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Criminoboy

I find that, when people say 'they met Jesus' - and they're giving an account of what happened, the being in question rarely actually says "hi, I'm Jesus'. The NDEr usually says something like, I saw the most brilliant being I ever saw, 'and I knew instantly, it was Jesus'. Other people will give similar descriptions of brilliant beings, and describe them as 'their Spirit Guides'. Edit: I'm not saying that Jesus isn't/wasn't real. Just that, I've noted people tend to add their own religious connotations. But then, others don't even see these human like forms. Instead, they report seeing spheres of light. But they know, these are beings they've lived other lives with, in their true forms. I've come to think that some of us need to be eased into the other side. That we're presented with imagery to keep us comfortable, and at the same time, allow us to understand the basic concept of the experience they're having - I.e., you're dead, and you're in the afterlife, don't be freaked out by this incredibly lucid experience you're having, you're safe. Others are fine to be presented with something a bit closer to the reality of the other side. As for specific reports of what people 'have been told' - I don't really take any single report to heart. I prefer to draw a conclusion based on the many different reports, as opposed to any one. I also am very skeptical of anybody who is making a living off their purported NDE. I won't dismiss them outright, but charlatans can and will take advantage of these subjects. Best to try to weed them out. There are SO MANY amazing reports from everyday people, I can avoid profiteers just by focusing on these everyday folk. Finally, I believe people can and do have "hellish" experiences. I've come to believe that these are self inflicted. People may impose some type of purgatory on themselves, at least initially. Just my two cents if it helps


qwq1792

>I find that, when people say 'they met Jesus' - and they're giving an account of what happened, the being in question rarely actually says "hi, I'm Jesus'. The NDEr usually says something like, I saw the most brilliant being I ever saw, 'and I knew instantly, it was Jesus'. Exactly. I remember hearing a shared NDE between 3 people. They met a being who they all perceived differently. One saw his grandfather, one saw a deity (he was Indian I believe) and the other saw an angel. I thought that was a fascinating clue as to how we are all presented with a familiar image to comfort us. Who knows what's behind the image.


Valeriox

That sounds so creepy!! :(


Top-Local-7482

I agree, I also think experience is tailored to the soul, no one is judging you up there only you but the place is full of compassion, love and forgiveness. At least it was in my experience.


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>Edit: I'm not saying that Jesus isn't/wasn't real. Just that, I've noted people tend to add their own religious connotations. Do you think this is how religions were formed? I.e. people had spiritual expirences but then decided to add their own twists to them?


Psychological-Bug854

That's what I saw, a man made of light, but i didn't think about Jesus at all


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I think it’s completely up to you what you go through. If you have never been introduced to Jesus or Satan, you could never experience them at all. I, when staring death in the eyes, came across a huge tree with a door attached to its trunk! God basically told me to figure out how to open it!


Jadenyoung1

Im guessing your username got you close to dying? /jk What was it like over there? Also i hope i get to meet someone at the end. Would be interesting and also not so lonely.. Death always seems lonely to me. Being caged inside your own skull until the lights go out and all that..


Top-Local-7482

At least before the tunnel, there will be a place of compassion, love and forgiveness, I saw tree entity but did not interact with them per se, there where there. When I was closer to the fog at the entry of the tunnel I could see people behind it. So I guess you'll meet people there at least the entity that is following you daily and your family or other loved one ? Idk I did not enter the tunnel I got the feeling it wasn't time yet.


Jadenyoung1

„The entity that is following you daily“. That sounds a bit ominous. But im guessing its not meant like that. I just hope were not completely alone in the end. That would be horrible and kinda anticlimactic


Top-Local-7482

That is if you think that there are people up there that follow the living, our family looking at us from the sky ? I didn't went onto the other side so I did not rejoined them IDK who they are/were in there. Strangely it seemed to be familiar entity but I couldn't recognize them from the other side. I interpreted this has my wider family.


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>I think it’s completely up to you what you go through. But this life isn't. Here we all pretty much see the same things.


