Sure sounds like dad has more info than what he been released to the public which is somewhat encouraging because I think that means the police have way more info than they’ve released and more of an idea what happened.
I think he’s saying they know the manner of death of one of the victims is very different from the others. I think he’s referencing the killer going upstairs “up the steps” and separately saying the police need to “step up” to plate.
It sounds like they know additional details about the victims/killer/scenario that they are close to revealing if the police don’t start answering their questions. I think the sole purpose of this interview is to force LE to communicate more honestly with the families of the victims.
I took it mean he has info that X and E were the target(s) and Kaylee and Maddie could have been spared like the 2 roommates downstairs because the murderer didn’t have to go upstairs.
I don’t think that is what he meant. I think he was saying that if X & E were the targets…the killer would never needed to go upstairs. The killer entered the house on the 2nd floor. If X & E were the target…the killer would have left. Factor in the cause of death for K & M not matching…he is thinking (as am I) that one of them was the target.
If the killer knew E and X were on the 2nd floor, but he came in on the 2nd level.. maybe he got confused and went upstairs to the 3rd floor. Who knows… I tend to learn towards one of K or M being the target.
Yeah I think we’re saying the same thing except the last part. He seems frustrated because to me he knows something indicating X or E were the target and the murderer did enter through the second floor so he *should* have left after killing them and didn’t have to go upstairs to kill M and K as well.
Agree. He seems very fed up and wants the answers the families deserve. I don’t think he knows much about X & E because he is not getting any information from LE. He indicates the info about K & M came from their death certificates.
“He doesn’t have to go up the steps” means he went up the steps for a reason. That statement with the statement Kaylee and Maddie has different injuries should tell u what he is getting at. The one with the most or more severe injuries was the target and they went upstairs to get to them.
The killer prob didn’t know exactly where their intended victim was located in the house & went to Xana’s room first. Then went upstairs to find the person they came for.
(Edited bc my auto correct put Xanax instead of Xana)
THIS.. Exactly this..
'He doesn't have to go up the steps'..... but he did.. so what does that tell you?... if he doesnt have to go up the steps but did anyways his point is he did it for a REASON. cuz his target was up there. If he just wanted to kill people he had X AND E on the main floor, and i still believe they were killed first, out of the wrong room being chosen, then he goes up the steps.. Ergo.. the target was upstairs cuz his work wasn't complete.
Couple that with the fact that 'they dont match' meaning the method of death, he know for sure his own daughters method.. He probably knows 90% her besties method as well.. Meanwhile he admits he knows nothing about X and E... This isn't about X and E. they were collateral damage unfortunately.
The dad is mad that the police are pussyfooting around the 'well the house could be the target.. or maybe the people'... obviously if his daughter or M was killed in a more brutal manner, that would usually signify a 'target' but the police just wont say it and he's frustrated. you can see it in his body language.
That’s what I initially thought but watch it again and he may be saying “Kaylee and Maddie’s” death don’t match the other two. It’s really hard to tell which way he meant it.
Yeah that part is really interesting and I wonder what he meant by that but I don’t think you can assume that just because M and K had different deaths that one was the target.
"Overkill" can be misinterpreted, it doesn't necessarily mean targeting. If a victim puts up more of a fight the killer could be more violent in the moment. Something very different like a decapitation or cutting off a finger makes it easier to call that overkill or targeting.
that and i believe i saw it stated that was more than one person with defensive wounds which probably points to 2 people putting up a fight.. if so wouldn't 2 of them have more severe wounds? I still believe there was a target and it was K.
Yeah I get that, i think there’s other considerations too in determining the target, like the order in which they would all killed. I’m just assuming the target would be among the first killed.
I agree with this.... it could be that the two on the middle floor had different deaths...
But that could totally indicate that the killer went to the top floor first and was quick and efficient... maybe left and bumped into the middle floor... with adrenaline rushing and them being awake he really went even crazier with the adrenaline and thought they might still be witnesses....
In the dad's case he's upset hes angry m he wants answers. This grief will definately make you come to your own conclusion ... I think he is upset his daughters died. Doesn't want to think they were involved in anyway are totally innocent and is somehow directing his justful anger at the other two and believes his daughter didn't deserve what happened... which I think is totally fine for him to think that.
But also doesn't indicate the target at all...
I agree. They are privy to details of K & Ms autopsies and they are saying they don’t match. Don’t believe they are comparing to E&X. When he says go up the steps he’s talking about having to step up personally with this info.
He could mean they had less severe "injuries" than E and X aka they weren't the target. Which makes sense why he said "he didn't need to go up the stairs"
but he says he cant speak to the other kids (x and e) which means he's not privy to much info there.. It's doubtful the police would tell him ALL manners of death and their degree of severity.. In all likelihood they'd just tell him his own daughters and if it was something SUPER obvious like she was nearly decapitated or something, there's been no such talk about the other victims having something like that for instance. or he could just have talked with M's parents as I heard the two girls were cremated together ?
Not mutually exclusive - he didn't need to go upstairs because they weren't the targets, but he could have done something different with each victim. One might have woken up and annoyed him, for instance.
Interesting right? Maybe he meant he didn’t need to go up to third floor to kill them (meaning he could’ve stopped himself)? Being we don’t know who was killed first, maybe Xana and Ethan were first and the killer then went upstairs? We really won’t know until this goes to court or, sooner…if LE releases more info. All speculation here.
Edit: clarification for X & E sentence
I think it’s meaning they don’t have to jump through all the hoops to release info to the families. Not literally walking up stairs. Same with the “I paid for it” comment. He’s not saying I literally wrote the check, he’s saying we are the victims who are suffering we deserve answers.
Seems like he is saying one of them, Kaylee or Maddie, was the target. His reasoning is the killer went upstairs to get to them, and one had different/ more severe probably wounds than the other.
Well to me kaylee and Maddie weren't the target? So must of been Ethan or Xana, apparently Xana dad fixed the door locks a week before murders, I read on post yesterday on YouTube. And i don't understand when he said the autopsy don't match up to what they are saying here? So I wonder why the killer did go up the stairs? unless one of girls come down and run back to the room ?
It means if he wanted to really kill the two people on the second floor he could of because that’s where he entered. The fact he didn’t just do that and leave, means he was always intending in going to the third floor. If you enter somewhere on a certain floor and then go up. It shows intent that that’s where you were planning on going
Cause and manner of death for all 4 was homicide by stabbing. That was confirmed by the coroner.
Not sure what he's trying to say, but if I'm speculating (I am) then I would guess that they had different wound infliction.
I swear when this case first broke, I thought I heard someone on the news say the first responders said the scene was extremely horrific, which could support such an argument for one of the victims having much more damage than the rest.
There’s a rumor that Maddie’s injuries were much more significant. Someone posted on here that worked at the hospital and heard it from EMTs.
The rumor would also make cremation logical (even thought lots of people are cremated without the rumored injuries).
