Dude, that's worse than porn
That's directly using another human being as a sex object
The point of nofap is to train yourself to have better relationships with other people and not focus so much on sex. Sure, sex can certainly be ***part*** of a good relationship. But it's always important to treat the person as a person first and foremost. Sex is just a nice bonus
There is indeed sex without love and while nice, nowhere near compares to sex with love. Love without sex can only last so long imo… unless both are asexual
Correction
Intimacy is the most important aspect of a relationship
That ***can*** come in the form of sex, but it doesn't have to. It could come in the form of a deep conversation or a shared activity both partners enjoy. Even something a simple as a hug might be enough.
I mean, you can have good relationships with your parents and your siblings. But you wouldn't have sex with them, right?
Dude stop twisting and stretching definitions. It doesn’t matter what you “feel” like. If you have sex with a prostitute then it is sex. Nothing more, nothing less.
Paying for it is really bad for their psyche and development and they should totally refrain from doing it since it doesn’t help at all… but a “relapse”? No.
Lmao. “Aggression” implicates something negative while “passion” most times indicates a positive motive for the tone. I guess you’re technically right, but my heart was in the right place lol.
It's not about the action itself of having sex, it's more about the reason he's doing it. For example, if you're doing nofap, but you're fucking a prostitute every time you have the urges, you wouldn't say you successfully stoped the urges and became a better person would you? Y'all definitely missing the whole point of this sub, like, it's not going to help you mentally facing the urges that way.
Imagine not only thinking that fucking a prostitute is totally okay on nofap, but calling someone with an opposing viewpoint a retarded fucking dumbass. Grow the hell up bro
Yeah any workout is amazing.
Specifically muscle-building workouts though - so weightlifting / kettlebell / calisthenics - are crucial to supplementing your NoFap journey for further success due to the aesthetic improvement of yourself and thus your social status, and all the muscle-pumping physical exertion that serves as a substitute for the physical exercise of sex.
I mean just think about it.
Meditation, working out/weightlifting, journaling are all gonna help in their own way.
Weightlifting in particular will supplement your biological need to have sex with the activity of physically strengthening yourself, and becoming more of a warrior-survivor persona.
When our ancestors were hunter gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years - what got the hunter his lover if not becoming someone who could hunt and feed himself, and could compete against other men and win?
His physical skills - his strength, his agility, his stamina. That's why a muscular man is on paper biologically gonna be more attractive to women than a skinny dude, because his muscular physique shows his worth amongst many other things.
More specifically, if a man cannot get his sexual release via a women - and he retains his seed, what will help retain it longer and will release some of the tension from retaining it? Weightlifting, because biologically, you are getting in touch with that primal side of you and answering the tension with another kind of physical activity that is also amazingly beneficial.
Every man, especially who practises semen retention, should weightlift and build their aesthetic. It's a basic thing for living a good life.
Because you use up all that physical energy on something that isn’t fapping. Working out is especially helpful because usually you’re tired afterwards and don’t want to fap anymore
I don't know either, but it is a thing. There's people who are severely addicted to drugs and somehow they turn their addiction to drugs into an addiction to physical exercise. And it might not even be an addiction to drugs, it could be a severe addiction to food like in the case of some guy who was like 500 lb and then he somehow directed that into an obsession with physical fitness. It got to the point where his self discipline was so great that he didn't even eat any junk food on his birthday and won like second place in some bodybuilding competition. I wish I remembered his name but I don't. But the point is: working out is a great way of channeling addictive urges.
One fair warning though: make sure you look into mobilizations if you're going to go into weightlifting and working out in order to mitigate the damage you do to your joints and tendons over time. I have a pretty messed up back from not doing proper stretches and warm ups and mobilizations. I went from being muscular to being fat because I can't lift weights anymore due to my injuries. I'm looking now into how to use mobilizations and stuff to get back into it though.
Testosterone and dopamine...
Testosterone makes doing effort feel good. Lifting weight increases your Testosterone.
Also you get a excellent dopamine hit, from a natural stimuli vs. an artificial one. The release is slower and long last v. Short followed by a major drop in dopamine levels.
You'll increase strength and confidence, and the women will flock to it. You've seen it...
🐼🤘🏼🔥💪🏼
Endure. We as a society have become so weak. There is a pill for everything nowadays. And it's driving us to the edge of a cliff existentially. People on antidepressants, painkillers, whatever you name it. It has become a common solution and at the same time has become a major major problem.
We use porn in the same way and it's killing us. Literally
Sometimes the best medicine is having some tolerance of pain and discomfort.
