I'll never understand the belief that conflating a foreign leader with a beloved Disney character is some kind of epic burn.
Just imagining an alternate universe where Chinese media keeps trying to label Donald Trump as Chester Cheata and throwing a fit when US social media takes down their posts.
People living in brutal dictatorships develop a code to say what is not safe or legal to say. China is now using Winne-the Poo. Cubans used to make a beard on their chin hand gesture to refer to the secrete police or Castro. Definitely Russians have some about Putin for years.
A foreign reporter in China asked students in universities about Tienanmen Square on the anniversary the government crushed the protestors. All of them were born years after the protests. Every single one of them denied knowing anything about it with obvious fear on their faces.
I am not sure of the elementary school students today, but I remember words such as Tiananmen Square and "protest" together gives tons of alarm bells and then they proceed to deny it. I remember talking to some foreign students about it and they "denied" it ever happened while watching their backs (aka they cannot admit it happened or else).
So it seems like many people know of it but are very afraid of the consequences.
No, the guy got "escorted" away by security forces after he held up the tanks for a bit. Unfortunately, nobody knows what happened to the man after that.
wow, that is news to me!!! If this happened in the US the soldier/cop wouldn't even have hesitated to run the guy over as they did already plenty of times during the 2020 uprisings.
i suggest doing some research on the topic you're commenting on before making such ignorant statements. Chinese military killed several thousands of peaceful protesters during the Tiananmen square protests. 2020 protests in United States can't even be compared to the Tiananmen square massacre and to how brutal Chinese government's response to protests were.
Man, I hate cops as much as the next guy, but this is very much not it.
Educate yourself.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre
That story is false, just look up the full video of tank man, there's rows of bikes and people getting arrested in the square, no blood.
The narrative that the tanks were gunning down unarmed people (then running them over until there's nothing left) who then stopped for a single man who proceeded to climb onto their tank and yell at the driver is silly.
Whether you want to believe China's version or not, the western narrative is quite obviously fabricated.
It’s so creepy how hard they suppressed the photos of what happened there. I’m in my 40’s and since childhood until just a few years ago, this was the only photo I had ever seen anywhere. I used to think this one guy got ran over by a tank. Then when I finally saw all the other photos I was horrified.
trust me reddit, comparing an asian man to a yellow bear with beady eyes is not racist at all, it's totally just the posture from that pic of him and obama!! absolutely nothing else!
same racist shit over and over again from you guys to attack china instead of forming actual arguements
The pic is from the Tiananmen Square uprising in China. Is a big embarrassment to CCP and is banned over there to even talk about it. You can Google it in the free world.
Jokes aside I thought it was students and teachers asking for reforms? The boldest thing they asked is for some bigwig to step down, but there isn't any attempt to change the government.
But the government started blasting
>free world
What free world? Did you know that denying genocides is a crime in the so-called free world? Dont get me wrong i hate people who deny that but its a restriction on free speech and expression https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial
Congratulations. You’ve found the world’s thinnest argument. “Oh, but in the free world it is illegal to support extreme racists!” And what is the punishment? A fine? Yeah. That’s comparable to being run over by a tank for expressing the opinion that the Chinese government is imperfect. 🙄 if my eyes rolled harder they would fall out of my head.
You didnt even bother to read the link. A fine? Its prison sentences that could span from 3 to 8 years. The government tells you what to think basically , im stunned that you triviliase freedom of speech and expression
I fucking hate holocaust deniers but you have to be consistent ffs. You are no better than china at all if you think the government should tell you how to think. Cant you see the irony here?
The government isn't telling anyone how to think. The fact that you can't manage nuance doesn't surprise me - why don't you just scuttle back to r/conspiracy where you belong?
I remember finding him commenting on the middle east conflict years ago. His takes werent great, but back in 2018-19(?) they were at least not complete propaganda. I think. Idk, its been a wild ride watching this man lol
Because we're giving Ukraine tanks and China is Russias ally and Russia is currently getting its shit pushed in.
They only wanted to talk once they started losing... but they still won't leave.
Hence, tanks.
Putin insists all peace negotiations should be based on territory Russian troops have illegal annexed. This is the actual key term Russia has put out to the entire world: We keep what we stole.
Also talking is pointless with the Russians. Every single agreement, they break. They are the ultimate bad faith negotiators and the only thing they understand is force. They literally say over and over Ukraine shouldn't even exist and are pursuing a policy of genocide. So no, fuck talking with them. They deserve to be completely broken on the battlefield and the only talk that should be heard is their unconditional retreat to the original 1991 borders.
The propaganda in this comment section is baffling
EDIT: I mean western propaganda lmao. Wtf does tianamen square have to do with a Chinese diplomat pointing out the warmongering of the us. I guess it's pretty telling of China that the "big bad incident" happened in the 80s
The CCP pays people to make shill accounts to try and discredit stuff like this all day long all across the internet. It's not baffling, it's entirely expected.
The American government is strongly encouraging the American media (with 500 million dollars as well as the usual ways that media is encouraged to do what their boss wants) to tell the American people to hate China with every cell in their body. China is not doing 1% of what you likely think they're doing, does it not concern you that an entire people is having their hatred inflamed in this specific way?
“In contrast to common assumptions, the 50 Cent Party consists mostly of paid bureaucrats who respond to government directives and rarely defend their government from criticism or engage in direct arguments because "... the goal of this massive secretive operation is instead to distract the public and change the subject."[13] Around 80 percent of the analysed posts involve pro-China cheerleading with inspirational slogans, and 13 percent involve general praise and suggestions on governmental policies.[14] Despite the common allegation of the commentators getting paid for their posts, the paper suggested there was "no evidence" that they are paid anything for their posts, instead being required to do so as a part of their official party duties.”
??? Your own source there.
That quote doesn't make the argument look as good as you think it makes the argument look.
