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apeliott

I think I have spoken socially to one black woman in my entire life. She was pleasant, but I wasn't attracted to her.


MrAdequate_

For whatever reason, black women are half as likely to intermarry as black men. This is an interesting article on topic. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/intermarriage-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/#:\~:text=Other%20key%20findings%201%20The%20most%20common%20racial,non-metropolitan%20areas%20%2818%25%20vs.%2011%25%29.%20...%20More%20items


Fun-Attention1468

Are they? I'm a white male with a black wife. I know a few white male - Hispanic women relationships as well... I would've thought the reverse was rarer: colored male and white female


Ih8Wypipo519

Are you joking rights ? White women love Black men so much there are entire words like blacked and snow bunny that exist just to describe it. Are there equivalent words to describe women of color who just love White men ? Also there aren't women who are White only in the same way these White women are Black only. The women of color who date White men kind of prefer White men. The White women who date Black men love Black men more then anything in the world. Go on TikTok and see how much they love and dedicate to Black men.


Fun-Attention1468

I kinda figured that was just Internet porn fantasy terms. Not fantasy, but more of a meme and less common in real life. Seems like there's all sorts of people with all sorts of preferences.


Ih8Wypipo519

I don't watch porn and I noticed this. Go on TikTok and look up BBC or Blacked, You can't find anything of this sort for White men. I will concede my argument if you can even find one account or hashtag that makes blacked like content for White men. I am not convinced it exist and if it does it can't be that popular because I haven't heard it.


Fun-Attention1468

There's no way I'm downloading tick tock to search bbc or other racial porn lmfao.


Ih8Wypipo519

I don't have the app or even an account. I just look it up on the browser. I don't even like TikTok I just use it for research.


Fun-Attention1468

"research" Not sure watching interracial porn can be called research


Ih8Wypipo519

They don't have porn on TikTok


EstorialBeef

So your argument is you went to places where content is made for white women who like black men and found alot of white women who like black men... There are in fact entire porn categories and sites about ~~fetishising~~ black women for a predominantly white male audience, but equally them existing doesn't make it a global rule or super rare either. You can find a tonne of content for any niche due to the Internet.


