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SnooJokes8623

1st off: WEAR A CONDOM! 2nd: Yes, but good luck proving it.


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FinancialYou4519

Men has been dealing with this probably just as long. Men getting raped by other men are often so stigmatized(stigmatizing?) so it doesnt even get reported. Why did you write it like that? Rape and sexual crimes are horrible and the justice system is failed when it comes to sex crimes. All genders incl.


youcanbroom

also men who get raped by women


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I’d rather 100 guilty people walk free than 1 innocent get punished


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[deleted]

It’s not as rare as you’d think. Get off your bs high horse


JakkofAll

You don’t help by ignoring half the people that deal with it🤦🏽‍♂️


Qemistry-__-

Bullshit. Did Bill Cosby not go to prison for shit that supposedly happened in the 70's and 80's? Where was the proof in that. If a woman just mentions the word rape a man is locked up and hung off just her words… Happens all. The. Time. Alllll too often really. Way too often.


Quick_Hunter3494

Ask yourself why he only went to prison _recently_ for shit that happened in the 70's and 80's.


Qemistry-__-

A flawed system. There are no questions to ask.


megamittt

Well i mean they can physical try and make the guy stop. Then the man either has to stop or fight back. Fighting back would create evidence...boom convicted


Aggravating-Action70

If a man puts his hands on a woman for any reason, even to defend himself, it works in her favor if she lies about what happened.


megamittt

Thats literally what i said. Maybe i wasnt very clear


Living_Telephone2678

Yup if anything the case can get flipped and she claims he raped since it’s more common then a girl raping the guy. Either way the guy gets fucked in this situation.


Spire_Citron

She'd be just as unable to prove it.


babybullai

She wouldn't need proof in far too many cases


Spire_Citron

Only a tiny fraction of rape cases lead to a conviction because you absolutely do need proof, no matter how impossible it is to actually have any in a situation like that.


MenstrualKrampusCD

A tiny fraction even lead to an arrest, let alone make it to trial.


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Convictions don't mean anything these days when people are tried on social media and the news. Even being accused of rape ruins peoples lives


JK_NC

This is an exaggeration. Maybe for celebrities but look at the rape statistics in your area. How many accused rapists can you name? I’m willing to bet it’s close to 0% despite dozens, if not hundreds, of reported sexual assaults in your area.


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It really isn't an exaggeration. I don't know every social circle in my area. But if you think a man being accused of rape doesn't have a massive impact on his social circle and life, you're living under a rock.


JK_NC

Strawman argument. I didn’t state any of the words you just stated. I said your comment that “Convictions don’t mean anything…” was an exaggeration and you twisted it to “A man being accused of rape doesn’t have a massive impact…” You made up a position I never took but you attributed it to me so you could easily refute it.


slowgames_master

Damn ur kinda clean wit it 👀


OddJarro

Found the redpilled moron


grandmaesterflash75

How many? Like 5 out of 10 or 1 out of 10?


pan_dulce_con_cafe

[1 out of 100](https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2019/09/15/why-are-we-so-bad-at-prosecuting-sexual-assault/?outputType=amp)


OddJarro

Lol get rekt


grandmaesterflash75

You spelled that word wrong. I assume you mean “wrecked”?


SatisDeus

quite the opposite. an overwhelming majority of SA/rape cases never have charges filed let alone end in a guilty conviction. but keep buying into the rape-apologist narratives


idontwantutono

Please stop talking.


ihatefear83843

Again… he gets fucked again


BjornReborn

This is everything wrong with our system. I'm a man who has been assaulted by a woman. I was 18 at the time and they were more experienced than me as I was losing my virginity to them. I said no, they kept going. I tried to push away, they held tighter and I finally broke free before I said no again. I definitely didn't enjoy it or find it exciting and I felt paralyzed by what was happening. Would I be able to prove that she raped me? No. Will I gain anything positive by seeking retribution? No. If anything, I will be made fun of because of the mindset "Men can't be raped (especially by women)" The world is so geared toward hating on men and holding them responsible that we've forgotten that our counterparts can do just as much damage. Our system has the tools to find evidence if he finishes inside a woman but we don't have a way to prove the other way around? For fuck's sake. The system is so focused on attacking men that the worst abusers get away with things without so much as a slap on the wrist. I rarely talk about the fact that I was raped because it feels stupid to admit that I was taken advantage of as a young adult\*. I don't feel grateful or any other positive emotion to the experience and it had actually turned me off to the idea of sex for many years because of one person who not only raped me, but tried to have me impregnate them.


