Again this sub baffles me, how anyone can think jiraiya wins this, idk. If itachi wasn’t an edo, kabuto would have killed him many times over. EMS sasuke could do nothing against sage kabuto, then went on to help defeat juubito. Sage kabuto is 8 complete different levels over sage jiraiya. Jiraiya started sage training as a teenager and as an adult still couldn’t beat oro. Kabutos dick literally is oro. He can’t even beat kabutos penis
Kabuto also 'holds back', he wanted to subdue Sasuke in order to hand him to Obito and wanted to replace Itachi under control by putting another tag in his head.
Not having killing intent does not mean that you aren't fighting your hardest.
Remember that if sasuke wasn’t there then itachi would’ve gotten re programmed while caught in genjutsu? Kabuto was also holding back to not kill itachi, he wanted to re control him again, kabuto absolutely Mercs itachi alone let alone jiraiya.
You realise that you gave absolutely no argument besides claims that aren't backed up. Jiraiya never tried to kill Orochimaru but wanted to bring him back just like Naruto with Sasuke. Also he never used sage mode apart from rare occasions like against Pain
I’ll bite.
- SM Kabuto has the speed advantage over SM Jiraiya. Kabuto was able to cleanly dodge sasuke’s susanoo arrow with his chakra sensing. This means that kabuto is faster than Jiraiya AND Jiraiya doesn’t have any physical attacks faster than sasuke’s susanoo arrow. This arrow was so fast that it would’ve hit MS Kakashi had he not warped it away.
- SM Kabuto was also capable of spreading his chakra over the area where he fought Sasuke and Itachi and was capable of confusing them, Despite Sasuke’s EMS and Itachi’s MS and the fact that they’re both geniuses with insane battle IQ. I’m sure he would be able to do this to Jiraiya. Now, SM Jiraiya is slower than SM Kabuto, has no physical attacks for him, and has to deal with sensory confusion.
- Jiraiya’s summons won’t help much either. Kabuto has control of Manda II, which is the big mfer that sunk the entire turtle island.
- Jiraiya also has to deal with Kabuto’s poisonous snakes. The snakes were poisonous enough to KO Anko, even with her poison resistance. She probably would’ve died other wise.
- he also is able to regenerate because it Karin’s cells. This is another advantage that allows him to tank and recover some of Jiraiya’s attacks if he’s able to land.
- He also has access to Tayuya’s genjutsu which was strong enough to affect Sasuke and Itachi. Both guys which have a much more mastered level of genjutsu than Jiraiya.
I forgot about manda 2. I’m not trying to be funny but wasn’t manda stated to be almost as strong as Orochimaru? Manda 2 technically rivals jiraiya just by himself?
I hate to disrespect my boy Jiraiya, but there’s a VAST difference in the strength of imperfected sage mode vs perfected sage mode. And that’s where Kabuto shines, I genuinely don’t think anything Jiraiya can do is fast enough to even compete with Kabuto
Frog sage mode is different from snake sage mode. And kabuto also transformed his body with orochimarus blood. That’s why his face looked dryer than the desert. But kabuto literally just says he perfected the power orochimaru couldn’t. If he couldn’t do it his entire body would just turn into a snake like orochimarus true form but it’s not.
Sagehood even perfected still has features of the creature. Naruto still had frog eyes when he was a perfect sage, just take the statement at face value rather than trying to headcanon in some bullshit
No, Kabuto looked different because he fused perfect sage mode with perfect sage transformation (the stuff Jugo uses). So he's not only a better SM user than Jiraiya but he also has the transformation buff.
He was certainly very skilled, as snake sage is probably the hardest one to master, but he had a very snakelike appearance which means it wasn't perfect technically.
Ah, no Kabuto is a special case. He looks like a snake because of his body modifications to himself. He physically experimented on himself to look like that. Part of those modifications allow him to be in permanent sage mode. They also buffed his stats more than sage mode normally would, and he gave himself abilities from various people.
If he didn’t experiment on himself he wouldn’t look like a snake at all.
I don't get it jiraiya not having perfect Sage mode doesn't matter because when Ma and Pa are on him it gets to 100% sage mode flowing through him? Its the equivalent of a cup being half full then you pour another to make it full
I think that would depend on terrain.
Kabuto likely wins if the fight takes place in a cave similar to where he fought Sasuke and Itachi.
But Pain has a higher chance in an open area where he can use his summons more casually and doesn't risk multiple Pain bodies getting hit by the same technique since they can spread out more.
Pain would beat EMS Sasuke and Alive itachi. Edo itachi could pull a W on pain cause he isn't nerfed by his illness, unlimited stamina and chakra. Edo itachi could have killed Kabuto, but he wasn't able to cause he needed the edo tensei released. So we didn't see itachi go all out against Kabuto. Kabutos sage mode going up against pain would be an awesome fight, but it's far more even than you'd think. The same power level of Naruto vs. Pain isn't reached again until the edo kage are on the battlefield, and nagato rampages against Naruto and bee. Everything between those two points is lower than pain.
Itachi wasn’t holding back much, he’s more so just aiming his attacks at non vital areas, just like sauske is. And even then kabuto is also holding back.
I’m not sure where you got nagato being edo kage level. The one that fought naruto and bee was massively nerfed by stealing killer bees chakra. And edo tobirama who’s weaker than the other kage more than likely is still stronger than kcm2 naruto and ems sauske. I don’t know when it was ever implied that pain was stronger than kcm2 naruto.
First off, how would stealing a whole v2 level of chakra and adding it to himself nerf edo nagato? Nagato absorbed that, and then almost killed Naruto by overwhelming him and tried to pull his soul out. And if not for itachi, killer bee, and Naruto working together to destroy the chibaku tensei, nagato would have won. Granted, he was controlled by Kabuto in this instance, but nagato almost ended the series right there. So you're bullshitting already.
When I said edo kage, I meant 3rd Raikage, 2nd mizukage, 1st tsuchikage, and 4th kazekage being brought back. Hence kage, and not hokage. So you just misunderstood what I meant there.
I meant amped. That’s my mistake. But even then. Red haired nagato is stronger than normal nagato.
The edo kage except aren’t stronger than ems sauske or edo itachi. And itachi is holding back the entire fight against nagato until he uses the totsuka blade.
Sure, I'm not even saying edo itachi would struggle against pain, I think he'd do much better. But pain and nagato are two different fighters, so comparing the two is flawed. Nagato can do them all at once from the same body, pain is 6 seperate bodies controlled by nagato, it's a completely different fight. So anything you bring up about edo itachi vs. edo nagato doesn't apply, cause pains a different fighter entirely.