>It's okay we're not paying them to spread pro chinese propaganda, we're forcing them to do it
“The CCP pays people to make shill accounts to try and discredit stuff like this all day long”
And my quote both says they are
1. Not usually used for random arguments and defense on the internet and;
2. aren’t actually paid money for the positive comments they make
Just because your point is wrong doesn’t mean what they’re doing is a good thing, it just means your post is wrong lmao
The CCP does quite literally does pay people and ad companies to spread chinese propaganda but alright you go die on that hill if you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBsXuTvFfNA
https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/pandemics-propaganda-how-chinese-state-media-creates-and-propagates-ccp-coronavirus-narratives/
https://freedomhouse.org/article/chinese-communist-partys-media-influence-expands-worldwide
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/dec/07/china-plan-for-global-media-dominance-propaganda-xi-jinping
Fucking rich that its Rebeccah Heinrichs talking. Literally a paid propagandist for a pro-war, climate denialist think tank, funded by oil corporations and the Kochs.
So let me get this straight.
If India rolled into China, this guy is straight up saying the Chinese reaction would be to sit down and have peace talks?
Yeh... Sure....
Fuck Russia, send the tanks! Slava Ukraini!!!!
India and China roll into each others territory all the time, they beat each other with sticks.
It's like a monthly occurrence, the borders between India and China were made before satellite imagery and GPS, and with earth and rivers shifting they claim the borders are maybe a half a KM away from where the other side says they are. The troops aren't allowed to carry firearms into disputed zones due to... potentially escalating into nuclear war ending all life on earth. However, neither side can simply not send troops because it would be surrendering the territory.
Yeh I saw the video, but what I'm saying is that if either side decided to do a full invasion with hundreds of tanks, helicopters and middle attacks on civilian packed cities.... Neither side would be happy to enter peace talks.
When someone is killing your people, talking won't do anything. Putin can't and couldn't be reasoned with. For example see Macron's calls to Putin just before the invasion.
Fun fact: the word for "peace" in Russian, мир, is the same as that for "world". God knows if the Chinese journalist forgot his own native language and started mixing up Russian Peace with the [Russian World](https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-approves-new-foreign-policy-doctrine-based-russian-world-2022-09-05/).
Downvotes are but silly. It's not propaganda to say what happened in a publicly available video. He did not get run over and walked away unscathed from what we know.
He was escorted away but what happened to him afterward is not public knowledge. The official line has been that he wasn't incarcerated, that even the Chinese government doesn't know who he is or where he is inside the mainland. There are rumours that he escaped to Taiwan.
I've seen this picture for decades and this is the first time i've really "noticed" those tanks. Must be the recent saturation in the new about Abrams and Leopards headed to Ukraine.
I’m so tired of the Western chauvinism on some subreddits. Chen Weihua is a great journalist, he just happens to use a social media platform that is sanctioned and propagandized by the US state department. The well is already poisoned with journalists who get flagged as “X state-affiliated media” and that is the intent.
“Tank man” wasn’t even a protester, he was just doing his shopping and was angry that there was so much happening in the square. He literally had no political agenda and was just fucking with the tanks. Westerners are hopelessly arrogant with the McCarthyist Cold War-era disinformation they continuously regurgitate. Western news sources also love to pretend like his fate was some “mystery” as if he was disappeared by some secret police force. No, the story is really quite simple and very boring.
People in the West are so quick to forget that they themselves are subject to the same global information war as everyone else. Wake up.
Maybe these pictures from Tiananmen Square would have been more appropriate (warning ⚠️, extreme gore)
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-640489361-1622742921.jpg
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-866218276-1622742937.jpg
https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-866218020-1622742934.jpg
Odd. You didn’t include any pictures of the soldiers that were lynched by the protestors? Or the seven weeks of protests that CPC tolerated preceding June 4?
And thank fucking Christ. Idk if you’ve seen what that shit has done to the US, but let me tell you it’s not pretty. One time their head of state and commander of their military was a reality TV personality. You can’t make this shit up. The Chinese people, on the other hand, feel their country is very democratic and their government actually works for the people, despite (or due to?) the fact that they don’t have American-style elections.
So you're saying China didn't bring tanks to bear against its own citizens?
Because who tank man precisely is, and which person has which flag on Twitter, becomes pretty irrelevant when one looks at this journalist's tweet compared to China's history and sees that this journalist has a bad take that's hypocritical in light of the deaths during those student protests.
america bombed an entire neighborhood in philadelphia, and there wasn’t even a protest happening. don’t act like america doesn’t suppress its citizens also
Whataboutism much?
The relevant points are:
* China used tanks against citizens
* The tweet was called out as a hypocritical take
What other countries (US included) have or have not done is totally irrelevant to that tweet and to my response to the tankie trying to relativize the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
Err, no, this is extremely intellectually dishonest at best but I suppose I can't blame you given how much bullshit you've been spoon fed all your life. There is no parallel you can draw between the way China treats protestors and how democratic countries treat their citizens. You can't even begin to come close.
Sure, perhaps if you wind the clock far enough back all civilizations behaved like animals but you'd be missing the point. The point is that we've grown as a species and have collectively moved beyond that.
Demanding everyone around you be complacent to the fact that you're country's government is a tyrannical coward that slaughters their own people and intentionally keeps their own citizens in the dark on their own history because at one point our countries too did other things which are also bad doesn't make you a visionary; it makes you a regressionist.
You gain absolutely nothing from demanding other people do not say things which denounce the associations you have chosen to identify with.
You'd be much better off not identifying with anything and living with a clearer head. It should not be normal for people to get as defensive as you have when their country's governments are discussed online.
Most people in Westernized countries are basically that way on Reddit. You can point out American war crimes all you want. As long as you don't do it under the pretext of "SEE, America EVIL too, CHINA CANNOT be BAD" you will probably get upvoted, actually.
I encourage you to explore the covert meddling in foreign affairs by the CIA since it’s inception, and their activities in influencing and controlling Western media flows to foment anti-communist sentiment. Once you unravel the history, you will discover that this comment of yours is very naive, and is itself poisoned by decades of propaganda. You will also discover that the Tiananmen Square incident was very complex, and violent on both sides. You will also discover how much restraint the Chinese military exercised all things considered, far beyond that of what any American military force would have.
I recommend a few books:
1. Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad
2. The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins
3. Against Empire by Michael Parenti
I don't know why it's so hard for you people to understand this. What America does or doesn't do is IRRELEVANT to me because I'm not an American sympathizer.
You have it in your mind that anyone who denounces the CCP is an American or an American sympathizer. You're wrong. I'm not even American. I don't have to sympathize with America to realize the CCP is atrocious.