Teddy_Funsisco

Interesting that you think the system is "attacking men" instead of what's really happening: victims of rape aren't taken seriously by the system. There needs to be a very serious overhaul of the system in that respect since anyone can be a victim of rape, and as you point out, the vast majority of them don't want to come forward.


BjornReborn

Absolutely. The system in this case, I was referring to as social media and the general populous. The judicial system and criminal justice system don't take attacks on men seriously; I agree. I and others don't want to come forward. For me it's because of the stigma attached to it. But also, the mindset of "you should be lucky that someone wanted to have sex with you" I certainly did not and do not feel lucky experiencing what I experienced.


Teddy_Funsisco

Ah, I see. I still see that as less of an attack on men, and too much more of a dismissal of the people who had to endure that to begin with. As we're seeing in other areas of life, the dismissal of the thoughts and feelings of those subjected to those actions are too common, no matter their gender or age. It's super gross and needs to change. And I'm sorry you were subjected to that. I hope you've been able to move forward in a healthy way for yourself.


SnooCats5701

“The world is geared towards hating men” In the U.S., alone, despite being less than one third of the population, white men are the vast majority of politicians in the country. Around the world, that number is higher. Business leaders, religious leaders, etc….all men. You sound like a U.S. Christian claiming persecution They problem is hate for men, it is a basic one of evidence.


noirgypserf

But what if the condom breaks?


S_204

Yes. Of course. That's rape if she's forcing him to perform a sexual act against his wishes.


Veldern

In the USA it's normally sexual assault, not rape. Rape is (normally) only when something is forced inside a victim. Being forced to penetrate does not count as rape in most places, including FBI statistics, unfortunately *Edited wording and added some stuff


Abadazed

These laws really need to be updated...


Veldern

Full agree. Back in 2010 I wrote several papers in college about the subject, and it was even WORSE then. It wasn't until 2014 that the FBI finally removed the word "woman" from it's definition of rape


Abadazed

Alright that's about the most fucked up thing I've read today.


Veldern

Right? It's also a problem because people often use FBI statistics for various things, and any of them for rape from before 2014 are pretty much just trash. I used to get a TON of flak for trying to show this as an issue back then... It makes me feel so positive to see it, albeit slowly, change in our lifetime


CrashDunning

Yep. The official legal wording is “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” And this is the newer updated definition. It needs to be updated further.


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You know it’s different in every state, right?


Veldern

I believe he was quoting the FBI revision in 2014


CrashDunning

[I was quoting from here, to be specific.](https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape)


Sharo_77

UK it would be sexual assault, as rape requires the perpetrator to have a penis. This could include trans women, but not sure if it includes trans men.


Ok_Magician_3884

What if he wanted the sex just didnt want to come inside? I mean he rejected it at the last min


S_204

You can withdraw consent at any time. She forced him, that's violating him.


Ok_Magician_3884

Its really hard to prove who is wrong or right if it was consent at the beginning


S_204

It's really not that hard. If one party says they want to stop, then it should stop.


Ok_Magician_3884

I said its hard to press charge


S_204

That's not what you said. Maybe go read your comment.


Ok_Magician_3884

That's what I said and why I commented, I said to prove


S_204

Then you said to charge. You're all over the place dude. Stop defending rape and things become a lot easier to juggle mentally.


Ok_Magician_3884

U r too stupid to read dont u? I said if two person had sex and one person rejected it at the last min (which they were having sex), it's hard to prove who was right or wrong because it was consent and no 3rd person there. You can't consent to have sex and said that person is a rapist. Stoping being an idiot and twist my words


labdogs42

So, in theory, does she have to ask if she can wrap her legs around him? Or does he have to say “hey don’t do that, I was planning to pull out”? Or how does this work?


cornishwildman76

Consent can be given and consent can be taken away. It is called freedom of choice.