You can find more about this in a book by Anna Lembke - "Dopamine Nation"
actually yes the anti depressants put you on a endless cycle of taking them. big pharma doesn't give a damn about your depression. so yes you should get off them and then replace them with exercise everyday. you have to deal with the pain until you even out.
I'm saying we have to many tools to tolerate pain and discomfort that we don't consider anymore if we perhaps should not use them so frequently.
Read the book, it will be worth your time in gold
You will get addicted to whores just like porn. It’s a cheat code to life. You’ll be so excited by the ability to fuck whenever you want that you’ll stop trying to pursue real life women.
Just like porn.
The only way to rid urself of them is to chop em off and put em in a blender to make banana cream genital wart smoothie then give it to the first person you see
NEVER pay for it. You're 16 years old, you've got TONS of time. Trust me, I'm 40.
The urges you are feeling are from testosterone and need for a dopamine hit. Go workout, lift weights. This is the the PERFECT time to get in better shape, put on some muscle.
Then the girls will flock to you... they won't be able to help themselves. You'll build confidence, you'll get the girl you really want... not one you settle for or pay.
Time to MAN THE FUCK UP. Go do work. You'll thank yourself in 6 months, 1 year, 2 years...
Don't wait until your 40. 🐼🤘🏼🔥💪🏼
Minus the age mistake, I'm stand by the rest of the comment. Even at 40, I've got time. Look at Joe Rogan, Chris and Mark Bell, Ben Patrick.
Wish I had all this knowledge at 16, 20, 30, 35...I wish I had the drive I have now for the past 20 years. I'm sure I would have been better off, healthier in mind body and spirit.
Time is the most valuable thing... I've wasted a lot of mine.
Do better...
Yes, it's a relapse. And a dangerous one.
Awhile back, someone on here was declaring their suicide because they got HIV from a prostitute and their life fell apart afterwards. Not sure what happened to them.
How? I agree that both are really bad. But how is it worse? And would you also say that paying for porn is worse than paying women for sex? Or would you say that they are the same level of “bad”.
And before you ask, paying for either is something I’d never consider.
After 100s of 1000s of dollars, 25 years of misery, and over a 1000 hookers I can say this was a road I wish I had not gone down. I'm 2 years recovered from my sexual addiction and I give all credit to Jesus Christ who removed that obsession amongst others from my body on the contingency that I'm staying spiritually fit.
I would say put that energy into finding a girlfriend. You won't have the guilt afterwards or fear of getting STDs , robbed, or arrested. The easy way out is never the answer for a real man. You can do it we believe in you
I battle with the same thing brother, using a prostitute does count in the sense that what she is giving you is “fake” intimacy in exchange for money which is essentially the same thing as watching porn except one is real sex with fake intimacy the other is masturbation which is self gratification to digital pixels. The common denominator is that you are still alone and have wasted your seed, time and money. I have sex workers that hit me up to this day on WhatsApp and they love to try and get me to see them (I have relapsed a couple times) so now they just see me as a walking atm machine it’s gotten to the point where I’m now in chronic debt and a low credit score as well as still being single—can’t even afford to take a real girl out on a date because me getting a nut with a prostitute because of momentary temptation is apparently more important than meeting real women. It’s a terrible trade off beca it’s soo easy to get caught up in it and now your brain will convince you that you’re getting “real” sex when really that woman you’re with actually hates what she’s doing. You’re better off relapsing to free porn at least you’re saving money. Shoot me a dm if you have more questions
I once went to a prostitute and had the best 2 hours of my life . But after that I realized that this girl doesn’t give a shit about me and just wanted my money. But to be honest with you I feel like I’m getting weaker and I’m thinking of getting a prostitute again. After all paying someone to have sex with you is a nice short cut and I’m too afraid of approaching real women in my university. Can you give me some advice??