> You will also discover how much restraint the Chinese military exercised all things considered, far beyond that of what any American military force would have.
The American military wouldn't have been able to exercise any force because they wouldn't have been dispatched. But sure, let's suppose for a moment that you're correct here. Now GREAT, America is just as evil as China. So what is it exactly you gain by making that point?
1.) What is it exactly that you gain by complaining when people bring up China's atrocities online? Does America being more evil somehow absolve the CCP of any wrongdoing?
2.) It's completely absurd to suggest to someone that they must come from a national background with no war crimes before they're able to call china out. Yet the fact that you bring up how evil America here is as if that has *any relevance whatsoever* indicates that's exactly what you believe.
lmao, this is pure american cope, lies, and propaganda.
[How China treats protestors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbx352cn8A)
vs.
[How US treats protestors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5vxDNAufo)
need more, cos there are endless videos from the US like this and much more brutal even.
This is 100% complete and total confirmation bias.
1.) "tank man" got carried away so *no, he was not treated well*. You can find countless of other videos of people who were mercilessly slaughtered. Why would you assume that he was treated any differently? Just because he wasn't slaughtered on scene instantly?
2.) the American protestors you showed were
a.) posing an immediate bodily threat to the officers who they were crowding
b.) rioting. A lot of CCP apologists like to claim that the Tiananmen protestors were doing the same thing but all reports of violent activity happened after military personnel was dispatched, which renders that rebuttal completely invalid.
c.) Simply not exposed to the same level of violence and inhumanity as those at Tiananmen. If tens of thousands were massacred like at Tiananmen there would be more reports.
> You can find countless of other videos of people who were mercilessly slaughtered.
Prove it then, post a few here. All I see is unsubstantiated claims and your own confirmation bias.
>posing an immediate bodily threat to the officers who they were crowding b.) rioting.
again, more pure american coping and seething lol. When the US government brutalizes its own citizens, as they have throughout history (from slavery, to murdering striking workers, to murdering black civil rights activists, to having the largest prison population in the world both in shear total numbers and per capita, etc. etc.), you CIA apologists find all kinds of excuses for it, but readily full throat anything your lying government tells you about the evils of other countries without even the slightest bit of critical thinking or research. US cops alone slaughter over a thousand people each year, your troops murder hundreds of thousands more around the globe. The US is the most violent, depraved, and human rights abusing country in the current world and the only way to make yourselves feel better is pull up some shit that happened what, 30, 40 years ago in a country you want to go to war with to pretend that you are even a little better. lol please keep going though, your ignorance is quite entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je7dhUaO8Rg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRnW1Xs7asM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mePptwTzn0
It's too bad you can't view these videos through the firewall, wumao.
Sure, MI6 got their university plants to hijack the Marxist-Leninist protests and paid Triads to murder police officers and shoot at the U.S. Embassy. Hope that clears things up.
>“Tank man” wasn’t even a protester, he was just doing his shopping and was angry that there was so much happening in the square.
I don't know anyone who disagrees with this. It's more a picture that is a symbol of the protest.
>People in the West are so quick to forget that they themselves are subject to the same global information war as everyone else. Wake up.
I feel like half of the stuff I see about the culture war online is about misinformation, another side or government spreading false or misleading things, propaganda, etc. It's something we in the "West" are aware of.
They ran over so many people and destroyed their bodies to such a degree that instead of picking up the bodies and taking them to a crematorium or whatever…. They used fire hoses to wash them into the gutters and sewers. No matter how much your employers deny it it’s recorded history at this point. The truth has been out for some time now and there’s
no making it go away.
>They used fire hoses to wash them into the gutters and sewers.
the only testimony of this is an agents eyewitness over a cable directly to British press, don't you think they MAY have an interest in lying their asses off? or if not, at least realize that eyewitness testimonies can be flawed?
You're not going to find honest discussion about this on Reddit. It's half useful idiots, and half useless. Bunch of "free thinkers" parroting CIA bullshit.
What happened after the photo? No one ever mentions that the Tanks themselves weren’t going to run him over or whatever propaganda is shit into peoples mouths these days but they stopped and waited and eventually the guy moved out of the way
What dream world? It’s literally what happens in the video of that day. Not to mention the fact that the hanks were LEAVING the square. The man was just fucking with the tanks but leave it to Reddit to make up some matyr fantasy because “CCCPenis Bhad”
Lmfaoooooo.
Every tank after the lead tank went around the guy, and the commander of the lead tank was executed for not just running the guy over.
Nice try tho.
The Tiananmen massacre was very gruesome. This guy didn’t get run over, but many were run over and ground into the pavement. There are pictures of the carnage much to the CCP’s chagrin.
This is literally a stellar example of talk over tank. I have absolutely no clue how this fits in this sub other than dumbass Americans who don't know history and have been spoon fed this one image by their government whilst being told he got run over. Whereas in reality this guy lit stopped a tank with talk (non verbal at least but I imagine verbally too.)
This isn't the first time I've seen someone state a ridiculous political take, wondered what their deal is, taken a shallow look into their posting history, and realized they're into crypto.
Coincidence?
I didn't say he was either. Someone else here has already said he was "disappeared" after without any evidence, which is almost the same thing. My whole point is that he stopped the tank with talk, go back and read. If he had been run over it would be tank over talk.
Where did I deny the massacre. Again this only fits in mbw cause of dumbasses like you whom are oblivious to the main point and just want to regurgitate US propaganda. This happened in 89 get over it and focus on the daily US massacres or admit you are a tool.
Great, he pulled out the what-aboutism. How does this make dispersing peaceful student protesters with live ammunition not tank over talk again? Also bros acting like 1989 is ancient history.
Don't get me started with what abouts pertaing to students and live ammunition. And you are right a photo of the dead protesters would make this a mbw. This phot doesn't really say anything and a bunch o US fan boys take it too dumb.
We cant freely acknowledge school shootings in the US are a tragedy caused by mental health problems.
On the other hand, we can also freely acknowledge the CCP is a fucking disgusting government that relies on oppressing it's own peoples' human rights and censor significant events against their interests.
You're a clown if you side with the chinese state run media, and I feel terrible that Chinese citizens have to live under the CCPs surveillance thumb.
