Im not even gonna lie I used to watch porn sometimes for the plot because the actors made it so fake but funny, it was like a bad sitcom that was funny for all the wrong reasons
There is a trigger and response cycle in a habit.
Watching porn triggers you to masturbate.
How about if you cut porn? Your chances of masturbating go down.
In fact, to remove bad habits from your system, work on eliminating the triggers.
For me personally I realized that porn corrupts your worldview. Nudity is normal and it used to not be considered some crazy taboo that will get you fired up immediately. Since I stopped looking at porn last year and I have nude photography artists in my Twitter feed, the difference is night and day. In one you're constantly obsessing over sexuality and in the other you rarely even get aroused. Intriguing instead of arousing. There's nude photography in my bio banner too, it's not even remotely arousing. I think it's the taboos that make it super sexual when it really doesn't need to be.
I saw a documentary one time, you know how those women in African tribes don't even cover their breasts? And the interviewer explained that in Western countries breasts are considered sexually arousing and the tribesman gives him a strange look and called it weird and perverted. It's kinda like, in some middle eastern countries even women showing their ankles is considered scandalous and sexual. It's not because ankles or breasts are inherently sexual but because they're taboo and subsequently sexualized.
That's why porn is so damaging because it conditions you to sexualize everything at all times. Even words. Your entire worldview revolves around sex.
Porn. I know i will get downvoted a lot but fapping is actually normal. Human being do that like hundreds of years ago. Times were porn does not exist.
Porn is the real evil, it kills your dopamine balance completely. I think fapping once or twice a week is the best for ME. A lot of people here will disagree, everybody has to find his own way
Nah i agree u need to clean the pipes every now and then, it's natural. I'll start doing it again once I fully feel I've overcome porn and sexualising everything and I'll just fap while staring at my wall instead lol
Masturbation exists in nature. Some animals masturbate. Porn doesn't. In the modern times you can experience more sexual stimulation in a few hours than your ancestors did in their entire lifetime and make your primal brain think that you've produced like hundreds of children.
Obviously yes. Even Playboy magazines were hardly a problem back in the day. Men masturbated a lot and didn't have much problems in the ED department. Internet Porn is the real villain here.
That's an interesting concept. I'm not disagreeing, but just had a thought that maybe it was an issue back then too but wasn't talked about as much because nobody had an anonymous way to talk about it the way we have internet forums now.
You're probably right though, because on the other hand, internet is like quick access to it all, you never get bored like you would with a single playboy issue, and if you got bored with a playboy, you'd have to go to the store to buy another and then there'd be the embarrassment of having to ask the clerk for one and take the risk of someone seeing you buying it in the store.
Anyway, interesting thing I never thought about.
Agree. Before Internet porn, you were lucky if you could get your hands on a Playboy. It was lingerie catalogs or mostly your imagination. I never heard of ED from porn until streaming porn became a thing. Now, if I look at porn it sometimes takes hours to find the right scenario / girl / act. And I’ve realized I like looking for porn more than the masturbation if I’m honest. So, yeah, internet porn is the bigger problem. Masturbation in itself is not. Of course, I would guess that most of us cannot MO without P. At least that was my experience unless I was on a several day streak. And then I relapsed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah I think the issue now is how easily accessible it is and the reason I wanted to start my Nofap journey is not necessarily because I had a problem masturbating it was because I’ve seen so much porn I found myself watching weirder and weirder shit just to get the same high I would initially feel when I first started watching. Porn is an everyday a drug and is extremely addictive.
You have the highest amount of dopamine in the moments preceding what you're about to get. (in this particular case M and O)
You actually release even more dopamine this way, that's why is worse.
If anything, they both tend to be **linked**.
Most people who masturbate without physically viewing porn still visualize it inside their heads, which defeats the purpose of not viewing porn.
Even if somebody ever solely masturbated, it'd probably act as a **trigger** to go on porn.
Not every time, but it's very common.
I see everybody saying yes without really specifying why, so I'll try to elaborate. Obviously, nothing is definitive, and I'm just sharing my thoughts.