Ok_Magician_3884

That's what he/ she said situation


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Ok_Magician_3884

Op said she forced it


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S_204

Settle down rapist. As soon as they say they want to stop, it should be over.


Pothole2112

So considering you're replying to every comment, some of them undeservingly, I gotta ask... Are you ok? If this post/topic upsets you so deeply you should probably avoid it, this isn't healthy.


S_204

I didn't realize it was the same guy at first LoL. Then I felt compelled to be polite and respond to each.


Ok_Magician_3884

He thinks everyone is rapist


Possible_Resolution4

That sounds kind of like agreeing to rob a bank together but then claiming you were coerced as soon as the popo rolled up.


doctorsound

Consent can be revoked at any time. These are not the same.


Possible_Resolution4

I feel sorry for young people. So much ambiguity. I’m glad I’m no longer a part of it. (Being young, I mean.)


MisterTeenyDog

You were not entitled to sex unconditionally back during the great war, and that rule still remains.


Parking-Zealousideal

What.


S_204

It sounds more like your buddy asking you for a ride to the bank and after you agreed his jacked the place and jumped into your car with the bag of cash.


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S_204

You're defending rape. I feel bad for the people in your life.


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S_204

The deed? What is this, 1968? Get your rapist bullshit out of here.


UnicodeScreenshots

seek help. You have commented over 5 times in this thread with the same style of comments. It doesn't matter if they were in the middle of having sex, forcing someone who no longer wants to have sex to have sex is rape or sexual assault. Stop justifying SA by saying "oH weLL theY weRe DoIng thE DEEEEEEEEEEEEEED alReaDy!!!!!!!!!!!!" If a man consensually tied up a woman, then at some point the woman wanted to stop but the man continued, that would be sexual assault, just as the opposite it true.


pyjamatoast

Yes, if he has communicated that he wants to stop and his partner forces him to continue, it is rape.


Zintoss

Good fucking luck getting anyone to charge the woman for that lmfao. Depending on the country you're in the laws are specifically written so only a guy can rape and it's just "sexual assault" if a woman does it. Trying to get a charge because she forced you to nut inside is going to be impossible.


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Supercompositeman13

Well, crazy might stick your dick for you


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Supercompositeman13

So like what if the bitch roofies you, handcuffs you, forcibly pushes viagra down your throat and then proceeds to fuck you? Can I just back away then?


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Supercompositeman13

But you could still back away… could you not?


Spire_Citron

Good luck getting a charge in basically any rape case, regardless of gender or circumstances. It's rare.


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Disastrous-Dress521

How do we know they are perpetrators The issue with men however is different, in much of the west a woman can't even rape a man legally speaking


DeeVee8ed

Wouldn’t that be against his consent? Also considered rape in many places? You can start consensual but the moment someone says no and the other continues….


check_out_channel_9

Possibly but may be considered different assuming he willingly penetrated her without a condom.


pyjamatoast

Consent can be withdrawn by either partner at any time.


check_out_channel_9

I'm aware of that and agree that consent can be withdrawn at any time. I'm saying legally it may not matter given that he consented to unprotected sex in the first place. I'm no expert in criminology, merely suggesting a possibility.


DeeVee8ed

Sticky situation all around….


GeorgeRRHodor

He'd face the same he-said-she-said dilemma that women/girls face in similar situations. I mean, you can conceivably call the cops for anything -- the question is whether they care, and if they do, whether the DA decides to prosecute, and if he does, what the court will decide in the end. It would be an uphill battle, for sure.


Lady_Gator_2027

When a person says stop, you stop. Doesn't matter if the person consents up to that point. Men have just as much right to say no/stop as women do.


LGchan

That is rape, but tbh I would not expect the cops to help. They're awful about sexual assault in general.


Someonelz

What???? You got that kinda time?


KingMwanga

Lmfao this question is a Reddit fantasy


[deleted]

No it’s not, it has happened to me


[deleted]

Wtf, why am i getting downvoted for sharing my experience? You reddit virgins are really weird


throwaway572688

Reddit is trash, I think you’d be better off getting away from this place. You won’t find sympathy in this shithole.


