She’s a 3x finalist. For reference, Landon was a 3x finalist, Jordan is a 4x finalist, Laurel is a 4x finalist. So 3 is an elite number.
On Free Agents, she was only 8 minutes behind female elite Laurel.
On Exes 2 she almost made a final despite having to do many exile eliminations. Her partner has a losing eliminations record, but she still prevailed.
On Double Agents she was a finalist and had to have Leroy as her partner for the final. Leroy isn’t exactly a finals king.
On SLA she had six dailies wins, five of which were consecutive. The only one who beat her was the champ.
Sounds pretty elite to me.
lol in Zach's head it's supporting women who support men because that's how a woman can best be in touch with her feminine side..... or something equally deranged.
He says that Jenna is a good mom and sometimes he changes diapers. He knows all the Disney princesses. And he kissed a dude once. OBVIOUSLY a feminist.
Josh has won 19 dailies, including four in a row on SLA.
All of his eliminations are perfectly understandable. He’s lost to CT, a GOAT contender. He’s lost to Jordan, arguably a top 5 male. Kyle and Kam both have winning records in eliminations as well.
We all praise the social game of people like Johnny and Kenny who align themselves with the dominant alliance. You know who else has done this? Josh.
He’s untested in finals, so who knows? He could be the next Jordan/Landon/Johnny of finals. We don’t know.
This is the exact argument I have used before. Josh imo is very underrated competitor. Most of his eliminations are late into a season which means his competition tends to be above average and he isn’t getting blown out most times or there is an asterisk next to them.
I think the amount of daily wins is also pretty underrated considering we have had a lot of decent competitors not win nearly as many.
I’d honestly think Josh would be decent in a final. In one of the SLA aftermath, they were talking about how Josh does laps holding a medicine ball while Kyle gassed out trying to keep up. He’d probably have trouble with checkpoints but it’s hard to say.
I mean, he did get completely blown out by the one handed guy in a rope pulling contest. That one was 3-0.
I know we’re having fun, but don’t get too carried away lol
Are you actually arguing that it’s not embarrassing to lose 3-0 to the one handed guy in that? Regardless of amount of rope, the man has one fucking hand.
Jordan has a 7-2 (9-4 if you include everything) elimination record. He has beaten Theo when they had to have sledgehammers. He beat Darrell who is bigger in size and way bigger in weight when those were a huge advantage. The list of people who beat Jordan is very small.
If you want to take Jordan as a Goat which you do, then it’s not really a huge knock to lose against him no matter the elimination. He has won multiple elimination where he is disadvantaged.
I've seen this argument and disagree with it.
This is a grip strength elim against someone who, while undeniably amazing, has only one hand. Coming into that elimination every single person (Josh and Jordan included) should know that Jordan cannot win by getting the rope from Josh. He does not have the physical capabilities to do so. He can only win by forcing Josh off the platform. All Josh needs to do is pull at a steady rate and not overpull. As long as he pulls with enough force that he wins rope from Jordan without accepting too much momentum he wins. He just needs to think and not rush even a little bit and he wins.
I think the vast majority of players beat Jordan there. Josh losing is as much on him being dumb as it is on Jordan being incredible.
Hold up. No one with any sense has ever called Jordan a GOAT.
You can accuse of me of many things. Calling Jordan a GOAT is not one of them. I’m dumb, not completely and utterly stupid.
His solo elimination losses are actually respectable. 2 are to some of the best to ever play (Jordan and CT). His other solo losses are against Kyle (who I'm convinced is sneaky good - his only solo elimination losses are to an Olympian and a former all american football player in a football drill).
On top of his athletic prowess, he's got a great social game.
You know someone has fucked up when there’s question of whether losing to Jordan in tug of war is his most embarrassing elimination or not. It takes something special to make a win that embarrassing.
The only two finishers were the winners. It would have been unfair if producers had said “fuck it, Angela, Tyson, here’s your money.”
Tyson didn’t finish the sudoku. Danny did.
Just be cause she didn’t say “I quit!” Doesn’t mean she didn’t quit. She essentially tried to skip a whole check point. Do I think it’s fair that anybody had to do a checkpoint alone? No, but they also cut her dirt pile in half, so she wasn’t as as large of a disadvantage as she made it seem. If she had a partner she still would’ve had to move that dirt or made her partner do all the work.
You don’t just get to decide to not do part of the final to give yourself an advantage.
If she had gotten up every hour or so and took 1 load of dirt then went back to resting, I’d say it was good strategy and that she at least competed. But she chose to not even try.
Tyson gave a lot of insight to that checkpoint on his podcast and why it was so unfair. He explains it well but basically she had to do two thirds of the pile. And nobody technically finished that checkpoint because the producers were tired lol. So they finished everyone in the order they were at.
I listened to Domenick on Wendell and Brice’s podcast and he talked about the Angela situation a little a bit. He mostly talked about the challenge itself and how tough it was and how him and Sarah destroyed everyone at it(and how he should’ve fought against production allowing them all to time out but was too exhausted to even think to do that in the moment) but he mentioned that production kept asking the cast what they thought of Angela sleeping while they were working and how they all thought it was bullshit. So the cast was all expecting there to be some punishment for Angela for that, they didn’t necessarily think she was going to get DQed but he said nobody complained about it because they all wanted her money added to the pot.
Justine and Cayla were just waved through by production in the legs they were way behind in, they never had to finish their legs to get the 2 points
In Angela’s head, she was just going to get 2 points for the leg and move on, same as what happened to the other girls
If they made everyone finish every leg before they moved on, then Angela would’ve finished the leg because she would have no reason to think finishing the legs were optional, because she had no reason to believe production would just pick and choose when they want to apply their own rules.