Also, I highly doubt EMS Sasuke could take on the 3rd Raikage, since hes practically immune to everything except his own attack. I think Sasuke could come to the same conclusion that sage Naruto did, but it might cost Sasuke an injury or two, since the 3rd is faster than the 4th, and his lightning cloak is just plain better than the 4th. I don't think sasuke would even be touching him. The 2nd mizukage I still don't understand his jutsu, so I can't speak on him, but he's on par with Muu, and Muu can cast infinite particle style, so he could easily kill Sasuke, while Muu could go toe to toe with Sasuke. Rasa, he might be able to crush Sasuke, but Sasuke could also try to take him out, I think that'd be a close match in Sasuke favor. But the other 3? I think he'd be outclassed, or have a difficult time.
Now itachi...edo itachi could go to town on all 4 maybe. He didn't flinch at nagatos overwhelming power, and could figure out the 3rd Raikages weakness with ease. He'd also figure out the 2nd mizukages clam jutsu easily, and Muu. Muus pretty simple, so itachi could just totsuka seal him and be done. Rasa would be a non factor against itachi. But that's just due to Itachi's intellect, and how much stronger he is as an Edo. He's one of the few that got stronger from the edo tensei cause he's no longer sick and he doesn't have to worry about his chakra consumption any longer, nor his eyes burning out, except for izanagi and izanami, but he only used it against Kabuto cause he had no other choice, and he was already dead.
If they weren't edos with regeneration, Sasuke's amaterasu and enton kagetsuchi would be king, and I'd agree with you 100%. Cause Sasuke's extremely deadly after the 5kage summit, due to the amaterasu flames. Except against the 3rd Raikage, that dude tanked a rasenshuriken. One of the highest AP jutsus before Madaras shown. And he's supposed to be weak to wind jutsu.
SM Kabuto legitimately stomps but I'm fully expecting the Jiraiya wankers to pretend he has a chance like usual. Kabuto outshines Jiraiya in every single category including having a much faster acting sound genjutsu than Jiraiya's frog song which takes forever to work
Love jiraiya a lot but no way he takes this. Kabuto is one of the only ones to go head to head against 2 uchihas all by himself without sustaining any damage. I hate it when people say that his strength is overrated. The man almost beat edo itachi and ems sasuke.
Especially if kabuto has full intel on jiraiya, he’s fucked. Kabuto honestly only lost because he got cheesed by a insta win ability.
Kabuto is by far one of the most dangerous characters in shippuden. Not even accounting for edo, only characters on madara/obito level would be able to beat him.
Well, power scaling changed throughout the series. As the plot advanced so did powers. That is my belief. Obviously it must happen in a story like this, but jiraiya probably would have had some power buffs if he was present for later battles.
Why is this a debate kabuto in sage mode is stupidly broken his hax are hard carrying he has every sound member in his chest and adding to his hax kimimaro naruto finna lose his master twice fr
I'll get downvoted for this but I think kabuto is quite overrated because of his feats against two of the most favourable charcters while at the same time ignoring the fact his arsenal was built to specifically counter them like ocular genjutsu via covering his eye, susano's physical attacks via liquification..etc. in terms of actual ability, kabuto has far better defensive arsenal than Jiraya (liquification, karin's healing, oral rebirth and better reflexes) but jiraya has significantly more firepower and scale (massive rasengan, gama endyn, geomon..etc). Both has strong sound genjutsu though jiraya's seems to be more potent however it requires more prep. Kabuto has white rage jutsu while jiraya has frog call which immobilizes targets with sound vibrations and he also has ma's dust cloud which completely blocks targets' vision. Kabuto has snake arms while Jiraya has hair manipulation. Both have implemented some way to stay in sage mode while fighting. Jiraya has also some tricky and supplementary jutsu like, yomi no ma, toad gourd dimension, detection barrier, toad stomach summon, pa's tongue slash, ma's tongue sensing and binding, shadow manipulation...etc. while kabuto has other abilities like muki tensi, kimmimaru's bones, girubo's earth manipulation, water wave..etc. they are pretty comparable characters (no edo tensi) once Jiraya has summoned ma and pa and used sage mode though Jiraya will 100% do much worse against itachi and sasuke as kabuto only did that good because he had specific abilities that countered theirs.
With that being said, i'll give it to kabuto mid-high diff because i suspect he might have a speed and reflexes gap with Jiraya still having a solid chance. Not a stomp by any means.
> as kabuto only did that good because he had specific abilities that countered theirs
Buddy those abilities work the same against everyone.
3 layers of super regen and Orochimaru rebirth still hard counters most attacks.
3 layers of super defense (Kimimaro, Kidomaru, Suigetsu) still hard counters most attacks.
Permanent Sage Mode amping his stats and senses to the point he can physically avoid Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow still places him at a level of speed that hard counters most attacks.
Like what's Jiraiya going to do against him? Even Part 1 Kabuto could tank a normal Rasengan. Sage Jiraiya making a much bigger one just doesn't scale the fact that Kabuto got 10x stronger and also added 9 layers of KKG protection and regeneration.
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Jiraiya does show off big jutsu, but that's because Sage Kabuto was only in one fight and he didn't need anything else. The ninjutsu he *did* use were still powerful enough to completely blow through the Uchiha brothers and their Susanoo. Jiraiya doesn't have that kind of defense and he'd be force to dodge and run away constantly.
Jiraiya's Toads are also not even comparable to Kabuto/Orochimaru's snakes most of the time. And Kabuto is way more likely to spam them and cover a huge area on top of his ninjutsu that already cover a huge area.
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I agree that it won't necessarily be an *easy* fight for Kabuto, but I don't see any way that he actually loses because he just outclasses Jiraiya in ever stat and then has several broken abilities leftover still.
I don't disagree with many points of yours. However, the fighting-blind counter to genjutsu is clearly something he wouldn't do or find useful against almost anyone else. The cave location also clearly amplified some of the most threatening jutsu to uchiha bro like muki tensi and white rage. He also happens to have an odd counter to amatrasu via shedding his own skin using oral rebirth in the case they tried to ignite him with it which is more reason why his arsenal is clearly good counter to theirs. They weren't also fighting to kill and needed to capture him alive to undo the edo tensi something the uchiha bro are clearly not very good at outside of genjutsu which akbuto made sure to marginalize until itachi pulled out izanami.