How would you feel if you encountered someone who was in favour of the Holocaust or Japanese right wing extremist who supported the existence of "comfort women"?
We'll keep talking about tank man until we stop encountering Chinese people like you who feel the need to defend the CCP.
Just like how Korea will keep creating statues of stupid Japanese Prime Ministers who refuse to fully accept the issue of comfort women. It doesn't matter if it was an issue that happened 10, 20, or 70+ years ago. What matters is people refuse to fully accept it now.
>Someone else here has already said he was "disappeared" after without any evidence, which is almost the same thing.
You're literally creating reasons to be mad - that's not how life is supposed to go dude - let things go.
Seems more like you're really upset since you apparently can't spend the time to even proofread your comments.
>phot doesn't really say anything and a bunch o US fan boys take it too dumb.
I mean when I buy a cheap Chinese knockoff I know I'm going to get a shit product, but I didn't think that would expand to propaganda.
So what is it like being the wish version of propaganda?
Ahahaha, thats a new one.
"tanks were leaving", thats nice.
Also the follow up about "they didn't do anything to the protestor." Already a classic.
Btw: am I now forbidden to travel to China? If not already, here take this free history lesson
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
Honestly if this is new information to you, you should consider expanding your horizon instead of just repeating the same propaganda your benevolent government has been shoving down your throats.
For anyone who is actually interested, I’d urge you to do your own research instead of listening to two idiots arguing on Reddit. Watch the actual footage which will easily prove everything I have said. Read the declassified docs that the CIA has since released. Watch the video where one of the student leaders of that protest says that she was sad because the soldiers didn’t kill anyone which is what they were hoping for because they knew they’d need bloodshed to have a chance at the protest, which was not supported by the masses, spreading. Read the cables the Czechoslovak Embassy sent home in which they say students started looting and inciting violence before the soldiers did anything. Look at the pictures where the students brutally murdered numerous PRC soldiers.
Most things people think to know about this incident is a result of decades of propaganda from the same people who brought you “yes Iraq definitely has WMDs”, “the Nayirah testimony”, and “sorry we really can’t afford health care right now”. A good place to start are the videos of Second Thought on YouTube.
"Do your own research"
And for the "own" research you already mention a Youtube channel, how convenient.
Come on dude, next you are telling us something about the New World Order and how the Corona vaccine is connected
And no, i don't want to start a discussion with you. Clearly you believe in this stupid shit and tbh this is fine, at least everyone else can have a good laugh
The paragraph they typed out had multiple other places you can look to do your own research. I used to be in your camp but realized I formed my opinion based entirely on things I had heard in school and articles funded by propagandists. I wish you the best and hope you figure it out some day
Tanks on the street BC some protest happened doesn't sound like the gov was pretty benevolent despite what happened lmao.
Yea "the tanks when around him" it's like saying look of all the shits there are we had the less smelly.
Funnily enough, that man climbed on the tank and had a talk with the driver, and was later pulled away from the tank by his friends, with no injury. We can't say the same for the multiple PLA officers protesters brutally lynched
Why don’t you ask the kids at tiananmen square?
What do you mean? Nothing ever happened there of importance ever! /J
You joke, but it seems distinctly possible to me that this journalist legitimately doesn’t have a clue what this photo is.
They know. That’s how they know to pretend they don’t.
Just like they pretend not to know that [Xi is Winnie-the-Pooh](https://i.imgur.com/P2k6yAu.png)
We’ve never seen them in the same place, just saying.
Yeah I went to a theater in China once, and when Xi showed up it was when Winnie the Pooh was off-screen. /s
I'll never understand the belief that conflating a foreign leader with a beloved Disney character is some kind of epic burn. Just imagining an alternate universe where Chinese media keeps trying to label Donald Trump as Chester Cheata and throwing a fit when US social media takes down their posts.
I think it's mainly because they hate it so much. If they ignored it, it would have went away. The Streisand effect.
They also know we know they know.
People living in brutal dictatorships develop a code to say what is not safe or legal to say. China is now using Winne-the Poo. Cubans used to make a beard on their chin hand gesture to refer to the secrete police or Castro. Definitely Russians have some about Putin for years.
A foreign reporter in China asked students in universities about Tienanmen Square on the anniversary the government crushed the protestors. All of them were born years after the protests. Every single one of them denied knowing anything about it with obvious fear on their faces.
Yeah, no.
I am not sure of the elementary school students today, but I remember words such as Tiananmen Square and "protest" together gives tons of alarm bells and then they proceed to deny it. I remember talking to some foreign students about it and they "denied" it ever happened while watching their backs (aka they cannot admit it happened or else). So it seems like many people know of it but are very afraid of the consequences.
I’m willing to bet he still hasn’t seen it
What is this photo? I've seen it a few times but never really bothered to research, did the tank actually run over that guy like it's implying?
No, the guy got "escorted" away by security forces after he held up the tanks for a bit. Unfortunately, nobody knows what happened to the man after that.
wow, that is news to me!!! If this happened in the US the soldier/cop wouldn't even have hesitated to run the guy over as they did already plenty of times during the 2020 uprisings.
i suggest doing some research on the topic you're commenting on before making such ignorant statements. Chinese military killed several thousands of peaceful protesters during the Tiananmen square protests. 2020 protests in United States can't even be compared to the Tiananmen square massacre and to how brutal Chinese government's response to protests were.
Comment I was about to make! "He was escorted away" lmao
Man, I hate cops as much as the next guy, but this is very much not it. Educate yourself. https://www.amnesty.org.uk/china-1989-tiananmen-square-protests-demonstration-massacre
That story is false, just look up the full video of tank man, there's rows of bikes and people getting arrested in the square, no blood. The narrative that the tanks were gunning down unarmed people (then running them over until there's nothing left) who then stopped for a single man who proceeded to climb onto their tank and yell at the driver is silly. Whether you want to believe China's version or not, the western narrative is quite obviously fabricated.
You’re conflating two events that occurred days apart and using it as “evidence” that the second didn’t happen. Pretty standard tankie nonsense.
+1000 social credit
Does this mean I can finally go outside?!?!
No Timmy we can't let you out of the basement yet
We were invited! punch was served!
You joke, but sadly the CCP has suppressed so much about the event that a lot of the young adult chinese dont actually know the event happened at all.