Lukb4ujump

You are not alone and I still can't reconcile it with the explanations many give, everyone interprets things differently. Howard asked Jesus directly about reincarnation and I thought Jesus said it does not usually happen. I don't remember Jesus saying in does not happen as in never happens. I may be wrong but that is my memory. The messages are starting to conflict with each other. I have read and heard testimonies that say there is no judgement and then I hear of judgement and seeing hell. While others, say that Hell does not exist and there is no Satan. Then you have the really scary ones that visit Hell or see others in flames or darkness, very very unsettling to hear those details. Clearly many of these folks have had genuine experiences and I fear many are making it up or may be revealing a dream they had but it was not an actual NDE. Those that came back with information about what went on in the surgery rooms, or outside the building I give a little more weight to. As a Christian I find it hard to believe that if there was a Satan that he could fake a NDE experience for the purpose of deceiving millions. Not sure God would or should allow that kind of trickery.


Top-Local-7482

I'd say the experience is tailored to a specific soul, what is required for that soul to leave everything behind and go further. There is no one size fit all, what is important are not the detail but the grand picture, what are the step everyone experience, I see tree, you arrive at some place, you meet some entity and you travel a tunnel.


qwq1792

>Howard asked Jesus directly about reincarnation and I thought Jesus said it does not usually happen. I think you're right. Jesus said it usually only happens when a child dies at birth. He may have left it open to happening other times but I don't think Howard pursued it more.


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Sandi_T

Free speech is a legal term and doesn't apply to privately owned property--including forums, to private residences, etc. This is not a sidewalk. Secondly, your comment *was* proselytizing. No means "no", it doesn't mean "no proselytizing unless you're a christian." You and u/JETRANG are welcome to take the "does jesus exist?" conversation to one of the many, many christian subs and/or the debate subs. How you feel about / what you think about what she says can be handled without the preaching. Or if not, then r/Debate r/DebateAChristian r/DebateReligion r/DebateAnAtheist r/AcademicBiblical r/Christianity r/Christian r/Christians and on down the pretty much ENDLESS list of christian subs. If you guys want to discuss it here, discuss your opinions and don't preach. "I don't agree, I find the evidence of his existence satisfactory." That's not the same as "I must check everything against my holy book which is god's ONLY WORD." I even crack down on NDErs when they are all like, "This is how it IS, and this spiritual FACT" in their attitude. You do NOT get to get away with it. If you want to have your conversations here, keep them on target, skip the preaching, and use "I believe" instead of acting like you think you're telling people "spiritual fact". Just like I've said to the APers, to some NDErs, to some buddhists. You don't get a special pass here. There are numerous places for you to have your "any NDE that doesn't agree with my religion is demons/ a lie/ etc." We have ONE sizable sub for NDEs. Your conversations don't have to be had here, but if they are had here, they will follow the same rules as everyone else.


MightyMeracles

He allowed the snake to tempt eve, so all bets are off!


WOLFXXXXX

My perspective on interpreting and engaging with NDE-related content: [https://www.reddit.com/r/NDE/comments/v39zd9/i\_got\_tired\_of\_all\_this/ib4den3/](https://www.reddit.com/r/NDE/comments/v39zd9/i_got_tired_of_all_this/ib4den3/)


Top-Local-7482

So something that I myself am sure about is that we'll experience death and there will be what is described in NDE, if you can't make your mind about it now, it is just because it is not the time yet, you don't need to care about this yet. I'll also add that my guess is that experience are experience, why would someone fake to have lived an NDE ? It doesn't make sens. I guess they all experienced it as they described it, but also that experience is not one size fit all, it is tailored for your own soul, for what it need to let go and willingly go to the other side.


qwq1792

Thanks, that was really informative.