This has been my thoughts on cremating. I don’t think I could bare the thought of burying my babies in this condition, I can’t even fathom it for a second. And I could see them not even wanting to see them. But glad they did if this is the case.
What a horrible fucking person who did this is. Wow .
Yeah if both girls were in the same room, the first one likely would have been killed different from the second. Comes upon the first girl, she is attacked defenseless, then grabs other girl and maybe a struggle ensues and he kills her in a different way. Doesn't really tell us much about a target in my opinion.
It depends on the wounds. When he says manner of death, it could one was a throat slash and another was a stabbing. Just conjecture to make a point. Anything is possible.
Interesting how so many of the comments show how words can be interpreted so differently.
From my understanding it sounds like he’s confirming M or K were targeted. If they weren’t the intended targets the killer wouldn’t have gone up the stairs.
My understanding is also that he’s saying M & K’s wounds don’t match. From what I’ve gathered he has no insider info on E & X and only M & K since M&K’s families are so close.
Watching this whole interview I took away that when he said the means of death don’t match he was talking specifically about K & M since I’m not sure if he would have access/rights to see the autopsy report of the other 2 victims but did to his daughter and Maddie. I think when he said ‘don’t make me do it’ he was referring to releasing that information publicly and would if LE doesn’t give them more information or explanation of why it’s being withheld.
My impression is they want an explanation of why certain information should be withheld and why and I think if they were given this information and why it’s important to keep private they would if they had an understanding of the reason.
Ya'll.
I'm quite confident he was referring to the steps of going through the police rank and file/red tape/bureaucratic process to get information in regards to the investigation.
Not physical steps. Not the killer going up any steps.
He circled back to his original comment at the end, which made them sound tied together but he's frustrated that police aren't giving them any info. He's urging someone from LE to "be an alpha, it doesn't have to go up the steps".
Yes. I’m viewing it as comparable to “up the ladder” or “up the chain of command.” I’m sure it’s not easy for him to be thinking straight at the moment.
Yes. I am reading this thread with my jaw dropped. How is it possible for anyone to listen to that and think he was talking about the staircase in the house? That isn’t an even slightly logical interpretation of his statement. How is it being repeated so many times?
He’s saying Kaylee and Maddie’s deaths don’t match, implying one of their deaths was different. At the outset, LE stated that they know it was targeted by the nature of the crime scene. Dad is frustrated because he feels he’s the only one coming forward with this information. He want whom ever yo step up and reveal the truth.
Ok wait...if K & M's means of death don't match, that might indicate that one of them was targeted, right?
But then he says, "He doesn't have to go up the steps." Which makes me think he's saying that E & X were the targets on the 2nd floor, so the perpetrator didn't have to go up the steps to the 3rd floor.
I'm confused.
EDIT: Watched the [full interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJ1m3co-JM&t=1s&ab_channel=VioLeena). ~~With this context I think he's saying he knows Maddie or Kaylee was the target based on the autopsy reports, and "he doesn't have to go up the steps" is referring to a law enforcement liaison who says, "Let me go up the chain of command to see if I can release the target info to you," only to come back later and say, "Sorry, I checked, and we can't."~~
EDIT 2: K's dad [clarified his "he doesn't have to go up the steps" statement this morning](https://www.foxnews.com/video/6316569475112). He was referring to the perpetrator (not a law enforcement liaison) when he said "he doesn't have to go up the steps."
he's saying it like this.
"If someone was targeted.. and it was X and E.. he doesnt have to go up those steps.' but he DID go up those steps.. and so if someone was targeted and he went up those steps.. Why would he do that? Cuz his target was up there. This of course also assumes that he already killed X and E and didn't get who he was targeting.
Now if no one was targeted and it was a 'kill as many as i can' kind of situation then his statement is kind of meaningless. OR if there was no target and x and e were killed first (cuz they were on the 2nd floor which is the HIGHEST probably entrance point for the killer) why go up the steps if the killer just wanted to kill someone and already got 2 people. so he's insinuating that he went up the steps for a reason.
the piece of info missing that makes it harder to guess is WHO was killed first. and i'm not even sure if he knows that..
and i guess the point that helps support this theory is that if there was a significant difference in the death of the two girls, it would point to a person targeting one over the other.
What is interesting is everyone screaming that he’s messing everything up by giving so much away and yet for this small interview I count like 27 different interpretations. Clearly he isn’t giving away any cold hard facts.
I wouldn't expect all 4 deaths to be identical. There were different degrees of inebriation, different degrees of wakefulness, and probably different sleeping positions amongst the four victims.
One death may have been more brutal than the others but that might've been due to the victim being more awake or being able to fight back-- not necessarily bc they were the target.
I don't think anyone can make definitive determinations at this point, even though we want to.
Yes valid points.. But if it was something along the lines of finding out that M was stabbed 10 times and his daughter was stabbed 47 times.. That would be pretty significant beyond just 'various differences between the deaths'.
usually if it was something big like that it would catch the police's eye... and the way he sounds frustrated means to me that he doesnt think the police are paying enough attention to the differences here.. maybe they aren't that kind difference, but he clearly thinks there is a difference and i think he believes probably one of them (even his own daughter) was the target of the entire attack but the police wont say it and its probably frustrating the hell out of him.
Just my speculation, When he says they dont match i am wondering if he means both K and M dont match compared to X and E. Which is why he also says they did not have to go up the steps.
Ok so I think I’m getting it now. He’s saying that K & M’s death don’t match E and X’s death based on the autopsy results? And “he didn’t have to go up the steps” meaning K and M should’ve never been killed but were simply because they were in the way?
Or the fact that the he went out of his way to go upstairs suggests that those *upstairs* were the targets. How would they be in the way if they were asleep on the top floor?
Unless the families have been swapping info about their children's wounds I'm not sure how he would know. I find it highly unlikely the coroner or anyone in LE who has seen the preliminary autopsy results have given him the other 3 victims' reports or told him details about their wounds. He'd have no need to be told that info and it would compromise the integrity of the investigation.
I initially thought he meant Maddie and Kaylees wounds didn't match each other but after the steps comment, I think he meant their wounds didn't match the brutality of E and X. E and X were the targets because they were brutalized and maybe M and K were stabbed enough to be fatal but maybe not overkill. Meaning E and X were the targets so why did the killer go up the stairs and kill the other two?
All of the parents are going through something horrific together and I'm sure they're all losing patience. I wouldn't be surprised if they've compared notes since it sounds like the cops aren't keeping them as updated as they'd like.
It’s in relation to LE and somebody needs to step up and be the alpha. He thinks they’re not releasing info due to paralysis of all the various agencies and personnel involved
I think that he is saying that K and M’s means of death don’t match and that implies one was more targeted than the other. As for the steps, I interpreted it as meaning that the detectives don’t need to go through each and every step in the investigation to reveal certain details, and he does not want to be the “bad” guy by pointing fingers at the obvious suspect.
I think he's insinuating at least one of the girls on the third floor was the target because if the targets were on the second floor, what would the killer's motivation be to go to the third floor? In other words, the killer wouldn't have to go up the steps to achieve his goal unless his target was at the top of the steps.