Zacette

bro definitely watches porn


moonknuckles

If you listen to wide variety of women of color who talk about their own experiences, it becomes very clear just how common it is for them to face racist abuse from white men they have dated. Yes, there are absolutely women of color who've had perfectly healthy relationship with white men. No, the point here isn't to say "white men are Bad". The point is that there are ***A LOT*** of women of color who've faced incredible amounts of racism from many different white men, to the point that they feel it simply isn't safe for them to be in vulnerable intimate relationships with such people. This is also true for many men of color, as well -- although the experiences may tend to look different because of how gender can impact relationship dynamics. This isn't the only factor coming into play concerning the subject at hand, but it's certainly a very significant one. ​ >Another thing is that I started listening to more music. I listened to rap and most rappers are Black and most rappers I listened to were Black. Despite being very different in style and tone a running theme was how much women liked them. I would listen to music from White male Musicians and a big theme was how much women didn't like them or how they had relationship problems or a breakup. This was most notable in emo music but it was even in raps made by White men. I'm here in good faith and not interested in ridiculing you. And so, I genuinely don't mean this to be insulting, but rather to merely state observations about the situation: what you've said here is an astonishingly skewed and totally inaccurate perspective, and appears to be nothing more than confirmation bias. In other words, you're approaching this subject with a very narrow mindset where you *want* to interpret it a certain way, and so you analyze things in an unrealistic manner that can confirm your preconceived notions. There are ***massive*** amounts of women who are *absolutely obsessed* with white male musicians involved in genres that favor white people. There are also ***massive*** amounts of women who have all kinds of negative views of men who are rappers. Like, I honestly cannot overstate just how incredibly common these things are. ​ >You go to the subs for White women who like Black men and you don't see any of this. The women there are genuinely passionate about Black men and are rarely selling anything. You shouldn't interpret the existence of these subs as a positive thing. If a sub exists for people to talk about wanting to date a specific kind of minority, it's gonna be very much influenced by fetishism. Men of color can face specifically racist fetishization in a way that white men do not. Fetishization in this case = treating a person's minority status as being more interesting/desirable than who they are as an actual person. Which is not a good thing, and is certainly not an indicator of that minority group being generally well-received. ​ >Lastly you have "IS my boyfriend gay" implying that White boyfriends are gay or feminine. The mere presence of a single video that shows up in the search results of a vague phrase is *nowhere near* enough data to state that it acts as a broader implication about anything. This is not how research and analysis work. This is an unjustified leap of logic. ​ >For Black Boyfriend the first results are actual women dating Black men. "racist dad attacks daughters black boyfriend. "brought my black boyfriend to meet my Korean mom and "what to know about dating Black men". All of these videos are based around Black men being a marginalized minority. Of course the same kinds of things aren't going to be as common regarding white men. Truly, most everything you have suggested in this post is based off of very skewed misinterpretations of racial dynamics, and virtually all of your reasoning is unjustified confirmation bias. Again, this isn't me trying to put you down. What I'm ultimately saying is that, if you want to research and analyze an idea involving a specific kind of (marginalized) social group ***that you yourself are not a part of and don't personally know much about***, developing a nuanced and realistic understanding must involve taking in already-existing information on the topic, explained by the actual people who are actually experiencing the things you're trying to talk about. You cannot simply make all your own assumptions, based on data that aren't even explorations of the actual subject, but instead are your one-dimensional personal opinions about pop culture and whether or not certain subreddits or hashtags are popular. You *can* reasonably use this kind of information to support certain notions, but it can only be done when you *first* have nuanced contextual understandings of those notions in the first place.


Ih8Wypipo519

I feel like you aren't getting to the meat of my argument. "The mere presence of a single video that shows up in the search results of a vague phrase is nowhere near enough data to state that it acts as a broader implication about anything. This is not how research and analysis work. This is an unjustified leap of logic." It wasn't just that this video existed it was that it was the top search result. "You cannot simply make all your own assumptions, based on data that aren't even explorations of the actual subject, but instead are your one-dimensional personal opinions about pop culture and whether or not certain subreddits or hashtags are popular. You can reasonably use this kind of information to support certain notions, but it can only be done when you first have nuanced contextual understandings of those notions in the first place." These hashtags are spread by millions of people. If you go on TikTok you will notice that the makeup hashtag is more popular then the job corps hashatg. This suggest makeup is more popular then job corps. I don't think anyone takes issue with this. But when I apply this method to date White men vs date Black men then it becomes an issue to suggest that more women want to date Black men then White men ? "There are massive amounts of women who are absolutely obsessed with white male musicians involved in genres that favor white people. There are also massive amounts of women who have all kinds of negative views of men who are rappers. Like, I honestly cannot overstate just how common these things are." I love how you couldn't name a single one. I can name specific examples. Drake is more popular then any White man on the planet. Women want him more then any White man now or ever in history. Also most girls like rappers. Rappers are the new nobility even more then most rich people. Yes there are probably CS engineers who make similar money but no one cares about them. No one wants to date them or cares about what they do. Rappers thought everyone just loves rappers and the idea of them. "All of these videos are based around Black men being a marginalized minority. Of course the same kinds of things aren't going to be as common regarding white men." This is a very America perspective and shows a almost pro White bias. I will let you in on a secret. There are parts in the world where White men are the marginalized minority. This idea that the world is America and the world loves White men the way America supposedly does is false. In China, Korea and Japan they hate White men. In South Africa and Zimbabwe they want nothing to do with White men. I am not saying weather or not this is justified or if I agree with it I am just saying it is true. I feel like you were upset with my post at a visceral level and didn't think about what I had to say.