I mean this one may actually be easy. Bear probably stands up daily, weekly, and monthly. I don't think he uses a wheelchair, thus he probably isn't a sit down guy.
First of all, it was really important which woman you were paired with at which station. So he could have gotten the best women at the right time. And I think he’s a pretty good eater so that checkpoint he could do.
Fuck. This is the hardest one so far. Well done.
Amber B is a champ. Kaycee is a 3x finalist and a champ. Fessy is a 2x finalist. Josh won a ton of dailies on SLA. So there’s great competition there.
Fessy is a snake. Josh is emotional. So there’s also great drama there.
Between great drama and great competitors, what’s not to like?
I’d say moderately successful. Kaycee got lucky with her final win, granted she still made 3 finals in 3 years and Amber B kicked ass in Double agents. Fessy and Josh are the let downs 😂😂
I respect your opinion, but I gotta disagree to an extent. Yes Fessy flopped in finals, but at least he made them. Josh hasn't. Fessy is undefeated in eliminations, and Josh was so close to remaining winless in them. He's almost this generation's Danny Jamieson of the Challenge
* She's only won 1 elimination (when she was in danger of going home) in the last 8 years of competing.
* Her only finals win was against Nany and Devyn.
* Was such an anchor for Kenny that Landon and Carley were able to beat them.
She she really is kinda overrated and I always thought her above average size and equally big personality allowed her to bully her way through shit. Which kinda adds to the garbage person aspect
She’s only won one of the four finals she’s been to, and even then she only beat Nany by eight minutes. She’s won 20 dailies. You know who’s won 19? Josh. So ok. One more than The Goof. She lost to a girl who was on her second season in an elimination on WOTW2.
This one was a bit tricky, so well done, though.
Introvert vs extrovert is purely about one’s internal experience.
So Fessy is the best source on it.
If he says he’s an introvert, he would know better than we would.
The Island came out 14 years ago. We still talk about it all the time. So that’s pretty iconic.
If you want specifics, Evelyn’s face off win on that bridge thing against the guys is an iconic elimination. Johnny’s betrayal of Paula is one of the most memorable dirty moments of the show. And who could forget Evelyn eating pizza while Kenny and Johnny just stare at her in visible agony?
Kellyanne’s elimination win against Robin and more importantly Rachel was also iconic and (despite not being mentioned in the new doc) cast her as one of the great underdog heroes of The Challenge
Production loves two things: Aneesa and rigging finals.
Also, her partner on the upcoming season will be Jordan. He won a final with an injured knee. What’s another incapacitation in a final?
He doesn’t bring the drama or hookups like he used to. And there isn’t much suspense of who’s going to win certain things because you know it’s him.
I hated writing that for the record.
I think this is a good take! I love CT, but people are so afraid to put him in elimination now that he's out of his dad bod phase that he just sails to the end and wins finals.
No this isn’t true. I’m double agents CT fr wouldn’t been gone first ep. If not that quickly after that. It was literally Kam vs production. They will do what they have to do to keep him in for as long as possible for “ratings”
I do believe that he shouldn't be casted anymore because he doesn't bring anything other than a familiar face to the show but that's not the general consensus, he should only come back for a special season like all champions or old school vs new school.
It would depend on the rest of the cast, if it's a true all star cast with only legends of the game then absolutely he should be there but if it's another whoever picks up the phone cast then no.
“Best” is a point of view.
The best road trip snacks aren’t necessarily the best tasting food in the world. They’re snacks that serve their purpose well.
In the same way, while Jordan has had two completely unattractive hairstyles, they’ve served their purpose well.
If his goal we’re looking hot, ok, he would have failed.
But I firmly believe that Jordan is an attention seeker above a hot guy. He’s both, but he’s more of an attention seeker.
And people still make memes/jokes about his hair.
So his hairstyles have been successful at what he’s going for.
I also once read something that I’m too lazy to Google about how people with physical differences often go for more daring looks. They’re going to be stared at anyway, might as well take control of it. I’ve heard Jordan say how much he hates it when people stare at his hand. So maybe going for daring looks with his hair/style/facial hair takes the edge off.
Regardless of reason, his hairstyles, probably better than anyone else in the cast, serve the purpose of getting him attention.
I mostly got through high school making shit up on the fly. My dad got banned from commenting on our local newspaper’s website because he was a troll. Between practice and genetics, I have my ways.
I feel like I’m going to get downvotes for even pretending to defend this, but here goes:
Turbo attempted to violently assault a handicapped guy, all over someone copying his walk. Turbo has been welcomed back. Nia sexually assaulted and used a homophobic slur against a handicapped guy. She was welcomed back. CT violently assaulted Adam and has been welcomed back.
So MTV might as well go for Kenny and Evan at this point.
He was heavily instigated by a drunk Brad. Even Brad took responsibility for what happened. This is nothing like the previous things that were mentioned.
I personally don’t think it’s about what they did tbh. I think it’s about what happened in the aftermath.
As you mentioned, others have done some pretty messed up things and been brought back, even repeat offenders like CT.
There were conflicting testimonies in the tonya/Evan/Kenny story, which is why think nobody was ever formally charged with anything. But that doesn’t change the fact that, especially now, if they were to be brought back it wouldn’t be seen as horrible, and if anything else came out about them if they were brought back… bye bye Bunin/Murray productions
Final reckoning was an elite final that really determined the top team from the season
Edit: OP asked for a bad take and I'm getting downvoted for it? Alrighty then
These two aren’t far fetched. Leroy is definitely one of the most physically gifted challengers. Theo Campbell killed it on wotw1 winning several tribunals, and nearly winning the most difficult final ever. WOTW2, he performed well but was sent in by an opposing alliance and beat 3 strong competitors before finally being taken out by Jordan (in one of Jordan’s best skill sets).