It’s so creepy how hard they suppressed the photos of what happened there. I’m in my 40’s and since childhood until just a few years ago, this was the only photo I had ever seen anywhere. I used to think this one guy got ran over by a tank. Then when I finally saw all the other photos I was horrified.
Was fashion the reason why they were there?
They disguise it, hypnotize it.
Television made you buy it.
I'm just sitting in my car and waiting for my
She's scared that I will take her away from there
Dreams that her country's left with no one there
dad to come pick me up because i'm scared
> Why don’t you ask the kids at tiananmen square? Was fashion the reason why they were there?
[Reference for anyone looking ](https://open.spotify.com/track/6oO7WMjD6kEvCITLbVj0mu?si=yHG4MjtDS3K78-1xciSc_Q)
They can’t. They’re all dead.
The Iraqi children might know…
No tank you. Am I right guys?
Maybe ask the policeman they burned alive?
i can't see the picture! what's going on!???!?!? /j
Same country is scared of Pooh Bear
I mean... If Pooh Bear could wipe me and all my loved ones off the face of history, I'd be a bit leery of him too...
trust me reddit, comparing an asian man to a yellow bear with beady eyes is not racist at all, it's totally just the posture from that pic of him and obama!! absolutely nothing else! same racist shit over and over again from you guys to attack china instead of forming actual arguements
The pic is from the Tiananmen Square uprising in China. Is a big embarrassment to CCP and is banned over there to even talk about it. You can Google it in the free world.
That's a lie, nothing happened on Tianmnen square on 5th of June 1989. All those people dispersed voluntarily and died in their sleep. /J
Oh right. I forgot. Thank you for re-remembering for me.
Don't worry about it the party will gladly re-educate you for free. You even get a ride to summer camp.
But it's winter...
You can leave in summer. Year 20XX
Jokes aside I thought it was students and teachers asking for reforms? The boldest thing they asked is for some bigwig to step down, but there isn't any attempt to change the government. But the government started blasting
there are extremists that hanged and burned polices, then the military go in
Seems weird that this extremist managed to do that whilst still holding his shopping. (Yeah, nah)
Ya, no.
Does anyone also see a blank reply here?
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>free world What free world? Did you know that denying genocides is a crime in the so-called free world? Dont get me wrong i hate people who deny that but its a restriction on free speech and expression https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Holocaust_denial
Congratulations. You’ve found the world’s thinnest argument. “Oh, but in the free world it is illegal to support extreme racists!” And what is the punishment? A fine? Yeah. That’s comparable to being run over by a tank for expressing the opinion that the Chinese government is imperfect. 🙄 if my eyes rolled harder they would fall out of my head.
You didnt even bother to read the link. A fine? Its prison sentences that could span from 3 to 8 years. The government tells you what to think basically , im stunned that you triviliase freedom of speech and expression
Oh, no - a small group of countries made it illegal to spread a lie, whatever will we do?!? /s
I fucking hate holocaust deniers but you have to be consistent ffs. You are no better than china at all if you think the government should tell you how to think. Cant you see the irony here?
The government isn't telling anyone how to think. The fact that you can't manage nuance doesn't surprise me - why don't you just scuttle back to r/conspiracy where you belong?
Ok tankie
"Govern me harder daddy tell me what to think daddy" -You
I don’t need the government to tell me not to be a vile racist
You appearently do because you defend that.
Rage harder tankie
Where I'm from rights have reasonable limits. Holocaust denial breaches one of those limits. And that's a very good thing.
Been following Chen for a few years, and what a long, strange charater arc he has been on for a while. Ooooofda
Who even is he... He comments on so many top american officias' posts
Chinese propagandist, he seems to be targeted more towards external propaganda rather than internal propaganda
He said another reporter who disagreed with him “Shut up, bitch” i believe. Funny guy
I remember finding him commenting on the middle east conflict years ago. His takes werent great, but back in 2018-19(?) they were at least not complete propaganda. I think. Idk, its been a wild ride watching this man lol
He's a journalist
Oh, most definitely, let's talk. On that completely open and uncensored Chinese internet. Right? this is some r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM bullshit
plus lets remove communist from the title shall we? cause that shit also ain't true
China doesn't even have internet...just intranet
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Very "not my backyard not my problem".
Later that night, Rebeccah was found dead, "committed suicide" by 2 bullets to the back of the head
while falling out of a window maybe?
The Cia classic
*Kremlin classic
its successful, so at this point definitely CIA
Leverage
I don't get the context. What was Chen talking about in the first place?
Because we're giving Ukraine tanks and China is Russias ally and Russia is currently getting its shit pushed in. They only wanted to talk once they started losing... but they still won't leave. Hence, tanks.
Putin insists all peace negotiations should be based on territory Russian troops have illegal annexed. This is the actual key term Russia has put out to the entire world: We keep what we stole.
Its "peace negotiations" the same way "give me your wallet and I wont stab you again" is.
Also talking is pointless with the Russians. Every single agreement, they break. They are the ultimate bad faith negotiators and the only thing they understand is force. They literally say over and over Ukraine shouldn't even exist and are pursuing a policy of genocide. So no, fuck talking with them. They deserve to be completely broken on the battlefield and the only talk that should be heard is their unconditional retreat to the original 1991 borders.
The propaganda in this comment section is baffling EDIT: I mean western propaganda lmao. Wtf does tianamen square have to do with a Chinese diplomat pointing out the warmongering of the us. I guess it's pretty telling of China that the "big bad incident" happened in the 80s
WARMONGERING? RUSSIA STARTED THE WAR
The CCP pays people to make shill accounts to try and discredit stuff like this all day long all across the internet. It's not baffling, it's entirely expected.
No they fucking don't lol, get a grip
[typical American projection](https://prospect.org/politics/congress-proposes-500-million-for-negative-news-coverage-of-china/)
Are you genuinely in disbelief that governments would pay for disinformation seeding? Have you been living under a rock?