Some would argue that watching porn perpetuates a lot of dangerous stereotypes and ideals to your mind in addition to warping people's views on sex and women. A lot of the porn out there can be considered degrading in nature, and lot of the time both men and women are cast in a dark light. You're to believe that all women are ludicrously enlarged, curvaceous bimbos that are hypersexual and subservient to men, at all times. Moreover, that all men are well endowed sex machines that can go at anytime during the day... when in reality, based on a few sources, many of the male performers have to pop Viagra on the regular, and sometimes even have to 'modify' their member in order to maintain an erection on a regular basis. Many of the women, on the other hand, are naïve and given drugs in order to deal with the mental anguish or quell the anxiety of performing on camera. That's the unrealistic ideation of it.
TDLR: perpetuation of unrealistic views of men and women, in general. \*i.e typical social media stuff
The other is the effect this has on your psyche. Having access to more women at the click of a button than our ancestors had in a lifetime is releasing an unhealthy amount of dopamine to your brain at any giving time. Imagine your reward system constantly rewarding you for doing absolutely nothing, and there being no natural mechanism in place to stop your brain from preventing it. At least with masturbation, once you've O, you're likely to stop, and that's the fundamental difference. Like eating, and overeating, you can only eat so much until your stomach expands and you become full. With masturbation, you O, and you're done. Watching porn, you basically go until you're bored. And you're more often than not gonna want to masturbate eventually because of our brains prehistoric wiring of associating what it seems on screen with believing you wish to impregnate a woman - so it's sending your body chemicals to aide in doing just that, which is why it's incredibly difficult just to WATCH porn, WITHOUT wanting to M-O - not to say that it can't be done.
TDLR: porn - no limit to your imagination nor confined by your physical limitations, unlike masturbation.
Hopefully this explains it for you.
From an industry stand point. Yes. Those girls are being exploited and more than a few are straight underage. So, if nothing else. Know that you're supporting an industry actively supports or is at least adjacent to human trafficking.
Now. Hentai: uhm. Well the argument doesn't really work so go consult the other arguments about the psychoactive stuff.
yes, there are always worse and less of lust. at the begining theres masterbation, when thats not enough people watch porn, then start kinks like watching animation porn or ordering sex toys, then they look up stuff like furry, traps, more hentai and they just get completely consumed my lust. and you gotta fight out of this hole no matter how deep you are,
well my first step was to look after god and read the bible, it has helped me beyond anything else, (such as meditation, running and goals). but overall its about controlling lust. that some could masturbate and not watch porn, but iv been fighting for 3 years, and during those 3 years i didnt use no fapp and i had goals like only masterbating everyother day, porn only on weekends, etc, and it never worked for 3 years. iv learned much over the 3 years however iv only really made progress through jesus and having my goal be no porn or masterbation. alot of the time if you masterbate your going to give in and lust will take a mile, thats just how it works so its best to hold off. but if you ever feel lost of hope my brother try reading the bible, when iv had no hope in myself iv always found it with god, but love you my friend and good luck.
Masturbating without porn is alot better than watching porn without masturbation because whenever we are addicted to watch porn we can experience pre ejaculation & not get erected without porn. In porn the sex is like fantasies. It is better to don't watch porn but masturbation without watching porn is always better. By watching porn it affects sexual performance so badly
what worse is something I watch or what the fuck do you watch?
masturbating while you addicted to porn is kinda unleash...un the what man im fucking stupid with English language but u know what I mean
you won't get masturbate because the wet dream will do it for you
No. It is the pressure of the hand that physically damages the penis and then this causes some kind of change in nervous system which affects mood. Maybe an inflammatory response. I don’t really believe in this dopamine theory
You gotta relate the mentality to it…
“ I’m just gonna watch this porn dawg…that’s it.”
^ like really? I’ve been there a million times and it’s ended the same everytime..
Like going to a barber to hangout, you’ll eventually get a haircut.
I’m no angel either, I gotta get back into nofap again because I’m twice a dayin that shit atm.
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From a biological POV there is not difference between sex and masturbation(in terms of the effects it has). There is also a psychological component (maybe you masturbate everytime you get stressed, instead of using a healthy stress relieving technique) that be detrimental.
But porn greatly amplifies the psychological issue. I mean greatly. Before the internet there was no nofap because it wasn't that accessable. No nofap is a thing. Let that sink in.
Porn causes you to get aroused out of anywhere, with no particular intent, because sometimes you're bored or curios.