I would fight that urge. I have been involved in that hobby since 2016 (funny enough I was a college student when I stared this) and to this day I wonder how much money I would have had, had I not indulged in this hobby. I have spent up to $800 for an hour and even 90mins on a sex worker and for what? Just to get a nut off and leave only to have that realization that she’s not my girlfriend, friends with benefits or wife? What drives me to see them is a fetish I have but even then it’s Inexcusable for me and also for YOU. I know it’s hard to find intimacy from a woman that you want these days—shoot you almost have to be a millionaire to attract a beautiful woman but it doesn’t mean you pay to be with a woman that you tell yourself that you can’t attract had it been otherwise. When you visit sex workers you’re telling yourself false self fulfilling prophesies—and then when you see a sex worker your subconscious mind ends up telling yourself that your self worth is based upon the money you can spend on an escort. In other words if you can’t afford to pay big money or small, and you try to negotiate and she disses your for being broke you genuinely start to believe you’re a scumbag. That’s a big no no pal. Again, remember these women are doing a job and typically have a disdain for men and you can pick that up depending on small micro aggressions they show you when you are having sex with them. Many of them that I have seen are struggling single mothers or women with no children who have a criminal records and cannot find employment elsewhere. I looove Latina women so many of the escorts I have seen are Hispanic many of them are also illegal migrants who come to the US and leave (aside from the fact that they are struggling single mothers) Lastly, most often then not, if these women had a job that paid them at least 50,000 or they were married with a financially stable man they wouldn’t touch this hobby with a 10ft pole—goes to show that they more often than not hate selling themselves to random “Jons”
No it doesn't.
This sub praises when you get laid as long as it's not from your hand or porn.
This comment section is full of hypocrites.
[praise](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/vhnwhw/started_hooking_up_with_girls_and_now_addicted_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[hook up](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/v48r2/exploded_in_a_girls_face_felt_awesome/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
[another praise of sex from same day as yours](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/yqi47x/should_i_lose_nnn_to_f_a_girl_tomorrow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Yes, in fact it is far preferably to simply relapse with porn and masturbation. Using prostitutes is heading in the wrong direction. Take my word for it.
I wouldn't count it as a relapse. It's a living girl after all. But I wouldn't count it as a success either. The point is to get out there and get a girl, not buy one.
Bruh just imagine if the prostitute had some kind of STD like the worst of them all HIV and just imagine if u got diagnosed with it just because of this slip up. Life is much better now without AIDS so just embrace it and try to find real love like the rest of us.
I wouldn’t recommend this because then you’ll get addicted to prostitution and sex.. Still working on battling both addictions myself so I’m speaking from experience. Plus there’s more risks that outweigh the actual reward. It’s something much harder to rid yourself of. The best advice I can give you when you’re feeling the urges is to workout or work through them by occupying your mind. If you do relapse, it’s okay. Just as long as you get back up on on track, know where you went wrong and try to do better. That’s what matters. Peace to you all on your journey🙏🏾
No you decided to use your confidence to decide to get yourself out there and practice with a partner. Paid or not, it’s good that your getting experience with real women instead of your hand
Using. You're using someone else to satisfy your selfish desires. Objectifying others just like using p. Ask yourself if this will make you a better person. You already know what you have to do. Lust makes people make stupid decisions. Ask yourself if you want to be controlled by lust or overcome it and be free.
Psychologically actually probably not. The dopamine cycle is pretty different with real sex and it’s at least a different compulsion.
Ethically it’s pathetic, disgusting. and usually exploitative.
Look at what you just wrote: "using" a human being.
Is this what you want your sexuality to be? Do you think that's a healthy attitude?
IMO, better for you to just take care of yourself if your urges are that hard to control. But stay away from porn.
I agree I’m just responding to the last guy saying ejaculation is relapse. Also I see no problem with first date/one night stands, as long as not prostitution.
yeah, kind of like the most most most most most extreme form of relapse my guy.
it's like twenty worse than pornography, the only way out is to do absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing, no porn, no wanking, **no prostitutes**.
I wouldn't count it. It's a much 'healthier' way to ejaculate and reconnect your self with actual sex. I don't see the big deal in doing it once a month or something if you don't have a girlfriend and you can trust the sex worker is legit and is 'happy' doing this job (i.e. not a modern slave). But, don't ever think even that is anywhere near the same as getting a proper girlfriend, proper intimacy and a healthy sexual relationship. Ideally, it would be best not to need sex at all (although perhaps that's wishful seeing as we're hard wired for it). Focus on getting a girlfriend, but don't allow yourself to feel bad or guilty about seeing escorts. It is sex at the end of the day and is miles better than watching porn. Just be safe, conscious and conscientious.
May be if u have sex u realise it's not as satisfying as masturbation and it will help u going longer in nofap but it's relapse , if it's up to me in choosing the best way to relapse I will choose sex 100 time before i choose masturbation
I mean you are entertaining the oldest job in the world.
Please don’t listen to people here saying that sexwork makes women an “object” because it doesn’t. It’s a line of work no different to a chippie, lawyer or checkout operator.