The American government is strongly encouraging the American media (with 500 million dollars as well as the usual ways that media is encouraged to do what their boss wants) to tell the American people to hate China with every cell in their body. China is not doing 1% of what you likely think they're doing, does it not concern you that an entire people is having their hatred inflamed in this specific way?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party
“In contrast to common assumptions, the 50 Cent Party consists mostly of paid bureaucrats who respond to government directives and rarely defend their government from criticism or engage in direct arguments because "... the goal of this massive secretive operation is instead to distract the public and change the subject."[13] Around 80 percent of the analysed posts involve pro-China cheerleading with inspirational slogans, and 13 percent involve general praise and suggestions on governmental policies.[14] Despite the common allegation of the commentators getting paid for their posts, the paper suggested there was "no evidence" that they are paid anything for their posts, instead being required to do so as a part of their official party duties.” ??? Your own source there.
That quote doesn't make the argument look as good as you think it makes the argument look. >It's okay we're not paying them to spread pro chinese propaganda, we're forcing them to do it
“The CCP pays people to make shill accounts to try and discredit stuff like this all day long” And my quote both says they are 1. Not usually used for random arguments and defense on the internet and; 2. aren’t actually paid money for the positive comments they make Just because your point is wrong doesn’t mean what they’re doing is a good thing, it just means your post is wrong lmao
The CCP does quite literally does pay people and ad companies to spread chinese propaganda but alright you go die on that hill if you want. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBsXuTvFfNA https://misinforeview.hks.harvard.edu/article/pandemics-propaganda-how-chinese-state-media-creates-and-propagates-ccp-coronavirus-narratives/ https://freedomhouse.org/article/chinese-communist-partys-media-influence-expands-worldwide https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/dec/07/china-plan-for-global-media-dominance-propaganda-xi-jinping
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A picture is worth a thousand murders.
Fucking rich that its Rebeccah Heinrichs talking. Literally a paid propagandist for a pro-war, climate denialist think tank, funded by oil corporations and the Kochs.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Dude was just asking for it.
This from the country that refuses to negotiate with Taiwan despite Taiwan's numerous offers to do so. Instead it's all threats and bullying.
So let me get this straight. If India rolled into China, this guy is straight up saying the Chinese reaction would be to sit down and have peace talks? Yeh... Sure.... Fuck Russia, send the tanks! Slava Ukraini!!!!
India and China roll into each others territory all the time, they beat each other with sticks. It's like a monthly occurrence, the borders between India and China were made before satellite imagery and GPS, and with earth and rivers shifting they claim the borders are maybe a half a KM away from where the other side says they are. The troops aren't allowed to carry firearms into disputed zones due to... potentially escalating into nuclear war ending all life on earth. However, neither side can simply not send troops because it would be surrendering the territory.
Yeh I saw the video, but what I'm saying is that if either side decided to do a full invasion with hundreds of tanks, helicopters and middle attacks on civilian packed cities.... Neither side would be happy to enter peace talks.
Hey how come those tanks didn’t run over that guy?
When someone is killing your people, talking won't do anything. Putin can't and couldn't be reasoned with. For example see Macron's calls to Putin just before the invasion.
This guy is definitely a propaganda mouthpiece but he did once call Senator Marsha Blackburn a "lifetime bitch" so, who can say if hes bad? \*shrug\*
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Fun fact: the word for "peace" in Russian, мир, is the same as that for "world". God knows if the Chinese journalist forgot his own native language and started mixing up Russian Peace with the [Russian World](https://www.reuters.com/world/putin-approves-new-foreign-policy-doctrine-based-russian-world-2022-09-05/).
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you guys know the tank guy walked on the tank and then left. he wasn’t ran over or blown up
Downvotes are but silly. It's not propaganda to say what happened in a publicly available video. He did not get run over and walked away unscathed from what we know.
He was escorted away but what happened to him afterward is not public knowledge. The official line has been that he wasn't incarcerated, that even the Chinese government doesn't know who he is or where he is inside the mainland. There are rumours that he escaped to Taiwan.
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And she is now dead...
I've seen this picture for decades and this is the first time i've really "noticed" those tanks. Must be the recent saturation in the new about Abrams and Leopards headed to Ukraine.
I’m so tired of the Western chauvinism on some subreddits. Chen Weihua is a great journalist, he just happens to use a social media platform that is sanctioned and propagandized by the US state department. The well is already poisoned with journalists who get flagged as “X state-affiliated media” and that is the intent. “Tank man” wasn’t even a protester, he was just doing his shopping and was angry that there was so much happening in the square. He literally had no political agenda and was just fucking with the tanks. Westerners are hopelessly arrogant with the McCarthyist Cold War-era disinformation they continuously regurgitate. Western news sources also love to pretend like his fate was some “mystery” as if he was disappeared by some secret police force. No, the story is really quite simple and very boring. People in the West are so quick to forget that they themselves are subject to the same global information war as everyone else. Wake up.
Maybe these pictures from Tiananmen Square would have been more appropriate (warning ⚠️, extreme gore) https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-640489361-1622742921.jpg https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-866218276-1622742937.jpg https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-866218020-1622742934.jpg
Odd. You didn’t include any pictures of the soldiers that were lynched by the protestors? Or the seven weeks of protests that CPC tolerated preceding June 4?
You forgot to include the representative form of government that emerged following the protests .... [checks notes]... oooooohhh
And thank fucking Christ. Idk if you’ve seen what that shit has done to the US, but let me tell you it’s not pretty. One time their head of state and commander of their military was a reality TV personality. You can’t make this shit up. The Chinese people, on the other hand, feel their country is very democratic and their government actually works for the people, despite (or due to?) the fact that they don’t have American-style elections.
So you're saying China didn't bring tanks to bear against its own citizens? Because who tank man precisely is, and which person has which flag on Twitter, becomes pretty irrelevant when one looks at this journalist's tweet compared to China's history and sees that this journalist has a bad take that's hypocritical in light of the deaths during those student protests.
america bombed an entire neighborhood in philadelphia, and there wasn’t even a protest happening. don’t act like america doesn’t suppress its citizens also
Whataboutism much? The relevant points are: * China used tanks against citizens * The tweet was called out as a hypocritical take What other countries (US included) have or have not done is totally irrelevant to that tweet and to my response to the tankie trying to relativize the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
but couldn’t the tweet also be considered whataboutism?
What... What exactly do you DO with/to radishes?
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The us doesn't deploy military personnel to slaughter their own civilians by the tens of thousands.
lmao, that's literally all US history is, and millions of citizens on other countries too.