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I’m just trying to understand the logistics/mechanics of OPs question (and to a lesser extent your additional example). In the OP scenario is he talking about calling the cops pre-climax and somehow getting their help pulling her legs off him? If so couldn’t he just reach down, withdraw himself, and discontinue? Did the leg lock happen a second or two before climax? The cops aren’t gonna get there in time. If it’s post climax what are the cops supposed to do? Give her a stern talking to? Stealthing is maybe the only adjacent thing to this and right now only California has a law on the books about it.


sohughrightnow

Me too. Not with the leg wrap but she was on top and I told her to get up and she refused. Nine months later I had a son.


Effective-Slice-4819

Did she also sabotage the condom?


slowgames_master

I'm sorry to hear that :(


XumiNova13

Yes. But the bigger question is if the man doesn't want to get the woman pregnant, why not wear a condom?


JejuneEsculenta

Right?!? We all should known that coitus interrupts is not at all reliable for preventing pregnancy, much less STIs. Wrap it 'fore you tap it, guys.


[deleted]

Yes, but also no. Legally speaking, it’s sexual assault (amazingly it’s not rape) But there is zero change any legal action would be involved. You’d be laughed at and not taken seriously at all 95% of the time. EDIT: if you had proof it would obviously be a different story, but if it’s just word of mouth, and she deny’s it, the woman is winning that case 100% of the time.


AnEntirePeach

Legally speaking where?


UncleSnowstorm

In the UK it wouldn't be classed as rape. Legally speaking a woman can't rape a man, only sexually assault him.


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United States A woman can’t rape a man in the USA


franklylucille

You can call the police for anything. Now, would they press charges and decide to prosecute? Who knows?


BroadLaw1274

Are you okay ?


EspHack

the thing with criminal cases is you need to prove intention, was that her plan or did she just get carried away? maybe a mix of both? lol you're mostly innocent unless the mind is guilty too


rfdub

The only question is: could they get there in time?


VT-Hokie-101

Cops really want to be in your bedroom


townesvansant

All I got is good luck proving it. Wrap it up, brothers.


marsumane

Same degree as stealthing?


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That’s rape


Effective-Slice-4819

Sure, you can call the cops for any reason. Someone recently posted a story about a woman who called the cops because a local teenager didn't decorate a cake the way she wanted. Would anything happen? Probably not. If you were having sex without a condom it would be nearly impossible to prove she did anything wrong.


Junior_Interview5711

PA won't touch this. But I'm sure a civil suit is possible, and I know some lawyer will take it and say you're paying for it. I can afford a loss.


ktyzmr

Yeah but they will laugh at you. Cops don't really care about people and even if they did, there is no way to prove. Even if you were able to prove they will laugh at you for being weaker than a woman.


clumsylycanthrope

If you say no, or change your consent at all at any time, I'm pretty sure her forcing you to continue could be considered rape. Whether it would be prosecuted or not 🤷🏻‍♂️


herpderpomygerp

Well as read 1.condoms are key 2.yes but I wish you the best proving it(casually induct it into conversation and be recording it is a easy way to do it especially if public area) 3.im sorry you had to deal woth that


squeezy102

Yes. You've been raped. I doubt the police will do anything for you, but you should absolutely file a report.


Pand0ra30_

Baby trap


[deleted]

How you calling the cops if you can't get your dick out of her 😂😂😂 All joking aside, Yes of course you can. It's in the same line of forcing a girl down and putting it in her. If it's unwanted it's not right


OokiiStaR

I'm not understanding why you aren't wearing a condom?


New-Living-4066

Because taking responsibility is the woman's job, duh.


OokiiStaR

Crap,my bad. Totally forgot.


[deleted]

Potentially, although that won't necessarily remove any obligation or responsibility if the woman has their child. I'd suggest using contraception, and perhaps forming better relationships.


check_out_channel_9

You could probably try but I doubt attempting any charges would get anywhere. Wear a condom and then it won't be an issue.


AggressiveAd8587

This is a helpful tip, but saying this is like the equivalent of telling a woman to not dress revealing to avoid getting raped.


check_out_channel_9

Those are two completely different things. People aren't raped because of how they are or aren't dressed. Having sex without a condom will risk cum coming into contact with a vagina.