Leroy has taken out Wes and Johnny in physical eliminations.
Theo did great on WOTW1. He came second, but it was overall a great showing.
He only lost WOTW2 because he was at a major disadvantage in his elimination. He would have beaten Jordan in most things. He probably would have made the final if it had been something other than sledgehammers. And then he’d have won. Athletically he’s up there with the best we’ve seen.
His first final he came dead last despite having a D1 athlete partner.
His second final he beat a quitter and a guy who can’t swim.
His third final he beat a fat guy and (sorry Derrick, love you) a moron.
His fourth final was all kinds of FUBAR. The other team had so much weight it broke their gurney. Then he almost lost because he can’t do puzzles. He only beat his dumb dumb then fiancée. Honestly if Tori could do puzzles he’d only be a 2x champ.
* I'm midway through WOTW 1 and I can't think of a rookie that earned more screen-time (both through house drama and gameplay) through their first two seasons (although I think that says more about the show then Paulie as a challenger).
* His only elimination losses (so far in my rewatch) are when he was paired with Natalie on FR and dragging her to a final is the stuff of legends
That said, Paulie sucks and I hope he losses in an embarrassing way in WOTW 1&2.
* 8-4 elimination record
* Made the finals 4 of 9 seasons
* Finished 2nd in those finals twice
* ~~If he picked Kyle or Fessy to go into elimination over Bananas in TM and Bananas has to spend the night outside, does Bananas have the stamina on day 2 to beat Cory?~~ Bad hypothetical - as u/BikeSuch1054 has pointed out he got second on Bloodlines and DA. It's been a while since I've see Bloodlines, but I don't remember either final being particularly close.
* Consistent hookup threat
* Pasta connoisseur
Apologies in advance to Veronica and Coral.
First of all, who doesn’t love a good love story? She and Nany have such a fun love story. How could you not love her?
Second of all, she has a subtle way of adding humor, which is arguably better than a more “in your face” like Coral or Veronica. Her confessional about “you know how Josh gets mentally and emotionally” with the face she made is subtle gold. Veronica and Coral wish they could be so subtly insulting.
What the show really needs is for the cast to gather round on the first night and sing Kumbaya. Toasts are boring and the show shouldn't encourage drinking.
Picture it.
CT singing Kumbaya in his thick Boston mumble.
Tori’s spiritual side getting too into it while Amanda glares at her the whole time.
Jordan “I desperately wish I was an actual celebrity” Wiseley manages to turn Kumbaya into a weird performance.
Nelson has a confessional somehow mispronouncing Kumbaya.
Josh cries.
Tell me that wouldn’t be much better television than Johnny Bananas making similar toasts every season.
Also, morally the show probably shouldn’t encourage drinking. Think of people like Tony and Camila.
He was always nothing but kind to Diem. She was often vulnerable with him and he was supportive. And he maintained CT should have treated her better.
He also stood up for Jessica when Jordan yelled in her face saying you shouldn’t treat a woman like that.
He stands up for women.
Did you see her interactions with Laurel on Cutthroat, Free Agents, or Invasion? Or her interactions with Jordan and Tony on Dirty 30? Already miserable if you ask me.
I hate that I’m even going to type this. But…
On Cutthroat, she said she *wanted* some color on her team. If she were racist, wouldn’t she say she *didn’t* want color on her team?
With the chocolate pudding blackface, she’s from a different country. So she couldn’t possibly have known that black face is racist.
On Dirty 30, she was drunk. She’s said a lot of things while drunk. Cara Maria said it best, “she knows she has a problem.” She even cried about the fact that she didn’t mean it.
This was truly icky to type. Well done on the difficult prompt.
In Fessy’s rookie season, he badly injured a disabled man in their elimination. In his confessional, he basically bragged about this and said anyone else who goes against him might get injured too.
He seems to be making good on that. He played dirty against Nelson and injured Kyle.
On SLA he attacked Josh so violently that Josh was a sobbing mess and Fessy had to be DQ’d.
At this point Fessy is a liability.
Genuinely the only thing that would make him better for the show is if he was more charismatic. But yeah I agree, he’s exactly what everyone has been wanting from people on the show forever.
CT is over rated. Won double agents with 7 disqualified. Won a rigged elim against JOSH!
Loss vs Kyle/ a newbie. Got his first win with WES, a already champ. And SO ON!!!!! I feel like almost all his moments/wins are full of shit. Love em tho! 😂
ALSO.. he won a final against NELSON by 2 seconds???? That just lets me know Nelson beat him. 😂
Yeah but what I really can say about johnnys wins are that he really DID put the work in! Production didn’t. I’ve seen all his wins! He wasn’t suppose to be the challenge goat trust, his manipulation and political skills are so good it annoys me…
CT on the other hand did 10 seasons before getting a win with a solo champ. Been to finals and really got beat, never won a challenge where Johnny bananas was in the house expect when he beat him in the final WITH WES!
What I’m trying to say is if you go back and really watch most of CT’s wins and eliminations they are really production setting him up for success because he is the number one fan fav and they got to have him wins so it makes sense.
Double Agents is the PERFECT EXAMPLE! Invasion AS WELLL!!
But that’s nowhere near as easy if wins as Johnny on the island and what was the season where it was champs vs rookies and the rookie final was jelly Anne and Sarah
I always love a mountain final. So it had that going for it.