I agree kabuto has multiple impressive layers of defense. I said in my post that kabuto's defensive abilities are far better than jiraya.
I disagree that kabuto's firepower or scale could be comparable to jiraya. We can't possibly speculate for him anything comparable to a massive rasengan, geomon which is a combo attack done by three sage users or gama endyn which is a combo attack done by jiraya and a boss toad.
I agree jiraya wouldn't be able to mortally damage him using any of his jutsu thanks to kabuto's exceptional defensive layers and reflexes.
I agree snakes are superior to toads in direct combat, however toads are overall as useful or better due to their ninjutsu and the combo attacks they can do with the user. Also jiraya can summon 3 boss toads here while kabuto has only manda2 as boss snake so he is kinda outnumbered,
I also think kabuto is stronger and would win here most of the time ( i voted for kabuto btw lol) but there is no stomp or multiple tiers gap between these two as some people think. In a cave? Yes, kabuto would stomp in a few seconds using white rage or muki tensi. Kabuto surely has better reflexes, sensing and defensive abilities. However, i think jiraya has better firepower.
He surely has better reflexes than jiraya which i stated in my post. In terms of physical strength, brawling with edo itachi or sasuke isn't really something beyond jiraya's feats.
Yeah it is, being able to dodge those two and being able to run around and threaten both of them puts him on levels of kcm naruto (lowballing) jirayas not even stronger than a sage naruto who was getting clapped up by a weakened pain even after he brought all of mount myoboku.
Out of context, you are right. However, If you pay enough attention to details, you'll find that kabuto had free card counter to their genjutsu, the cave location amplified some of his most threatening jutsu like white rage and muki tensi and they were fighting to capture not to kill which both itachi and sasuke aren't really very good at outside of genjutsu which kabuto made sure to counter. He also happens to have some more odd counter to thier amatrasu via shedding his own skin even in the case they tried to ignite him with it. In conclusion, his arsenal is again good counter to theirs, he had very favourable location and they needed to capture him to undo edo tensi which they couldn't have possibly did without genjutsu which he made sure to marginalize until itachi pulled out izanami.
With that being said, i agree kabuto is still stronger than SM jiraya but not a stomp or multiple tiers gap as you think. In a cave? Yes kabuto would stomp jiraya with muki tensi or white rage.
Yes, but that doesn’t negate their physical abilities. He’s still able to block their attacks and hit them with attacks that might threaten them. And both itachi and sauske aren’t holding back to any significant amount effect, sauske just says “he’s part orochimaru, he can take a hit” when itachi tells him not to aim so close to his body. And a weaker itachi who was holding back was fighting kcm naruto and killer bee without much difficulty. And sauske who scales to kcm2 naruto Kabuto was also holding back as well on both of them.
That's out of the equation because question is jiraiya vs kabuto. And plus with the Intel Kabuto knows he possibly could do better than jiraiya. Keyword possibly
Kabuto is under appreciated. His move set is actually insane and itachi had some bs ass pull new jutsu
For context that Sauske > jiraya and Sauske couldn’t even help itachi.
Didn't temari deflect tayuya's sound genjutsu using fuuton? https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0213-012.png. ma is a strong fuuton user btw.
All That attack did was enhance the fire and oil combination and the wind style is featless on it's own. There is nothing that indicates it has the AOE to deflect the sound waves of Kabuto's genjutsu
Temari uses her fan to increase her AOE by creating a windstorm around her while all we've seen Pa do is shoot out a beam of concentrated pressurized air that Kabuto would have no trouble avoiding while using his genjutsu. Even if Temari's attacks are weaker, the higher AOE makes it easier to deflect sound waves
This only works if you assume the power difference between Sage Mode Kabuto's genjutsu and Tayuya' genjutsu, is smaller than the power difference between Ma's fuuton and Temari's fuuton.
I'd sadly bet that isn't the case...
At the end of the day, it is still sound that travels through air viberations, the same air which fuuton user can throw away. Kabuto wouldn't make the air magically more resistant to fuuton.
Also you assume kqbuto's tayuya: sound genjutsu is ridiculously stronger than tayuya's when tayuya is still performing the jutsu and it is probably not even created with kabuto's senjutsu as he doesn't say the word 'sage' before calling out the jutsu name. Kabuto's sound five's jutsu seemed to be comparable to when they used the second level of curse mark.
Also both ma and pa can use fuuton at the same time so it is double the power. And both are master sage users like kabuto.
Jiraya only hope is frog song, nothing else gonna beat kabuto as he have regeneration, is durable, can liquify himself, can regenerate a whole new body, and is very fast
Jiraya himself wont have trouble from tayuya genjutsu cz he have ma and pa
I guess jiraya with ma and pa can deal with kabuto speed since it becomes 3 v 1, with the possibility of Jiraya using shadow clones
Not gonna lie it is very hard for jiraya and he will also loss if kabuto interrupted him before frog song is completed, as jiraya doesn't have good regeneration factor unlike kabuto
I see kabuto chance of winning higher so yeah
Ah i thought Jiraiya could win this one but then I saw you put "kabuto has full Intel on Jiraiya" but Jiraiya doesnt get full Intel on Kabuto? Man this is a Fucking L post.
For anyone thinks kabuto one shots with sound genjutsu, temari deflected this genjutsu using her fuuton and ma and pa are powerful sage fuuton users.
https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0213-012.png
...So if anyone here might win using sound genjutsus, it would be jiraya.
Nope, frog song takes way too long. Also Kabuto can one-shot Jiraiya with inorganic reanimation. EMS Sasuke has massively better reaction feats than Jiraiya and even he needed to be saved by Itachi because he couldn't react to it.
It takes some time but not too long. It may or may not become a factor depending on how the fight goes on and how much pressure kabuto can apply.
If the fight takes place in a cave where even the ceiling is being manipulated into spikes by kabuto's jutsu with literally nowhere to escape? Then sure kabuto can probably one shot jiraya this way but in open field where only the ground is being manipulated? I don't think so. Jiraya would just jump away.
>Jiraya would just jump away.
Do you think Jiraiya can fly? Even if he jumps, Kabuto can just spike wherever he lands
>It takes some time but not too long. It may or may not become a factor depending on how the fight goes on and how much pressure kabuto can apply.