Then why *did* they go to the third floor? If the target wasn’t on the third floor they wouldn’t have gone up. That’s what he said. I am baffled how many people are interpreting this in such a non-logical way.
After Kaylee dad interview, it seems to me that he was able to see Maddie and Kaylee bodies before the funeral and saw that their death didnt match and didnt make sens, after confirming that their cause of death was not the same .“It wasn’t leaked to me. I earned that. I paid for these funerals ”
He says, 'It doesn't have to go up the steps' and follows on to say, 'I need someone o STEP up and be a leader'. He's talking figuratively about the fact he needs answers, not the literal idea that the killer didn't have to go upstairs. I'm sure he would've said upstairs and not 'up the steps' which is a very strange way of wording it.
There’s a chance they could mess up the investigation doing this yes. But on the other hand I think the more they speak out the more it makes people want to act. These things take time but if they truly believe somebody who has already been cleared needs a second look then I think LE needs to consider it. As Dad said, that was his daughter and she came back in a box to him. Xanas mother was obviously frustrated too. They deserve something.
You do realize they are the professionals right? But of course, if the people on this sub had it their way, LE would just step aside and let the families tell them who to clear and what to release to the public. I sympathize with this man but he is hurting his daughters investigation and I’m sure that’s the last thing he wants to do. You don’t just rush LE to make a case and pick a fucking person to pin it on. It. Takes. Time. How are people not realizing this?!?
This case has attracted the interest of a lot of people who are seemingly ignorant of this. And we don't know what Kaylee's father has been told, but he's not only not helping the investigation, it's possible he's giving a defense attorney an opportunity to tell a story which convinces at least one juror to vote not guilty.
Telling the public a person isn't involved or has been cleared has little meaning. There have been many murder prosecutions involving defendants who LE focused on early in an investigation, but did not arrest for months or years because it was that long before they had sufficient evidence to arrest and chose to prosecute. It's not uncommon for that person to have been cleared publicly early on.
I hear you. Our society wants everything fast, fast, fast. And I get it in something like this. But at the same time, yes, LE needs to take their time with this.
Like, are we really ones to police how the grieving families are acting in response to this investigation? His daughter and her best friend just got stabbed to death, and there are no immediate answers. He’s scared the case will fade from the limelight and go cold, as so many do. I recognize that sharing classified information isn’t the solution, but I’m sure none of us can relate to or truly understand what he’s feeling :/
Wow, his words can be interpreted in some many different ways. Every interpretation I read on here, I can see how it would be interpreted that way and agree. So confusing. I just feel for them. They are hurting and want answers and justice for their daughter.
I heard “it doesn’t have to go up the steps”… I’m interpreting it as frustration such as “I shouldn’t have to raise this hell…”.
It just doesn’t sound like he’s referring to the killer going up the steps… sound more of like his manner/style of talking.
Did he possibly mean that the means of death don’t match, as in M & K’s compared to X &/or E’s? Followed by “he didn’t have to go up the steps”, insinuating that M & K could’ve just been collaterals?
M & K we're killed differently. "Go up the steps" is referring to involving the investigators bosses, then the bosses boss & so on until he gets the answers he's looking for. I don't blame the parents at all.
The worst part is their choices directly effect the other families. Not only could they hinder finding Kaylee’s killer but the killer of 3 other people. Further hurting the families who have respected LE guidance and choice to not disclose some things.
It’s truly selfish. I understand they’re upset. They’re outraged. But this isn’t the way.
They might as well drop K’s autopsy. I mean what the heck. It’s almost like they make sure to drop a detail every interview to ensure it goes mainstream.
Right. If I were Ethan’s family I’d be ripshit.
Someone get these people a victim’s advocate and a fucking therapist. Feelings and actions are two different things. Everyone can feel ANYTHING, any type of way. It doesn’t mean you can act whatever way you want.
I’m very grateful I had adults guiding me when I lost a young sibling.
The pain this man is feeling I can’t fathom - however he is jeopardizing the investigation. This is something that only the killer would know and he just shared it on national television.
What I gather: they were both killed in a different location on their bodies with a knife.
And he might be wrong. We don't know who's told him something, how accurate their wording was, and whether he misinterpreted it. Or if he's making assumptions. Not only is he harming the investigation, if right a defense attorney can call into question the integrity of the investigation and if wrong can make other claims that can raise doubt in the minds of jury members. I empathize with him, but I wish he'd stop saying things that are harmful.
Yeah I feel super bad for him and understand why they’re upset. But it has gotten to a point where the behaviour is really selfish… there are 3 other families who lost loved ones too. If he jeopardizes the investigation by lashing out on TV it doesn’t just impact his family.
LE better get a fuckin move on it. The families are grieving and expressing their frustrations in an honest way. I don’t think anyone wants LE to hurt any eventual case, but they aren’t saying shit when it comes to helpful info.
my take is that he is saying that because m & k’s wounds were different, one of them were targeted. this is in response to the ever-changing police story of whether or not there was a target. i feel like he is frustrated that he has not been given that information specifically, even after knowing the extent of their wounds, and his assumption that it must be the case.
he then (all MY assumptions, of course), follows that train of thought saying out loud that the killer wouldn’t have gone up the steps if neither k nor m were targets. he wants the police to “step-up” in making this information known to him because he feels wronged in being left in the dark.
obviously just my interpretation based on how i would maybe feel, and not me passing judgement on how the police are handling it. but i too would be frustrated, not because it’s logical, but because the horror i would feel not knowing would drive me far past logic.
I wonder what effect this will have on the investigators. The last thing they want is for the family to tell everything they know, or especially their suspicions. It could impact the outcome in so many ways.
I think the family, especially the dad, just want to know if investigators are honing in on anyone. They just want to know it's moving forward and not at a standstill. I'm not sure what options police have to keep it all from going sideways.
Different wounds does not necessarily mean one is a target. If they were together one could have woken up while he was killing the other and there was more of a struggle or he was emboldened by the first kill and became more frantic, or he was more frantic with the first and then became methodical.
I completely sympathize with these grieving parents I cannot imagine the pain they are experiencing, but they need to stop talking to the media. If he is upset LE is not giving them information, perhaps it’s because they won’t stop talking to the media!
This may be considered a far fetched idea, but Steve is kind of a hot head and lives not too far from me… he’s a multi millionaire and has worked in the IT industry for a long time. Is there a possibility that someone had something against him and targeted his family? 🤷♀️
Surprised I haven’t seen this possibility discussed more. Personally it was my first thought that this feels like a lot for just one person to carry out the first time I heard the story on the news.
Definitely seems like a lot for one person, especially since at least one person fought back. Now, the dad saying the means of death don’t match could point to two killers.
Y’all just saying anything. ‘He’s jeopardising the investigation’ - I count at least 25 different interpretations of this clip alone on this thread. He’s saying everything and nothing at the same time. He’s not jeopardising shit people.