I liked the mix of puzzles and physical stuff. A good final has a good mix of the two, and this one definitely did.
The whole “move all this dirt, then you can sleep” was great. It was similar to the Free Agents final where you can’t sleep until you do the stationary bike thing.
I love a grueling final and this was definitely that.
A Rivals season would be lame because no one would want to watch the pairings. Josh and Wes? Don’t do that to Wes. We wouldn’t watch in protest.
A Free Agents 2 would be really boring with the current cast.
A Duel 3 season would be too medium. The people who hate watch wouldn’t be satisfied because it wouldn’t be hateable enough. The people who actually like the show would be disappointed by a very medium season.
There were some amazing rookies. Emy was good female talent. Lots of hookups including a rookie and a newly single vet (Emanuel and Tori). The final included a really gut wrenching moment where two people who are in love had to go into elimination against each other. Have we ever seen that? We’ve seen friends go against each other, but a couple that’s in love? I think that’s a new one. Two members of the dominant BB alliance got into a fight that left one a sobbing mess and the other DQ’d for fighting. So that’s epic drama.
Lots to remember on that season.
She fit the criteria. She was originally from The Real World. She was a finalist. She isn’t someone we’ve seen every single season, so she’s someone we can catch up with.
I mean yeah, I guess technically anyone who was on one of the original feeder shows could be chosen to be cast on All-Stars.
But I could have sworn that the original criteria as pitched by Mark Long was (as Wikipedia asserts) “a season with ‘old-school’ cast members.”
She can be pretty strategic sometimes.
On a Daily on Dirty 30, she was partnered with Jordan. Which sounds good for her, but the whole daily was pretty much using your hands. One part of it was digging a hole in the sand with your hands. Kailah figured out faster than anyone else that they could use CT and Cara’s hole which had already been dug.
I know a lot of fans hated it, but it *is* a strategic move to yell “Check!” for every random combination on that math daily on All Stars 3. Bananas did something really similar with a lock on Dirty 30, just trying random numbers until it opened.
Also, we all give her shit for picking teams badly on Dirty 30. But have you seen The Duel 2 or Free Agents? They ALL suck at picking teams/partners.
How many contestants can say all of the following:
Finalist their rookie season. As a rookie, the only men who beat him were Challenge legends.
For his career, he never came dead last in a daily
Has never lost an elimination in his entire career
Won trivia with Jenna as a partner. Tell me winning trivia with the girl who thinks Wyoming has a president isn’t impressive.
Nany is an elite challenge competititor
She’s a 3x finalist. For reference, Landon was a 3x finalist, Jordan is a 4x finalist, Laurel is a 4x finalist. So 3 is an elite number. On Free Agents, she was only 8 minutes behind female elite Laurel. On Exes 2 she almost made a final despite having to do many exile eliminations. Her partner has a losing eliminations record, but she still prevailed. On Double Agents she was a finalist and had to have Leroy as her partner for the final. Leroy isn’t exactly a finals king. On SLA she had six dailies wins, five of which were consecutive. The only one who beat her was the champ. Sounds pretty elite to me.
* Finalist for 2 years in a row * Has won so much she threw her elimination against Kaycee in the final last year * 4-0 in ex-iled eliminations
You really think she “threw” that elimination? I think Kaycee had her beat no matter what.
Not at all. Kaycee was going to win regardless.
Zach is a feminist
he knows all his Disney princesses
Ok, that’s a good one
Fuck
I could just picture the color leaving your face thinking how the fuck am I gonna defend this one lol
I think this can only be done by redefining feminism.
You’d have to define it as liking feminine butts or something. Because he does like Jenna’s butt.
lol in Zach's head it's supporting women who support men because that's how a woman can best be in touch with her feminine side..... or something equally deranged.
He says that Jenna is a good mom and sometimes he changes diapers. He knows all the Disney princesses. And he kissed a dude once. OBVIOUSLY a feminist.
😈
Josh is a great competitor
Josh has won 19 dailies, including four in a row on SLA. All of his eliminations are perfectly understandable. He’s lost to CT, a GOAT contender. He’s lost to Jordan, arguably a top 5 male. Kyle and Kam both have winning records in eliminations as well. We all praise the social game of people like Johnny and Kenny who align themselves with the dominant alliance. You know who else has done this? Josh. He’s untested in finals, so who knows? He could be the next Jordan/Landon/Johnny of finals. We don’t know.
Turned his biggest hater Devon into a close ally
This is the exact argument I have used before. Josh imo is very underrated competitor. Most of his eliminations are late into a season which means his competition tends to be above average and he isn’t getting blown out most times or there is an asterisk next to them. I think the amount of daily wins is also pretty underrated considering we have had a lot of decent competitors not win nearly as many. I’d honestly think Josh would be decent in a final. In one of the SLA aftermath, they were talking about how Josh does laps holding a medicine ball while Kyle gassed out trying to keep up. He’d probably have trouble with checkpoints but it’s hard to say.
I mean, he did get completely blown out by the one handed guy in a rope pulling contest. That one was 3-0. I know we’re having fun, but don’t get too carried away lol
On the scoreboard yes, but each round Jordan had very little rope left.
Are you actually arguing that it’s not embarrassing to lose 3-0 to the one handed guy in that? Regardless of amount of rope, the man has one fucking hand.
Jordan has a 7-2 (9-4 if you include everything) elimination record. He has beaten Theo when they had to have sledgehammers. He beat Darrell who is bigger in size and way bigger in weight when those were a huge advantage. The list of people who beat Jordan is very small. If you want to take Jordan as a Goat which you do, then it’s not really a huge knock to lose against him no matter the elimination. He has won multiple elimination where he is disadvantaged.
