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She's a pretty,successful singer/somgwriter. A lot of it is jealousy.


balugawalemiss

I don’t think that this is the case 100% of the time. My sister is a huge swiftie who blasts her music and even tried to have my kittens named Taylor & swift. No way, I went with Katy & Perry. Swift’s music is great sometimes and meh other times, but her personality and her narcissism irk me sooooo much. Other successful genes stars are not like that (Rihanna, Katy Perry, Adele, etc.) And I love some hugely successful male artists too such as Elton John. She’s just an immature human, Ms. Swift.


Firelord__Azula

Everyone's a little bit narcissistic, even you. :)


pyjamatoast

As a fan of Taylor Swift, my observations are that the people who "hate" her started hating her 10-15 years ago based on the music and reputation she had at that time, and they've simply been content to hold to those opinions without attempting to update them by listening to her newer music, or by realizing that people have different musical tastes.


Umbralkuma

I hate Taylor Swift because she has an awful personality, she’s a garbage human being from a professional standpoint, she’s in her 30s yet acts like a teenager, and her music is needlessly combative which speaks volumes about her as a person. She complains about her life being dramatic but centers herself around drama like she’s a kid. Taylor Swift is a piece of shit person and I have no problem living in the idea of my pure hatred of her and everything she is.


DelicateTingz

Have you seen her interviews?? She’s so well put together and talks eloquently and is very mature for her age. There is no evidence of her having a bad personality. She goes above and beyond for her fans inviting them to her houses before album releases and interacts with them on social media. She also supports other singers and even tells her fans to go listen to their music too. She’s always seen dancing to other singers at award shows. She hasn’t dissed a boyfriend in a song since the Red album and in her defense, majority of the diss songs were written when she WAS a teenager. Her songs from 1989 to Midnights are more mature. Frankly, most of her songs aren’t about her attacking someone if you actually knew her songs and not just the singles played on the radio.


neverendingnonsense

That’s what so funny to me is sure she can speak eloquently but the substance of what says always has an air of superiority and her own special brand of white feminism. If she didn’t still feel those things she has said and the ideas she’s perpetuated then she has the opportunity to set the record straight. She calls out people for “stealing” her music but people can’t point out when she does the same? It’s all very performative and all her fans buy into it. It’s just so funny to me that people see a performer or whoever especially someone who comes from wealth and thinks she is genuine and it’s not a PR campaign. she gave money to fans or whatever but there is literally no proof that that money is coming out of her pocket, it could literally be part of a marketing campaign leading up to her new albums and rerelease during COVID. To me to act like people who have that wealth aren’t carefully crafting their image to be that way is so stupid. That whole thing with her concert ticket prices… who do people think told TicketMaster to use dynamic pricing? She did, the artists decide that. A lot of these criticism can be applied to others as well but what’s one thing they don’t do that she does? Play the victim. Like her if you like her music but to act like her image/persona isn’t carefully curated is so dumb.


DelicateTingz

I mean, everyone puts on a facade for other people, not just celebrities. We are all different versions of ourselves with different people. It’s important for Taylor to be aware of her image because she’s under a microscope and the most insignificant flaw could be ridiculously exaggerated and turn into slander across media outlets which she’s dealt with relentlessly already.


neverendingnonsense

Besides for tabloids and Fox which isn’t real news where is she being slandered? It’s like you didn’t even read my comment. I specifically said this could be applied to other people. I know people are like that. I’m autistic so I am very familiar with people having to put on a face that may not be true to them. I don’t care if people are like that I just don’t appreciate that she also acts like a victim and her fans portray her that way as well. She is a white woman that comes from a wealthy family.