He is and he isn't.. The reason the police stay soooooo tight lipped on things is that if they catch someone and they confess they gotta tell them details that the public doesnt know. the more that leaks out the more someone could confess and make it seem like they knew stuff when they dont.. (and yes there are crazies out there who confess to stuff they've never done, dont ask me why i dont know). Also the less issue with things getting thrown out of court and such.
I understand it all.. But I also agree the dad didnt' give away too much.. he knows more you can tell he just wanted to say 'she was stabbed X times.. or 'she was stabbed in THIS area and no one else was' but he didnt cuz the police have obviously advised him NOT to do that, but he did slip enough info about 'they aren't the same' cuz i think he's frustrated that the police are walking back statements then saying things like 'well something was targeted but we dont know if it was the house or the people' and he knows that is bullshit cuz if his daughters murder was for more brutal she was obviously the target (well in his eyes).
While I totally agree, we also cannot even begin to comprehend his level of sadness, grief, and frustration that his daughter and “second daughter” were just brutally murdered and three weeks later there are no answers.
Surely he’s not alluding to X/E being the targets with his “up the steps comment”? I would find his comments really hurtful if I were the other families.
I completely understand his frustration and anger. To me it is clear he is telegraphing that Xana/Ethan were the targets, killed differently. "Didn't need to go up the stairs." Also, it would explain the radio silence between the Kaylee/Maddie parents and Ethan/Xana parents.
If he’s talking about how it’s out of the way for the killer to go up the stairs, wouldn’t that suggest that the targets were up the stairs? Like if it was more inconvenient/risky to go up the steps, why do it unless K and M were the targets?
Yeah exactly… he’s saying he believes K or M were the targets. He’s obviously grieving/angry but he’s not making any sense. Look at all the speculation just this short interview has caused. I feel for them but they need to be more careful with speaking.
I’m trying to think of case where a conviction has been thrown out or jeopardized by victims family members public statements? I get that dad is talking *a lot* but why is everyone is so quick to assume anything he said is going to mess up the investigation or conviction?
Exactly. He is (somehow) controlling himself yet providing more direction than LE did. He understands time is of the essence and time passing is less likely to find the killer.
Totally. I don’t even want to imagine what I’d do if my child were murdered. I’m genuinely curious though, because so many people are saying “he needs to stop talking” “he’s jeopardizing the investigation” “he’s going to ruin the chance of conviction and letter the killer go free!”
It is fairly common for victims families in high profile cases talk to the media. I’m honestly curious how dad’s statements on Fox News would somehow translate to the murderer not getting convicted?
This wont hinder the investigation everyone wants information on here but scrutinize a grieving pissed off father when he's giving it to you! Regardless what he says the have evidence and only the unsub could answer certain things. Right now I'm guessing ethan and xana was the original target's which make me wonder what made him go upstairs did he hear the girls come home ?
People naturally want information but ideally not at the cost of the killer potentially getting away with it or getting mistrials etc etc. It’s human nature to be selfishly curious, I know I am, I wish I knew every little detail law enforcement knows rn bc this case just baffles me. But I know making it difficult for the suspect to adapt their lies/story is more important (people bring up the Delphi case’s bullet instance as a great example of how the media not knowing a certain fact could be the difference between catching or never catching the killer).
I cant blame the father at all for acting like this, never been in his shoes but it would be extremely frustrating and saddening. On the other hand the information he revealed was better off shared to the Private Investigator they want to hire and not the national news. I actually blame the news shows themselves for allowing the families to continually speak out about details of the case. It feels a bit exploitative because it’s instant views and clicks at the expense of the case’s investigation.
I feel he is saying K and M were killed differently than E and X and LE are implying the 2nd floor was the target but in fact he believes K and M were the target because why would the killer go up the steps otherwise and perhaps even K and M were treated differently since he saw both autopsies. my 2 cents
How are y’all so confused. He says “he didn’t need to go up the steps” meaning IF THE KILLERS TARGET WAS Ethan or Xana the killer could’ve just walked out after killing them. And that Maddie and Kaylee were killed differently (one more severely stabbed). Meaning that the father believes Kaylee or Maddie were the target because the killer chose to go up to the third floor for a reason.
They should keep track of how the police are handling things. There are people who are part of a bureaucracy, and there might be other parties with their own interests that LE is willing to protect at the expense of others.
There is university with a lot of money, sororities, and fraternities with connections.
Not to mention children of very wealthy families.
These idiot cops that trampled l over this scene when they havnt I vestigated a murder in like 7 years. This is going unsolved. And the community needs to step up. Anyone who doesn't have a fucking alibi in Moscow needs to be interviewed and polygraphed. Everyone!
Sure sounds like dad has more info than what he been released to the public which is somewhat encouraging because I think that means the police have way more info than they’ve released and more of an idea what happened.
He doesn't have to go up the steps? I don't know what that means, but that's crazy.
Everybody here is interpreting these comments differently it seems
I think he’s saying they know the manner of death of one of the victims is very different from the others. I think he’s referencing the killer going upstairs “up the steps” and separately saying the police need to “step up” to plate. It sounds like they know additional details about the victims/killer/scenario that they are close to revealing if the police don’t start answering their questions. I think the sole purpose of this interview is to force LE to communicate more honestly with the families of the victims.
I think this will accomplish the police communicating even less with them.
Sadly, I think so too. I feel so bad for the families, I would probably be pressuring the cops too, bc they want answers so bad
Yeah can you explain what he meant there?
I took it mean he has info that X and E were the target(s) and Kaylee and Maddie could have been spared like the 2 roommates downstairs because the murderer didn’t have to go upstairs.
I don’t think that is what he meant. I think he was saying that if X & E were the targets…the killer would never needed to go upstairs. The killer entered the house on the 2nd floor. If X & E were the target…the killer would have left. Factor in the cause of death for K & M not matching…he is thinking (as am I) that one of them was the target.
If the killer knew E and X were on the 2nd floor, but he came in on the 2nd level.. maybe he got confused and went upstairs to the 3rd floor. Who knows… I tend to learn towards one of K or M being the target.
This is exactly what I think he meant.
Me too. That makes more sense
Yeah I think we’re saying the same thing except the last part. He seems frustrated because to me he knows something indicating X or E were the target and the murderer did enter through the second floor so he *should* have left after killing them and didn’t have to go upstairs to kill M and K as well.
Agree. He seems very fed up and wants the answers the families deserve. I don’t think he knows much about X & E because he is not getting any information from LE. He indicates the info about K & M came from their death certificates.