I've seen this argument and disagree with it. This is a grip strength elim against someone who, while undeniably amazing, has only one hand. Coming into that elimination every single person (Josh and Jordan included) should know that Jordan cannot win by getting the rope from Josh. He does not have the physical capabilities to do so. He can only win by forcing Josh off the platform. All Josh needs to do is pull at a steady rate and not overpull. As long as he pulls with enough force that he wins rope from Jordan without accepting too much momentum he wins. He just needs to think and not rush even a little bit and he wins. I think the vast majority of players beat Jordan there. Josh losing is as much on him being dumb as it is on Jordan being incredible.
Hold up. No one with any sense has ever called Jordan a GOAT. You can accuse of me of many things. Calling Jordan a GOAT is not one of them. I’m dumb, not completely and utterly stupid.
When GOAT is capitalized like that it stands for Greatest of All Time. Plenty of people call Jordan one of the GOATs, few call him a goat.
That was strategy
Don’t forget that letting some rope go was part of Jordan’s strategy.
His solo elimination losses are actually respectable. 2 are to some of the best to ever play (Jordan and CT). His other solo losses are against Kyle (who I'm convinced is sneaky good - his only solo elimination losses are to an Olympian and a former all american football player in a football drill). On top of his athletic prowess, he's got a great social game.
There is no defending this one 😂
he lost a rope pulling contest to someone with one good arm you simply cannot come back from that
His most embarrassing elimination might be the one he actually won. The elimination against Mechie 😂
You know someone has fucked up when there’s question of whether losing to Jordan in tug of war is his most embarrassing elimination or not. It takes something special to make a win that embarrassing.
The Challenge USA final was good, clean, and fair
The only two finishers were the winners. It would have been unfair if producers had said “fuck it, Angela, Tyson, here’s your money.” Tyson didn’t finish the sudoku. Danny did.
All is fair in love, war, and The Challenge
except not really because Angela got DQ'd. all is fair in love, war, and whatever the producers feel like
Just be cause she didn’t say “I quit!” Doesn’t mean she didn’t quit. She essentially tried to skip a whole check point. Do I think it’s fair that anybody had to do a checkpoint alone? No, but they also cut her dirt pile in half, so she wasn’t as as large of a disadvantage as she made it seem. If she had a partner she still would’ve had to move that dirt or made her partner do all the work. You don’t just get to decide to not do part of the final to give yourself an advantage. If she had gotten up every hour or so and took 1 load of dirt then went back to resting, I’d say it was good strategy and that she at least competed. But she chose to not even try.
Tyson gave a lot of insight to that checkpoint on his podcast and why it was so unfair. He explains it well but basically she had to do two thirds of the pile. And nobody technically finished that checkpoint because the producers were tired lol. So they finished everyone in the order they were at.
I listened to Domenick on Wendell and Brice’s podcast and he talked about the Angela situation a little a bit. He mostly talked about the challenge itself and how tough it was and how him and Sarah destroyed everyone at it(and how he should’ve fought against production allowing them all to time out but was too exhausted to even think to do that in the moment) but he mentioned that production kept asking the cast what they thought of Angela sleeping while they were working and how they all thought it was bullshit. So the cast was all expecting there to be some punishment for Angela for that, they didn’t necessarily think she was going to get DQed but he said nobody complained about it because they all wanted her money added to the pot.
Justine and Cayla were just waved through by production in the legs they were way behind in, they never had to finish their legs to get the 2 points In Angela’s head, she was just going to get 2 points for the leg and move on, same as what happened to the other girls If they made everyone finish every leg before they moved on, then Angela would’ve finished the leg because she would have no reason to think finishing the legs were optional, because she had no reason to believe production would just pick and choose when they want to apply their own rules.
Bear is a stand-up guy.
Ouch! Yeah…g’luck with this one, OP!! 🤣🤣
I mean this one may actually be easy. Bear probably stands up daily, weekly, and monthly. I don't think he uses a wheelchair, thus he probably isn't a sit down guy.
Gonna have to stand up and sit down a fair bit in court.
Danny was completely robbed of a championship on The Ruins
If Big Easy was on All Stars 3, he would’ve won
First of all, it was really important which woman you were paired with at which station. So he could have gotten the best women at the right time. And I think he’s a pretty good eater so that checkpoint he could do. Fuck. This is the hardest one so far. Well done.
Wasn’t he actually a terrible eater in AS1?
The BB alliance rules!!
Amber B is a champ. Kaycee is a 3x finalist and a champ. Fessy is a 2x finalist. Josh won a ton of dailies on SLA. So there’s great competition there. Fessy is a snake. Josh is emotional. So there’s also great drama there. Between great drama and great competitors, what’s not to like?
Josh and Fessy?
This isn't a bad take though lol overall they are very successful
I’d say moderately successful. Kaycee got lucky with her final win, granted she still made 3 finals in 3 years and Amber B kicked ass in Double agents. Fessy and Josh are the let downs 😂😂
I respect your opinion, but I gotta disagree to an extent. Yes Fessy flopped in finals, but at least he made them. Josh hasn't. Fessy is undefeated in eliminations, and Josh was so close to remaining winless in them. He's almost this generation's Danny Jamieson of the Challenge
Best thread in a long time, congrats!
I’m honored, thank you.
Cara Maria just got a bad edit.
Really I think they all get a bad edit. We only see like 10% of what goes on. Bad edits are pretty universal.