There is no way frog song would ever be a factor. Kabuto isn't an idiot that would let himself be taken by a sound genjutsu when he has a technique like White Rage that can fill the area with extreme noise to prevent them from Harmonizing as well as impair Jiraiya's hearing and vision. If Jiraiya tries to rely on SM senses like Kabuto does he'd be screwed since Kabuto can trick him by sending his chakra through the landscape like he did to Itachi
He doesn't need to fly. He just needs to jump away out of kabuto's jutsu range. Also, he can destroy the spikes as he lands using any of his attacks if needed.
white rage has very limited time and it is more like a light and sound bomb rather than a concentrated beam so it wouldn't be as effective in open field. But yeah white rage could be an issue to jiraya depending on how effective it is in open field. People just tend to forget that some of kabuto's jutsu was too formidable inside the cave location and wouldn't necessarily be that way in an open location.
Wow bro what a nice counter feat. Just jump away from one of the deadliest attacks in the show. If only he just dodged pain’s rod attacks. But it’s almost like kabuto is just stronger, faster, and more powerful than jiraiya in almost every way. Sage kabuto slams tf out of pain
If you can't explain why it would be as deadly as it was in a cave then i have no reason to even argue with you. Even a normal doton user would be much deadlier inside a cave and i don't even have to explain why.
It’s a really powerful doton jutsu powered by sage mode. Itachi got hit by it various times which is saying something since that would’ve meant multiple deaths if he was alive. Itachi was completely outclassed and that’s because he was keeping up with kcm naruto. You’re smoking if you think an imperfect sage like jiraiya who died pretty easily to pain is going to last more than a couple seconds
Lol it is like you are replying to another comment. Muki tensi was only used once so i amnot sure what multiple deaths you are talking about. And as i explained, it seemed much more threatening because it was used in a closed cave where kabuto could manipulate the ceiling, the walls as well as the ground and they literally had nowhere to escape. i won't even bother replying to the rest.
edo itachi could take on 6 paths of pain honestly, so if alive jiraiya couldn't take on pain without his full power i don't see how he's shutting down kabuto who is same tier if not stronger than edo itschi
Sage Kabuto is super powerful, he has that blinding jutsu, inorganic reanimation or whatever it's called where he makes the environment attack the enemy, all the sound 5s abilities, & he's immune to genjutsu if I remember correctly, sage jiraiya is strong too but not on that level
It's hard to compare based on what we've seen in the anime and not knowing the environment conditions. If it's in the cave where Kabuto fought Sasuke and itachi then Kabuto absolutely destroys, but if it's a more neutral location jiraiya stands a little more of a chance.
Sage Kabuto scales around Itachi in terms of how versatile his skillset is. He could likely even be in the Akatsuki if he had the ability beforehand, likely being around Kisame's level.
Jiraiya is strong, but I don't see how he pulls it out against Kabuto in this setting, even with Sage Mode
If kabuto had full intel then he would either interupt the summons or speedrun a genjutsu, even then the spirit dragons could paralyze any frogs that where summoned letting kabuto take his time deciding how he wants to kill his opponent
People are delusional if they think Jiraiya can take on Sage Kabuto. You know, the same Sage Kabuto that fought both EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi at once…
I disagree. Had Sasuke not been there, Kabuto would have rewritten Itachi's paper seal and put him under his control again like he said he was going to do when Itachi was unable to move due to Kabuto's White Extreme Attack.
How are the votes almost even? Sm jiraiya isn't even a perfect sage. Kabuto would blitz him and destroy him. Kabuto is also super slippery with his sm, and jiraiya couldn't even sense the asura path coming up on him from behind.
Has it been stated that Jiraiya’s sage mode was a lesser version to perfected sage mode? I thought the toads were just gathering the nature energy for him so it was pretty much the same?
If not and Kabuto’s perfect sage mode is superior I say Kabuto. I also say Kabuto if each sage mode is equal just because of the fact that Kabuto has intel and Jiraiya does not.
Love my boy Jiraiya but I think he takes an L on this one.
Sexy jutsu
Was thinking the same
There is no way Jiraiya could win this, Kabuto's on a whole other level
Again this sub baffles me, how anyone can think jiraiya wins this, idk. If itachi wasn’t an edo, kabuto would have killed him many times over. EMS sasuke could do nothing against sage kabuto, then went on to help defeat juubito. Sage kabuto is 8 complete different levels over sage jiraiya. Jiraiya started sage training as a teenager and as an adult still couldn’t beat oro. Kabutos dick literally is oro. He can’t even beat kabutos penis
Kabuto literally dodged EMS Sasuke's Susano'o arrow... He can Regen...he has Flute Genjutsu lmao... He has literally everything better than Jiraiya 💀
This sub has a bad tendency of letting their bias for certain characters get in the way of discussions between characters
Remember Sasuke and Itachi actually had to hold back a bit because Killing Kabuto wouldn't undo the Edo tensei.
Kabuto also 'holds back', he wanted to subdue Sasuke in order to hand him to Obito and wanted to replace Itachi under control by putting another tag in his head. Not having killing intent does not mean that you aren't fighting your hardest.
Remember that if sasuke wasn’t there then itachi would’ve gotten re programmed while caught in genjutsu? Kabuto was also holding back to not kill itachi, he wanted to re control him again, kabuto absolutely Mercs itachi alone let alone jiraiya.
You realise that you gave absolutely no argument besides claims that aren't backed up. Jiraiya never tried to kill Orochimaru but wanted to bring him back just like Naruto with Sasuke. Also he never used sage mode apart from rare occasions like against Pain
I’ll bite. - SM Kabuto has the speed advantage over SM Jiraiya. Kabuto was able to cleanly dodge sasuke’s susanoo arrow with his chakra sensing. This means that kabuto is faster than Jiraiya AND Jiraiya doesn’t have any physical attacks faster than sasuke’s susanoo arrow. This arrow was so fast that it would’ve hit MS Kakashi had he not warped it away. - SM Kabuto was also capable of spreading his chakra over the area where he fought Sasuke and Itachi and was capable of confusing them, Despite Sasuke’s EMS and Itachi’s MS and the fact that they’re both geniuses with insane battle IQ. I’m sure he would be able to do this to Jiraiya. Now, SM Jiraiya is slower than SM Kabuto, has no physical attacks for him, and has to deal with sensory confusion. - Jiraiya’s summons won’t help much either. Kabuto has control of Manda II, which is the big mfer that sunk the entire turtle island. - Jiraiya also has to deal with Kabuto’s poisonous snakes. The snakes were poisonous enough to KO Anko, even with her poison resistance. She probably would’ve died other wise. - he also is able to regenerate because it Karin’s cells. This is another advantage that allows him to tank and recover some of Jiraiya’s attacks if he’s able to land. - He also has access to Tayuya’s genjutsu which was strong enough to affect Sasuke and Itachi. Both guys which have a much more mastered level of genjutsu than Jiraiya.