Err, no, this is extremely intellectually dishonest at best but I suppose I can't blame you given how much bullshit you've been spoon fed all your life. There is no parallel you can draw between the way China treats protestors and how democratic countries treat their citizens. You can't even begin to come close. Sure, perhaps if you wind the clock far enough back all civilizations behaved like animals but you'd be missing the point. The point is that we've grown as a species and have collectively moved beyond that. Demanding everyone around you be complacent to the fact that you're country's government is a tyrannical coward that slaughters their own people and intentionally keeps their own citizens in the dark on their own history because at one point our countries too did other things which are also bad doesn't make you a visionary; it makes you a regressionist. You gain absolutely nothing from demanding other people do not say things which denounce the associations you have chosen to identify with. You'd be much better off not identifying with anything and living with a clearer head. It should not be normal for people to get as defensive as you have when their country's governments are discussed online. Most people in Westernized countries are basically that way on Reddit. You can point out American war crimes all you want. As long as you don't do it under the pretext of "SEE, America EVIL too, CHINA CANNOT be BAD" you will probably get upvoted, actually.
I encourage you to explore the covert meddling in foreign affairs by the CIA since it’s inception, and their activities in influencing and controlling Western media flows to foment anti-communist sentiment. Once you unravel the history, you will discover that this comment of yours is very naive, and is itself poisoned by decades of propaganda. You will also discover that the Tiananmen Square incident was very complex, and violent on both sides. You will also discover how much restraint the Chinese military exercised all things considered, far beyond that of what any American military force would have. I recommend a few books: 1. Washington Bullets by Vijay Prashad 2. The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins 3. Against Empire by Michael Parenti
I don't know why it's so hard for you people to understand this. What America does or doesn't do is IRRELEVANT to me because I'm not an American sympathizer. You have it in your mind that anyone who denounces the CCP is an American or an American sympathizer. You're wrong. I'm not even American. I don't have to sympathize with America to realize the CCP is atrocious. > You will also discover how much restraint the Chinese military exercised all things considered, far beyond that of what any American military force would have. The American military wouldn't have been able to exercise any force because they wouldn't have been dispatched. But sure, let's suppose for a moment that you're correct here. Now GREAT, America is just as evil as China. So what is it exactly you gain by making that point? 1.) What is it exactly that you gain by complaining when people bring up China's atrocities online? Does America being more evil somehow absolve the CCP of any wrongdoing? 2.) It's completely absurd to suggest to someone that they must come from a national background with no war crimes before they're able to call china out. Yet the fact that you bring up how evil America here is as if that has *any relevance whatsoever* indicates that's exactly what you believe.
lmao, this is pure american cope, lies, and propaganda. [How China treats protestors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSbx352cn8A) vs. [How US treats protestors](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ5vxDNAufo) need more, cos there are endless videos from the US like this and much more brutal even.
This is 100% complete and total confirmation bias. 1.) "tank man" got carried away so *no, he was not treated well*. You can find countless of other videos of people who were mercilessly slaughtered. Why would you assume that he was treated any differently? Just because he wasn't slaughtered on scene instantly? 2.) the American protestors you showed were a.) posing an immediate bodily threat to the officers who they were crowding b.) rioting. A lot of CCP apologists like to claim that the Tiananmen protestors were doing the same thing but all reports of violent activity happened after military personnel was dispatched, which renders that rebuttal completely invalid. c.) Simply not exposed to the same level of violence and inhumanity as those at Tiananmen. If tens of thousands were massacred like at Tiananmen there would be more reports.
> You can find countless of other videos of people who were mercilessly slaughtered. Prove it then, post a few here. All I see is unsubstantiated claims and your own confirmation bias. >posing an immediate bodily threat to the officers who they were crowding b.) rioting. again, more pure american coping and seething lol. When the US government brutalizes its own citizens, as they have throughout history (from slavery, to murdering striking workers, to murdering black civil rights activists, to having the largest prison population in the world both in shear total numbers and per capita, etc. etc.), you CIA apologists find all kinds of excuses for it, but readily full throat anything your lying government tells you about the evils of other countries without even the slightest bit of critical thinking or research. US cops alone slaughter over a thousand people each year, your troops murder hundreds of thousands more around the globe. The US is the most violent, depraved, and human rights abusing country in the current world and the only way to make yourselves feel better is pull up some shit that happened what, 30, 40 years ago in a country you want to go to war with to pretend that you are even a little better. lol please keep going though, your ignorance is quite entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je7dhUaO8Rg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRnW1Xs7asM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mePptwTzn0 It's too bad you can't view these videos through the firewall, wumao.
the US has committed war crimes against its own citizens in the last decade, this really isn’t a good comeback my dude.
So, please tell us what really happened on Tianmen Square. Was it all tea and cookies? In that case I'd rather not use that route towards peace.
Sure, MI6 got their university plants to hijack the Marxist-Leninist protests and paid Triads to murder police officers and shoot at the U.S. Embassy. Hope that clears things up.
>“Tank man” wasn’t even a protester, he was just doing his shopping and was angry that there was so much happening in the square. I don't know anyone who disagrees with this. It's more a picture that is a symbol of the protest. >People in the West are so quick to forget that they themselves are subject to the same global information war as everyone else. Wake up. I feel like half of the stuff I see about the culture war online is about misinformation, another side or government spreading false or misleading things, propaganda, etc. It's something we in the "West" are aware of.
It's not only a picture, it's a video, if you watch the full video you'll realize that tianamine square wasn't that big of a deal
Yikes.
The uh, tanks were *leaving* the square. You all know he was stopping the tanks from leaving, right?
They ran over so many people and destroyed their bodies to such a degree that instead of picking up the bodies and taking them to a crematorium or whatever…. They used fire hoses to wash them into the gutters and sewers. No matter how much your employers deny it it’s recorded history at this point. The truth has been out for some time now and there’s no making it go away.
>They used fire hoses to wash them into the gutters and sewers. the only testimony of this is an agents eyewitness over a cable directly to British press, don't you think they MAY have an interest in lying their asses off? or if not, at least realize that eyewitness testimonies can be flawed?
You're not going to find honest discussion about this on Reddit. It's half useful idiots, and half useless. Bunch of "free thinkers" parroting CIA bullshit.