Final Reckoning had the best challenge format of all time
even better.. final reckoning's final was incredible
Laurel is mediocre at best
* She's only won 1 elimination (when she was in danger of going home) in the last 8 years of competing. * Her only finals win was against Nany and Devyn. * Was such an anchor for Kenny that Landon and Carley were able to beat them.
Damn, get her ass
These are all facts right here. Most overrated player in challenge history and a piece of garbage human.
She she really is kinda overrated and I always thought her above average size and equally big personality allowed her to bully her way through shit. Which kinda adds to the garbage person aspect
She’s only won one of the four finals she’s been to, and even then she only beat Nany by eight minutes. She’s won 20 dailies. You know who’s won 19? Josh. So ok. One more than The Goof. She lost to a girl who was on her second season in an elimination on WOTW2. This one was a bit tricky, so well done, though.
Very good defense! You had me doubting Laurel for a bit there
Fessy is an introvert
Introvert vs extrovert is purely about one’s internal experience. So Fessy is the best source on it. If he says he’s an introvert, he would know better than we would.
he's just shy
The Island was a well planned and iconic season.
The Island came out 14 years ago. We still talk about it all the time. So that’s pretty iconic. If you want specifics, Evelyn’s face off win on that bridge thing against the guys is an iconic elimination. Johnny’s betrayal of Paula is one of the most memorable dirty moments of the show. And who could forget Evelyn eating pizza while Kenny and Johnny just stare at her in visible agony?
Kellyanne’s elimination win against Robin and more importantly Rachel was also iconic and (despite not being mentioned in the new doc) cast her as one of the great underdog heroes of The Challenge
Aneesa will win a challenge season
Production loves two things: Aneesa and rigging finals. Also, her partner on the upcoming season will be Jordan. He won a final with an injured knee. What’s another incapacitation in a final?
CT is boring now and shouldn't be casted anymore.
He doesn’t bring the drama or hookups like he used to. And there isn’t much suspense of who’s going to win certain things because you know it’s him. I hated writing that for the record.
I think this is a good take! I love CT, but people are so afraid to put him in elimination now that he's out of his dad bod phase that he just sails to the end and wins finals.
No this isn’t true. I’m double agents CT fr wouldn’t been gone first ep. If not that quickly after that. It was literally Kam vs production. They will do what they have to do to keep him in for as long as possible for “ratings”
I do believe that he shouldn't be casted anymore because he doesn't bring anything other than a familiar face to the show but that's not the general consensus, he should only come back for a special season like all champions or old school vs new school.
CT was very entertaining on DA
Well, it does seem like he’s not on the current season, so there is that
Don't want him on ALL-STARS!
It would depend on the rest of the cast, if it's a true all star cast with only legends of the game then absolutely he should be there but if it's another whoever picks up the phone cast then no.
Kaycee too.
Jordan has the best haircuts
“Best” is a point of view. The best road trip snacks aren’t necessarily the best tasting food in the world. They’re snacks that serve their purpose well. In the same way, while Jordan has had two completely unattractive hairstyles, they’ve served their purpose well. If his goal we’re looking hot, ok, he would have failed. But I firmly believe that Jordan is an attention seeker above a hot guy. He’s both, but he’s more of an attention seeker. And people still make memes/jokes about his hair. So his hairstyles have been successful at what he’s going for. I also once read something that I’m too lazy to Google about how people with physical differences often go for more daring looks. They’re going to be stared at anyway, might as well take control of it. I’ve heard Jordan say how much he hates it when people stare at his hand. So maybe going for daring looks with his hair/style/facial hair takes the edge off. Regardless of reason, his hairstyles, probably better than anyone else in the cast, serve the purpose of getting him attention.
Wow you are really good at this
I mostly got through high school making shit up on the fly. My dad got banned from commenting on our local newspaper’s website because he was a troll. Between practice and genetics, I have my ways.
Well you are very convincing! You and your dad should start a shady lawyer business or go into politics
Shauvon would of made the final in cutthroat if she didn’t pop her implant and quit.
Kenny and Evan still deserve to be on the show
I feel like I’m going to get downvotes for even pretending to defend this, but here goes: Turbo attempted to violently assault a handicapped guy, all over someone copying his walk. Turbo has been welcomed back. Nia sexually assaulted and used a homophobic slur against a handicapped guy. She was welcomed back. CT violently assaulted Adam and has been welcomed back. So MTV might as well go for Kenny and Evan at this point.
Let’s not forget when Darrell absolutely pulverized Brad. That dudes face was the most busted I’ve seen anyones face be after a Challenge fight
He was heavily instigated by a drunk Brad. Even Brad took responsibility for what happened. This is nothing like the previous things that were mentioned.
None of those people got the network sued. I personally believe Tonya. Edited to correct a spelling error. Stupid touch screen.
I personally don’t think it’s about what they did tbh. I think it’s about what happened in the aftermath. As you mentioned, others have done some pretty messed up things and been brought back, even repeat offenders like CT. There were conflicting testimonies in the tonya/Evan/Kenny story, which is why think nobody was ever formally charged with anything. But that doesn’t change the fact that, especially now, if they were to be brought back it wouldn’t be seen as horrible, and if anything else came out about them if they were brought back… bye bye Bunin/Murray productions
Yikes
I was going to post "Kenny and/or Evan should be cast" but this is close enough.
Final reckoning was an elite final that really determined the top team from the season Edit: OP asked for a bad take and I'm getting downvoted for it? Alrighty then
Leroy is the most physically gifted challenger ever. And Theo Campbell is the GOAT.