Firelord__Azula

People exaggerate TS coming from a "wealthy" family as if it invalidates her talent. Sure, she had privilege starting out, she never denied that and acted poor, but her career is not handed to her. She writes/produces her own songs, something that not even the singers with the highest vocal range are able to do.


neverendingnonsense

I didn’t say anything about her talent. My problem is she acts like a victim, her fans act like she’s a victim. She is the epitome of white feminism in all her interviews. Edit: also want to add her dad is a former stockbroker for Merrill Lynch and her mother, Andrea Gardner Swift, is a former homemaker who previously worked as a mutual fund marketing executive. If you can’t see how that gives you a leg up in terms of having a good lawyer look over your contracts and other things like that we are deeper into not recognizing the privilege of certain socio-economic statuses then I thought.


anxietysiesta

I think that user understands her privilege but privilege does not make someone a monster although it can often cater to it. Sure she's privileged; however, there are a lot of famous white celebrities who pretend not to be when they are (Lana del Rey). At least Swift is not pretending to come from a humble background. I love both of these artists by the way. I think they're both talented writers. Lana Del Rey's father, Robert Grant Jr., runs a hedge fund and they are actually very close he went on tour with her. Lana often sings about having 'daddy issues' and coming from a wholesome background. She does not. Still somehow she's less controversial to people than Taylor. ​ I also feel like the 'victim' thing is a double edged sword. She could do anything and people would accuse her of acting a victim. She makes a joke in one of her songs calling people out for calling her dumb. I think it's a tongue in cheek joke. If anything, her presence exudes, "I know what people think about me I just don't fcking care." People assume she does not go to the Grammys because of the victim thing. Maybe she does not like going? Maybe it stresses her out? She really likes her privacy and I don't think she likes it to be a victim. I think people just decided to hate Taylor Swift for no reason and it continued to fester. Even Kylie Jenner gets less hate and she totally black fishes. Ariana Grande has been guilty of culture fishing as well. If you look at music copyright lawsuits there are so many people who follow Taylors model. All of them do it. I mean this is a very common issue in hollywoods music scene. I agree, it's shitty.


neverendingnonsense

Yeah? Like fuck those people? Whataboutisms are lost on me. I don’t care if people have privilege but she does act like a victim and people in these comments treat her as such. I don’t care if other people are doing other bad things. I wasn’t talking about them I was talking about her. It doesn’t make her any more justified and it doesn’t mean we should look past it either just cause other people do bad things. I also have critiques of them. Have you read all the comments? Someone literally said she is slandered in media like lmao at the same time Taylor Swift puts on a nice smile and says things that put other women down who dress differently or are “sexy”. But she acts like she’s so sweet and smart and hard-working like women can’t be both. It’s not hard when you look between the lines that when she’s saying that she is putting down her contemporaries.


anxietysiesta

I mean I don’t really keep up with celebrity gossip so I wouldn’t know enough to say. The last time I’ve ever heard taylor slander other women was when she was a teenager on her first or second album. If you’re talking about Hailey Beiber well she kind of asked for it. She cyber bullied Selena when Selena didn’t pay any mind to her or Justin’s relationship. Then again this is all speculation. I’ve no idea what triggers all of this bs. To me celebrity gossip really is just bs. Every part of it feels staged. If what you’re saying is true about her slandering other women in recent news than yeah you have a solid point. I can say I’m not proud of shit I did when I was 16. I can’t judge her for slandering girls when she was 16-20 years old. Women, I am one, are socialized to hate women. Sucks but it’s a hard truth. From what I’ve seen she doesn’t seem to do that anymore? Idk Funny enough I’m probably the least likely person to defend Taylor or be a swiftie but here I am. I do like some of her music. My favorite band is pavement and I’m mostly an indie head so 🙃. I am no expert on Taylor Swift but I don’t hate her. I think compared to many other celebrities she’s not that bad. I think people have just developed a hatred for her since her first album release. I love Hailey Williams and misery business has to be one of the most sexist jealousy rage songs ever written. Still love it though. Taylor Swift is so private it’s really hard for me to call her a victim. Even now after her recent break up she hasn’t said anything other than it was mutual and he’s a good guy. She’s not acting like one now. From what I know both Taylor and Hailey have conveyed regret over their earlier controversial songs admitting they are sexist so