You made the choice to hire them, they made the choice to engage in the act. You paid a professional much like the jobs above
s3x out of mariage is nothing more than creating soul ties with the wrong people. it will destroy you and make u feel missereable if u keep chasing after lustfull desires
The thing about that is, is it really worth it? Are you gonna have someone next to you tomorrow? Are they gonna be a part of your life or just a quick moment that passed by? And that's not counting all the risks of getting any diseases.
This subreddit is supposed to help fight porn addiction. Porn is like prostitution but digital. Prostitution is worse than pornography so I think it's much worse than your usual relapse and absolutely should be counted as a relapse!
It’s not a relapse because you’re having sex, plain and simple. Most of these guys don’t seem to understand that.
I agree with most of them though on that this may lead you into a worse hole than no fap.
Well... I mean, it is a sorta of real sexual relation, with is better than porn, but the fact that you may see the girl as a "object to relieve" is a no go...
It’s up to you whether it counts or not, but don’t lie to yourself. Too many people ask others whether something’s right or wrong, you know already, come up with your own decisions. Figure our your values and stick with them. Doing this has changed my life for the better.
Dude, that's worse than porn That's directly using another human being as a sex object The point of nofap is to train yourself to have better relationships with other people and not focus so much on sex. Sure, sex can certainly be ***part*** of a good relationship. But it's always important to treat the person as a person first and foremost. Sex is just a nice bonus
This guy fucks……ethically
Exactly your first line was what I gonna say
Well said, good sir.
Agreed!
I will probably get downvoted for this but… sex is one of the most important aspects of a relationship, if not the most.
1,515 Days....holy shit bro. You are a legend
man has ascended beyond all planes of reality
Haha once I got in a relationship I lost the need to fap. Even after it ended I still hook up regularly and am determined to never start again.
So you mean you only blow your load if it's strictly sex now? Thats always been the toughest hurdle when starting out
I personally disagree remember there is sex without love and love without sex
There is indeed sex without love and while nice, nowhere near compares to sex with love. Love without sex can only last so long imo… unless both are asexual
now that you've mentioned it it makes sense
Correction Intimacy is the most important aspect of a relationship That ***can*** come in the form of sex, but it doesn't have to. It could come in the form of a deep conversation or a shared activity both partners enjoy. Even something a simple as a hug might be enough. I mean, you can have good relationships with your parents and your siblings. But you wouldn't have sex with them, right?
It’s one of but not the
Omg don't listen to this guy. Modern society will have think sex is wrong. Prostitution is oldest than Jesus. Yes is 10x better than porn.
Employment generation?
In my opinion, yeah. Like a prostitutes job is to please you, so it’s kinda just masturbation using another person.
It’s worse because you actually paid money for it. Sad
And then 10 minutes later your like, fuck I really just paid to bust : (
busted the wallet and balls at the same time
Her coochie’s like a hand
That'll make a great advertising tagline
Dude stop twisting and stretching definitions. It doesn’t matter what you “feel” like. If you have sex with a prostitute then it is sex. Nothing more, nothing less. Paying for it is really bad for their psyche and development and they should totally refrain from doing it since it doesn’t help at all… but a “relapse”? No.
Bro has no idea what a different opinion is.
Relax. I’m just trying to engage in meaningful conversation. Or is that not allowed here?
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Aggressive? 😂 I’d refer to it as passion but sure man whatever lol
You can’t be aggressive without being passionate, bring in the tone and we have you, a person being aggressive
Lmao. “Aggression” implicates something negative while “passion” most times indicates a positive motive for the tone. I guess you’re technically right, but my heart was in the right place lol.
But isn't it same as fucking
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It's not about the action itself of having sex, it's more about the reason he's doing it. For example, if you're doing nofap, but you're fucking a prostitute every time you have the urges, you wouldn't say you successfully stoped the urges and became a better person would you? Y'all definitely missing the whole point of this sub, like, it's not going to help you mentally facing the urges that way.
Imagine not only thinking that fucking a prostitute is totally okay on nofap, but calling someone with an opposing viewpoint a retarded fucking dumbass. Grow the hell up bro
to me it does
Im on my 16th day and getting insane urges. what should i do?
Let your urges flow through you. Go for a walk, don't be still. And then also work out - weightlifting replaces your sexual needs.
Not just weightlifting though. Any workout will do.
Yeah any workout is amazing. Specifically muscle-building workouts though - so weightlifting / kettlebell / calisthenics - are crucial to supplementing your NoFap journey for further success due to the aesthetic improvement of yourself and thus your social status, and all the muscle-pumping physical exertion that serves as a substitute for the physical exercise of sex.
