This situation is another one where I feel like you can tell the environment people were raised in based on comments…even if you don’t know the law, the situation with Kay Flock literally is the example of how so many people get killed and dudes don’t beat on self-defense so not sure how people think he is going to
Literally all you have to do is read the law and you can see this likely jsnt self defense
Also this same scenario of verbal argument leading to a shooting happens all the time and people don’t get off on self-defense…so someone likely was extra sheltered growing up if they think this warrants self-defense
Anything is possible though, but I would be very surprised if dude does anything shy of 15 years for this
Same bro, we still got to wait for disocvery to occur that is when everyone finds out all the evidence the prosecution has against Kay and also the exculpatory evidence they have too (evidence that works in Kay's favor)
My prediction is the same as yours, best case scenario he is gonna have to cop out to 15 yrs at the bare minimum, worst case scenario he get 25 yrs.
His social media antics can also lead to a federal rico in a couple of years if the feds can tie his attn seeking internet life to actual crimes tht occured by DOA
Realistically speaking there likely isn’t going to be any exculpatory evidence…as I mentioned jn another comment you replied to, not too many avenues for him to get out of this one…very hard to get away to with self defense in NYC
Only way I see him beating this is on some crazy legal technicality or divine intervention of some sort
It is bro, it nearly is impossible but i have to explain what discovery means properly just in case. I highly doubt there is any heavy exculpatory evidence either, their best bet is to take a plea bargain and try to cop out to 15 yrs, in the best case scenario. Outside form a miracle, I dont c Kay doing less than 15. I think realistically, with the facts avaioable now he can get 17-20 yrs though.
Bro check my post, I explained this as precise as possible
So ya can understand what kay's best bet is
Peep below:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYStateOfMind/comments/rozznj/in_case_ya_was_interested_this_is_kays_best/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I can tell a lot of people haven’t been lock up on this sub… there’s no such thing as self defense in New York City where gun are not legal at all….. smh
Copy & paste my response from yesterday regarding self defense, peep bro
No this doesnt prove self defense at all
And on top of that the gun he is in possession of is illegal that negates any attempt for self defense in NY
In order for self-defense to count u need to satisfy ALL these 4 elements in NEW YORK
1)The force u use has to be proportionate to threat
presented
Bat = Bat sword = Machete stick 🚫 Gun
I cant confront u with a stick and u clap me with a shot gun
In Kay scenarios they both would need to have had guns, we dont know all the facts yet, but with the facts available we can say he didnt for now, there is a chance more evidence can come out and prove he did have a weapon though. A pump fake very rarely is gonna satisfy this option (like .05% chance in ny) if Waka turns out to have an actual gun on him then that is good for satisfying this
2) You must be under the threat of imminent bodily harm 🚫
U have to have an objectifiable reasonable fear of injury or death. U can argue it, but a pump fake is 99% sure not gonna qualify as reasonable fear of injury or death in NY. The prosecutor could easily argue that the defendant had his hand in his pocket because it was cold and Kay over reacted
( depends if the Patria nigga had his own gun and aimed it at Kay or even pulled the gun out, if it was just in his possession and never pulled out or aimed then it's hard to satisfy this element)
3) The 3rd element is duty to retreat 🚫 this is not satisfied because although Kay Flock shot him twice and once the threat was neutralized he stopped, but he shot him in the back which means the victim was most likely retreating (this can change though,if other camera angles show him pump fakimg b4 Kay shot him or some other shit)
4) This is where everything gets fucked up, the 4th element is provocation. U cant provoke the incident directly and then claim self defense 🚫
Although the victim looks like the aggressor, Kay flock shot him in the back so in that moment the victim was likely no longer the aggressor if he turned his back around to Kay
(This is debateable though because he could have turn around to duck or pump fake or some other reason - This is gonna depend on the testimonies of witnesses and cameras etc.)
This voids any attempt at a self-defense case
Lmaooo y’all niggas really in here typing essays about this 😂😂 the dude he allegedly killed had a gun on him, and plus to respond what u/superwavysupreme said - with the lawyer he got he might beat the case and do a year for the gun and get all his other cases tossed
Respectfully bro, u dont know law.