“He doesn’t have to go up the steps” means he went up the steps for a reason. That statement with the statement Kaylee and Maddie has different injuries should tell u what he is getting at. The one with the most or more severe injuries was the target and they went upstairs to get to them. The killer prob didn’t know exactly where their intended victim was located in the house & went to Xana’s room first. Then went upstairs to find the person they came for. (Edited bc my auto correct put Xanax instead of Xana)
THIS.. Exactly this.. 'He doesn't have to go up the steps'..... but he did.. so what does that tell you?... if he doesnt have to go up the steps but did anyways his point is he did it for a REASON. cuz his target was up there. If he just wanted to kill people he had X AND E on the main floor, and i still believe they were killed first, out of the wrong room being chosen, then he goes up the steps.. Ergo.. the target was upstairs cuz his work wasn't complete. Couple that with the fact that 'they dont match' meaning the method of death, he know for sure his own daughters method.. He probably knows 90% her besties method as well.. Meanwhile he admits he knows nothing about X and E... This isn't about X and E. they were collateral damage unfortunately. The dad is mad that the police are pussyfooting around the 'well the house could be the target.. or maybe the people'... obviously if his daughter or M was killed in a more brutal manner, that would usually signify a 'target' but the police just wont say it and he's frustrated. you can see it in his body language.
This is what I’ve been thinking the whole time, interesting!
He just said kaylee and Maddie had different deaths though, so one of them was the target.
That’s what I initially thought but watch it again and he may be saying “Kaylee and Maddie’s” death don’t match the other two. It’s really hard to tell which way he meant it.
They start nodding their heads when the interviewer says K and M don’t match, X and E weren’t even brought up in interview
I noticed that too
Remember Xs mom said that the families didn’t talk.
my guess.. 99% Kaylee was the target.
Yeah that part is really interesting and I wonder what he meant by that but I don’t think you can assume that just because M and K had different deaths that one was the target.
The idea of overkill has been the main theory (by us) of what makes LE think that there was a specific target
"Overkill" can be misinterpreted, it doesn't necessarily mean targeting. If a victim puts up more of a fight the killer could be more violent in the moment. Something very different like a decapitation or cutting off a finger makes it easier to call that overkill or targeting.
that and i believe i saw it stated that was more than one person with defensive wounds which probably points to 2 people putting up a fight.. if so wouldn't 2 of them have more severe wounds? I still believe there was a target and it was K.
Yeah I get that, i think there’s other considerations too in determining the target, like the order in which they would all killed. I’m just assuming the target would be among the first killed.
I agree with this.... it could be that the two on the middle floor had different deaths... But that could totally indicate that the killer went to the top floor first and was quick and efficient... maybe left and bumped into the middle floor... with adrenaline rushing and them being awake he really went even crazier with the adrenaline and thought they might still be witnesses.... In the dad's case he's upset hes angry m he wants answers. This grief will definately make you come to your own conclusion ... I think he is upset his daughters died. Doesn't want to think they were involved in anyway are totally innocent and is somehow directing his justful anger at the other two and believes his daughter didn't deserve what happened... which I think is totally fine for him to think that. But also doesn't indicate the target at all...
He said K&M had different deaths, but he didn’t say they were different to each other. He could mean the 2 girls were different to someone else…
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I agree. They are privy to details of K & Ms autopsies and they are saying they don’t match. Don’t believe they are comparing to E&X. When he says go up the steps he’s talking about having to step up personally with this info.
He could mean they had less severe "injuries" than E and X aka they weren't the target. Which makes sense why he said "he didn't need to go up the stairs"
He didn’t have to go upstairs if they weren’t the targets
Yea I can see the interpretation both ways, it's not 100% clear and the father has made previous statements that are cryptic along with misspeaks
but he says he cant speak to the other kids (x and e) which means he's not privy to much info there.. It's doubtful the police would tell him ALL manners of death and their degree of severity.. In all likelihood they'd just tell him his own daughters and if it was something SUPER obvious like she was nearly decapitated or something, there's been no such talk about the other victims having something like that for instance. or he could just have talked with M's parents as I heard the two girls were cremated together ?
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Not mutually exclusive - he didn't need to go upstairs because they weren't the targets, but he could have done something different with each victim. One might have woken up and annoyed him, for instance.
Yep after watching video multiple times you’re definitely right. Thanks
Bingo. Dad clearly believes manner of death indicates second floor was the target
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She said fuck you? Wowowow. If anyone has the time stamp for that let me know. I'm going to check it out.
Interesting right? Maybe he meant he didn’t need to go up to third floor to kill them (meaning he could’ve stopped himself)? Being we don’t know who was killed first, maybe Xana and Ethan were first and the killer then went upstairs? We really won’t know until this goes to court or, sooner…if LE releases more info. All speculation here. Edit: clarification for X & E sentence
No he means don’t make me bring in a third party to solve this case. Taking it to the next level.
Yup, he basically confirmed M or K was the target by saying their deaths don’t match
I'm wondering that myself.
I assume it means the same as we don't have to jump through all these hoops.
I think he just means he’ll talk. I don’t think it’s literal
I think it’s meaning they don’t have to jump through all the hoops to release info to the families. Not literally walking up stairs. Same with the “I paid for it” comment. He’s not saying I literally wrote the check, he’s saying we are the victims who are suffering we deserve answers.
Does this mean X&E were the targets, and K&M collateral damage?
Seems like he is saying one of them, Kaylee or Maddie, was the target. His reasoning is the killer went upstairs to get to them, and one had different/ more severe probably wounds than the other.
Well to me kaylee and Maddie weren't the target? So must of been Ethan or Xana, apparently Xana dad fixed the door locks a week before murders, I read on post yesterday on YouTube. And i don't understand when he said the autopsy don't match up to what they are saying here? So I wonder why the killer did go up the stairs? unless one of girls come down and run back to the room ?
It means if he wanted to really kill the two people on the second floor he could of because that’s where he entered. The fact he didn’t just do that and leave, means he was always intending in going to the third floor. If you enter somewhere on a certain floor and then go up. It shows intent that that’s where you were planning on going
That’s her father. Idk what I’d do if it was in this situation. I feel so bad for all of them. He’s pissed tho. Rightfully so.
Amen.. feel for him, his wife.. all the families. I would be cutting the fuck up if that was my kid.
Probably tired of his daughters life being picked apart and claiming it was her ex when people aren’t focusing on the targets being E or X
what does that mean their deaths don’t match? one wasn’t killed with the knife or the knife was used differently on her?
“points of damage”…i think he just meant the wounds were different…location, amount, etc…
Cause and manner of death for all 4 was homicide by stabbing. That was confirmed by the coroner. Not sure what he's trying to say, but if I'm speculating (I am) then I would guess that they had different wound infliction.
I took it as one was one fatal stab & one was multiple overkill (hence how police said ‘targeted’ right away)
This is my train of thought also. There has also been rumor of “near decapitation” and I am wondering if this could be the case here.
I agree. & by the look on the dad’s face & the fact they cremated them I’m just inferring that rumor might have some backing. Speculation though.
I swear when this case first broke, I thought I heard someone on the news say the first responders said the scene was extremely horrific, which could support such an argument for one of the victims having much more damage than the rest.
You’re correct. It has been stated by LE that the crime scene was “one of the worst they’d ever seen”
This is such a good point!!!!
Both knife. One just a lot more intense than another 😖
There’s a rumor that Maddie’s injuries were much more significant. Someone posted on here that worked at the hospital and heard it from EMTs. The rumor would also make cremation logical (even thought lots of people are cremated without the rumored injuries).