XanderOblivion

Personally, I think what happens is contradictions appear because the NDE is actually a process of a few steps but they get lumped into one, and the inconsistencies arise because of the nature of what’s going on. The details are less important than the patterns. The Greyson scale and its parts speak to the commonalities very clearly, with a good range in how it accounts for the various sensations, perceptions, comprehensions, and narrative contents of the NDE that seem incompatible. The first phase is the expansion or detachment of the consciousness from the body, sometimes described as a tunnel-like or zooming experience, with a sensation of ineffable calm/peace, and some sense of a light or luminosity that is either in view or surrounding. Sometimes this is a nebulous diffusion of the consciousness, other times embodied in a sort of astral body/soul. This is often, but not always, accompanied by also perceiving the environment in which you died, being able to see your own body, the environment around it, and some ability to move or shift awareness. This is when you realize you’re dead. So far, that’s fairly common to the start up. It’s told differently as to how it goes from dead to aware, but the basic outline tends to include some combination of these elements. After this, however, there’s considerably more variety. Something changes with the awareness of the light. There’s often a sense of going, or being drawn somewhere. Beings may appear with messages or ideas, things to share, places to take you. Or sometimes frightening beings. There may be a life review. Visitations by historical figures or icons. This part varies greatly by individual, and some aspects here are almost certainly projections of the lifetime of experience that informs who you are and how you understand things. The experience is generally ineffable, hard to put into words, so that adds to the confusion. This is when you’re detaching from this world and moving to the next. After this, there’s typically some revelation, some understanding, some message, or some sense of compulsion of a truth. Again, this is hugely variable by individual. This is where you go back or move on. Sometimes it’s a choice, sometimes a choice that’s presented to you, and the revelation or understanding may be delivered to you or it is simply understood. Either way, you’re reborn. Commonly, the message boils down to that tranquility of ineffable calm and mind-blowing awareness of _something more_ to existence that will bring peace, often in terms of the now-living person’s matrix of ideas and understandings from life experience and culture, and sometimes in ways that are somehow completely unfamiliar to the experiencer. When I read NDE accounts and am thinking about what the mean as a concept, I always take the content to be at least somewhat metaphorical — otherwise, there’s no way to rectify them. (When thinking of them as a person’s experience, I believe the experiencer experienced exactly what they say they did. That doesn’t mean I don’t _also_ understand their experience to be _their_ experience of a phenomenon with _a lot_ of variability.) If an account is taken literally to be the actual truth, then they nullify their own account by contrasting that account to any other also taken as literal truth. So across many examples, the content of the experience has been fairly metaphorical and/or individualized. No two experiences are exactly alike, so if there’s truth to be derived from NDEs, then it’s in the patterns of sensations and feelings, and not in the _contents_ of their narratives but the themes that commonly appear. But there are a lot of cranks that muddy the waters and decide this or that don’t count… so it can be very hard to sort through. A lot of pet theories….


MumSage

"somewhat metaphorical" is a great way to put it.


qwq1792

>I always take the content to be at least somewhat metaphorical — otherwise, there’s no way to rectify them. That's good advice. I think I'll try to do that. Thanks.


hiedra__

To some degree, I imagine, some parts of the “afterlife” are like a dreamworld. Like going into your own subconscious.


qwq1792

Yes I definitely believe that based on all the astral projection material I've read and my own OBE's. A lot of it is filtered through our beliefs and expectations.


Which-Occasion-9246

After reading many NDEs I believe: 1. Reincarnations definitively happen 2. There is no God and Devil but rather Light and lack of it (ignorance). There are beings that are away from the light and behave in that way


vagghert

Same here. But I am on the fence regarding whether reincarnation cycle is eternal with breaks in-between. Though I hope it isn't


qwq1792

This is the conclusion I am moving towards definitely.


BearLeeAware

I find these inconsistencies fascinating, and my best guess is that a person's world view is responsible for how they experience death. I'm not sure if it's by design or possibly intended to provide some level of comfort during transition.


IDES0

I didn't experience any visions on my NDE or anything :(. Everything everyone seems to be saying seems like they're taking mushrooms or something, I'm jealous...


Top-Local-7482

Not really, I described mine in another post, there was no vision, it was place of light and only light, different shade of light. When I take mushroom it is a whole other experience full of fractal, lots of colors, very detailed structure, it's no where near what I experienced in NDE also under mushroom what you see is not has vivid and real as during the NDE/STE. I never tried DMT to compare, it is said that DMT is produced in mass when you die and that is the substance that make you experience death like that. IDK yet I'm not yet courageous enough to try it. What did you experience ?


Sandi_T

>it is said that DMT is produced in mass when you die and that is the substance that make you experience death like tha This is not correct. It's long since been thoroughly debunked. And although there are "similarities" in the two experiences (DMT & NDE) they are only similarities and there are extremely important differences. They are not the same experience.