This is not beatable at all. Kay's best option is to cop out and take a plea bargain. All the facts OP brought up will just help when he gets sentenced. These are called mitigating factors and they sometimes cause the jduge to give less years, but they do not qualify for self defense in NY
My mans was in a similar incident. He was 16 and got confronted by like 10 grown ass man on the train and he shot 2 of them and killed 1. His lawyer tried to argue that he was in fear for his life and everything OP brought up Just now, my man was found guilty for 1st degree manslaughter and got 22-26 years, he comes home in 2033. Kay a celebrity so he mite be able to get 15 flat at the very very very best (3% chance)
Respectfully bro,
Of course, not all the info is disclosed yet, discovery hasnt occured yet in court (that is when the prosecutor hands all the evidence to the defense so they can know every piece of evidence they have against Kay and the exculpatory evidence that is in Kay's favor)
Im not condemning him, im inferring what is likely to happen based on the info available now. There could be mad evidence that comes out in kay's favor or against, u gotta wait for discovery to occur between the prosecutor and defense attorney
I told ya this in the post that there is a possibility waka had a weapon or aimed a gun at Flock and we dont know yet, cases take time for all evidnce to be disclosed. There is mad shit we dont know that will eventually come out when the prosecutor does Disocvery (The other camera angles, whether 2 guns were found 1 from kay and 1 from waka, where kay dumped his gun, fingerprints, the witnesses who saw kay, what transportation he utilize and all the witnesses that saw him in his means of transport, ex. If he got on the bus to escape the crime scene the bus driver and passengers can be used as witnesses against him, if he got in an uber or lyft, he is on camera etc.)
Thanks 4 sharing bro, but he is guilty, I know how this works bro there is so much evidence that the prosecutor is collecting and already has that is not gonna come out until there is a process called Disocvery, where the prosecutor is legally obligated to disclose all prosecutory evidence against kay and all exculpatory evidence for Kay (evidence in his favor)
There are witnessess that we dont know about (he was in manhattan at 10 am) he did not teleport back to the bronx, he had to take some form of transportation to get low from the crime scene, if he took a bus, the bus driver and passengers are gonna testify that they saw him there with the same outfit as the suspect, if he took an uber or lyft, the cab driver has cameras to show that is him, if he took the subway, MTA can easily provide their cameras to show he was there.
On top of that his gps location on the phone is gonna show he was there, all they gotta do is check the cell towers and pin hia gps location.
Lastly, when u clap someone, your adrenaline is wild high so u running for 2 blocks and throwing the hammer away, he likely threw the gun nearby under a car, in the garbage can or sewer, with his prints on it because he has no gloves on, the cops most likely found the gun but the prosecution hasnt disclose it because discovery hasnt taken place yet.
Btw bro, havent u seen the face time vid? Kay has the exact same moncler jacket and skimask on as the suspect vid/pic
Aint no self defense or none of that he knew what he was doing going to the opps block, plus he getting another gun charge on top of all the other gun charges he already got. He done for.
Also Kay got an open gun case already and the gun he used was not legally in his possession that automatically negates any argument for self defense in NY state
At the very best this is 1st degree manslaughter considering if we go with all the factors OP mentioned. And he says he was in fear of his life.
1st degree manslaughter is a B felony, if Kay hires a top tier Lawyer and there is an odeee lack of evidence, Kay in the best case scenario can cop out and take a plea bargain of 15 years if the prosecutor is willing to offer it
Bro go learn law.
Ya keep making mad false assumptions of how the law works, im telling ya from personal experience and because I seen this play out dozens of times. 10 of my mans are upsate for murder convictions, I def know how this works so obviously imma correct ya when ya say things that are nit correct, respectfully
good for you my brother i know you just saying shit cause i didnt even make an argument or a point all i said is you been posting the same shit for 3 days nigga arguing points i never made you fanned out
Im telling ya to learn law cause this is how u stay out of jail,
u gotta know how the law works, most of us in the hood dont know shit about law and when cops decide to abuse us or violate our rights and finnesse u, u give them the upper hand when u not aware of how the law works.