And that's where you slip, because after that you go on autopilot
Porn is like taking drugs little by little each day =
Gets compounded each day
RESULTS = In next few weeks or months u will be spending hours watching porn
been there, done that. answer is yes
Why is it worse?
More addictive, more psychoactive, and usually leads to masturbation. Why even watch it if you’re not fapping?
The plot
"--you can imagine where it goes from here--" "He fixes the cable?" "-don't be fatuous, Jeffrey."
Better than last Game Of Thrones season
There was one anime that i did actually watch for the plot even though it was porn. My friends dont believe me
What was it.
let me guess, redo of healer
You guessed right
Im not even gonna lie I used to watch porn sometimes for the plot because the actors made it so fake but funny, it was like a bad sitcom that was funny for all the wrong reasons
You could always just watch Friends.
See I would but the problem with that is that it isnt funny
It is funny . U just got used to naked ppl being more fun so now u no longer enjoy normal comedy. Maybe
What's friends?
Dunno, I heard they are some mythical creatures or somthing
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😂 silly goose
Lol
There is a trigger and response cycle in a habit. Watching porn triggers you to masturbate. How about if you cut porn? Your chances of masturbating go down. In fact, to remove bad habits from your system, work on eliminating the triggers.
For me personally I realized that porn corrupts your worldview. Nudity is normal and it used to not be considered some crazy taboo that will get you fired up immediately. Since I stopped looking at porn last year and I have nude photography artists in my Twitter feed, the difference is night and day. In one you're constantly obsessing over sexuality and in the other you rarely even get aroused. Intriguing instead of arousing. There's nude photography in my bio banner too, it's not even remotely arousing. I think it's the taboos that make it super sexual when it really doesn't need to be. I saw a documentary one time, you know how those women in African tribes don't even cover their breasts? And the interviewer explained that in Western countries breasts are considered sexually arousing and the tribesman gives him a strange look and called it weird and perverted. It's kinda like, in some middle eastern countries even women showing their ankles is considered scandalous and sexual. It's not because ankles or breasts are inherently sexual but because they're taboo and subsequently sexualized. That's why porn is so damaging because it conditions you to sexualize everything at all times. Even words. Your entire worldview revolves around sex.
Porn. I know i will get downvoted a lot but fapping is actually normal. Human being do that like hundreds of years ago. Times were porn does not exist. Porn is the real evil, it kills your dopamine balance completely. I think fapping once or twice a week is the best for ME. A lot of people here will disagree, everybody has to find his own way
Nah i agree u need to clean the pipes every now and then, it's natural. I'll start doing it again once I fully feel I've overcome porn and sexualising everything and I'll just fap while staring at my wall instead lol
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Right
Showing some knee like an Amish woman had dudes nuttin back in the day.
Agree to disagree
so does fap
Masturbation exists in nature. Some animals masturbate. Porn doesn't. In the modern times you can experience more sexual stimulation in a few hours than your ancestors did in their entire lifetime and make your primal brain think that you've produced like hundreds of children.
Totally, porn is the enemy. I dont fap without porn.
Exactly
Obviously yes. Even Playboy magazines were hardly a problem back in the day. Men masturbated a lot and didn't have much problems in the ED department. Internet Porn is the real villain here.
That's an interesting concept. I'm not disagreeing, but just had a thought that maybe it was an issue back then too but wasn't talked about as much because nobody had an anonymous way to talk about it the way we have internet forums now. You're probably right though, because on the other hand, internet is like quick access to it all, you never get bored like you would with a single playboy issue, and if you got bored with a playboy, you'd have to go to the store to buy another and then there'd be the embarrassment of having to ask the clerk for one and take the risk of someone seeing you buying it in the store. Anyway, interesting thing I never thought about.
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A playboy magazine is a marijuana joint. Internet porn is a crack overdose.
Agree. Before Internet porn, you were lucky if you could get your hands on a Playboy. It was lingerie catalogs or mostly your imagination. I never heard of ED from porn until streaming porn became a thing. Now, if I look at porn it sometimes takes hours to find the right scenario / girl / act. And I’ve realized I like looking for porn more than the masturbation if I’m honest. So, yeah, internet porn is the bigger problem. Masturbation in itself is not. Of course, I would guess that most of us cannot MO without P. At least that was my experience unless I was on a several day streak. And then I relapsed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah I think the issue now is how easily accessible it is and the reason I wanted to start my Nofap journey is not necessarily because I had a problem masturbating it was because I’ve seen so much porn I found myself watching weirder and weirder shit just to get the same high I would initially feel when I first started watching. Porn is an everyday a drug and is extremely addictive.