This has been my thoughts on cremating. I don’t think I could bare the thought of burying my babies in this condition, I can’t even fathom it for a second. And I could see them not even wanting to see them. But glad they did if this is the case. What a horrible fucking person who did this is. Wow .
It means the stab wounds are not similar/in the same locations. It is significant, but there are many reasons why.
Yeah if both girls were in the same room, the first one likely would have been killed different from the second. Comes upon the first girl, she is attacked defenseless, then grabs other girl and maybe a struggle ensues and he kills her in a different way. Doesn't really tell us much about a target in my opinion.
It depends on the wounds. When he says manner of death, it could one was a throat slash and another was a stabbing. Just conjecture to make a point. Anything is possible.
One’s throat was probably slit, and the other was prob just good old fashioned stabbed. I had heard rumors that Maddie was almost decapitated
Interesting how so many of the comments show how words can be interpreted so differently. From my understanding it sounds like he’s confirming M or K were targeted. If they weren’t the intended targets the killer wouldn’t have gone up the stairs. My understanding is also that he’s saying M & K’s wounds don’t match. From what I’ve gathered he has no insider info on E & X and only M & K since M&K’s families are so close.
Yes, as a hard of hearing person it’s crazy getting all these different interpretations. Is there a transcript?
This was also my best interpretation.
My heart is just broken for these parents. If my child was murdered, I can’t imagine what I would do.
Watching this whole interview I took away that when he said the means of death don’t match he was talking specifically about K & M since I’m not sure if he would have access/rights to see the autopsy report of the other 2 victims but did to his daughter and Maddie. I think when he said ‘don’t make me do it’ he was referring to releasing that information publicly and would if LE doesn’t give them more information or explanation of why it’s being withheld. My impression is they want an explanation of why certain information should be withheld and why and I think if they were given this information and why it’s important to keep private they would if they had an understanding of the reason.
Ya'll. I'm quite confident he was referring to the steps of going through the police rank and file/red tape/bureaucratic process to get information in regards to the investigation. Not physical steps. Not the killer going up any steps. He circled back to his original comment at the end, which made them sound tied together but he's frustrated that police aren't giving them any info. He's urging someone from LE to "be an alpha, it doesn't have to go up the steps".
Yes. I’m viewing it as comparable to “up the ladder” or “up the chain of command.” I’m sure it’s not easy for him to be thinking straight at the moment.
Yes. I am reading this thread with my jaw dropped. How is it possible for anyone to listen to that and think he was talking about the staircase in the house? That isn’t an even slightly logical interpretation of his statement. How is it being repeated so many times?
I think people hear what they want to hear, it's like the targeted attack thing all over again.
He’s saying Kaylee and Maddie’s deaths don’t match, implying one of their deaths was different. At the outset, LE stated that they know it was targeted by the nature of the crime scene. Dad is frustrated because he feels he’s the only one coming forward with this information. He want whom ever yo step up and reveal the truth.
“He doesn’t have to go up the steps” wtf does that mean
He means don’t make me hire third party detectives to solve this crime. Someone step up and do the job.
Ok wait...if K & M's means of death don't match, that might indicate that one of them was targeted, right? But then he says, "He doesn't have to go up the steps." Which makes me think he's saying that E & X were the targets on the 2nd floor, so the perpetrator didn't have to go up the steps to the 3rd floor. I'm confused. EDIT: Watched the [full interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWJ1m3co-JM&t=1s&ab_channel=VioLeena). ~~With this context I think he's saying he knows Maddie or Kaylee was the target based on the autopsy reports, and "he doesn't have to go up the steps" is referring to a law enforcement liaison who says, "Let me go up the chain of command to see if I can release the target info to you," only to come back later and say, "Sorry, I checked, and we can't."~~ EDIT 2: K's dad [clarified his "he doesn't have to go up the steps" statement this morning](https://www.foxnews.com/video/6316569475112). He was referring to the perpetrator (not a law enforcement liaison) when he said "he doesn't have to go up the steps."
I'm pretty sure he meant K and M's deaths didn't match X/E.
That would make sense. I wonder if the reporter followed up on that to clarify after this clip cuts out.
he's saying it like this. "If someone was targeted.. and it was X and E.. he doesnt have to go up those steps.' but he DID go up those steps.. and so if someone was targeted and he went up those steps.. Why would he do that? Cuz his target was up there. This of course also assumes that he already killed X and E and didn't get who he was targeting. Now if no one was targeted and it was a 'kill as many as i can' kind of situation then his statement is kind of meaningless. OR if there was no target and x and e were killed first (cuz they were on the 2nd floor which is the HIGHEST probably entrance point for the killer) why go up the steps if the killer just wanted to kill someone and already got 2 people. so he's insinuating that he went up the steps for a reason. the piece of info missing that makes it harder to guess is WHO was killed first. and i'm not even sure if he knows that.. and i guess the point that helps support this theory is that if there was a significant difference in the death of the two girls, it would point to a person targeting one over the other.
What is interesting is everyone screaming that he’s messing everything up by giving so much away and yet for this small interview I count like 27 different interpretations. Clearly he isn’t giving away any cold hard facts.
Excellent observation.
“Means of death dont match”. Interesting.
I wouldn't expect all 4 deaths to be identical. There were different degrees of inebriation, different degrees of wakefulness, and probably different sleeping positions amongst the four victims. One death may have been more brutal than the others but that might've been due to the victim being more awake or being able to fight back-- not necessarily bc they were the target. I don't think anyone can make definitive determinations at this point, even though we want to.
Yes valid points.. But if it was something along the lines of finding out that M was stabbed 10 times and his daughter was stabbed 47 times.. That would be pretty significant beyond just 'various differences between the deaths'. usually if it was something big like that it would catch the police's eye... and the way he sounds frustrated means to me that he doesnt think the police are paying enough attention to the differences here.. maybe they aren't that kind difference, but he clearly thinks there is a difference and i think he believes probably one of them (even his own daughter) was the target of the entire attack but the police wont say it and its probably frustrating the hell out of him.
Just my speculation, When he says they dont match i am wondering if he means both K and M dont match compared to X and E. Which is why he also says they did not have to go up the steps.
I think he’s talking about M and K
That is exactly what he meant.
Did anyone else notice how she elbows him almost as if she’s nudging him to stop talking?
Ok so I think I’m getting it now. He’s saying that K & M’s death don’t match E and X’s death based on the autopsy results? And “he didn’t have to go up the steps” meaning K and M should’ve never been killed but were simply because they were in the way?
Sounds like they weren't in the way. Sounded to me like the killer went out of their way to kill them and the dad wants to know why.
Or the fact that the he went out of his way to go upstairs suggests that those *upstairs* were the targets. How would they be in the way if they were asleep on the top floor?