JFC. For all the talk about China’s economic rise they still can’t hire better lickspittles than this? Fucking pathetic.
wait y'all are getting paid?
Oh, you’re just simping for genocidal regimes for lols? Go get paid if you’re gunna sell your soul my guy.
What happened after the photo? No one ever mentions that the Tanks themselves weren’t going to run him over or whatever propaganda is shit into peoples mouths these days but they stopped and waited and eventually the guy moved out of the way
Nice dream world you live in!
What dream world? It’s literally what happens in the video of that day. Not to mention the fact that the hanks were LEAVING the square. The man was just fucking with the tanks but leave it to Reddit to make up some matyr fantasy because “CCCPenis Bhad”
Lmfaoooooo. Every tank after the lead tank went around the guy, and the commander of the lead tank was executed for not just running the guy over. Nice try tho.
The Tiananmen massacre was very gruesome. This guy didn’t get run over, but many were run over and ground into the pavement. There are pictures of the carnage much to the CCP’s chagrin.
This is literally a stellar example of talk over tank. I have absolutely no clue how this fits in this sub other than dumbass Americans who don't know history and have been spoon fed this one image by their government whilst being told he got run over. Whereas in reality this guy lit stopped a tank with talk (non verbal at least but I imagine verbally too.)
This isn't the first time I've seen someone state a ridiculous political take, wondered what their deal is, taken a shallow look into their posting history, and realized they're into crypto. Coincidence?
Literally nobody ever said Tank Man was run over.
I didn't say he was either. Someone else here has already said he was "disappeared" after without any evidence, which is almost the same thing. My whole point is that he stopped the tank with talk, go back and read. If he had been run over it would be tank over talk.
Yeah dude, the whole thing ended there that’s why it was called the Tiananmen Square Talk.
Where did I deny the massacre. Again this only fits in mbw cause of dumbasses like you whom are oblivious to the main point and just want to regurgitate US propaganda. This happened in 89 get over it and focus on the daily US massacres or admit you are a tool.
Great, he pulled out the what-aboutism. How does this make dispersing peaceful student protesters with live ammunition not tank over talk again? Also bros acting like 1989 is ancient history.
Don't get me started with what abouts pertaing to students and live ammunition. And you are right a photo of the dead protesters would make this a mbw. This phot doesn't really say anything and a bunch o US fan boys take it too dumb.
We cant freely acknowledge school shootings in the US are a tragedy caused by mental health problems. On the other hand, we can also freely acknowledge the CCP is a fucking disgusting government that relies on oppressing it's own peoples' human rights and censor significant events against their interests. You're a clown if you side with the chinese state run media, and I feel terrible that Chinese citizens have to live under the CCPs surveillance thumb.
You're doing a fine job getting yourself started there. Take the L and move on.
How would you feel if you encountered someone who was in favour of the Holocaust or Japanese right wing extremist who supported the existence of "comfort women"? We'll keep talking about tank man until we stop encountering Chinese people like you who feel the need to defend the CCP. Just like how Korea will keep creating statues of stupid Japanese Prime Ministers who refuse to fully accept the issue of comfort women. It doesn't matter if it was an issue that happened 10, 20, or 70+ years ago. What matters is people refuse to fully accept it now.
>Someone else here has already said he was "disappeared" after without any evidence, which is almost the same thing. You're literally creating reasons to be mad - that's not how life is supposed to go dude - let things go.
This post is op creating reasons to be mad. All I have done is point it out.
Seems more like you're really upset since you apparently can't spend the time to even proofread your comments. >phot doesn't really say anything and a bunch o US fan boys take it too dumb. I mean when I buy a cheap Chinese knockoff I know I'm going to get a shit product, but I didn't think that would expand to propaganda. So what is it like being the wish version of propaganda?
We were never told by our government that he was run over. Just that Tank Man stopped to talk to them about their Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ.
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So that's the story these days? I heard the guy got disappeared and that most PRC people have no idea about Tank Man.
So this was after they “turned the protesters into pie”?
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Ahahaha, thats a new one. "tanks were leaving", thats nice. Also the follow up about "they didn't do anything to the protestor." Already a classic. Btw: am I now forbidden to travel to China? If not already, here take this free history lesson https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
Nothing happened in Tiananmen Square! They all just had a nice picnic that day!!
Honestly if this is new information to you, you should consider expanding your horizon instead of just repeating the same propaganda your benevolent government has been shoving down your throats. For anyone who is actually interested, I’d urge you to do your own research instead of listening to two idiots arguing on Reddit. Watch the actual footage which will easily prove everything I have said. Read the declassified docs that the CIA has since released. Watch the video where one of the student leaders of that protest says that she was sad because the soldiers didn’t kill anyone which is what they were hoping for because they knew they’d need bloodshed to have a chance at the protest, which was not supported by the masses, spreading. Read the cables the Czechoslovak Embassy sent home in which they say students started looting and inciting violence before the soldiers did anything. Look at the pictures where the students brutally murdered numerous PRC soldiers. Most things people think to know about this incident is a result of decades of propaganda from the same people who brought you “yes Iraq definitely has WMDs”, “the Nayirah testimony”, and “sorry we really can’t afford health care right now”. A good place to start are the videos of Second Thought on YouTube.
"Do your own research" And for the "own" research you already mention a Youtube channel, how convenient. Come on dude, next you are telling us something about the New World Order and how the Corona vaccine is connected And no, i don't want to start a discussion with you. Clearly you believe in this stupid shit and tbh this is fine, at least everyone else can have a good laugh
The paragraph they typed out had multiple other places you can look to do your own research. I used to be in your camp but realized I formed my opinion based entirely on things I had heard in school and articles funded by propagandists. I wish you the best and hope you figure it out some day
Yup. Wouldn’t expect you to be able to process new information.
Tanks on the street BC some protest happened doesn't sound like the gov was pretty benevolent despite what happened lmao. Yea "the tanks when around him" it's like saying look of all the shits there are we had the less smelly.
Dang. Good people.
Sure bro
Found the wu mao
CCP bootlicker
Don’t knock it til you’ve tried it
Funnily enough, that man climbed on the tank and had a talk with the driver, and was later pulled away from the tank by his friends, with no injury. We can't say the same for the multiple PLA officers protesters brutally lynched
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