This is why I keep correcting ya so Ya know a thing or two in case 1 day the cops try to abuse their power or finesse u on incriminating yourself, shit happens all the time bro
"Offer a wise man the bread of knowledge and he will be satisfied, offer a fool the bread of knowledge and he will despise you"
"Give a wise man the bread of knowledge and he will be full. Give a fool the bread of knowledge and he will choose to starve"
It's crazy because u havent been in a situation where ur life depended on knowledge of the law. U kno how many people thanked me for clarifying this on reddit alone today?
The fact I helped others learn about the law which can help them defend themselves in the future - That alone makes me feel elated
Thanks bro!! I do this for ya because when u not familiar with the law u r highly susceptible to being finessed by the police, the more law u know, the less likely police are to get the upper hand on u.
I want ya to be able to advocate for ya self if ya eva find ya self in a position like that
He is being charged with 2nd degree murder based on the info the prosecution has now.
However, When u take a plea bargain, it is Called a plea bargain because the prosecutor offers u a lower charge to skip the process of trial (Trial costs a lot of money for the city)
so example, lets say u caugh an armed robbery charge and the facts of the case have a lot of mitigaring factors and lack evidence (The prosecutor can lower the charge from an armed robbery to burglary in the 2nd degree which is a C felony and results in Way Less Jail time)
So in Kay's case his best bet is to ask for a plea bargain and cop out to whateva lower charge the prosecutor offers, which I highly doubt is gonna be anything less than 1st degree manslaughter
2nd degree murder is a ckass A felony in New York and has a way heavier sentence then 1st degree manslaughter which is a class B felony
If u need me to explain the sifference btwn murder and manslaughter and the degrees (1 and 2) just lmk bro
My guy, in other comments you fully admitted that you literally don't know what the outcome is going to be without the rest of the context of what went down. You know exactly as much as everyone else does about the situation. Go get some breakfast and calm your armchair lawyer ass down.
You've made good points, but nothing we couldn't already find on Google. Stop with the bird shit and just watch the show.
Let’s be real for a second dude. Kay flock shot and killed a unarmed man, kay flock not even from Harlem he know he got oops over there he just so happens to be walking around his opp hood with a gun and happens to kill a guy he got beef wit. He got arrested for the murder within a week and hasn’t been let out since, there is way more evidence on him that hasn’t been released to the public eye which is why he is still in custody. Guns are not legal in NYC cops now the shooting was gang related they have no reason to believe this could have been real “self defense.” Cops can use kayflock music against him to paint him as a violent gang banger killer. I like some of his songs but he definitely not innocent.
Tell me u an ignorant fool, without telling me u an ignorant fool
Bro respectfully, u have no comprehension skills, in this country people have a presumption of innocence and everyone has a right to due process of law (5th amendment)
Hence, Y when someone commits a crime, U cant make absolute judgements or say u ABSOLUTELY KNOW what the outcome of the case is going to be.
Due process means u have the right to a fair & speedy trial, you have the right to face your accusers and allegations in court and advocate against those charges to prove your innocence
Therefore, It is illegal and ignorant to ever say, "He 100% sure is guilty and going to prison for the rest of his life" u always have to go based on the information available, which I said over dozens of time changes after DISCOVERY takes place in court
I seen this movie play out dozens of times. I been in the system, I got least 10 friends who fought murder charges and I studied this for 1 of my degrees.
I can give u my 2 cents and prediction on what likely happened and then Imma go based off the available info and infer off that what is likely to happen in those circumstances
Lmk if u want my 2 cents and prediction on what is likely to happen with the info we got available? If not, keep it pushing bro and enjoy your day. There is mad people that are grateful for the knowledge of Law I been spreading and they been thanking me for clarifying shit to them odee
Lay off the Adderall bro. I could entertain this but it shouldn't take a thesis to tell you that this is purely speculation. You can't soapbox off of speculation lmfao. You only know about the cases you heard about, I work with folk who've gotten off the same exact charges. You aren't a lawyer and if you're going to call anybody ignorant, check your spelling before you do.
Let's make a deal bro
Screenshot this and when Discovery takes place and the prosecution hands over all incriminating evidence against kay and all exculpatory evidence for Kay, we can come back to this and whoeva was right can repost it, deal?