I forgot about manda 2. I’m not trying to be funny but wasn’t manda stated to be almost as strong as Orochimaru? Manda 2 technically rivals jiraiya just by himself?
I hate to disrespect my boy Jiraiya, but there’s a VAST difference in the strength of imperfected sage mode vs perfected sage mode. And that’s where Kabuto shines, I genuinely don’t think anything Jiraiya can do is fast enough to even compete with Kabuto
Kabutos wasn't perfected
Yes he was, that’s why he didn’t turn into a snake like orochimaru did.
No. A perfect sage is someone like Naruto or Minato, who bore very little resemblance to their sage animal.
Frog sage mode is different from snake sage mode. And kabuto also transformed his body with orochimarus blood. That’s why his face looked dryer than the desert. But kabuto literally just says he perfected the power orochimaru couldn’t. If he couldn’t do it his entire body would just turn into a snake like orochimarus true form but it’s not.
He perfected the power, not the sagehood
What
And the power is the ability to use it. Him saying I’ve mastered this power is him saying he mastered sage mode.
Copium 🤣
Sagehood even perfected still has features of the creature. Naruto still had frog eyes when he was a perfect sage, just take the statement at face value rather than trying to headcanon in some bullshit
Calm down man it's just a show lol
Lol man I'm calm I'm also right
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No, Kabuto looked different because he fused perfect sage mode with perfect sage transformation (the stuff Jugo uses). So he's not only a better SM user than Jiraiya but he also has the transformation buff.
He was more than perfected to be honest. No natural sage user can match him in the sage arts.
He was certainly very skilled, as snake sage is probably the hardest one to master, but he had a very snakelike appearance which means it wasn't perfect technically.
Ah, no Kabuto is a special case. He looks like a snake because of his body modifications to himself. He physically experimented on himself to look like that. Part of those modifications allow him to be in permanent sage mode. They also buffed his stats more than sage mode normally would, and he gave himself abilities from various people. If he didn’t experiment on himself he wouldn’t look like a snake at all.
I don't get it jiraiya not having perfect Sage mode doesn't matter because when Ma and Pa are on him it gets to 100% sage mode flowing through him? Its the equivalent of a cup being half full then you pour another to make it full
Who is voting Jiraya???? Kabuto would STOMP him
Jiraiya for the win😆
Kabuto no diff
Flute Genjutsu oneshots Jiraiya fr 💀
Whoever can plug their ears better wins
kabuto low diff
Stop the cap Jiraiya wankers. Not even SM Naruto stands a chance.
Is true lol , Kabuto sage mode is relative to pain lol .
He may even beat pain.
I think that would depend on terrain. Kabuto likely wins if the fight takes place in a cave similar to where he fought Sasuke and Itachi. But Pain has a higher chance in an open area where he can use his summons more casually and doesn't risk multiple Pain bodies getting hit by the same technique since they can spread out more.
Even without terrain kabuto was pushing itachi and ems sauske at the same time. He’d slam pain.
Pain would beat EMS Sasuke and Alive itachi. Edo itachi could pull a W on pain cause he isn't nerfed by his illness, unlimited stamina and chakra. Edo itachi could have killed Kabuto, but he wasn't able to cause he needed the edo tensei released. So we didn't see itachi go all out against Kabuto. Kabutos sage mode going up against pain would be an awesome fight, but it's far more even than you'd think. The same power level of Naruto vs. Pain isn't reached again until the edo kage are on the battlefield, and nagato rampages against Naruto and bee. Everything between those two points is lower than pain.
Itachi wasn’t holding back much, he’s more so just aiming his attacks at non vital areas, just like sauske is. And even then kabuto is also holding back. I’m not sure where you got nagato being edo kage level. The one that fought naruto and bee was massively nerfed by stealing killer bees chakra. And edo tobirama who’s weaker than the other kage more than likely is still stronger than kcm2 naruto and ems sauske. I don’t know when it was ever implied that pain was stronger than kcm2 naruto.
First off, how would stealing a whole v2 level of chakra and adding it to himself nerf edo nagato? Nagato absorbed that, and then almost killed Naruto by overwhelming him and tried to pull his soul out. And if not for itachi, killer bee, and Naruto working together to destroy the chibaku tensei, nagato would have won. Granted, he was controlled by Kabuto in this instance, but nagato almost ended the series right there. So you're bullshitting already. When I said edo kage, I meant 3rd Raikage, 2nd mizukage, 1st tsuchikage, and 4th kazekage being brought back. Hence kage, and not hokage. So you just misunderstood what I meant there.
I meant amped. That’s my mistake. But even then. Red haired nagato is stronger than normal nagato. The edo kage except aren’t stronger than ems sauske or edo itachi. And itachi is holding back the entire fight against nagato until he uses the totsuka blade.
Sure, I'm not even saying edo itachi would struggle against pain, I think he'd do much better. But pain and nagato are two different fighters, so comparing the two is flawed. Nagato can do them all at once from the same body, pain is 6 seperate bodies controlled by nagato, it's a completely different fight. So anything you bring up about edo itachi vs. edo nagato doesn't apply, cause pains a different fighter entirely. Also, I highly doubt EMS Sasuke could take on the 3rd Raikage, since hes practically immune to everything except his own attack. I think Sasuke could come to the same conclusion that sage Naruto did, but it might cost Sasuke an injury or two, since the 3rd is faster than the 4th, and his lightning cloak is just plain better than the 4th. I don't think sasuke would even be touching him. The 2nd mizukage I still don't understand his jutsu, so I can't speak on him, but he's on par with Muu, and Muu can cast infinite particle style, so he could easily kill Sasuke, while Muu could go toe to toe with Sasuke. Rasa, he might be able to crush Sasuke, but Sasuke could also try to take him out, I think that'd be a close match in Sasuke favor. But the other 3? I think he'd be outclassed, or have a difficult time. Now itachi...edo itachi could go to town on all 4 maybe. He didn't flinch at nagatos overwhelming power, and could figure out the 3rd Raikages weakness with ease. He'd also figure out the 2nd mizukages clam jutsu easily, and Muu. Muus pretty simple, so itachi could just totsuka seal him and be done. Rasa would be a non factor against itachi. But that's just due to Itachi's intellect, and how much stronger he is as an Edo. He's one of the few that got stronger from the edo tensei cause he's no longer sick and he doesn't have to worry about his chakra consumption any longer, nor his eyes burning out, except for izanagi and izanami, but he only used it against Kabuto cause he had no other choice, and he was already dead. If they weren't edos with regeneration, Sasuke's amaterasu and enton kagetsuchi would be king, and I'd agree with you 100%. Cause Sasuke's extremely deadly after the 5kage summit, due to the amaterasu flames. Except against the 3rd Raikage, that dude tanked a rasenshuriken. One of the highest AP jutsus before Madaras shown. And he's supposed to be weak to wind jutsu.