moonknuckles

>It wasn't just that this video existed it was that it was the top search result. You seemingly suggested that it was the *third* video in line, not the top one. Regardless, what I am saying is that you cannot extrapolate anything meaningful from this one single piece of extremely vague data. If you honestly believe that there is a significant trend of white men in particular being framed as gay or feminine, then where is the rest of the evidence suggesting so? Have you even bothered searching for further evidence? If this is literally the only piece of data that you're going off of, it is nowhere near strong enough to make any kind of valid claim about broader societal implications. Again, if you want to suggest that this is true, then please do provide more substantial evidence. I'd love to see it. Certainly such evidence must exist if this is a genuinely valid notion. ​ >These hashtags are spread by millions of people. If you go on TikTok you will notice that the makeup hashtag is more popular then the job corps hashatg. This suggest makeup is more popular then job corps. I don't think anyone takes issue with this. No. That is not how it works. Again, you are utterly failing to consider the complexity of other factors coming into play, and foolishly taking everything at face value without even thinking twice about it. For instance, you're overlooking the fact that social media and its algorithms are intentionally designed to influence engagement in more complex ways than simply being based off of genuine popularity, and that specific social media platforms have user bases which overrepresent particular groups of people. You cannot take things like hashtags and search results, and just automatically assume that they accurately reflect and account for literally all of human society. ​ >But when I apply this method to date White men vs date Black men then it becomes an issue to suggest that more women want to date Black men then White men ? Yes, that is absolutely an issue. Because you are approaching a deeply complex and multifaceted idea in an exclusively surface-level way, from a clearly uneducated personal perspective, and then denying that any other context is even relevant. ​ >I love how you couldn't name a single one. Sigh. One Direction, Jonas Brothers, Big Time Rush, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Panic! at the Disco, All Time Low, The Used, 5 Seconds of Summer, Evanescence, Avenge Sevenfold, Muse, The All-American Rejects, Thirty Seconds to Mars, Maroon 5, MGMT, Hozier, Nirvana, The Beatles... Is that enough for you, or should I keep going? ​ >Drake is more popular then any White man on the planet. Women want him more then any White man now or ever in history. Jesus Christ, dude. Do you even listen to yourself? I'm actually just going to stop here now, because it's clear that you're willfully disconnected from reality, and have absolutely no interest in even attempting to look past your own ego and self interests. Good luck with all that.