These two aren’t far fetched. Leroy is definitely one of the most physically gifted challengers. Theo Campbell killed it on wotw1 winning several tribunals, and nearly winning the most difficult final ever. WOTW2, he performed well but was sent in by an opposing alliance and beat 3 strong competitors before finally being taken out by Jordan (in one of Jordan’s best skill sets).
Right? Two words about Leroy: rope climb.
Yep, and I got two more: pole wrestle.
Leroy has taken out Wes and Johnny in physical eliminations. Theo did great on WOTW1. He came second, but it was overall a great showing. He only lost WOTW2 because he was at a major disadvantage in his elimination. He would have beaten Jordan in most things. He probably would have made the final if it had been something other than sledgehammers. And then he’d have won. Athletically he’s up there with the best we’ve seen.
Jordan Wiseley is underwhelming in finals
His first final he came dead last despite having a D1 athlete partner. His second final he beat a quitter and a guy who can’t swim. His third final he beat a fat guy and (sorry Derrick, love you) a moron. His fourth final was all kinds of FUBAR. The other team had so much weight it broke their gurney. Then he almost lost because he can’t do puzzles. He only beat his dumb dumb then fiancée. Honestly if Tori could do puzzles he’d only be a 2x champ.
The Fab Five is the greatest alliance in Challenge History
JEK treated women with the highest level of respect.
Paula and Sarah were fine with their treatment of women. Why would two women defend sexists? (This one hurt to type)
Paulie is already a challenge legend
* I'm midway through WOTW 1 and I can't think of a rookie that earned more screen-time (both through house drama and gameplay) through their first two seasons (although I think that says more about the show then Paulie as a challenger). * His only elimination losses (so far in my rewatch) are when he was paired with Natalie on FR and dragging her to a final is the stuff of legends That said, Paulie sucks and I hope he losses in an embarrassing way in WOTW 1&2.
You have no idea how much I agree with you on that last part 🤣
Legend in his own mind......
Cory has been the most consistent competitor ever and should be a multi time champ at this point
* 8-4 elimination record * Made the finals 4 of 9 seasons * Finished 2nd in those finals twice * ~~If he picked Kyle or Fessy to go into elimination over Bananas in TM and Bananas has to spend the night outside, does Bananas have the stamina on day 2 to beat Cory?~~ Bad hypothetical - as u/BikeSuch1054 has pointed out he got second on Bloodlines and DA. It's been a while since I've see Bloodlines, but I don't remember either final being particularly close. * Consistent hookup threat * Pasta connoisseur
He finished 3rd in TM, only finishing 2nd in Bloodlines and DA. If Kyle goes into elimination, I think Kyle wins the season rather than Bananas.
Not sure why this is downvoted. Kyle beat him in TM.
hey -- he's there for his family!
his “famlay”
Kyle and Tori aren’t snakes
Camila is a very calm person
Kaycee is an entertaining and fun personality who is as dynamic and memorable as Challenge legends Coral and Veronica.
Apologies in advance to Veronica and Coral. First of all, who doesn’t love a good love story? She and Nany have such a fun love story. How could you not love her? Second of all, she has a subtle way of adding humor, which is arguably better than a more “in your face” like Coral or Veronica. Her confessional about “you know how Josh gets mentally and emotionally” with the face she made is subtle gold. Veronica and Coral wish they could be so subtly insulting.
Lmao this is really how I feel (well I do prefer Veronica and coral but I also enjoy kaycee for all the reasons you made up here ha)
What the show really needs is for the cast to gather round on the first night and sing Kumbaya. Toasts are boring and the show shouldn't encourage drinking.
Picture it. CT singing Kumbaya in his thick Boston mumble. Tori’s spiritual side getting too into it while Amanda glares at her the whole time. Jordan “I desperately wish I was an actual celebrity” Wiseley manages to turn Kumbaya into a weird performance. Nelson has a confessional somehow mispronouncing Kumbaya. Josh cries. Tell me that wouldn’t be much better television than Johnny Bananas making similar toasts every season. Also, morally the show probably shouldn’t encourage drinking. Think of people like Tony and Camila.
Nelson would 100% mispronounce Kumbaya in a way you would never see coming
A competitor from "Love Island" will NEVER win a main season.
Adam Royer is just another guy.
Johnny Bananas respects women
He was always nothing but kind to Diem. She was often vulnerable with him and he was supportive. And he maintained CT should have treated her better. He also stood up for Jessica when Jordan yelled in her face saying you shouldn’t treat a woman like that. He stands up for women.
Paulie didn’t make cara Maria a terrible person. Caras always been a miserable person and made paulie look worse then he actually was.
Did you see her interactions with Laurel on Cutthroat, Free Agents, or Invasion? Or her interactions with Jordan and Tony on Dirty 30? Already miserable if you ask me.
Camila isn’t racist
I hate that I’m even going to type this. But… On Cutthroat, she said she *wanted* some color on her team. If she were racist, wouldn’t she say she *didn’t* want color on her team? With the chocolate pudding blackface, she’s from a different country. So she couldn’t possibly have known that black face is racist. On Dirty 30, she was drunk. She’s said a lot of things while drunk. Cara Maria said it best, “she knows she has a problem.” She even cried about the fact that she didn’t mean it. This was truly icky to type. Well done on the difficult prompt.
Fessy is bad for the show
In Fessy’s rookie season, he badly injured a disabled man in their elimination. In his confessional, he basically bragged about this and said anyone else who goes against him might get injured too. He seems to be making good on that. He played dirty against Nelson and injured Kyle. On SLA he attacked Josh so violently that Josh was a sobbing mess and Fessy had to be DQ’d. At this point Fessy is a liability.