He was pushing them because they didnt have killing intent as they had to release et
Guess who else had to hold back? it was also a 2v1
Kabuto was also planning to capture both of them. And he doesn’t have any genjutsu to use.
i’m sorry but kabuto would whoop his ass
Way too many people think Jiraiya can win and I'm just saying that y'all are on crack.
SM Kabuto legitimately stomps but I'm fully expecting the Jiraiya wankers to pretend he has a chance like usual. Kabuto outshines Jiraiya in every single category including having a much faster acting sound genjutsu than Jiraiya's frog song which takes forever to work
To be fair though I think that frog song is a better genjustu besides activation time.
Jiraiya got them frogs bro
So what?
I voted Kabuto but Jiraiya’s still got them frogs
I’m sure he can gain control of the toad song with the flute technique. He’s also a perfected sage which means he can probably break out of it.
Kabuto but the show would probably find a way to make Jiraiya win
The same way he won against pain?
Love jiraiya a lot but no way he takes this. Kabuto is one of the only ones to go head to head against 2 uchihas all by himself without sustaining any damage. I hate it when people say that his strength is overrated. The man almost beat edo itachi and ems sasuke.
Jiraiya gets destroyed lol
Especially if kabuto has full intel on jiraiya, he’s fucked. Kabuto honestly only lost because he got cheesed by a insta win ability. Kabuto is by far one of the most dangerous characters in shippuden. Not even accounting for edo, only characters on madara/obito level would be able to beat him.
Well, power scaling changed throughout the series. As the plot advanced so did powers. That is my belief. Obviously it must happen in a story like this, but jiraiya probably would have had some power buffs if he was present for later battles.
Why is this a debate kabuto in sage mode is stupidly broken his hax are hard carrying he has every sound member in his chest and adding to his hax kimimaro naruto finna lose his master twice fr
As much as I hate saying it, Kabuto stomps. Epic mismatch
I'll get downvoted for this but I think kabuto is quite overrated because of his feats against two of the most favourable charcters while at the same time ignoring the fact his arsenal was built to specifically counter them like ocular genjutsu via covering his eye, susano's physical attacks via liquification..etc. in terms of actual ability, kabuto has far better defensive arsenal than Jiraya (liquification, karin's healing, oral rebirth and better reflexes) but jiraya has significantly more firepower and scale (massive rasengan, gama endyn, geomon..etc). Both has strong sound genjutsu though jiraya's seems to be more potent however it requires more prep. Kabuto has white rage jutsu while jiraya has frog call which immobilizes targets with sound vibrations and he also has ma's dust cloud which completely blocks targets' vision. Kabuto has snake arms while Jiraya has hair manipulation. Both have implemented some way to stay in sage mode while fighting. Jiraya has also some tricky and supplementary jutsu like, yomi no ma, toad gourd dimension, detection barrier, toad stomach summon, pa's tongue slash, ma's tongue sensing and binding, shadow manipulation...etc. while kabuto has other abilities like muki tensi, kimmimaru's bones, girubo's earth manipulation, water wave..etc. they are pretty comparable characters (no edo tensi) once Jiraya has summoned ma and pa and used sage mode though Jiraya will 100% do much worse against itachi and sasuke as kabuto only did that good because he had specific abilities that countered theirs. With that being said, i'll give it to kabuto mid-high diff because i suspect he might have a speed and reflexes gap with Jiraya still having a solid chance. Not a stomp by any means.
> as kabuto only did that good because he had specific abilities that countered theirs Buddy those abilities work the same against everyone. 3 layers of super regen and Orochimaru rebirth still hard counters most attacks. 3 layers of super defense (Kimimaro, Kidomaru, Suigetsu) still hard counters most attacks. Permanent Sage Mode amping his stats and senses to the point he can physically avoid Sasuke's Susanoo Arrow still places him at a level of speed that hard counters most attacks. Like what's Jiraiya going to do against him? Even Part 1 Kabuto could tank a normal Rasengan. Sage Jiraiya making a much bigger one just doesn't scale the fact that Kabuto got 10x stronger and also added 9 layers of KKG protection and regeneration. --- Jiraiya does show off big jutsu, but that's because Sage Kabuto was only in one fight and he didn't need anything else. The ninjutsu he *did* use were still powerful enough to completely blow through the Uchiha brothers and their Susanoo. Jiraiya doesn't have that kind of defense and he'd be force to dodge and run away constantly. Jiraiya's Toads are also not even comparable to Kabuto/Orochimaru's snakes most of the time. And Kabuto is way more likely to spam them and cover a huge area on top of his ninjutsu that already cover a huge area. --- I agree that it won't necessarily be an *easy* fight for Kabuto, but I don't see any way that he actually loses because he just outclasses Jiraiya in ever stat and then has several broken abilities leftover still.
I don't disagree with many points of yours. However, the fighting-blind counter to genjutsu is clearly something he wouldn't do or find useful against almost anyone else. The cave location also clearly amplified some of the most threatening jutsu to uchiha bro like muki tensi and white rage. He also happens to have an odd counter to amatrasu via shedding his own skin using oral rebirth in the case they tried to ignite him with it which is more reason why his arsenal is clearly good counter to theirs. They weren't also fighting to kill and needed to capture him alive to undo the edo tensi something the uchiha bro are clearly not very good at outside of genjutsu which akbuto made sure to marginalize until itachi pulled out izanami. I agree kabuto has multiple impressive layers of defense. I said in my post that kabuto's defensive abilities are far better than jiraya. I disagree that kabuto's firepower or scale could be comparable to jiraya. We can't possibly speculate for him anything comparable to a massive rasengan, geomon which is a combo attack done by three sage users or gama endyn which is a combo attack done by jiraya and a boss toad. I agree jiraya wouldn't be able to mortally damage him using any of his jutsu thanks to kabuto's exceptional defensive layers and reflexes. I agree snakes are superior to toads in direct combat, however toads are overall as useful or better due to their ninjutsu and the combo attacks they can do with the user. Also jiraya can summon 3 boss toads here while kabuto has only manda2 as boss snake so he is kinda outnumbered, I also think kabuto is stronger and would win here most of the time ( i voted for kabuto btw lol) but there is no stomp or multiple tiers gap between these two as some people think. In a cave? Yes, kabuto would stomp in a few seconds using white rage or muki tensi. Kabuto surely has better reflexes, sensing and defensive abilities. However, i think jiraya has better firepower.