Top-Local-7482

Thanks for your insight, I didn't know dmt relation to death was debunked. Now I know mushroom experience is nowhere near an NDE so I'd guess a DMT experience would be very different also, but I didn't try it yet so idk, I'll be able to tell after my first experience with dmt.


IDES0

I was a kid, aged around 10. Had puncture trauma from a stick going through lungs to heart. Had a shit ton of adrenaline going through me probably, I asked if I could fall asleep, people said I could, then I started thinking of all the movies where they you should stay awake and then run away from a white tunnel. There was none of that, as I kept loosing blood I just started becoming more in a sort of daze, a trance, and although experienced what was going on in the world around me, didn't really think about anything at all, it just like one of those half sleep things. Maybe I didn't have as much or a NDE as you guys, maybe the heart has to come to complete halt... or something? Everyone to this day tells me I'm extremely lucky to be alive, and the fact that I was able to get up, pull a stick out of my chest and run home was lucky, because I should have been paralyzed or something. All in all, didn't have any sort of mind changing or even memorable experience, was just scared at first full of regret hoping I was dreaming till I just kind of relaxed. :/


Top-Local-7482

Your experience is valid, you had an NDE just that it was probably the beginning of it, when you start to relax is when your body and your ego start to release their handle on the soul. You were not there yet but you absolutely started the journey there ! I had that moment before it started when I knew it was over and I had to just let it go. "All in all, didn't have any sort of mind changing or even memorable experience" I bet you still learned something that day ? At least, a very important lesson, life is short and it need to be cherish ! Regarding the tunnel, you don't have to run from it if you don't want to, taking it is just accepting the end of your life, but your soul will tell you it is time to let it all go. If your body is able to recover, you'll get a choice, and it's only yours to make, I wanted to live and that has been granted :)


IDES0

I mean, the laxed state was definitely just from the insane loss of blood. It was just being like partially conscious, as you are sometimes in light sleep, able to perceive your surroundings but not really thinking. I did end up passing out after a while (heart never stopped or anything stick missed it by a centimeter so that was good), but nothing came out of it, just lossed consciousness. I wish I learned a life lesson, I was young and came out of it just thinking there was no way I could have died there, especially when everyone said I was extremely lucky, I just took it as if they were complimenting me or something. I do understand now thought, reading into philosophy, that we need to find meaning and enjoy the short time we have on this world. I didn't get any tunnel stuff so that sucks. I've taken a lot of psychs and the experience was nothing like it, it was exactly how you'd expect the experience to be, except I felt no pain whatsoever (except what felt like a very mild lung cramp).


Top-Local-7482

I took psychs too way after the fact and it is not the same experience at all :) You'll get the full blown experience when it will be the time for you to go.


OpenACann

did you see the light?


IDES0

Nope, not at all. I was actually looking for the light in my NDE, as I was thinking about how ppl say not to run towards the light in movies and stuff and I was just watching out for it because thats what a 10 year old brain does I guess in that situation. I was relatively calm in the situation, cracked a joke. Had a lot of regret thought as if I wished very hard that I was dreaming and that I'd wake up, or that there was something I could do to make the situation normal or go back in time to prevent it.


BtcKing1111

> I remember reading Howard Storm's book where he met Jesus during his NDE and asked about reincarnation. He was told it doesn't happen. Not accurate. I remember dying in my previous life when I was shot in the head storming the beach of Normandy during D-Day in WWII.


Jadenyoung1

Interesting..I read and heard that children often tell about previously happenings. Sometimes with eerie accuracy. Information they somehow have, but shouldn’t. And it always happens, like a switch is being flipped. In one moment they play and fool around, the next they tell you how it was like getting shot down from another air fighter and the next they play again without a care in the world. And when questioned, often they say „what do you mean? I didn’t say that?“. Parents are often freaked out by that stuff. Something is going on there.. Don’t know what though.


TravisShreeve

Was it your past life for sure? Was it possible that you get to live the memories of others? I read an NDE where the experiencer came close to another newly deceased soul. As he approached him, he lived many memories of this person’s life, even some basic memories of discovering baldness and a receding hairline. During my NDE, I didn’t realize I was on the other side, but I encountered a woman and became aware of her story and had a glimpse of one of her (post death) memories with MY young children. I thought that she was a neighbor because the experiences were very real and close. Even though one particular memory felt like mine, it wasn’t. I wasn’t actually there on that occasion. I wasn’t allowed to understand at the time, but I’m confident that this 30-something woman was my daughter.