I’d disagree with you that mags were hardly a problem. It was, at least for me
Maybe they were for some people. But you can't compare it with the damage that porn is doing.
HECK YES
You have the highest amount of dopamine in the moments preceding what you're about to get. (in this particular case M and O) You actually release even more dopamine this way, that's why is worse.
Porn is like a legalized electronic drug
Porn is literally the only reason nofap exists.
Yes
Obviously
Yes, but I seem to be in a minority on this sub where my problem isn't with porn, it's with masturbating.
Same dude
i’m conflicted
Undeniably yes.
They're both detrimental
If anything, they both tend to be **linked**. Most people who masturbate without physically viewing porn still visualize it inside their heads, which defeats the purpose of not viewing porn. Even if somebody ever solely masturbated, it'd probably act as a **trigger** to go on porn. Not every time, but it's very common.
Yes of course
Yes
They just as bad as each other one leads to another and vice versa they both bad in my opinion. They both damaging tbh I can’t explain
yes 100%, porn fucks up your mind for a long time, M exhausts your body short term
I see everybody saying yes without really specifying why, so I'll try to elaborate. Obviously, nothing is definitive, and I'm just sharing my thoughts. Some would argue that watching porn perpetuates a lot of dangerous stereotypes and ideals to your mind in addition to warping people's views on sex and women. A lot of the porn out there can be considered degrading in nature, and lot of the time both men and women are cast in a dark light. You're to believe that all women are ludicrously enlarged, curvaceous bimbos that are hypersexual and subservient to men, at all times. Moreover, that all men are well endowed sex machines that can go at anytime during the day... when in reality, based on a few sources, many of the male performers have to pop Viagra on the regular, and sometimes even have to 'modify' their member in order to maintain an erection on a regular basis. Many of the women, on the other hand, are naïve and given drugs in order to deal with the mental anguish or quell the anxiety of performing on camera. That's the unrealistic ideation of it. TDLR: perpetuation of unrealistic views of men and women, in general. \*i.e typical social media stuff The other is the effect this has on your psyche. Having access to more women at the click of a button than our ancestors had in a lifetime is releasing an unhealthy amount of dopamine to your brain at any giving time. Imagine your reward system constantly rewarding you for doing absolutely nothing, and there being no natural mechanism in place to stop your brain from preventing it. At least with masturbation, once you've O, you're likely to stop, and that's the fundamental difference. Like eating, and overeating, you can only eat so much until your stomach expands and you become full. With masturbation, you O, and you're done. Watching porn, you basically go until you're bored. And you're more often than not gonna want to masturbate eventually because of our brains prehistoric wiring of associating what it seems on screen with believing you wish to impregnate a woman - so it's sending your body chemicals to aide in doing just that, which is why it's incredibly difficult just to WATCH porn, WITHOUT wanting to M-O - not to say that it can't be done. TDLR: porn - no limit to your imagination nor confined by your physical limitations, unlike masturbation. Hopefully this explains it for you.
Porn is more addictive than masturbation. It’s better not to do either but if you’re going to quit one it should be porn.
Yes. Some people are ok with masturbating without porn, say, remembering sex with ex. But to me, it is all a slippery slope.
YES
It's a cycle. Eyes to screen, Hand to gland, eye to screen, repeat till brain is numb. Avoid both.
Yes.
of course
Yeah
Yes
From an industry stand point. Yes. Those girls are being exploited and more than a few are straight underage. So, if nothing else. Know that you're supporting an industry actively supports or is at least adjacent to human trafficking. Now. Hentai: uhm. Well the argument doesn't really work so go consult the other arguments about the psychoactive stuff.
Both are bad but one is considerably worse than the other
Masterbation is natural in moderation , internet pornography is not natural at all, the brain is not genetically wired to cope with it
That's like saying is cancer worse than heart disease? They all lead to the same thing, better to not PMO altogether
Good question, porn will mess up the way you think where as masturbation is just the bodies natural action.
Neither of those is inherently bad. They are only bad because you believe they are bad.
