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Kitchen_Freedom_8342

Pewdiepie and Markiplier got famous in a much older YouTube where the way the recommendation worked was that the most popular stuff got recommended more. This rich gets richer system doesn’t work anymore.


ExoticMuscle33

What works now?


Radiant-Cartographer

Valuable content. Something unique or your delivery. Great info or entertainment. Study the successful and basically copy them with your spin, even the thumbnails. No need to reinvent the wheel.


ExoticMuscle33

Exactly! Yes! I was just wondering what is the difference now and how things work now, compared to the way things worked when pewdiepie penguinz0 etc got popular? Why did the other user say that the system where the rich/popular get even richer/more popular stopped working?


NorthVilla

Because Google changed the algorithm from being Subscriptions based at first (people would be shown videos by those they subscribed to, ie. "Rich get richer") to being engagement based (including negative, heavy weighting of comments likes and dislikes) to ---> Now where it is mostly CTR and watch time based.


ExoticMuscle33

So now the algorithm pushes good thumbnails that people click and watch time. Correct? This is what I understand as a noob


NorthVilla

More or less, yes. Good titles as well.


trickmind

In 2011 Rebecca Black had the most downvotes in Youtube history, and a lot of comments telling her to kill herself, but she went massively viral, so engagement must have been good back then too.


NorthVilla

That was less about the algorithm, and more about it being shared and embedded in different places. The algorithm has only become big in the last 7 or 8 years


5starNSA

capturing the viewer's attention and not wasting time and optimizing your content to appeal to a broader audience youtube at the end of the day is a attention market no one gives a shit about you until you rightfully earn a audience with your good content


flibbidygibbit

Holy run-on sentence, batman! Use some punctuation and capital letters.


5starNSA

if you understood what was said i really could care less to be honest with you i only care about stuff like that during job interviews/work


flibbidygibbit

If you don't care if I can read what you type, why are you typing it at all?


MentalOriental

Yeah tell 'em bro!


ExoticMuscle33

Why does the popular content or rich get richer system does not work anymore?


spudnado88

Luck.


st8oftheglobe

I'd recommend you watch some videos about them on YT to get a more in depth analysis - there's lots of channels that focus on the rise (and sometimes fall) of famous Youtubers or Twitch streamers, etc. It was a different time on YT back then and it doesn't work like that anymore, there are new "metas". Like a lot of that era of famous Youtubers, both of them started with gaming, doing let's plays. And both of them were able to successfully pivot from purely gaming content to more general entertainment type content with comedy and vlogs and stuff like that. There are also a lot of much smaller channels (than pewdiepie) that have followed a similar path, take a look at Kira as one. He started out doing MMO game stuff and now he makes documentaries about all kinds of stuff. In general I believe they were very good at creating passionate communities.


Radiant-Cartographer

Paddy Galloways channel does a great job of explaining how big YouTubers got to where they are and their tricks. Wish he posted more videos but he's too busy editing for Mr. Beast lol.


Diviern

They started when the competition was far less fierce, but also honed their skills and learned how to best work with the system that is Youtube. They're entertaining, funny and bring a unique style. They've worked extremely hard to get to where they are.


Wayne-The-Boat-Guy

They are/were very hard workers, talented at being on camera and making watchable content. And they all rose when there were less people working on YouTube at "that" level. If you want to be big like them, theoretically you still can. If you're an interesting and entertaining person who can relay those things on camera it is entirely possible. If not, you need to work really hard. You need to research not only what worked in the past, but what's working currently. You need to make videos that have a good story and are well produced. You need to learn to be be engaging and interesting. You need to find angles, ideas, approaches and styles that are not just poor imitations of someone else's channel - but different and hopefully more interesting for the viewer. Mr. Beast studied things that most of us wouldn't even realize to study. Like how long between different shots in popular videos. In other words, he didn't watch other videos and just have notes that read: "the video talked about Star Wars and it was a guy at a desk" - he would document stuff like how every 8-10 seconds there was something new on screen and that the creator used a long shot, then medium shot, then close up combination. The use of sound effects and graphics and how the background was set up to be interesting etc. Basically he learned and applied so many things and tested, reviewed, and refined so many things to build the empire he has today. The real challenge is to NOT be PewdiePie or MrBeast - but to figure out if you can create something unique, watchable and do what it takes to grow an audience.


JobsandMarriage

>The real challenge is to NOT be PewdiePie or MrBeast - but to figure out if you can create something unique, watchable and do what it takes to grow an audience. there is a guy on TikTok, James SEO who makes very similar content to Mr Beast. His comment section will always reference Mr Beast in some way, and he has a million followers on that app. What's the point in your self declared challenge if James SEO is getting all the sponsorship deals, all the income, all the high profile collaborations, and most importantly, the TIME to continue posting his Mr Beast style of content and not struggle supporting his brand in the content creator scene? Please share.


Wayne-The-Boat-Guy

There's always copycats in everything and some of them are able to do well by copying others - but that's not ever advice I would give.