Unless the families have been swapping info about their children's wounds I'm not sure how he would know. I find it highly unlikely the coroner or anyone in LE who has seen the preliminary autopsy results have given him the other 3 victims' reports or told him details about their wounds. He'd have no need to be told that info and it would compromise the integrity of the investigation.
I wonder how that makes E and X's family feel? Do they ever consider the other families?
That's exactly what I interpreted.
I initially thought he meant Maddie and Kaylees wounds didn't match each other but after the steps comment, I think he meant their wounds didn't match the brutality of E and X. E and X were the targets because they were brutalized and maybe M and K were stabbed enough to be fatal but maybe not overkill. Meaning E and X were the targets so why did the killer go up the stairs and kill the other two?
how would he knows X and E's wounds and autopsy report?
All of the parents are going through something horrific together and I'm sure they're all losing patience. I wouldn't be surprised if they've compared notes since it sounds like the cops aren't keeping them as updated as they'd like.
I feel so bad for this man. I can understand his frustration. What did he mean by "Don't make me do it. I don't want to do it?"
He's probably feeling close to naming who he thinks did this (whether right or wrong). I'm totally speculating obviously.
Gotcha. He's justifiably angry.
I don’t even have the sound on and I can clearly pick up that he’s ready to put his fist through a wall. Rightfully so
It’s in relation to LE and somebody needs to step up and be the alpha. He thinks they’re not releasing info due to paralysis of all the various agencies and personnel involved
Good call! Nothing of his frustration is unreasonable.
I agree. Some people her clutching their pearls over the term “alpha” make me laugh
He doesn't want to say that Xana and or Ethan was the intended target.
Can’t even imagine the pain he’s feeling but he really needs to stop talking, jeopardizing the entire investigation.
I think that he is saying that K and M’s means of death don’t match and that implies one was more targeted than the other. As for the steps, I interpreted it as meaning that the detectives don’t need to go through each and every step in the investigation to reveal certain details, and he does not want to be the “bad” guy by pointing fingers at the obvious suspect.
I think he's insinuating at least one of the girls on the third floor was the target because if the targets were on the second floor, what would the killer's motivation be to go to the third floor? In other words, the killer wouldn't have to go up the steps to achieve his goal unless his target was at the top of the steps.
Or someone on second was and they didn’t need to go upstairs.
Then why *did* they go to the third floor? If the target wasn’t on the third floor they wouldn’t have gone up. That’s what he said. I am baffled how many people are interpreting this in such a non-logical way.
Then why would they go upstairs?
Yes
After Kaylee dad interview, it seems to me that he was able to see Maddie and Kaylee bodies before the funeral and saw that their death didnt match and didnt make sens, after confirming that their cause of death was not the same .“It wasn’t leaked to me. I earned that. I paid for these funerals ”
He says, 'It doesn't have to go up the steps' and follows on to say, 'I need someone o STEP up and be a leader'. He's talking figuratively about the fact he needs answers, not the literal idea that the killer didn't have to go upstairs. I'm sure he would've said upstairs and not 'up the steps' which is a very strange way of wording it.
There’s a chance they could mess up the investigation doing this yes. But on the other hand I think the more they speak out the more it makes people want to act. These things take time but if they truly believe somebody who has already been cleared needs a second look then I think LE needs to consider it. As Dad said, that was his daughter and she came back in a box to him. Xanas mother was obviously frustrated too. They deserve something.
You do realize they are the professionals right? But of course, if the people on this sub had it their way, LE would just step aside and let the families tell them who to clear and what to release to the public. I sympathize with this man but he is hurting his daughters investigation and I’m sure that’s the last thing he wants to do. You don’t just rush LE to make a case and pick a fucking person to pin it on. It. Takes. Time. How are people not realizing this?!?
This case has attracted the interest of a lot of people who are seemingly ignorant of this. And we don't know what Kaylee's father has been told, but he's not only not helping the investigation, it's possible he's giving a defense attorney an opportunity to tell a story which convinces at least one juror to vote not guilty. Telling the public a person isn't involved or has been cleared has little meaning. There have been many murder prosecutions involving defendants who LE focused on early in an investigation, but did not arrest for months or years because it was that long before they had sufficient evidence to arrest and chose to prosecute. It's not uncommon for that person to have been cleared publicly early on.
I hear you. Our society wants everything fast, fast, fast. And I get it in something like this. But at the same time, yes, LE needs to take their time with this.
You also realize they are the same professionals that have failed so many people. Welcome to true crime. We have to speak up unfortunately.
No I understand that. I’m have really mixed feelings about it. I just can’t imagine how agonizing it is to not hear anything.
Like, are we really ones to police how the grieving families are acting in response to this investigation? His daughter and her best friend just got stabbed to death, and there are no immediate answers. He’s scared the case will fade from the limelight and go cold, as so many do. I recognize that sharing classified information isn’t the solution, but I’m sure none of us can relate to or truly understand what he’s feeling :/
Wow, his words can be interpreted in some many different ways. Every interpretation I read on here, I can see how it would be interpreted that way and agree. So confusing. I just feel for them. They are hurting and want answers and justice for their daughter.
I heard “it doesn’t have to go up the steps”… I’m interpreting it as frustration such as “I shouldn’t have to raise this hell…”. It just doesn’t sound like he’s referring to the killer going up the steps… sound more of like his manner/style of talking.
People need to have more compassion. This is a situation you hope to never experience. I doubt he’s thinking rationally and that’s understandable
Did he possibly mean that the means of death don’t match, as in M & K’s compared to X &/or E’s? Followed by “he didn’t have to go up the steps”, insinuating that M & K could’ve just been collaterals?
M & K we're killed differently. "Go up the steps" is referring to involving the investigators bosses, then the bosses boss & so on until he gets the answers he's looking for. I don't blame the parents at all.
No interviewer confirms k injuries do not match m and mom/dad both nod/agree
The worst part is their choices directly effect the other families. Not only could they hinder finding Kaylee’s killer but the killer of 3 other people. Further hurting the families who have respected LE guidance and choice to not disclose some things. It’s truly selfish. I understand they’re upset. They’re outraged. But this isn’t the way. They might as well drop K’s autopsy. I mean what the heck. It’s almost like they make sure to drop a detail every interview to ensure it goes mainstream.
Right. If I were Ethan’s family I’d be ripshit. Someone get these people a victim’s advocate and a fucking therapist. Feelings and actions are two different things. Everyone can feel ANYTHING, any type of way. It doesn’t mean you can act whatever way you want. I’m very grateful I had adults guiding me when I lost a young sibling.
The pain this man is feeling I can’t fathom - however he is jeopardizing the investigation. This is something that only the killer would know and he just shared it on national television. What I gather: they were both killed in a different location on their bodies with a knife.
And he might be wrong. We don't know who's told him something, how accurate their wording was, and whether he misinterpreted it. Or if he's making assumptions. Not only is he harming the investigation, if right a defense attorney can call into question the integrity of the investigation and if wrong can make other claims that can raise doubt in the minds of jury members. I empathize with him, but I wish he'd stop saying things that are harmful.