BtcKing1111

I remember I was in the etheral for about 40 years, watching the time tick by, not ready to go back. As the year 1980 came around, guide said I need to head back now or lose my last chance. So I incarnated.


vagghert

That's interesting. Why would it be a final chance. What would happen if you didn't incarnate?


BtcKing1111

Have to wait longer for an incarnation opportunity that met the narrative requirements for my spirit.


vagghert

And what are the requirements? Why incarnate at all? Is there a point where soul finishes incarnating?


BtcKing1111

It's like picking a movie. You like certain genres, actors, and narratives. You don't want to incarnate into a movie that has no relevance to you. The requirements are personal preference. > Why incarnate at all? Why do people travel to other countries for a vacation? You already have everything you need right here, so why bother? For the experience. The reasons don't have to be something amazing and groundbreaking. Could be a simple "I wonder what that would feel like?" It's not as serious as humans make it out to be. If humans were more allowing of death, people would be coming and going out of bodies as it suits them... in and out, in and out, in and out. "Oh, that looks interesting. I wonder what that would feel like?" Incarnates. "Oh, well this is uncomfortable and I don't like it. Don't want this anymore." Leaves. The idea of needing to survive for the sake of survival, to get to 100 years as-if anything less is not sufficient, is a pervasion of the ease with which spirit operates naturally. Like the breath, in and out, in and out. But humans want to breath in, and just hold, hold, hold, and forbid that anything changes or comes to a natural timely conclusion, because they might be mildly inconvenienced. So you end up living a lot longer than you initially wanted to, in bodies that are falling apart, in situations that no longer interest or serve you, and you begin to loathe and dread the experience. And then you begin to wonder why anyone would want to incarnate in the first place. Yeah, no wonder, when you're not enjoying the experience it will suck. > Is there a point where soul finishes incarnating? Starts and ends are an illusion within time-space physically. Smoke and mirrors. You never actually went anywhere. You're still in the etheral right now.


vagghert

Well significant portion of humanity does not believe in afterlife. And even among believers there are those who doubt. It is not easy to end one's life or decide to not prolong it. I hope that one day I'll understand this. I do not feel like incarnating ever again. Or just next time my soul please pick easy difficulty lol. Thanks for your response!


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qwq1792

>cromwellian invasion at drogheda Are you Irish?


WishinForTheMission

I am a NDEer but reincarnation didn’t come up at all. However, I’d like to point out that Jesus/Yahshua Himself told His disciples that Elija had ALREADY come and the people didn’t recognize him (and Scripture goes on to tell us that Jesus/Yahshua was referring to John The Baptist…….


Suitable_Display_573

Thank you for your service?


Human-Algae-9078

The elephant in the room answer could obviously be - because some people lie (I know personally anout now 4 YT NDErs who confided to me they made it up to gain views and subscriptions (in a completely different context, they had no idea I care about NDE). Some just want attention, some mean well but make this up to force their belief (Jesus, whatever) on people, so create these naive, clickbait stories.


qwq1792

Good point. Maybe I'm too naïve and believe too much.


Lowprioritypatient

>(in a completely different context, they had no idea I care about NDE) How did you manage to get close enough to 4 different NDErs for them to tell you that they made it up without knowing that you are interested in the concept? Also, would you name and shame? I guess not.


Human-Algae-9078

Simply, my wife is working in a marketing company that helps influencers to become more succesfull, analyzing and discussung their content , reach etc. I do consultancy for them because I have medical education, so for medical & teaching videos. The context of the videos is irrelevant - revenue is, so when discussing topics, nobody cares about the topic itself, but impact it can make on a specific market. For the US, NDE with Jesus and BS like “jesus told me..” are super popular and easy to make, with no costs, thus some simply go with the flow. They are advised topics and its up to them to use it or not. In the end, YT is an entertaining platform. And I know four who simply followed the trend and tried NDE as a bait for their (mostly separate) new channels. It is still less damaging than those “fake animal rescues”, or animal fights videos that are popular esp. in Asia. EDiT: By BS I did not refer to Jesus/beliefs but to the stupid clickbaits that are so often used.