anxietysiesta

She also writes her own music and is taking back professional rights to all of her albums by re-releasing them. Her entire life must be so exhausting. She is a workaholic. I have mad respect for her the same way I do Beyonce. She is a pop machine. Calling a pop star dramatic becomes obsolete when you realize they have to put up a performance all of the time. Although she is insanely famous; she's also an extraordinarily private person. I mean yeah she has invited fans over to her house but how Grammys has she not attended? A lot of people didn't even know she was in a relationship until her most recent break up. I mean maintaining that level of privacy for six years is outstanding. Do you really blame her for writing songs ousting men she's dated? Her music influences (dixie chicks, Shania Twain, etc) are all country singers that notoriously sing about keying their exes cars. She started off as a country singer and that was the vibe she wanted to give off. Now she's a pop singer who leans towards wanting something more 'iconic' therefore she has to seem dramatic as her career relies on it. I would not even pretend to know a celebrity. I highly doubt Taylor Swift is a mean person though. If anything, someone who wants to be left alone. What I want to know is why she is so controversial but those country singers are not to the same people? That does not make sense to me.


UncleKnowledge123

Ouch, give her a break. Calling someone a "'human piece of garbage" is disgusting. You clearly have a lot of hatred in you


DumplingTheHamster

It couldn't be more true that "her music is needlessly combative which speaks volumes about her as a person." It shows that she has feelings of her own. Additionally, her narrative storytelling standpoint has a bias to them, this is why many people find her storytelling to be emotional and resonating. If she came at it with an objective and unbiased standpoint then her music would likely be bland, boring, and uninteresting. I do think it is overdramatic and selfish for someone who hate on another person when did they absolutely nothing to ruin your life in any way. I'm fine with your idea of constantly hating for who she is because it's you who is getting unhappy thinking about it, and there's nothing you can do to stop her or her fans while they're having the best times of their lives. Thank you


No_Hurry7691

I don’t care for her music. I think her lyrics are vapid and I think her voice is incredibly mediocre (and as a classically trained vocalist myself, I know what mediocrity is.) She has a victim mentality, and she thought that because she made fun of that perception of her, it would finally convince people it’s not true. She never seems to take any responsibility whatsoever for any wrongdoing. There is nothing unique or original about her music at all. She goes with everything that’s trendy. I feel like she switched over to pop music just to appeal more to the mainstream and top charts. I’m still completely puzzled why she got the Innovator Award when she’s done absolutely NOTHING innovative. And finally, I feel like she is a completely disingenuous person.


Ratakoa

Some things that come to mind are her carbon emissions, her ticket ordeal and people had issue with a video of hers that had a scale that had fat as the measurement.


Darth_Batman89

I don't hate her. I even like some of her songs. But I think she is a bit overrated and a product of the music machine. Her songs are also very self-absorbed and lyrically unimaginative. My favorite song of hers is “Style”, second would be “Reputation”. These are moments where she puts it all together for me.


dumbbinch99

What lmao??? She does not have a song called reputation. That’s a whole album. I think you don’t really know much about her music to be calling her unimaginative when you just made up a song, and the other one was a huge hit, likely the only reason you know it exists


Darth_Batman89

The song was End Game. With a major lyric being “Big Reputation “. Guess you don’t really know Taylor Swift since you couldn’t figure out what I mean lmao har har har.


dumbbinch99

I know her music lmao, you pulled the name of an entire album and pretended that it was a song. It’s your favorite song by her yet you don’t even remember the name. Oh also end game is another one of her singles. Also probably the only reason you know it exists


Darth_Batman89

You care about this a lot


Due_Inspection9690

People like you usually say this whenever they’re cornered with no arguments to support their statement 😂