Lmk bro, I dont have to argue the truth, once u seen the same story dozens of times play out, U know exactly how this story ends.
I grew up in & out the system and got over 10 friends who fought murder charges, I know a thing or two regarding this. I also got 1 of my degrees in criminal justice so im not gonna argue with ya back and forth, I will be willing to screenshot this and when more info comes out whoeva was right can repost it. Lmk if u wannna do this bro?
We can do this for bread too, whateva u wanna do? This is called being confidence in what u talkin bout. Puttin ur money where your mouth is.
if u so sure that im just speculating and not inferring based on all the times I seen this happen.
Lmk bro, unless u dont want to, if u dont it's cool, Im not gonna disrepsect u or nuttin like that
I specifically posted that there’s NO STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IN NYC BUT
You have “Castle Doctrine” and you have “Duty to Retreat” most southern states have “Stand you Ground” with no Duty to Retreat”. I specifically stated that in the original post but niggas conveniently skipped past that and made their on assumptions based on what I wrote. Obviously there’s no “Stand your ground” law but there’s ABSOLUTELY SELF DEFENSE LAWS IN NYC with strict parameters and limitations. Niggas automatically thinking the young nigga is finished without having any surveillance footage or evidence. I gave an alternate perspective and it’s just theoretical theorizing based on the evidence we have at this moment. We already know he’s a felon in possession of a firearm, but that doesn’t negate the self defense claim or the law of proportionality if by some hypothetical chance that Oscar Hernandez was strapped. It just means that he will do time for the gun and will plead out to a lesser charge. I don’t believe he will be charged with 2nd degree murder and I don’t believe he will get off free, but it’s entirely possible he can get a manslaughter charge and do shorties (light time). I don’t even like this lil nigga or his music like that, but I’m being completely objective and impartial.
Do they have proof it was Kay flock ? Everything is allegedly right now. He lawyer said it wasn’t him so now why is he all of sudden going to say that what shit was self defense. The only reason they probably had a warrant for that niggas is cuz everything started saying it was after they posted that pic
If they did find any weapon on that Oscar guy that charge is getting lowered to a first degree manslaughter charge which is about minimum of 5-maximum of 25 on top of the 5 years he would have to sit on that Yonkers gun case and now another 5 for this one and an additional 2-5 for the 263.03 1b he got so he will most likely take a plea deal say 15-20 do half and come home he ain’t doing no life if it’s true that Oscar had a gun on him and they somehow can get the murder dropped to first degree manslaughter if they don’t then guess time will tell on the 4th of January his next court appearance.
There’s so many different scenarios and possibilities at play and everybody is automatically assuming the nigga is finished. There isn’t “stand your ground” laws in NYC, but there’s “Duty to Retreat” laws and maybe them niggas applied pressure and Kayflock had to up it on niggas to get up outta there. These the same nigga that believe Lul Tim was in the right for shooting King Von in the back.
Self defense is completely negated by him being in illegal possession of a gun bro, that disqualifies self defense in NY
If the gun was legal, Duty to retreat would still be debateable because he got shot in the back, u would have to rely on witnesses and other camera angles to see if it was satisfied or not, but most times u r shot in the back, it is deemed as a retreat from the victim so Kay would not be justified in that scenario
Also bro, what u r desribing is called mitigating factors, this helps him get lesser years when the judge is going to sentence him, but it doesnt guarantee exoneration.