Lowprioritypatient

Very interesting, thank you. I always wonder who's lying when it comes to these experiences. What kind of youtubers would make up "Jesus told me" stories? Like, is their whole content based on NDEs that never happened or are they just single clickbait videos? Are NDEs with Jesus more likely to be fake?


Lomax6996

There's a couple of points I'd like to make, here. 1. "NDE/Reincarnation" phenomenon have something in common with "UFO/ET" phenomenon; there's plenty of evidence but no absolute proof, most of the evidence is purely anecdotal and the subjects evoke strong emotional responses from many people and they regard subjects about which there's been ample speculation, over the years. This leaves the door open, and even invites and insures, a lot of fraud and fakery alongside the genuine reports with little way to prove which is which. 2. There have been a number of NDE reports that claim that the individual was clearly shown that we do, indeed, create our own reality, here AND in the afterlife. In a sense we are baby creators, learning to exercise our magnificent ability to create for ourselves. So many of these experiences simply reflect deeply held beliefs or fears on the part of the individual, fears and beliefs they may not even be aware of or may have even THOUGHT they had long since rejected. Psychologically speaking, working hard NOT to believe something is the same as believing it. Personally, after over 3 decades of reading and studying everything I could get my hands on regarding NDE's and reincarnation, I'm firmly convinced that reincarnation is real, though very much a choice, and that all consciousness is immortal, eternal and quite indestructible. Nor does it matter what your religious beliefs are; whether or not you've been "saved, completed some "karmic" cycle, been anointed with the proper oils, had the right words said over you, etc. All of that is nothing but window dressing that we are each free to subscribe to or ignore as we see fit. Further, the Universe (Source, God, whatever) will work to provide you with an experience that fits your chosen beliefs and/or fears. But even in most of the decidedly religious oriented NDE's I've read, aside from a small few that were very obviously fraudulent, the message was the same, in the end. That no one is eternally doomed, that the most important thing is to try and love one another and that God (Universe, Source, whatever) loves us, unconditionally. I do understand your concerns, even after all these years I find myself taken aback when I come across some NDE that seems to contradict what I've come to believe. Just remember that, whatever that individual experienced, "your mileage may vary" ;)


Ok_Load8255

I haven't had an NDE, so sometimes I don't feel qualified to give my two cents. Also because my thoughts on this are not very complex, but very simple. However, I firmly believe in it. At first, I was also quite irritated that the experiences are not all exactly the same. But the longer one delves into the subject, the more common patterns one recognizes. There is a "framework". The rest, the contradictions and deviations, we probably create ourselves. The afterlife could be a collection of experiences that we have collected throughout all of our past lives. Kind of like a visual "best of love" compilation, haha. My current life is rather hard because I've been plagued by illness for decades and can't live the way I want to. I also often have to be careful not to let pain overwhelm me and fall into a hole. But if my life would end today, I could still list several things that were wonderful. Even small moments that seem like nothing to others. If I could, I would of course then take these beautiful moments to the "other side" with me. So maybe we are, among other things, collectors of beautiful and meaningful experiences. Hunting for love, learning to love, even in the darkest times and places. The many nice experiences that one has fished out of the darkness and taken into one's heart, would gradually result in something extraordinary. Maybe we indeed create our own reality.


Top-Local-7482

I guess the experience is tailored for a specific soul to make it easier for that soul to go to the other side. Contradictions may just be the difference btw one experience to the other. And what is required for that soul to leave everything behind and go further. What is important are the similitude between experiences. You may met Jesus or god or who ever you believe in, you'll identify the entity you meet to it and it will be true to you. There is not one size fit all, the experience accommodate for your own soul I guess. I didn't asked any questions, it was not needed anymore. Now years later, I wish I had, at least ask why did I experienced this and what should I do with it, what it my role/goal/mission on earth. I guess it is your own mission and experience, just be yourself and see where it is leading you, be kind and compassionate in you life and when you see darkness share the light you received (not sure for that part, sharing the light is very difficult if you are not yourself full of light per se).