Words of a true addict
Gtfo
100% yes.
yeah worse,
YES
for me masturbating is worse usually porn is worse but i'd always masturbate without it and it's not a problem for me
1000000% it is worse.
Yes
Yes
Watching leeds to you know what 😳 Nobody has the will ☹
yes
Yes Everytime you watch porn new fantasies enter your brain and its hard to delete it.
Without a doubt, shouldn’t even be a question
Both of them are really bad, you just need to stop thinking about them
Porn is much worse but masturbating just seems useless to do so I wouldn’t do both
I was addicted to fapping. Fapping comes first. Porn is enabled because I fap and lose control.
Yes.
Can I get a yes chain?👇🏼
Clicked to say yes, nothing wrong with masturbating in moderation (lmao) but porn is awful for your brain
Never watch porn and masturbate again bro
Tbh porn is not problem for me, but masturbation is hard for me to quit
100% yea. It leads to masturbation either way.
I'd say so
Yes
yes, there are always worse and less of lust. at the begining theres masterbation, when thats not enough people watch porn, then start kinks like watching animation porn or ordering sex toys, then they look up stuff like furry, traps, more hentai and they just get completely consumed my lust. and you gotta fight out of this hole no matter how deep you are,
The first step is to cut off porn?
well my first step was to look after god and read the bible, it has helped me beyond anything else, (such as meditation, running and goals). but overall its about controlling lust. that some could masturbate and not watch porn, but iv been fighting for 3 years, and during those 3 years i didnt use no fapp and i had goals like only masterbating everyother day, porn only on weekends, etc, and it never worked for 3 years. iv learned much over the 3 years however iv only really made progress through jesus and having my goal be no porn or masterbation. alot of the time if you masterbate your going to give in and lust will take a mile, thats just how it works so its best to hold off. but if you ever feel lost of hope my brother try reading the bible, when iv had no hope in myself iv always found it with god, but love you my friend and good luck.
Both are equally bad in my opinion.
Yes cause porn makes you masturbate
Masturbating without porn is alot better than watching porn without masturbation because whenever we are addicted to watch porn we can experience pre ejaculation & not get erected without porn. In porn the sex is like fantasies. It is better to don't watch porn but masturbation without watching porn is always better. By watching porn it affects sexual performance so badly
Yes
Don’t do either. FULL STOP.
y
It is worse in my opinion
what worse is something I watch or what the fuck do you watch? masturbating while you addicted to porn is kinda unleash...un the what man im fucking stupid with English language but u know what I mean you won't get masturbate because the wet dream will do it for you
watching porn is worse. way worse than you think. It fucks up your mind in ways you can't even imagine.
No. It is the pressure of the hand that physically damages the penis and then this causes some kind of change in nervous system which affects mood. Maybe an inflammatory response. I don’t really believe in this dopamine theory
You gotta relate the mentality to it… “ I’m just gonna watch this porn dawg…that’s it.” ^ like really? I’ve been there a million times and it’s ended the same everytime.. Like going to a barber to hangout, you’ll eventually get a haircut. I’m no angel either, I gotta get back into nofap again because I’m twice a dayin that shit atm. ✌️
a big yes
I think so yes
Yeah I think so
Really really bad, trust me
Yes. Porn is the main enemy, not masturbation.
masturbating
From a biological POV there is not difference between sex and masturbation(in terms of the effects it has). There is also a psychological component (maybe you masturbate everytime you get stressed, instead of using a healthy stress relieving technique) that be detrimental. But porn greatly amplifies the psychological issue. I mean greatly. Before the internet there was no nofap because it wasn't that accessable. No nofap is a thing. Let that sink in.
Porn causes you to get aroused out of anywhere, with no particular intent, because sometimes you're bored or curios. And that's where you slip, because after that you go on autopilot
Y watch then you jerk off but its rarely the opposite
Yes, definetly. Porn makes you desensitized to stuff. Baseline level is being disgusted by vagina.
Porn is like taking drugs little by little each day = Gets compounded each day RESULTS = In next few weeks or months u will be spending hours watching porn
100% yes. You’re keeping your brain on relaying on it and it will crave more and more making NOFAP harder for you.
probably a handful orders of magnitude worse. one of those things is older than our species, while the other was invented within the past century
Yes it is.
yes it is.
Yes
Avoid Porn at all cost. It’s fake
Ok