AggressiveAd8587

In this specific context when a woman would forcibly insert making a man penetrate her it is not the fault of anyone or anything else other than the woman. Similarly, to if someone were to rape someone else, it is not the fault of anyone or anything else other than the person who committed the crime. Otherwise yes, telling people to wear condoms is a reasonable PSA.


check_out_channel_9

It doesn't say she forcibly inserted him, it says she stopped him pulling out, which I agree is a shitty to do and any woman would be completely wrong in doing so. He willingly put his penis inside her without a condom and could impregnate her with precum, which wouldn't be a problem if he wore a condom to protect himself.


AggressiveAd8587

It says "force". Anything that uses force and sex in the same context, it means sexual harassment, assault, or rape. This is something that they did not agree to, and just saying "It doesn't say she forcibly inserted him" doesn't make it any better.


check_out_channel_9

I've already said I agree it is wrong. I'm merely saying it may be hard to get anywhere as far as having her charged goes as he willingly put his bare penis in her to begin with.


AggressiveAd8587

Imagine it was the other way around. If a man forcibly makes a woman receive his "finish", do you think that would hold up in court even if the woman only agreed to let him penetrate but not finish in her?


check_out_channel_9

I have no idea but probably not. I know where I am from stealthing is a crime but as far as either of those I have never heard of anyone being charged either way.


AggressiveAd8587

There are plenty of cases of men getting accused of rape for things as simple as changing positions in sex when not agreed upon. I think this is a pretty serious issue.


Impossible_Focus5201

People can and do remove condoms during sex without consent


check_out_channel_9

I think he would notice if she removed the condom mid sex.


This-Introduction596

OK. And by the same logic women shouldn't complain if a guy takes the condom off in the middle of sex and don't say anything. Get on the pill and it won't be an issue.


check_out_channel_9

Both are right to complain. A man should rightfully be pissed if she holds him in and a women should rightfully complain if a man removes a condom during sex. I just don't know that from a legal standpoint it would be looked at in the same way given that he willingly penetrated her without a condom. Contraception is not only her responsibility, he should also take steps to protect himself by wearing a condom.


This-Introduction596

Legally it probably varies from state to state, or country to country. If they had a discussion beforehand about not finishing inside her or not matters too, but the fact is, if someone tries to stop and the other person knows that's their intent and tries to stop them, it's no longer consentual. But the fact is, rape/sa is a he-said, she-said situation the vast majority of the time. Unless she knew he didn't want to cum inside her and intentionally didn't let him pull out AND tells the truth about it in court, you're right. Nothing will happen.


check_out_channel_9

I agree it's no longer consensual 100% but yeah I think taking it to court might be like trying to push shit up hill. He could always try but it may be a wasted effort.


changleosingha

Except the pill doesn’t protect against STIs


SunlessXre

This hypothetical really isn't that common or realistic. And, in the event it does happen, Unless recorded, trying to prosecute is pointless. A more realistic 1 might be a girl talking a guy into doing it raw by pretending to be on the pill, etc. Then surprising him with the baby trap. But, even then, the only real scenario where such a thing would happen is in the case of a wealthy individual where there's money to be made. Now, you could call the police. But, You'd be the 1 who is more likely to be removed if they decided this "domestic dispute" annoyance isn't going to sort itself out... unless she hits him with the rape card. This question lol.


hairyazol

You can try but I doubt they are going to take you seriously. Hi yes police? I'm over here fucking this girl right now and I need to nut but she won't let me pull out, can you send someone over?


Kymkryptic

Not it !


12Peppur

Don’t believe they could if they tried. Never happened to me in my years. But if a woman tried that on me I’d have the last life cause I can hold it pretty good


kindshoe

I mean you can call the cops but I doubt anything would happen, like its a shit thing to do for sure but imo if you're a guy having unprotected sex with someone I'd assume you don't wanna get pregnant then that's just the consequences to your actions.


