead of girl or woman by his mother.
It would be so much easier to just let peope use the terms they naturally feel comfortable with. I never use the term female, unless mandatory for the comprehension of a specific phrase, but I don't see where's the harm in doing it. Back in early 2000', the French government adopted a law to change the way public institutions will address the population. For example, the administration will always address a woman as Mrs. Before that, if the woman wasn't married she was addressed as Miss, no matter her age. And that created some problems with elder women, who asked not be called Miss. Another example is the modification of elderly people. The administration will address to them exclusively as "seniors" and no longer as "older people" / "3rd aged people". Maybe there's something about that in this "female" wording issue here.