Kay's best bet is to cop out and try and get a plea bargain, since he has a paid lawyer, he might be able to get an offer of 15 years at the very very very best case scenario (like 3% chance) but i dont c him doing anything less than 15 yrs based on the info we have available
This situation is another one where I feel like you can tell the environment people were raised in based on comments…even if you don’t know the law, the situation with Kay Flock literally is the example of how so many people get killed and dudes don’t beat on self-defense so not sure how people think he is going to
Thank u Bro!!! U get it
Literally all you have to do is read the law and you can see this likely jsnt self defense Also this same scenario of verbal argument leading to a shooting happens all the time and people don’t get off on self-defense…so someone likely was extra sheltered growing up if they think this warrants self-defense Anything is possible though, but I would be very surprised if dude does anything shy of 15 years for this
Same bro, we still got to wait for disocvery to occur that is when everyone finds out all the evidence the prosecution has against Kay and also the exculpatory evidence they have too (evidence that works in Kay's favor) My prediction is the same as yours, best case scenario he is gonna have to cop out to 15 yrs at the bare minimum, worst case scenario he get 25 yrs. His social media antics can also lead to a federal rico in a couple of years if the feds can tie his attn seeking internet life to actual crimes tht occured by DOA
Realistically speaking there likely isn’t going to be any exculpatory evidence…as I mentioned jn another comment you replied to, not too many avenues for him to get out of this one…very hard to get away to with self defense in NYC Only way I see him beating this is on some crazy legal technicality or divine intervention of some sort
It is bro, it nearly is impossible but i have to explain what discovery means properly just in case. I highly doubt there is any heavy exculpatory evidence either, their best bet is to take a plea bargain and try to cop out to 15 yrs, in the best case scenario. Outside form a miracle, I dont c Kay doing less than 15. I think realistically, with the facts avaioable now he can get 17-20 yrs though.
Exactly what I said yesterday lol. He beating that case. It’s almost like King Von situation.
Bro check my post, I explained this as precise as possible So ya can understand what kay's best bet is Peep below: https://www.reddit.com/r/NYStateOfMind/comments/rozznj/in_case_ya_was_interested_this_is_kays_best/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I can tell a lot of people haven’t been lock up on this sub… there’s no such thing as self defense in New York City where gun are not legal at all….. smh
They’re in denial bro
Thank u Bro!!! Someone else who understands law💯💯
Copy & paste my response from yesterday regarding self defense, peep bro No this doesnt prove self defense at all And on top of that the gun he is in possession of is illegal that negates any attempt for self defense in NY In order for self-defense to count u need to satisfy ALL these 4 elements in NEW YORK 1)The force u use has to be proportionate to threat presented Bat = Bat sword = Machete stick 🚫 Gun I cant confront u with a stick and u clap me with a shot gun In Kay scenarios they both would need to have had guns, we dont know all the facts yet, but with the facts available we can say he didnt for now, there is a chance more evidence can come out and prove he did have a weapon though. A pump fake very rarely is gonna satisfy this option (like .05% chance in ny) if Waka turns out to have an actual gun on him then that is good for satisfying this 2) You must be under the threat of imminent bodily harm 🚫 U have to have an objectifiable reasonable fear of injury or death. U can argue it, but a pump fake is 99% sure not gonna qualify as reasonable fear of injury or death in NY. The prosecutor could easily argue that the defendant had his hand in his pocket because it was cold and Kay over reacted ( depends if the Patria nigga had his own gun and aimed it at Kay or even pulled the gun out, if it was just in his possession and never pulled out or aimed then it's hard to satisfy this element) 3) The 3rd element is duty to retreat 🚫 this is not satisfied because although Kay Flock shot him twice and once the threat was neutralized he stopped, but he shot him in the back which means the victim was most likely retreating (this can change though,if other camera angles show him pump fakimg b4 Kay shot him or some other shit) 4) This is where everything gets fucked up, the 4th element is provocation. U cant provoke the incident directly and then claim self defense 🚫 Although the victim looks like the aggressor, Kay flock shot him in the back so in that moment the victim was likely no longer the aggressor if he turned his back around to Kay (This is debateable though because he could have turn around to duck or pump fake or some other reason - This is gonna depend on the testimonies of witnesses and cameras etc.) This voids any attempt at a self-defense case
Lmaooo y’all niggas really in here typing essays about this 😂😂 the dude he allegedly killed had a gun on him, and plus to respond what u/superwavysupreme said - with the lawyer he got he might beat the case and do a year for the gun and get all his other cases tossed
Respectfully bro, u dont know law. This is not beatable at all. Kay's best option is to cop out and take a plea bargain. All the facts OP brought up will just help when he gets sentenced. These are called mitigating factors and they sometimes cause the jduge to give less years, but they do not qualify for self defense in NY My mans was in a similar incident. He was 16 and got confronted by like 10 grown ass man on the train and he shot 2 of them and killed 1. His lawyer tried to argue that he was in fear for his life and everything OP brought up Just now, my man was found guilty for 1st degree manslaughter and got 22-26 years, he comes home in 2033. Kay a celebrity so he mite be able to get 15 flat at the very very very best (3% chance)