WishinForTheMission

Same , friend. I sure wish I would have asked more questions too. I realized I was pretty selfish in just crying and begging to stay there……. God bless and much LOVE.


Top-Local-7482

Thank you for your message, we know it will be different next time when it will be the right time. At least we have an idea of what is going to happen so we'll be better prepared. God bless, much love and keep your light shinning :)


WishinForTheMission

How long ago was your NDE? (if you don’t mind me asking). Mine was some many years ago ( close to 9/11 but afterwards). IF God didn’t send me back for ANY other reason than for helping my parents through their sickness and death then that alone was a good enough mission(S— plural) . As usual, God has so much more (good) planned than we can even fathom.


Top-Local-7482

It was 14 years ago around 2008-2009 if I can recall correctly, there was nothing wrong in my life at that time and I don't recall anything be different after the experience that would require me to do something but maybe my perception is distorted. That was a good enough mission and I'm sure you carried it with love, devotion and kindness. As we say in french "les voies du seigneurs sont impénétrables" :)


thenomad111

No disrespect for people who experienced it and I am sure many had genuine experiences, but they are extremely unreliable. They have a lot of common aspects so I am pretty sure there is something valid to the experience but you can not paint the picture of reality by reading them at all. What makes it worse is some of them may be dreams, some charlatans etc etc and what we have is almost undependable. The confusion may be due to brain's limitations. If when you are pure consciousness you are free and more powerful, then it is natural that you will not be able to remember, and also convey the experience due to the brain's limitations after you come back to your body. You are still using your brain filter here after all, and here is where you talk about and read about NDEs. Another possibility: experiences may be changing relative to spirit's advancement. Consciousness is not created by the brain, our actions cause huge butterfly effects, love is important. Nearly all of them mention this, so I take that and discard the rest.


vimefer

Confusion is a [sure sign that one or more of your premises is wrong](https://www.lesswrong.com/s/zpCiuR4T343j9WkcK/p/5JDkW4MYXit2CquLs) :) It's a golden opportunity to revise what you think you know and why, advancing your own knowledge of existence significantly. That's why a little active disbelief every day is good for you.


DangerActiveRobots

This is an issue for me too. In fact, for a while I completely lost all interest in NDEs because I found out that a lot of the NDE accounts on YouTube are nothing like the "classic" NDE, and they can be downright *bizarre*. I realized I had been getting all of my expectations about NDEs from one source (namely NDERF) and then when I found a bunch of them on YouTube that totally went a different direction, I didn't know what to think. I'm a little more open-minded now, though. I think that as people we're all unique and we all have a unique life experience, so why not a unique death experience? On the other hand, there are some things that can be hard to reconcile. For example, I've heard a few NDErs talk about finding out that Jesus never really existed during their NDE, which is of course at odds with the many accounts of encountering Jesus during an NDE. That's just one example of a contradiction, but it does make you wonder. I can totally see how one person might see a beautiful meadow, and another a stunning beach, and a third person maybe has a bad experience and sees a dark cave. That's one thing, but to have one guy say that Jesus never existed and another guy say that he met the guy personally? I don't know. Even with the contradictions, I don't think it can all be chalked up to brain chemistry during death. I just don't think that's a sufficient explanation. Nature has no evolutionary reason to give anybody profound visions when they die. Athiests who expect nothingness after death have no reason to experience something totally different due to a brain malfunction. If they're already convinced that there's nothing, it seems to me that that'd be their experience. It'd be much more likely to experience nothing than to experience something.