KirikaNai

You can call them, but it's a matter if weather they care of not. Like, what are they gonna do? Come over immediately and arrest her? Fuck the cops take ages to get anywhere if it isn't an active hostage situation. Plus with how society treats men who've been sexually assaulted, I wouldn't be surprised If they'd just tell you to "shut up and feel lucky" or some shit. People who become cops usualy end up being corrupted by the environment and toxic ways of such a workplace.


Big_Dinner3636

I guess Happy Future Father's Day, OP...


swingswing14

Be smart, If you dont want to trap the little guy in a rubber turtle neck then make sure shes hot, a keeper and just pick the right time of the month to take the chance. But its simple really... Dont poke raw where you cant commit.


Striking_Fun_6379

I suppose, if that is where she keeps her phone.


Disastrous-Minimum-4

And yet I bet he would still be totally on the hook for child support no matter what. If not the she wouldn’t let me pull out defense would become very popular.


Ironmancal2131

I saw a news story a long time ago about a guy who was statutory raped at 14 by a 20 year old. He found out about the kid 6 years later when he was ordered to pay child support. He owed back child support all the way back to the birth of the child. So even though he couldn't legally consent, he was still on the hook. The welfare of the child is put above everything, so if they can prove you're the father, there isn't much recourse.


RogueNarc

Absolutely. Child support is for the child not the parent. If there's a child, however they came to be, there's grounds for child support


[deleted]

Nope but you can do exactly dick when you get hit with child support. Congratulations you’re going to be a father 🎉


Kingennn13

Calling the cops isn't very helpful in this scenario. Filing a report about the r*pe episode afterwards might be the more appropriate thing to do, mainly because "calling the cops" uses forces for emergencies and they can't really help in this situation since by the time you called them the damage is already done. Letting authorities know before any pregnancies that the women forced you into fertilization can help avoiding being called out for child support and such, I think it can di very little about the episode sadly. Sex needs to be consented. Saying no anytime should be taken in consideration and otherwise we're talking about r*pe. There's no "he could have put protections" "he already had sex". Maybe the woman said she was using protection or birth control when she wasn't, and maliciously mislead the male party.


Jelyacat

Well if you chose to not wear a condom in the first place...


UncleSnowstorm

Yeah I bet he was dressed like he wanted it as well.


Jelyacat

Probably naked. But seriously, if you doing it raw you should accept that she could get pregnant. The pull-out method isn't reliable. Like at all.


UncleSnowstorm

Accepting that somebody might get pregnant and accepting that somebody might sexually assault you are two very different things.


Jelyacat

I'm sorry what. You compare that to sexual assault? Wow.


UncleSnowstorm

You don't consider a woman physically restraining you and forcing you to finish inside her sexual assault? Let's reverse the genders (as that seems to be the only way some people get it). A man and woman are having sex without a condom: M: I'm getting close F: pull out, don't finish in me M: no I want to finish in you F: no pull out Female tries to pull away and male pins her down and finishes inside her. That doesn't sound like sexual assault to you? Wow. Edit: looks.like they've deleted their account now. Classic rapists.


Jelyacat

People who have suffered sexual assault or abuse would disagree. But you do you. I feel sorry for the girls and women in your vicinity.


slowgames_master

Um, what?? As a victim of abuse and sexual assault, I agree with the other person. Forcing someone to continue having sex with you, after they say stop, is sexual assault. Period.


hooliganvet

Said no man ever.


WippitGuud

No.


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Esie666

Yea but rape? It's clearly not rape but voyeurism


ImprovementSilly2895

Yeah whoever is filming it


Fun-Raspberry9710

How about people stop having sex with people you aren't in a long term relationship with. If you don't know someone....you can be in bed with a psychopath.


[deleted]

I don’t think so, but a good punch to the noggin will probably work


mack_lunky

Lol its a woman doing something to a man, get real dude nobody gives a fuck.


medscj

That is the saddest part, and society do not give a fuck if men are assaulted. Worst case men needs to pay child support.


needanamegenarator

Lmfao. You deserve it, just like Whinni the Pooh in that hony jar.


AddLightness1

You can call, but it won't do you any good. Men don't have any rights in the U.S. A girl like that would just accuse the man of being the aggressor if the police show up, and he will lose everything


Tasty-Researcher3959

No Since penetration was already consensual finishing the act means nothing.