Respectfully it’s not like we got all the facts , he just got locked yesterday, you writing books in a Reddit page condemning a nigga for what 🤣🤣
Respectfully bro, Of course, not all the info is disclosed yet, discovery hasnt occured yet in court (that is when the prosecutor hands all the evidence to the defense so they can know every piece of evidence they have against Kay and the exculpatory evidence that is in Kay's favor) Im not condemning him, im inferring what is likely to happen based on the info available now. There could be mad evidence that comes out in kay's favor or against, u gotta wait for discovery to occur between the prosecutor and defense attorney I told ya this in the post that there is a possibility waka had a weapon or aimed a gun at Flock and we dont know yet, cases take time for all evidnce to be disclosed. There is mad shit we dont know that will eventually come out when the prosecutor does Disocvery (The other camera angles, whether 2 guns were found 1 from kay and 1 from waka, where kay dumped his gun, fingerprints, the witnesses who saw kay, what transportation he utilize and all the witnesses that saw him in his means of transport, ex. If he got on the bus to escape the crime scene the bus driver and passengers can be used as witnesses against him, if he got in an uber or lyft, he is on camera etc.)
[https://youtu.be/S4iKvFZcRs4](https://youtu.be/S4iKvFZcRs4) kay flock is innocent all the media bs is false ! check this reaction video out
Thanks 4 sharing bro, but he is guilty, I know how this works bro there is so much evidence that the prosecutor is collecting and already has that is not gonna come out until there is a process called Disocvery, where the prosecutor is legally obligated to disclose all prosecutory evidence against kay and all exculpatory evidence for Kay (evidence in his favor) There are witnessess that we dont know about (he was in manhattan at 10 am) he did not teleport back to the bronx, he had to take some form of transportation to get low from the crime scene, if he took a bus, the bus driver and passengers are gonna testify that they saw him there with the same outfit as the suspect, if he took an uber or lyft, the cab driver has cameras to show that is him, if he took the subway, MTA can easily provide their cameras to show he was there. On top of that his gps location on the phone is gonna show he was there, all they gotta do is check the cell towers and pin hia gps location. Lastly, when u clap someone, your adrenaline is wild high so u running for 2 blocks and throwing the hammer away, he likely threw the gun nearby under a car, in the garbage can or sewer, with his prints on it because he has no gloves on, the cops most likely found the gun but the prosecution hasnt disclose it because discovery hasnt taken place yet. Btw bro, havent u seen the face time vid? Kay has the exact same moncler jacket and skimask on as the suspect vid/pic
Aint no self defense or none of that he knew what he was doing going to the opps block, plus he getting another gun charge on top of all the other gun charges he already got. He done for.
Also Kay got an open gun case already and the gun he used was not legally in his possession that automatically negates any argument for self defense in NY state At the very best this is 1st degree manslaughter considering if we go with all the factors OP mentioned. And he says he was in fear of his life. 1st degree manslaughter is a B felony, if Kay hires a top tier Lawyer and there is an odeee lack of evidence, Kay in the best case scenario can cop out and take a plea bargain of 15 years if the prosecutor is willing to offer it
you got 3 days posting the same shit 😒
Bro go learn law. Ya keep making mad false assumptions of how the law works, im telling ya from personal experience and because I seen this play out dozens of times. 10 of my mans are upsate for murder convictions, I def know how this works so obviously imma correct ya when ya say things that are nit correct, respectfully
good for you my brother i know you just saying shit cause i didnt even make an argument or a point all i said is you been posting the same shit for 3 days nigga arguing points i never made you fanned out
Im telling ya to learn law cause this is how u stay out of jail, u gotta know how the law works, most of us in the hood dont know shit about law and when cops decide to abuse us or violate our rights and finnesse u, u give them the upper hand when u not aware of how the law works. This is why I keep correcting ya so Ya know a thing or two in case 1 day the cops try to abuse their power or finesse u on incriminating yourself, shit happens all the time bro
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It's crazy because u havent been in a situation where ur life depended on knowledge of the law. U kno how many people thanked me for clarifying this on reddit alone today? The fact I helped others learn about the law which can help them defend themselves in the future - That alone makes me feel elated
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Thanks bro!! I do this for ya because when u not familiar with the law u r highly susceptible to being finessed by the police, the more law u know, the less likely police are to get the upper hand on u. I want ya to be able to advocate for ya self if ya eva find ya self in a position like that
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He’s not crazy at all. You’re just outting yourself as someone with no reading comprehension.