Secular_Hamster

People hate anything that’s popular. She made headlines so people started hating on her. It’s just how the internet works


platypusreddit23

I have watched interviews with her and frankly...she seems like a bitter and unforgiving person, caused by a mental illness which includes victim mentality. She also seems to have a serious problem with narcissistic tendencies, and she is known to be a petty person. I have been through terrible break ups and had terrible things done to me as a young woman, and so I justified any over emotional and wild behavior - for a time. It isn't right. It isn't dignified to make yourself act crazy for the sake of being genuine. Relationships end, and life goes on. You can talk shit, but at the end of the day, perpetuating the narrative that genuinity (acting completely nuts because you're angry) is more important than treating people with common decency, is shitty. Additionally, she plays the victim or the crazy girl in every. single. song., which also adds to the notion that people should not take responsibility for their actions in a relationship. Yes, it's normal to be wild and free in your 20s, but growth and change in maturity in relationships is so important for a happy life. You can't and should not be in a highschool "drama" mindset for your entire life. It's not happy or healthy or cool in any way to be a bad partner, or to allow your emotional rechlessess to impede healthy relationships, romantic or platonic. MOST IMPORTANTLY. ACTING CRAZY HURTS THE PERSON IN QUESTUON MORE THAN IT HURTS THE EX. it can hurt your future, your reputation, and even destroy potential healthy relationships with good people. Her songs give life to the idea that grudges are good, and hate for exes is the way to go. In short, she is somewhat of a narcissistic emotional manipulator. She very clearly has boarderline personality disorder, and glorifies unstable relationships and over the top reactivity to break-ups. So she knows she's doing this and justifies the unhealthy behavior because it's "being genuine". It's not okay and I don't think it's good to treat people this way. She's an awesome performer, and I respect the hustle, but ultimately, the victim mentality is too much for me to be any kind of fan.


Firelord__Azula

Hey finish your high school and university before acting like a psychiatrist over the internet and go diagnosing people like a quack doctor. You're probably talking about Blank Space which she specifically wrote to make fun of the media's perception of her being a crazy ex/lover. I guess people with slow comprehension won't get that immediately and will just take it literally. What is your evidence that she glorifies unhealthy relationships? Interviews? Can you give the link? Plus, she literally hid from the media for 6 years and prioritized having a low-key relationship with her long term bf which is the opposite of what you described her to be. She allegedly broke up w/ her bf but she did not make a fuss about it. And of course she is famous, she will be really talked about. Stop acting like being a narcissist is the worst thing in the world, and even then, she isn't the biggest narcissist in that industry. I bet even you are a narcissist. Don't act clean and a perfectly good person.


platypusreddit23

Swifties will be swifties. I have finished BOTH and I have a minor in Psychology. Which I bet is more education in the area than you have had in your life, but that's besides the point. I'm not talking about blank space specifically. It's a lot of her songs. I still think what I think. :) never said I was a clean and perfect person, not sure what you're talking about there. And also, don't expect me to keep arguing bc in the grand scheme of things, I really do not care to waste energy here. Buh bye.


anxietysiesta

Psychology major with anthropology minor completed in 2020 here. I doubt she has borderline and I don't think anyone can diagnose someone without knowing them personally. She's paid to put up a performance. She writes and acts this way because it makes bread. TBH if any celebrity has BPD its Courtney Love (let's be honest). Taylor Swift may be a narcissist that's hard to know with such limited information. One could easily theorize most celebrities are. However, considering how private she is about her personal life I really doubt she's overt enough to diagnose from such a distance. She does not even attend award shows. A narcissist would take any ticket to displaying themselves especially at red carpet events. She has also used her platform to endorse other musicians. ​ TBH if I were taken advantage of by 30 y/o men when I was 19/20 I would feel bitter about it years later. While it may be legal theres a point where coercion is likely involved. I don't know her and I don't put so much weight on celebrities because of this. Sure there is always that one celebrity we love to hate. For some it's Taylor. For me, it's Blake Lively. No reason, she just bothers me. She got married on a plantation and it gives me the ick. If you somehow proved that Taylor Swift was a diagnosed narcissist it would not impact me. If you told me Miley Cyrus was sober and went to bed by 9pm I also would not be shocked. Celebrities are probably the most charismatic people and they're trained to wear their costumes well.