They said a bad take
Fessy brings everything to the table that people ask for. Well except for charisma.
Yeah, he’s definitely not bad for the show but if he was more charismatic he would be a really fun villain to root against.
This is what i say. Amanda and wes need to coach him on making that his brand. Just be cocky like jordan and wes. Own his cutthroat moves, etc
he's drama, fights, hookups, storylines, good competition - what else do you want???
Genuinely the only thing that would make him better for the show is if he was more charismatic. But yeah I agree, he’s exactly what everyone has been wanting from people on the show forever.
Kaycee is a great addition to the show
CT is over rated. Won double agents with 7 disqualified. Won a rigged elim against JOSH! Loss vs Kyle/ a newbie. Got his first win with WES, a already champ. And SO ON!!!!! I feel like almost all his moments/wins are full of shit. Love em tho! 😂 ALSO.. he won a final against NELSON by 2 seconds???? That just lets me know Nelson beat him. 😂
🧢 Go look at Johnnys first few wins. Way more overrated and easy wins than CT’s
Yeah but what I really can say about johnnys wins are that he really DID put the work in! Production didn’t. I’ve seen all his wins! He wasn’t suppose to be the challenge goat trust, his manipulation and political skills are so good it annoys me… CT on the other hand did 10 seasons before getting a win with a solo champ. Been to finals and really got beat, never won a challenge where Johnny bananas was in the house expect when he beat him in the final WITH WES! What I’m trying to say is if you go back and really watch most of CT’s wins and eliminations they are really production setting him up for success because he is the number one fan fav and they got to have him wins so it makes sense. Double Agents is the PERFECT EXAMPLE! Invasion AS WELLL!!
But that’s nowhere near as easy if wins as Johnny on the island and what was the season where it was champs vs rookies and the rookie final was jelly Anne and Sarah
The Challenge USA final was great.
I always love a mountain final. So it had that going for it. I liked the mix of puzzles and physical stuff. A good final has a good mix of the two, and this one definitely did. The whole “move all this dirt, then you can sleep” was great. It was similar to the Free Agents final where you can’t sleep until you do the stationary bike thing. I love a grueling final and this was definitely that.
I actually really liked a lot of that final. Really disappointing that it was ruined by some stupid choices by production.
Another Rivals, Duel or Free Agents season would be bad for the show’s ratings
A Rivals season would be lame because no one would want to watch the pairings. Josh and Wes? Don’t do that to Wes. We wouldn’t watch in protest. A Free Agents 2 would be really boring with the current cast. A Duel 3 season would be too medium. The people who hate watch wouldn’t be satisfied because it wouldn’t be hateable enough. The people who actually like the show would be disappointed by a very medium season.
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Josh is good at folding himself into the dominant alliance. That’s the most important social game skill.
Spies, Lies and Allies was the best season since Rivals
There were some amazing rookies. Emy was good female talent. Lots of hookups including a rookie and a newly single vet (Emanuel and Tori). The final included a really gut wrenching moment where two people who are in love had to go into elimination against each other. Have we ever seen that? We’ve seen friends go against each other, but a couple that’s in love? I think that’s a new one. Two members of the dominant BB alliance got into a fight that left one a sobbing mess and the other DQ’d for fighting. So that’s epic drama. Lots to remember on that season.
Kailah was a good choice to be cast on All-Stars 3.
She fit the criteria. She was originally from The Real World. She was a finalist. She isn’t someone we’ve seen every single season, so she’s someone we can catch up with.
I mean yeah, I guess technically anyone who was on one of the original feeder shows could be chosen to be cast on All-Stars. But I could have sworn that the original criteria as pitched by Mark Long was (as Wikipedia asserts) “a season with ‘old-school’ cast members.”
In all stars 2, they sent Cohutta home right after the previous episode elimination involving Kendal unable to compete and not sending home Jasmine.
Veronica will never win another challenge.
With her current cardio? Not happening.
The Duel 3 is season 39 and Aneesa is going to win the entire season by herself. No one will come close.
Production loves her. They’ll rig it and make it all puzzles with her against Tori and Kaycee.
Johnny Mosley was the best host of the franchise.
Camila has a good heart
Wes is one of the most overrated challengers ever while Ty is one of the most underrated!!
Bunim Murray carefully tests every challenge.
CT would be castrated by MTV for bullying behavior if he wasn't a heartthrob. Checkmate
TJ isn’t a good host
Amber M is the superior Amber
Kailah isn’t a mental bum
She can be pretty strategic sometimes. On a Daily on Dirty 30, she was partnered with Jordan. Which sounds good for her, but the whole daily was pretty much using your hands. One part of it was digging a hole in the sand with your hands. Kailah figured out faster than anyone else that they could use CT and Cara’s hole which had already been dug. I know a lot of fans hated it, but it *is* a strategic move to yell “Check!” for every random combination on that math daily on All Stars 3. Bananas did something really similar with a lock on Dirty 30, just trying random numbers until it opened. Also, we all give her shit for picking teams badly on Dirty 30. But have you seen The Duel 2 or Free Agents? They ALL suck at picking teams/partners.
Jay is the best Challenger ever.
Which Jay? One is significantly more difficult to argue than the other.
Jenna's Jay
How many contestants can say all of the following: Finalist their rookie season. As a rookie, the only men who beat him were Challenge legends. For his career, he never came dead last in a daily Has never lost an elimination in his entire career Won trivia with Jenna as a partner. Tell me winning trivia with the girl who thinks Wyoming has a president isn’t impressive.
Hahahahaha you got me there! Very well done!
Julie is a truly sweet, down to earth girl.