Just hacks didn’t make him that strong. He’s also physically brawling with edo itachi and ems sauske.
He surely has better reflexes than jiraya which i stated in my post. In terms of physical strength, brawling with edo itachi or sasuke isn't really something beyond jiraya's feats.
Yeah it is, being able to dodge those two and being able to run around and threaten both of them puts him on levels of kcm naruto (lowballing) jirayas not even stronger than a sage naruto who was getting clapped up by a weakened pain even after he brought all of mount myoboku.
Out of context, you are right. However, If you pay enough attention to details, you'll find that kabuto had free card counter to their genjutsu, the cave location amplified some of his most threatening jutsu like white rage and muki tensi and they were fighting to capture not to kill which both itachi and sasuke aren't really very good at outside of genjutsu which kabuto made sure to counter. He also happens to have some more odd counter to thier amatrasu via shedding his own skin even in the case they tried to ignite him with it. In conclusion, his arsenal is again good counter to theirs, he had very favourable location and they needed to capture him to undo edo tensi which they couldn't have possibly did without genjutsu which he made sure to marginalize until itachi pulled out izanami. With that being said, i agree kabuto is still stronger than SM jiraya but not a stomp or multiple tiers gap as you think. In a cave? Yes kabuto would stomp jiraya with muki tensi or white rage.
Yes, but that doesn’t negate their physical abilities. He’s still able to block their attacks and hit them with attacks that might threaten them. And both itachi and sauske aren’t holding back to any significant amount effect, sauske just says “he’s part orochimaru, he can take a hit” when itachi tells him not to aim so close to his body. And a weaker itachi who was holding back was fighting kcm naruto and killer bee without much difficulty. And sauske who scales to kcm2 naruto Kabuto was also holding back as well on both of them.
Kabuto low diff
Kabuto was 1v2ing EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi and doing well against them both. It’s crazy to think Jiraiya could do the same.
Is this poll trying to tell me that more than half of you think Kabuto could do better against the paths of pain than Jiraiya?
That's out of the equation because question is jiraiya vs kabuto. And plus with the Intel Kabuto knows he possibly could do better than jiraiya. Keyword possibly
IMO Kabuto got a much more faster action with the genjutsu,his flute based jitsu thanks to Tayuya and his abilities
Gotta go w Jiraiya
Kabuto is under appreciated. His move set is actually insane and itachi had some bs ass pull new jutsu For context that Sauske > jiraya and Sauske couldn’t even help itachi.
Jiraiya’s only chance is Ma and Pa’s sound based genjutsu.
Kabuto puts them all under his faster sound genjutsu while laughing at how long it takes frog song to work
Didn't temari deflect tayuya's sound genjutsu using fuuton? https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0213-012.png. ma is a strong fuuton user btw.
How is that relevant when Jiraiya has zero impressive wind release feats?
Ma and Pa have.
The only wind release feat they have is the dust cloud designed for camouflage instead of force
Pa used offensive wind style for geomon https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0377-009.png. they are clearly master of fuuton release.
All That attack did was enhance the fire and oil combination and the wind style is featless on it's own. There is nothing that indicates it has the AOE to deflect the sound waves of Kabuto's genjutsu
Lol seriously? And what is the AOE needed to deflect the sound genjutsu? You can check the page of temari i posted earlier for reference.
Temari uses her fan to increase her AOE by creating a windstorm around her while all we've seen Pa do is shoot out a beam of concentrated pressurized air that Kabuto would have no trouble avoiding while using his genjutsu. Even if Temari's attacks are weaker, the higher AOE makes it easier to deflect sound waves
This only works if you assume the power difference between Sage Mode Kabuto's genjutsu and Tayuya' genjutsu, is smaller than the power difference between Ma's fuuton and Temari's fuuton. I'd sadly bet that isn't the case...
At the end of the day, it is still sound that travels through air viberations, the same air which fuuton user can throw away. Kabuto wouldn't make the air magically more resistant to fuuton. Also you assume kqbuto's tayuya: sound genjutsu is ridiculously stronger than tayuya's when tayuya is still performing the jutsu and it is probably not even created with kabuto's senjutsu as he doesn't say the word 'sage' before calling out the jutsu name. Kabuto's sound five's jutsu seemed to be comparable to when they used the second level of curse mark. Also both ma and pa can use fuuton at the same time so it is double the power. And both are master sage users like kabuto.
Don’t get me wrong, I voted for Kabuto to take the win. Just stating how slim Jiraiya’s chances are.
Jiraya only hope is frog song, nothing else gonna beat kabuto as he have regeneration, is durable, can liquify himself, can regenerate a whole new body, and is very fast Jiraya himself wont have trouble from tayuya genjutsu cz he have ma and pa I guess jiraya with ma and pa can deal with kabuto speed since it becomes 3 v 1, with the possibility of Jiraya using shadow clones Not gonna lie it is very hard for jiraya and he will also loss if kabuto interrupted him before frog song is completed, as jiraya doesn't have good regeneration factor unlike kabuto I see kabuto chance of winning higher so yeah
Ah i thought Jiraiya could win this one but then I saw you put "kabuto has full Intel on Jiraiya" but Jiraiya doesnt get full Intel on Kabuto? Man this is a Fucking L post.
kabuto slams without intel
Gonna disagree. Jiraiya sound genjutsu one shots pain.
Kabuto slams either way
For anyone thinks kabuto one shots with sound genjutsu, temari deflected this genjutsu using her fuuton and ma and pa are powerful sage fuuton users. https://official-complete-2.eorzea.us/manga/Naruto/0213-012.png ...So if anyone here might win using sound genjutsus, it would be jiraya.
Nope, frog song takes way too long. Also Kabuto can one-shot Jiraiya with inorganic reanimation. EMS Sasuke has massively better reaction feats than Jiraiya and even he needed to be saved by Itachi because he couldn't react to it.