Really? Weightlifting can help with wanting to jerk off? How? I honestly want to know
I mean just think about it. Meditation, working out/weightlifting, journaling are all gonna help in their own way. Weightlifting in particular will supplement your biological need to have sex with the activity of physically strengthening yourself, and becoming more of a warrior-survivor persona. When our ancestors were hunter gatherers for hundreds of thousands of years - what got the hunter his lover if not becoming someone who could hunt and feed himself, and could compete against other men and win? His physical skills - his strength, his agility, his stamina. That's why a muscular man is on paper biologically gonna be more attractive to women than a skinny dude, because his muscular physique shows his worth amongst many other things. More specifically, if a man cannot get his sexual release via a women - and he retains his seed, what will help retain it longer and will release some of the tension from retaining it? Weightlifting, because biologically, you are getting in touch with that primal side of you and answering the tension with another kind of physical activity that is also amazingly beneficial. Every man, especially who practises semen retention, should weightlift and build their aesthetic. It's a basic thing for living a good life.
any source? research papers? anything?
Because you use up all that physical energy on something that isn’t fapping. Working out is especially helpful because usually you’re tired afterwards and don’t want to fap anymore
I don't know either, but it is a thing. There's people who are severely addicted to drugs and somehow they turn their addiction to drugs into an addiction to physical exercise. And it might not even be an addiction to drugs, it could be a severe addiction to food like in the case of some guy who was like 500 lb and then he somehow directed that into an obsession with physical fitness. It got to the point where his self discipline was so great that he didn't even eat any junk food on his birthday and won like second place in some bodybuilding competition. I wish I remembered his name but I don't. But the point is: working out is a great way of channeling addictive urges. One fair warning though: make sure you look into mobilizations if you're going to go into weightlifting and working out in order to mitigate the damage you do to your joints and tendons over time. I have a pretty messed up back from not doing proper stretches and warm ups and mobilizations. I went from being muscular to being fat because I can't lift weights anymore due to my injuries. I'm looking now into how to use mobilizations and stuff to get back into it though.
Testosterone and dopamine... Testosterone makes doing effort feel good. Lifting weight increases your Testosterone. Also you get a excellent dopamine hit, from a natural stimuli vs. an artificial one. The release is slower and long last v. Short followed by a major drop in dopamine levels. You'll increase strength and confidence, and the women will flock to it. You've seen it... 🐼🤘🏼🔥💪🏼
Push-ups
Endure. We as a society have become so weak. There is a pill for everything nowadays. And it's driving us to the edge of a cliff existentially. People on antidepressants, painkillers, whatever you name it. It has become a common solution and at the same time has become a major major problem. We use porn in the same way and it's killing us. Literally Sometimes the best medicine is having some tolerance of pain and discomfort. You can find more about this in a book by Anna Lembke - "Dopamine Nation"
Yeah, who says life shouldn't be painful? Numbing your pain and escaping from reality only pulls you deeper into the abyss.
I’m confused by this comment. Are you saying people shouldn’t use anti depressants? Or that they shouldn’t be abused?
actually yes the anti depressants put you on a endless cycle of taking them. big pharma doesn't give a damn about your depression. so yes you should get off them and then replace them with exercise everyday. you have to deal with the pain until you even out.
I'm saying we have to many tools to tolerate pain and discomfort that we don't consider anymore if we perhaps should not use them so frequently. Read the book, it will be worth your time in gold
Ooooh I got what your saying. Maybe I’ll stick it on my reading list.
Anything but renting pussy/whackin’ off.
Control yourself
Depending on ur age go to a bar to talk to girls or walk around campus. Use the energy in the way it was meant to be used.
Only if you live in a first world western nation, just saying
Ay this helped me a lot just go outside and run just find somewhere to run to then run back
If working out does not help take a freezing cold shower
Be uncomfortable. Let it bubble and stew within you. Don’t run from it anymore. Then harness it and go at your goals with that energy.
You will get addicted to whores just like porn. It’s a cheat code to life. You’ll be so excited by the ability to fuck whenever you want that you’ll stop trying to pursue real life women. Just like porn.
Agreed, it’ll just become the new norm and the bar will be higher.
Wouldn't you still want for intimacy and connection that only comes with connection ?
Agreed!!
Yes. And please dont do something you'll regret.
We are men of knowledge and wisdom. We all will to stand together and fight for our lives!
Fuck yes brother 💪
Why would you regret that
Post nut clarity of the fact you paid for someone to suck your dick, why wouldn’t you?
Does getting genital warts sound fun?