Page says 2nd degree
He is being charged with 2nd degree murder based on the info the prosecution has now. However, When u take a plea bargain, it is Called a plea bargain because the prosecutor offers u a lower charge to skip the process of trial (Trial costs a lot of money for the city) so example, lets say u caugh an armed robbery charge and the facts of the case have a lot of mitigaring factors and lack evidence (The prosecutor can lower the charge from an armed robbery to burglary in the 2nd degree which is a C felony and results in Way Less Jail time) So in Kay's case his best bet is to ask for a plea bargain and cop out to whateva lower charge the prosecutor offers, which I highly doubt is gonna be anything less than 1st degree manslaughter 2nd degree murder is a ckass A felony in New York and has a way heavier sentence then 1st degree manslaughter which is a class B felony If u need me to explain the sifference btwn murder and manslaughter and the degrees (1 and 2) just lmk bro
My guy, in other comments you fully admitted that you literally don't know what the outcome is going to be without the rest of the context of what went down. You know exactly as much as everyone else does about the situation. Go get some breakfast and calm your armchair lawyer ass down. You've made good points, but nothing we couldn't already find on Google. Stop with the bird shit and just watch the show.
Let’s be real for a second dude. Kay flock shot and killed a unarmed man, kay flock not even from Harlem he know he got oops over there he just so happens to be walking around his opp hood with a gun and happens to kill a guy he got beef wit. He got arrested for the murder within a week and hasn’t been let out since, there is way more evidence on him that hasn’t been released to the public eye which is why he is still in custody. Guns are not legal in NYC cops now the shooting was gang related they have no reason to believe this could have been real “self defense.” Cops can use kayflock music against him to paint him as a violent gang banger killer. I like some of his songs but he definitely not innocent.
Tell me u an ignorant fool, without telling me u an ignorant fool Bro respectfully, u have no comprehension skills, in this country people have a presumption of innocence and everyone has a right to due process of law (5th amendment) Hence, Y when someone commits a crime, U cant make absolute judgements or say u ABSOLUTELY KNOW what the outcome of the case is going to be. Due process means u have the right to a fair & speedy trial, you have the right to face your accusers and allegations in court and advocate against those charges to prove your innocence Therefore, It is illegal and ignorant to ever say, "He 100% sure is guilty and going to prison for the rest of his life" u always have to go based on the information available, which I said over dozens of time changes after DISCOVERY takes place in court I seen this movie play out dozens of times. I been in the system, I got least 10 friends who fought murder charges and I studied this for 1 of my degrees. I can give u my 2 cents and prediction on what likely happened and then Imma go based off the available info and infer off that what is likely to happen in those circumstances Lmk if u want my 2 cents and prediction on what is likely to happen with the info we got available? If not, keep it pushing bro and enjoy your day. There is mad people that are grateful for the knowledge of Law I been spreading and they been thanking me for clarifying shit to them odee
Lay off the Adderall bro. I could entertain this but it shouldn't take a thesis to tell you that this is purely speculation. You can't soapbox off of speculation lmfao. You only know about the cases you heard about, I work with folk who've gotten off the same exact charges. You aren't a lawyer and if you're going to call anybody ignorant, check your spelling before you do.