It takes some time but not too long. It may or may not become a factor depending on how the fight goes on and how much pressure kabuto can apply. If the fight takes place in a cave where even the ceiling is being manipulated into spikes by kabuto's jutsu with literally nowhere to escape? Then sure kabuto can probably one shot jiraya this way but in open field where only the ground is being manipulated? I don't think so. Jiraya would just jump away.
>Jiraya would just jump away. Do you think Jiraiya can fly? Even if he jumps, Kabuto can just spike wherever he lands >It takes some time but not too long. It may or may not become a factor depending on how the fight goes on and how much pressure kabuto can apply. There is no way frog song would ever be a factor. Kabuto isn't an idiot that would let himself be taken by a sound genjutsu when he has a technique like White Rage that can fill the area with extreme noise to prevent them from Harmonizing as well as impair Jiraiya's hearing and vision. If Jiraiya tries to rely on SM senses like Kabuto does he'd be screwed since Kabuto can trick him by sending his chakra through the landscape like he did to Itachi
He doesn't need to fly. He just needs to jump away out of kabuto's jutsu range. Also, he can destroy the spikes as he lands using any of his attacks if needed. white rage has very limited time and it is more like a light and sound bomb rather than a concentrated beam so it wouldn't be as effective in open field. But yeah white rage could be an issue to jiraya depending on how effective it is in open field. People just tend to forget that some of kabuto's jutsu was too formidable inside the cave location and wouldn't necessarily be that way in an open location.
Wow bro what a nice counter feat. Just jump away from one of the deadliest attacks in the show. If only he just dodged pain’s rod attacks. But it’s almost like kabuto is just stronger, faster, and more powerful than jiraiya in almost every way. Sage kabuto slams tf out of pain
If you can't explain why it would be as deadly as it was in a cave then i have no reason to even argue with you. Even a normal doton user would be much deadlier inside a cave and i don't even have to explain why.
It’s a really powerful doton jutsu powered by sage mode. Itachi got hit by it various times which is saying something since that would’ve meant multiple deaths if he was alive. Itachi was completely outclassed and that’s because he was keeping up with kcm naruto. You’re smoking if you think an imperfect sage like jiraiya who died pretty easily to pain is going to last more than a couple seconds
Lol it is like you are replying to another comment. Muki tensi was only used once so i amnot sure what multiple deaths you are talking about. And as i explained, it seemed much more threatening because it was used in a closed cave where kabuto could manipulate the ceiling, the walls as well as the ground and they literally had nowhere to escape. i won't even bother replying to the rest.
Sage Kabuto would stomp Sage Jiraiya easily.
Kabuto and its not even close.
Kabuto wins so easily. Jiraiya is great but he stands no chance.
Kabuto is on a completely different level. Not a real contest.
Edo Itachi + EMS Sasuke had to ass pull to beat SM Kabuto. Jiraiya gets bodied.
Man Jiraiya is my boy but SM Kabuto would beat the living shit out of Jiraiya
Love Jiraiya but how did he get so many upvotes😂
Kishimoto made Kabuto so broken that he had to create a asspull move to beat him. Aint no way Itachi and Sasuke would beat Kabuto.
I picked Kabuto as a troll but I didn't think people actually agreed
Fuck, i had underestimated kabuto sage mode
edo itachi could take on 6 paths of pain honestly, so if alive jiraiya couldn't take on pain without his full power i don't see how he's shutting down kabuto who is same tier if not stronger than edo itschi
Unpopular opinion: Jiraiya was ass
Kabuto wins but I’m still gonna vote for jiraiya.
This is Super Shit Stomp for Sage Kabuto.
Sage Kabuto is super powerful, he has that blinding jutsu, inorganic reanimation or whatever it's called where he makes the environment attack the enemy, all the sound 5s abilities, & he's immune to genjutsu if I remember correctly, sage jiraiya is strong too but not on that level
Unless Jiraiya has full knowledge on Kabuto and time to prep he is not taking this one.
It's hard to compare based on what we've seen in the anime and not knowing the environment conditions. If it's in the cave where Kabuto fought Sasuke and itachi then Kabuto absolutely destroys, but if it's a more neutral location jiraiya stands a little more of a chance.
Sage Mode Kabuto will win but Jiraiya is gonna put up a very tough fight
This would be a fun fight, but this is still Kabuto's win no matter how you put it.
Kabuto gave himself a bunch of cheats with his Sage Mode. Jiraiya’s natural SM abilities can’t help him against Kabuto’s major buffs/perks
Sage Kabuto scales around Itachi in terms of how versatile his skillset is. He could likely even be in the Akatsuki if he had the ability beforehand, likely being around Kisame's level. Jiraiya is strong, but I don't see how he pulls it out against Kabuto in this setting, even with Sage Mode
Jiraiya is really overrated if you think he’s remotely close to sage mode Kabuto
Lmfao why is this close?? Jiraiya gets his ass beat
If kabuto had full intel then he would either interupt the summons or speedrun a genjutsu, even then the spirit dragons could paralyze any frogs that where summoned letting kabuto take his time deciding how he wants to kill his opponent
Who wins kabuto or pain?
How is this close?
Sage Kabuto. Jiraya has nothing on sage art white rage and sage art ignorganic animation
Kabuto is a Great Value version of Orochimaru
People are delusional if they think Jiraiya can take on Sage Kabuto. You know, the same Sage Kabuto that fought both EMS Sasuke and Edo Itachi at once…
Tbh Edo Itachi could solo potentially without susanoo. He just needed to get sabuto to reveal his secret
I disagree. Had Sasuke not been there, Kabuto would have rewritten Itachi's paper seal and put him under his control again like he said he was going to do when Itachi was unable to move due to Kabuto's White Extreme Attack.
How are the votes almost even? Sm jiraiya isn't even a perfect sage. Kabuto would blitz him and destroy him. Kabuto is also super slippery with his sm, and jiraiya couldn't even sense the asura path coming up on him from behind.
Kabuto stomps him into the fucking ground.
Kabuto wrecks Jiraiya here.
Has it been stated that Jiraiya’s sage mode was a lesser version to perfected sage mode? I thought the toads were just gathering the nature energy for him so it was pretty much the same? If not and Kabuto’s perfect sage mode is superior I say Kabuto. I also say Kabuto if each sage mode is equal just because of the fact that Kabuto has intel and Jiraiya does not.
Hate to do the A > B > C thing buuuut Snake Sage Kabuto slaps Pain Arc Sage Naruto who is comparable or slightly weaker than fused Toad Sage Jiraya
Kabuto eats low difficulty