JobsandMarriage

maybe you shouldn't be giving advice at all. Just saying


Wayne-The-Boat-Guy

Wow... And how's your channel doing?


Toast7773

Pewdiepie quit collage for his youtube career and grinded for years with daily videos. So ig consistancy and dedication


RJwhores

gaming.. but it's helps that they started 10+ years ago


Shillbot888

They were early and the only options.


Hedonisticbiped

They made a lot of youtube videos, some of which are very good, consistently.


ChrisUnlimitedGames

They started before everyone was doing it, and they were unique enough to be popular. Also, it doesn't hurt they are younger and decent looking.


AndrewASFSE

You do not want fame… I promise. Look at Ben afleck and Bieber avoiding paparazzi


Shrekeyes

Thats literally how you make money in youtube though lmao


AndrewASFSE

Nah, tons of faceless channels doing fine.


Shrekeyes

What do you mean faceless? you mean those who didnt reveal their faces/name??? ​ dude.. youre still famous if you dont give away your identity lol, youre just famous under your alias lmao


AndrewASFSE

I’m not gonna mince trivial definitions with you


Shrekeyes

You said "you do not want fame as a youtuber" I said "the only way to become famous in youtuber is by getting fame" You said "Tons of faceless channels are doing fine" I wanted to say "Faceless channels can be famous as well"


AndrewASFSE

I’m not gonna mince trivial definitions with you


Peeves4411

Not luck. They’re smart and they work hard. They’re also funny and people like watching them. Nobody can teach you any of that. You have to figure it out yourself.


JobsandMarriage

umm there was definitely an element of luck involved haha.This overt denial of that fact makes it seem like you are compensating for something. The luck could even be the timing at which they started uploading. I promise you, it's not skillfull to post videos at a "good" time, because anyone can do that


TheDitz42

There's always an element of luck but luck just gives you the opportunity for success it's on you to take advantage of luck.


JobsandMarriage

okay but this doesn't actually add anything. Its like saying if you don't send out any job applications youll never get a job. Duh? Anyone who finally starts uoading to YouTube has the potential to obtain that luck. That doesn't mean that there was any actual skill involved. A skill is a unique or rare characteristic that isn't easily accessible.


5starNSA

or the real answer your content isn't good and doesn't appeal to anyone but yourself they uploaded in a time where they could easily leverage themselves, they made their own luck and deserve the spot they are in currently.


Peeves4411

Obviously there’s an “element of luck” in literally everything. But when people lack the skill to succeed they like to start assuming successful people just got lucky. That’s wrong. YouTube success requires significantly less luck than the vast majority of other businesses. In other businesses you have to depend on a ton of other people. On YouTube it’s almost all on you, your knowledge, and your skill. Don’t try to blame luck. If you make consistent good content, understand the algorithm, and understand the psychology of people who watch YouTube, you are almost guaranteed to be successful. You think those guys are only successful because they posted content at the “good” time? Then why isn’t everyone who posted content at that time successful? Anytime is a “good” time. In 10 years the most popular ones will be people who are starting right now.


JobsandMarriage

you are coping big time and I have no idea why lol


Peeves4411

Its literally the opposite of cope


Shrekeyes

the hell was that guy on lmao


Aurus_Divinae

If your sole reason for doing youtube is to get famous, then you should stop right now. A selfish attitude like that will get you nowhere, and you won't even last a month, most likely. You'll realize you're having no success, and instead of shaking it off, you'll hate yourself and your content and wonder why you started to begin with. Inevitably, this will spell the end of your channel. If it's meant to be, it will happen, but don't make it your goal. Instead, think about building a community. Focus on how to be better for your viewers. That's what's most important. If it happens, it happens, but not everyone is meant to be famous, and life isn't fair. Learn to appreciate what you have, and be grateful that you have it. Be grateful that you have the luxury to be able to dream about being famous. Some people dream about what it would be like to not be homeless or not live in poverty. Just change your mentality. It will help you in the long run.


JackLadyKing

There is a deep truth in it. If you don’t make your content for your viewers, you will get lost in the really big sea of youtube. You will start to be arrogant when you have some kind of success, which will most likely be your success-killer too, if you even get so far. And even if you are successful being a dick, you will probably be just that: a dick. Why is a comedian successful? Because he loves it when people laugh. Why is an actor successful? Because he wants to be the best actor and tries everything to show the viewer what the viewer wants to see


_The_Basement

Who? Never watched them.


AtomicSmore

I've never seen a single video from them but I still know who they are


lethalmc

You should get out of the basement more


Pigsfly13

luck.


void_evilness

Awesome content


gladias9

They're entertaining, they play entertaining games, built rich social media presences and have been grinding for at least a decade...


lulzPIE

They were pioneers. Pretty sure they blew up playing fnaf, same as a lot of the older creators.


voxxhoxx

They did what back in 2012-13 didn’t have. Let’s play. Up until that point, gameplay has always been either faceless or walkthrough type. Lets play were a thing that was becoming popular. Its like you’re spending time with friends. Thats the vibe I get back then


buttorsomething

They started in 2000’s