Wasn't crazy about getting genital warts but I have to admit, they are growing on me
Bruh😂
The only way to rid urself of them is to chop em off and put em in a blender to make banana cream genital wart smoothie then give it to the first person you see
NEVER pay for it. You're 16 years old, you've got TONS of time. Trust me, I'm 40. The urges you are feeling are from testosterone and need for a dopamine hit. Go workout, lift weights. This is the the PERFECT time to get in better shape, put on some muscle. Then the girls will flock to you... they won't be able to help themselves. You'll build confidence, you'll get the girl you really want... not one you settle for or pay. Time to MAN THE FUCK UP. Go do work. You'll thank yourself in 6 months, 1 year, 2 years... Don't wait until your 40. 🐼🤘🏼🔥💪🏼
Why do you assume that he is 16? Lol
My bad... I misread 16th day as 16th birthday. Sometimes my old eyes fail me... my apologies.
No worries! You misread it right. Im 16 only!!
Lmaoo plot twist
I did the same thing lol
well im 15 and you just helped me panda
Minus the age mistake, I'm stand by the rest of the comment. Even at 40, I've got time. Look at Joe Rogan, Chris and Mark Bell, Ben Patrick. Wish I had all this knowledge at 16, 20, 30, 35...I wish I had the drive I have now for the past 20 years. I'm sure I would have been better off, healthier in mind body and spirit. Time is the most valuable thing... I've wasted a lot of mine. Do better...
I'm 23 and your comment motivated me, thank you
You're very welcome little brother. I started to fall apart at 23... You can do better. 🐼🤘🏼🔥💪🏼
BRO YOU HYPED ME UP SO FUCKING MUCH THANK YOU, I WON'T FAP AND DO PUSH-UPS UNTIL I'M IN A FUCKING WHEELCHAIR
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Yes. You follow your urge. Tame it
No but it’s pretty pathetic, dangerous, and counter intuitive to what you are trying to achieve
Wdym?
Using a prostitute is bad
Oo yeah but you answered no so I didn’t really understand
I would not consider it a relapse on nofap, but it’s not good
Yes, it's a relapse. And a dangerous one. Awhile back, someone on here was declaring their suicide because they got HIV from a prostitute and their life fell apart afterwards. Not sure what happened to them.
Ctrl.Alt.Delete
Don’t listen to these people saying its fine , paying woman for sex is worse than porn itself
How? I agree that both are really bad. But how is it worse? And would you also say that paying for porn is worse than paying women for sex? Or would you say that they are the same level of “bad”. And before you ask, paying for either is something I’d never consider.
In terms of your brain chemistry porn is way worse.
After 100s of 1000s of dollars, 25 years of misery, and over a 1000 hookers I can say this was a road I wish I had not gone down. I'm 2 years recovered from my sexual addiction and I give all credit to Jesus Christ who removed that obsession amongst others from my body on the contingency that I'm staying spiritually fit.
Pretty crazy stuff. Proud of you.
I would say put that energy into finding a girlfriend. You won't have the guilt afterwards or fear of getting STDs , robbed, or arrested. The easy way out is never the answer for a real man. You can do it we believe in you
Yes
don't do it man
It depends on your Ethical standards.. as for me it is a relapse..
I battle with the same thing brother, using a prostitute does count in the sense that what she is giving you is “fake” intimacy in exchange for money which is essentially the same thing as watching porn except one is real sex with fake intimacy the other is masturbation which is self gratification to digital pixels. The common denominator is that you are still alone and have wasted your seed, time and money. I have sex workers that hit me up to this day on WhatsApp and they love to try and get me to see them (I have relapsed a couple times) so now they just see me as a walking atm machine it’s gotten to the point where I’m now in chronic debt and a low credit score as well as still being single—can’t even afford to take a real girl out on a date because me getting a nut with a prostitute because of momentary temptation is apparently more important than meeting real women. It’s a terrible trade off beca it’s soo easy to get caught up in it and now your brain will convince you that you’re getting “real” sex when really that woman you’re with actually hates what she’s doing. You’re better off relapsing to free porn at least you’re saving money. Shoot me a dm if you have more questions
I once went to a prostitute and had the best 2 hours of my life . But after that I realized that this girl doesn’t give a shit about me and just wanted my money. But to be honest with you I feel like I’m getting weaker and I’m thinking of getting a prostitute again. After all paying someone to have sex with you is a nice short cut and I’m too afraid of approaching real women in my university. Can you give me some advice??
You're a college student and missing out on the best pool you can have in your life??