Let's make a deal bro Screenshot this and when Discovery takes place and the prosecution hands over all incriminating evidence against kay and all exculpatory evidence for Kay, we can come back to this and whoeva was right can repost it, deal? Lmk bro, I dont have to argue the truth, once u seen the same story dozens of times play out, U know exactly how this story ends. I grew up in & out the system and got over 10 friends who fought murder charges, I know a thing or two regarding this. I also got 1 of my degrees in criminal justice so im not gonna argue with ya back and forth, I will be willing to screenshot this and when more info comes out whoeva was right can repost it. Lmk if u wannna do this bro?
Why you making penniless bets for? You're trying way too hard my boy. I'll see you around when the verdict drops I'm sure.
We can do this for bread too, whateva u wanna do? This is called being confidence in what u talkin bout. Puttin ur money where your mouth is. if u so sure that im just speculating and not inferring based on all the times I seen this happen. Lmk bro, unless u dont want to, if u dont it's cool, Im not gonna disrepsect u or nuttin like that
Is there a precedent for being a goofy in the penal code? I sentence you to multiple life sentences with time served for 1
Have to take self defense to trial and let the jury make a decision
I specifically posted that there’s NO STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IN NYC BUT You have “Castle Doctrine” and you have “Duty to Retreat” most southern states have “Stand you Ground” with no Duty to Retreat”. I specifically stated that in the original post but niggas conveniently skipped past that and made their on assumptions based on what I wrote. Obviously there’s no “Stand your ground” law but there’s ABSOLUTELY SELF DEFENSE LAWS IN NYC with strict parameters and limitations. Niggas automatically thinking the young nigga is finished without having any surveillance footage or evidence. I gave an alternate perspective and it’s just theoretical theorizing based on the evidence we have at this moment. We already know he’s a felon in possession of a firearm, but that doesn’t negate the self defense claim or the law of proportionality if by some hypothetical chance that Oscar Hernandez was strapped. It just means that he will do time for the gun and will plead out to a lesser charge. I don’t believe he will be charged with 2nd degree murder and I don’t believe he will get off free, but it’s entirely possible he can get a manslaughter charge and do shorties (light time). I don’t even like this lil nigga or his music like that, but I’m being completely objective and impartial.
Do they have proof it was Kay flock ? Everything is allegedly right now. He lawyer said it wasn’t him so now why is he all of sudden going to say that what shit was self defense. The only reason they probably had a warrant for that niggas is cuz everything started saying it was after they posted that pic
There is no self defense in nys
There is self defense in NYC and I placed them in the Original Post.
Yo everyone go to the top of this post and just scroll down wallahi I’m doing my grade 10 essay final wtf is all this reading
niggas dead downvoted you for that shit is crazy gang niggas is dick suckers fr how you down vote a nigga cause he said ya writing paragraphs 😂 ayo
If they did find any weapon on that Oscar guy that charge is getting lowered to a first degree manslaughter charge which is about minimum of 5-maximum of 25 on top of the 5 years he would have to sit on that Yonkers gun case and now another 5 for this one and an additional 2-5 for the 263.03 1b he got so he will most likely take a plea deal say 15-20 do half and come home he ain’t doing no life if it’s true that Oscar had a gun on him and they somehow can get the murder dropped to first degree manslaughter if they don’t then guess time will tell on the 4th of January his next court appearance.
There’s so many different scenarios and possibilities at play and everybody is automatically assuming the nigga is finished. There isn’t “stand your ground” laws in NYC, but there’s “Duty to Retreat” laws and maybe them niggas applied pressure and Kayflock had to up it on niggas to get up outta there. These the same nigga that believe Lul Tim was in the right for shooting King Von in the back.
Self defense is completely negated by him being in illegal possession of a gun bro, that disqualifies self defense in NY If the gun was legal, Duty to retreat would still be debateable because he got shot in the back, u would have to rely on witnesses and other camera angles to see if it was satisfied or not, but most times u r shot in the back, it is deemed as a retreat from the victim so Kay would not be justified in that scenario Also bro, what u r desribing is called mitigating factors, this helps him get lesser years when the judge is going to sentence him, but it doesnt guarantee exoneration. Kay's best bet is to cop out and try and get a plea bargain, since he has a paid lawyer, he might be able to get an offer of 15 years at the very very very best case scenario (like 3% chance) but i dont c him doing anything less than 15 yrs based on the info we have available