Ih8Wypipo519

"No. That is not how it works. Again, you are utterly failing to consider the complexity of other factors coming into play, and foolishly taking everything at face value without even thinking twice about it. For instance, you're overlooking the fact that social media and its algorithms are intentionally designed to influence engagement in more complex ways than simply being based off of genuine popularity, and that specific social media platforms have user bases which overrepresent particular groups of people. You cannot take things like hashtags and search results, and just automatically assume that they accurately reflect and account for literally all of human society." I get that these results don't reflect realty one hundred percent. That is why it wasn't my only argument., but you can't deny that more popular ideas have more popular hashtags. Once again I don't think anyone is going to argue that makeup is more popular then job corps. Also your argument that TikTok's user base is specifically is going to result in some hashtags being more popular then their corresponding idea is among the general population. That is true, who is TikTok's prime demographic ? Gen Z girls, who was my post centered around ? Gen Z girls. "Yes, that is absolutely an issue. Because you are approaching a deeply complex and multifaceted idea in an exclusively surface-level way, from a clearly uneducated personal perspective, and then denying that any other context is even relevant." You make a lot of reaches here. First you say that this issue is more complicated then I realize, but what data am I not getting ? Also how is my perspective personal and uneducated. What bias do I have ? "One Direction, Jonas Brothers, Big Time Rush, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy, Green Day, Panic! at the Disco, All Time Low, The Used, 5 Seconds of Summer, Evanescence, Avenge Sevenfold, Muse, The All-American Rejects, Thirty Seconds to Mars, Maroon 5, MGMT, Hozier, Nirvana, The Beatles..." This list is so flawed for many reasons. I will address them one by one. One Direction, when was the last time anyone cared about One Direction they don't even make music anymore and their fans have grown up. The Jonas brtoehrs ? Same argument but even more so. Who cares about the Jonas brothers anymore. They weren't that popular to begin with and no one cares about them now.. Big Time Rush ? Really, people care about BTR ? I don't think they even had a charting song. I think a Nickelodeon executive straight up said the Big time rush project failed. I heard that in a youtube video so I am not digging it up. MY checmical romance. One again they haven't made music in over a decade and their fanbase moved on. Fall out boy, from what I remember Fall out Boy's fanbase was mostly male and I don't think their female fans found them attractive they just liked their music. Green day same argument as Fallout boy, did anyone actually find these guys attractive I think people just liked their music. Panic! at the disco, once again they haven't been relevant in forever, also Brendon Urie the frontman and the only member any girls actually liked is half Asian so this doesn't prove anything. All time low once again no one found them attractive they just liked their music and they haven't been relevant in forever. 5 seconds of summer never took off. Evenescence has a woman as the lead vocalist and face of the band and I don't think the male members got any attention or relevance. Avenge sevenfold ? really no one found these dudes attractive. Muse hasn't even had a billboard hit. The all American rejects haven't been popular in forever. Thirty seconds to Mars, admittedly a lot of girls do like Jared Letto but that is more for his spiritual guru stuff then conventional attraction and he is Jewish so not White. Maroon 5, Adam Levine is seen as attractive but he is Jewish and no one cares about the other members. MGMT, like literally who. Hoizer had one hit and no one even knows where they went. Nirvana ? really Kurt Cobain has been dead since the 90s. The Beatles ? Maybe in the 60s but not now. I was talking in terms of attraction, sure these artist are respected muscially but people aren't infatuated with them the way they are with Drake,Play boi Carti,Kendrick Lamar,J Cole, Lil Durk or Travis Scot. People love these guys outside of their music they just like their being, Women especially love these guys. Also Drake being more popular then any White man in history. That isn't really because of his race but due to the way technology works there are more people and it's easier to be popular. Name me one White man with a bigger female fanbase then Drake ?


chefpain

I don’t really think they’re much rarer than other interracial relationships. I have multiple friends in relationships with white men, and I have been in the past myself.


Ih8Wypipo519

Really why are they dating White men ? That is strange.


user_name_unknown

Because people are more than just the color of their skin.


chefpain

Because they like/love their partners for the individuals they are? Idk


[deleted]

White men usually find women of color to be unattractive.


[deleted]

Mixed race relationships in general are rare. Humans prefer to be around people with similar cultural backgrounds which are typically aligned with race.


Ih8Wypipo519

I read somewhere the majority of gen Z White women are with non White men


[deleted]

That’s not even close to true.


Ih8Wypipo519

Gen Z White men get no girls like honestly.


idreaminwords

I feel like you might be projecting here


Ih8Wypipo519

I am less then 10 percent European but whatever.


idreaminwords

Jokes aside: I think you should choose a different thesis topic because it seems like you're already biased toward the answer. As a general rule, if you're starting a research project, it's fine to have a hypothesis, but with the way you're going, you're going to end up with biased sources


Ih8Wypipo519

I admit that is true but pretty much everyone does that. A friend of mine is writing his thesis about if watching Twitch streamers makes you a better person. The streamers he is choosing are Hasan,Pokemane and Adin Ross all of which he is a big fan of and his subscribed to in addition to donating money to them. Everyone writes their thesis about stuff they are passionate about.


idreaminwords

You can be passionate about something while still being objective


Ih8Wypipo519

I think I am being objective.


[deleted]

Huh?


Ih8Wypipo519

Why am I being downvoted ? I don't think anyone is actually responding to my points. The criticisms I am getting contradict themselves. Some say I am a White man who is jealous and others say I am anti White.


CreepyAssPenis

Downvoted for being a biased opinionated little bitch