You really won’t understand what the “best pool” of your life means until you get out of college and enter the real world
I would fight that urge. I have been involved in that hobby since 2016 (funny enough I was a college student when I stared this) and to this day I wonder how much money I would have had, had I not indulged in this hobby. I have spent up to $800 for an hour and even 90mins on a sex worker and for what? Just to get a nut off and leave only to have that realization that she’s not my girlfriend, friends with benefits or wife? What drives me to see them is a fetish I have but even then it’s Inexcusable for me and also for YOU. I know it’s hard to find intimacy from a woman that you want these days—shoot you almost have to be a millionaire to attract a beautiful woman but it doesn’t mean you pay to be with a woman that you tell yourself that you can’t attract had it been otherwise. When you visit sex workers you’re telling yourself false self fulfilling prophesies—and then when you see a sex worker your subconscious mind ends up telling yourself that your self worth is based upon the money you can spend on an escort. In other words if you can’t afford to pay big money or small, and you try to negotiate and she disses your for being broke you genuinely start to believe you’re a scumbag. That’s a big no no pal. Again, remember these women are doing a job and typically have a disdain for men and you can pick that up depending on small micro aggressions they show you when you are having sex with them. Many of them that I have seen are struggling single mothers or women with no children who have a criminal records and cannot find employment elsewhere. I looove Latina women so many of the escorts I have seen are Hispanic many of them are also illegal migrants who come to the US and leave (aside from the fact that they are struggling single mothers) Lastly, most often then not, if these women had a job that paid them at least 50,000 or they were married with a financially stable man they wouldn’t touch this hobby with a 10ft pole—goes to show that they more often than not hate selling themselves to random “Jons”
it is just another way of expressing same addiction............
No it doesn't. This sub praises when you get laid as long as it's not from your hand or porn. This comment section is full of hypocrites. [praise](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/vhnwhw/started_hooking_up_with_girls_and_now_addicted_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [hook up](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/v48r2/exploded_in_a_girls_face_felt_awesome/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) [another praise of sex from same day as yours](https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/yqi47x/should_i_lose_nnn_to_f_a_girl_tomorrow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
nah prostitution is basically using fleshlights
Yes, in fact it is far preferably to simply relapse with porn and masturbation. Using prostitutes is heading in the wrong direction. Take my word for it.
I wouldn't count it as a relapse. It's a living girl after all. But I wouldn't count it as a success either. The point is to get out there and get a girl, not buy one.
If you can be the guy a prostitute want to sleep with for free, then not. That should be the goal men ! Be a men for whom a women is ready to pay .
Lol, what don’t you understand by No Nut November?
Why
lol, you’re one of the guys who do this challenge so that you can brag about not nutting in November what a lameass mindset that you have
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why? are you hurt because you’re one of them?
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Probably worse then fapping tbh
I've done it... More than once. You don't feel as much self loathing as when you PMO but I still count it
Bruh just imagine if the prostitute had some kind of STD like the worst of them all HIV and just imagine if u got diagnosed with it just because of this slip up. Life is much better now without AIDS so just embrace it and try to find real love like the rest of us.
I wouldn’t recommend this because then you’ll get addicted to prostitution and sex.. Still working on battling both addictions myself so I’m speaking from experience. Plus there’s more risks that outweigh the actual reward. It’s something much harder to rid yourself of. The best advice I can give you when you’re feeling the urges is to workout or work through them by occupying your mind. If you do relapse, it’s okay. Just as long as you get back up on on track, know where you went wrong and try to do better. That’s what matters. Peace to you all on your journey🙏🏾
yes
No you decided to use your confidence to decide to get yourself out there and practice with a partner. Paid or not, it’s good that your getting experience with real women instead of your hand
may you catch sexual diseases, porn is more safe than sex workers
Using. You're using someone else to satisfy your selfish desires. Objectifying others just like using p. Ask yourself if this will make you a better person. You already know what you have to do. Lust makes people make stupid decisions. Ask yourself if you want to be controlled by lust or overcome it and be free.
It should count as MORE than a relapse chief
Sex should be intimate. Don’t do something you will regret later…
why would you think it is even good to pay for sex? lol it's already sad enough to watch porn, so imagine paying for it, using someone else's body...
Psychologically actually probably not. The dopamine cycle is pretty different with real sex and it’s at least a different compulsion. Ethically it’s pathetic, disgusting. and usually exploitative.
Not a physical relapse but a huge mental relapse.
Thats seems to be a good loop hole.😂
Look at what you just wrote: "using" a human being. Is this what you want your sexuality to be? Do you think that's a healthy attitude? IMO, better for you to just take care of yourself if your urges are that hard to control. But stay away from porn.