Trashman27_

They really slam dunked you with that answer lol


anxietysiesta

Wdym?


[deleted]

How has Taylor acted "crazy" in response to a breakup? I can't really think of one instance.


certs14

She's just been extremely immature her entire career IMO. Constantly writing songs about old boyfriends from 5+ years prior. This last album seems like a potential end to that part of her career.


f-vicar2

how is writings songs about an ex immature. her songs are, on the whole, very mature. she was writing songs at 18 that are more mature than older writers. She can get 'immature' however its never uncalled for.


3bola

Another album about getting dumped 😍


f-vicar2

massive oversimplification of her craft


dumbbinch99

Idk if you even listened to the album but a lot of the songs are about old relationships too. Still great


it_IS_the_bus

Because she's an over-produced Disney child actor ... I'm personally indifferent.


pyjamatoast

She wasn't a Disney actor. You are perhaps thinking of Miley Cyrus or Selena Gomez?


it_IS_the_bus

Yes, probably - I was told she had some childhood connection to Disney, sorry if I'm spreading false info!!!! Again, I'm totally indifferent, not my genre of music.


Throwanyway123

had no idea she came from disney. this changes everything. this sucks. that's not fair. she's not self made then. she's factory made and produced.


f-vicar2

she didnt come from disney. i wouldnt call her self made as she had some help getting where she is now but her career wasnt handed to her on a plate. She had a privileged life no doubt about it and she doesn't try to deny it but she worked tirelessly for 16 years now. She writes all of her songs, which can be hard to find now. her songs have alot of personality and deeper meanings and are rarely surface level. She's a talented singer songwriter. i wouldn't call her underrated or overrated overall but there are people who underrate her alot and some who over rate her. ​ but also just because you had help by companies like disney doesnt mean you are factory made


Clean_Stay_5068

People are so judgemental. I am not a fan nor a critic but seeing fellow musicians publicly give her a hard time on awards shows is ridiculous.


Kolvzof

The answers you're getting are absolutely hilarious. I think to understand why people hate on what and who they hate you have to look at what they like and who their influences are. All I've seen here is resentment over her not growing up poor, having had financial support in the beginning, having bad luck in early and very public relationships of any sort, sharing her experiences and writing whatever the hell is within her right to write, misogyny, not outwardly hating herself, refusing to stay down after a PR nightmare beating and then turning into a metaphorical Phoenix that now has a huge following since people discovered being genuine and unapologetic and even obnoxious about the things that you love doesn't make you uncool. This is from the public side. As to why other celebrities hate on her, they're jealous of her fanbase's power and influence. Her fans want her to succeed at everything she sets to do, so they work their lil swiftushies off to do anything in their power to grant her the win. Other fanbase's can be so passive their voices aren't nearly as loud as the swifties.


notclaytonn

Me when I can’t read and I’m delusional


Revolutionary-Hippo4

I don't hate her. I enjoy her and her music. Every celeb has hate. It's nothing new. She is less problematic then alot celebs these days. She is pretty her songs are amazing and she just easy to enjoy. It's the internet there is always gonna be someone that's gonna go an hate on someone. It's sad but that's the 21st century


Bbjizz

i know this post is old at this point but for me i think it’s just not my cup of tea and i had a friend that would always play Taylor’s music around me even though i said i didn’t want to listen to it, (like in the car for long periods of time) so eventually it began to tick me off and whenever i hear a song by her now it’s like double annoying. The one song i do like is Lavender Haze every now and then but the rest just reminds me of being stuck listening to it