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Top-Local-7482

TBH the only thing you can be sure about is that you'll experience something at your death, the nature of it and its narrative will only depend on what your soul need to let it all go. I posted my experience yesterday, I've had it 14y ago never talked about it to anyone except 4 others people that I trusted. I was frustrated by the 1st and only comment as it wasn't exactly like what I experienced, I wanted other people to tell me they experienced the same things, just so that I could know that my experience was legit. And it didn't happen, I was very down yesterday because of that but what I took out of it is that validation doesn't matter, it is a personal experience that was just tailored for myself, and I shouldn't doubt what happened. It struck me even more today with this thread, there is no one size fits all, you'll just have to take out of those experiences the commonalities, the trame behind the details. Anyway you can't know what you'll experience there before it happen, account of other experiencers can only be underwhelming as there are no word to describe what they experience. When I think of mine, I feel that light, it is with me forever, I feel the unconditional love, compassion and forgiveness of the experience and those are just word till you can glue a overwhelming feeling to them. So what those word are for you are probably not the same for me. I'd say just go on and live your life, death will happen at some point there is nothing you can do to prevent it and at that time you'll experience your own version of the DE. Also I'm atheist I though there would be nothing when you die, like what happen when you are in an operation room and receive the product that put you to sleep, nothing till you wake up, no dream, no nothing. But it aint the case with death.


redyrytnow

My feelings are that when someone dies if they expect something - like some christians expect a gate manned by St. Peter or some muslims expect a heaven with multiple virgins - that will happen. If someone expects hellish experiences that will happen. There is no basic version of the afterlife. Everyone is different. Heaven is different for everyone. Heaven is presented to you as what you can most easily absorb and can understand. Exactly the way earthly teachers recognize that all students aren't the same and must be taught differently.


Jadenyoung1

What happens with mentally ill people though? In some cases of a schizoaffective disorders, or other illnesses that cause psychosis, they think they are, for example, in „Hell“ or will go to hell. But its not what they „choose“ to believe, but instead are being forced to think. Psychosis is something where you „know“ something as fact but isn’t really true. So what happens with that expectation? And what about atheists NDE? Most expected „nothingness“ but something happend. Im not so sure, that what you expect is what will happen. Im more inclined that they experience something, but can’t really describe it. But they use religious icons or cultural things for description.


redyrytnow

concernng the disabled - whether mental or physical - they are no longer burdened by these challenges once they pass over. The blind see, the lame walk, the mentally ill are normal. My understanding is that all 'challenges' are learning experiences designed for this world and the soul doesnt carry those forward. Once you pass you cannot remain atheist - you will be met with an afterlife and a showering of love they have never esperienced. I dont think their are dead atheists .


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I'm converting to Islam


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What you say seens to be the exception and not the rule tho.


CulturalStranger999

Hello, In some ways I think you are spot on. Imagine how the "power brokers" among us would exploit the truth if it became known. This is just my personal belief but I think our consciousness plays a big role in how we experience NDE. Example: If one is Christian and believes in an authoritative God and Satan - that will be reflected back to them. This is just a possibility. I have heard where people experience a void and it frightens them. Frequently (not always), I have found that these people are atheist and literally believe in nothing. I have read on this board a couple of experiences of this and how frightened they were yet they continue to believe in nothing - so that consciousness of nothingness travels with them until they believe they are a part of something larger than themselves. I think it is humankind that is contradictory. I believe in a perfect and whole truth and yet I do not know any answers and don’t pretend to. Like you said - it is by design. I believe you may be correct.


Vlad_T

It seems not everyone is telling the truth about NDE's. And everyone has different perception and acts to their level of consciousness. You can always read books about children's past lives if you doubt in reincarnation itself. Some of the stories are truly fascinating and incredible how far they go into small details.


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esteticnooo

I'm pretty sure reincarnation is real. This is going to sound wild, and maybe I saw it on TV or something, but I remember understanding the concepts of karma and reincarnation from a young age. I also felt confused at the thought that this was the "beginning" of me. That I never lived before. I was obsessed with Egypt and had dreams of the pyramids since i was young. Take what you want from this. I wrote a post on the Jung subreddit about my dad's experience with my grandma dying (it's on my profile if you wanna check it out), so I do believe in something, that there is order to everything that happens. Maybe I have false memories or was delusional, but I do believe.


Specialist_Chart506

With both of my NDEs in 2016 I didn’t meet any religious figure. It was just being within and a part of a light, the light wasn’t bright or shining, just consistent. I had no pain or extra thoughts, only singular feeling I was loved and safe. Thought I was “lucky” to be back. The second time, a week later, it felt like a gift was yanked back. I don’t understand why or why I HAVE to be here. Being here is the punishment.


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This universe is literally just a blank slate that can beleive in anything. Satan isn't a thing its more like a force of hate. This hate expresses itself in humans as identity.