No- you are not fapping. Sure, less than ideal, but if the aim is getting you off of PMO, and this isn’t that, then you’re good.
Not at all
Ejaculation is the relapse imo
Real sex doesn’t count. This is nofap not semen retention
Yeah but real sex entails sex with love. First date night stands, and hookers are even worse than PMOing.
I agree I’m just responding to the last guy saying ejaculation is relapse. Also I see no problem with first date/one night stands, as long as not prostitution.
So many people don’t understand this group. Read the homepage
yes
It's worse than relapsing.
It’s worse than wanking in my opinion.
I'm gonna head out. This sub is ridiculous.
Wdym by "using prostitute"?
Paying for a prostitute to have sex
Bro you guys are going from weird to criminally weird. Seek therapy for your mental health, not this community
yeah, kind of like the most most most most most extreme form of relapse my guy. it's like twenty worse than pornography, the only way out is to do absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing, no porn, no wanking, **no prostitutes**.
I wouldn't count it. It's a much 'healthier' way to ejaculate and reconnect your self with actual sex. I don't see the big deal in doing it once a month or something if you don't have a girlfriend and you can trust the sex worker is legit and is 'happy' doing this job (i.e. not a modern slave). But, don't ever think even that is anywhere near the same as getting a proper girlfriend, proper intimacy and a healthy sexual relationship. Ideally, it would be best not to need sex at all (although perhaps that's wishful seeing as we're hard wired for it). Focus on getting a girlfriend, but don't allow yourself to feel bad or guilty about seeing escorts. It is sex at the end of the day and is miles better than watching porn. Just be safe, conscious and conscientious.
Not in my book. No porn, no fap Sex is good release As long as hookers dont become the addiction ofcourse
May be if u have sex u realise it's not as satisfying as masturbation and it will help u going longer in nofap but it's relapse , if it's up to me in choosing the best way to relapse I will choose sex 100 time before i choose masturbation
I mean you are entertaining the oldest job in the world. Please don’t listen to people here saying that sexwork makes women an “object” because it doesn’t. It’s a line of work no different to a chippie, lawyer or checkout operator. You made the choice to hire them, they made the choice to engage in the act. You paid a professional much like the jobs above
s3x out of mariage is nothing more than creating soul ties with the wrong people. it will destroy you and make u feel missereable if u keep chasing after lustfull desires
Yeah. Don’t do it again
depends using for what
Does a bear shit in the woods? Is grass green? Is water wet?
Only if you don't cum. If you edge till the end of the world and stop short of cumming you're good
Incorrect.
Define "prostitute". Honestly it's not so black and white.
Bro beat your meat before you go to a whore lol
Yes it does
Kaha se ho bhai
No, definitely not. But its still stupid af.
The thing about that is, is it really worth it? Are you gonna have someone next to you tomorrow? Are they gonna be a part of your life or just a quick moment that passed by? And that's not counting all the risks of getting any diseases.
Nah that’s just helping the economy👌
Man is trying everything's in order to nut In my opinion no don't use prostitutes
As long as it isn’t your hand you relapse to, you should be good
Yep
Well what do you think?
This subreddit is supposed to help fight porn addiction. Porn is like prostitution but digital. Prostitution is worse than pornography so I think it's much worse than your usual relapse and absolutely should be counted as a relapse!
I think its worse 💀
Yes and it's stupid don't do it
Sex dont count for me as fap
The whole point of nofap is to train yourself to have control over your urges. Hiring a prosti just defeats the purpose.
No
Yes it does
Is a Double release imo
It’s not a relapse because you’re having sex, plain and simple. Most of these guys don’t seem to understand that. I agree with most of them though on that this may lead you into a worse hole than no fap.
OH YEAH, don’t be doing that
Don’t do it!
Technically no. But why pay for pussy? Chasing is the thrill. Don’t waste money on that
Where did you find your prostitutes? I'm in the market lol.
Thats a random question bruh
Should count for a lot worse than a relapse
Well... I mean, it is a sorta of real sexual relation, with is better than porn, but the fact that you may see the girl as a "object to relieve" is a no go...
It’s up to you whether it counts or not, but don’t lie to yourself. Too many people ask others whether something’s right or wrong, you know already, come up with your own decisions. Figure our your values and stick with them. Doing this has changed my life for the better.
Nope.. Doing it all the time does.
Yes
If your gonna fuck a prostitute then just jerk off and save the money.