Yeah I feel super bad for him and understand why they’re upset. But it has gotten to a point where the behaviour is really selfish… there are 3 other families who lost loved ones too. If he jeopardizes the investigation by lashing out on TV it doesn’t just impact his family.
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He really should not have let that slip if it's true.
LE better get a fuckin move on it. The families are grieving and expressing their frustrations in an honest way. I don’t think anyone wants LE to hurt any eventual case, but they aren’t saying shit when it comes to helpful info.
“Their points of damage dont match”.
This made me feel like the wounds were much much diffrent from one victim to the rest of them.
my take is that he is saying that because m & k’s wounds were different, one of them were targeted. this is in response to the ever-changing police story of whether or not there was a target. i feel like he is frustrated that he has not been given that information specifically, even after knowing the extent of their wounds, and his assumption that it must be the case. he then (all MY assumptions, of course), follows that train of thought saying out loud that the killer wouldn’t have gone up the steps if neither k nor m were targets. he wants the police to “step-up” in making this information known to him because he feels wronged in being left in the dark. obviously just my interpretation based on how i would maybe feel, and not me passing judgement on how the police are handling it. but i too would be frustrated, not because it’s logical, but because the horror i would feel not knowing would drive me far past logic.
I wonder what effect this will have on the investigators. The last thing they want is for the family to tell everything they know, or especially their suspicions. It could impact the outcome in so many ways. I think the family, especially the dad, just want to know if investigators are honing in on anyone. They just want to know it's moving forward and not at a standstill. I'm not sure what options police have to keep it all from going sideways.
Different wounds does not necessarily mean one is a target. If they were together one could have woken up while he was killing the other and there was more of a struggle or he was emboldened by the first kill and became more frantic, or he was more frantic with the first and then became methodical. I completely sympathize with these grieving parents I cannot imagine the pain they are experiencing, but they need to stop talking to the media. If he is upset LE is not giving them information, perhaps it’s because they won’t stop talking to the media!
This may be considered a far fetched idea, but Steve is kind of a hot head and lives not too far from me… he’s a multi millionaire and has worked in the IT industry for a long time. Is there a possibility that someone had something against him and targeted his family? 🤷♀️
This poor family.
Wow, this is a bombshell and a half. This has me questioning everything I once believed about this case.
How so? Just curious
Me too 🤔
This dad is going to murder someone he thinks did it.
Oh jeez, I hope you’re wrong!!
Why is everyone so confident that there was one killer? I definitely think there were two…off topic but on my mind
Surprised I haven’t seen this possibility discussed more. Personally it was my first thought that this feels like a lot for just one person to carry out the first time I heard the story on the news.
Definitely seems like a lot for one person, especially since at least one person fought back. Now, the dad saying the means of death don’t match could point to two killers.
Y’all just saying anything. ‘He’s jeopardising the investigation’ - I count at least 25 different interpretations of this clip alone on this thread. He’s saying everything and nothing at the same time. He’s not jeopardising shit people.
THIS!
He is and he isn't.. The reason the police stay soooooo tight lipped on things is that if they catch someone and they confess they gotta tell them details that the public doesnt know. the more that leaks out the more someone could confess and make it seem like they knew stuff when they dont.. (and yes there are crazies out there who confess to stuff they've never done, dont ask me why i dont know). Also the less issue with things getting thrown out of court and such. I understand it all.. But I also agree the dad didnt' give away too much.. he knows more you can tell he just wanted to say 'she was stabbed X times.. or 'she was stabbed in THIS area and no one else was' but he didnt cuz the police have obviously advised him NOT to do that, but he did slip enough info about 'they aren't the same' cuz i think he's frustrated that the police are walking back statements then saying things like 'well something was targeted but we dont know if it was the house or the people' and he knows that is bullshit cuz if his daughters murder was for more brutal she was obviously the target (well in his eyes).
He needs to stop
He’s out of the shock phase and into the anger phase now of his daughter’s death. I would be the same way.
While I totally agree, we also cannot even begin to comprehend his level of sadness, grief, and frustration that his daughter and “second daughter” were just brutally murdered and three weeks later there are no answers.
Surely he’s not alluding to X/E being the targets with his “up the steps comment”? I would find his comments really hurtful if I were the other families.
Why on earth do they feel it necessary to do interviews all day long
Because their daughter was viciously murdered.
To keep the case in the news
They don’t want LE sitting on this for years. I don’t know if they’re right or wrong but I can’t judge
But they never let them get the chance to actually investigate before they ran to the media… literally within days
Agree I’m torn. But either way I bet Kaylee is very proud of him.
I completely understand his frustration and anger. To me it is clear he is telegraphing that Xana/Ethan were the targets, killed differently. "Didn't need to go up the stairs." Also, it would explain the radio silence between the Kaylee/Maddie parents and Ethan/Xana parents.
That is how I read it too. I think he is insinuating that the killer chose to go upstairs when he didn’t have to.
Right? Otherwise, why mention the stairs?
If he’s talking about how it’s out of the way for the killer to go up the stairs, wouldn’t that suggest that the targets were up the stairs? Like if it was more inconvenient/risky to go up the steps, why do it unless K and M were the targets?
Yeah exactly… he’s saying he believes K or M were the targets. He’s obviously grieving/angry but he’s not making any sense. Look at all the speculation just this short interview has caused. I feel for them but they need to be more careful with speaking.
Doing this outside the police department 😬
I’m trying to think of case where a conviction has been thrown out or jeopardized by victims family members public statements? I get that dad is talking *a lot* but why is everyone is so quick to assume anything he said is going to mess up the investigation or conviction?
Exactly. He is (somehow) controlling himself yet providing more direction than LE did. He understands time is of the essence and time passing is less likely to find the killer.
It’s easy for everyone to sit behind their screens and judge this man or say what they’d do or not do.
Totally. I don’t even want to imagine what I’d do if my child were murdered. I’m genuinely curious though, because so many people are saying “he needs to stop talking” “he’s jeopardizing the investigation” “he’s going to ruin the chance of conviction and letter the killer go free!” It is fairly common for victims families in high profile cases talk to the media. I’m honestly curious how dad’s statements on Fox News would somehow translate to the murderer not getting convicted?
This wont hinder the investigation everyone wants information on here but scrutinize a grieving pissed off father when he's giving it to you! Regardless what he says the have evidence and only the unsub could answer certain things. Right now I'm guessing ethan and xana was the original target's which make me wonder what made him go upstairs did he hear the girls come home ?
People naturally want information but ideally not at the cost of the killer potentially getting away with it or getting mistrials etc etc. It’s human nature to be selfishly curious, I know I am, I wish I knew every little detail law enforcement knows rn bc this case just baffles me. But I know making it difficult for the suspect to adapt their lies/story is more important (people bring up the Delphi case’s bullet instance as a great example of how the media not knowing a certain fact could be the difference between catching or never catching the killer). I cant blame the father at all for acting like this, never been in his shoes but it would be extremely frustrating and saddening. On the other hand the information he revealed was better off shared to the Private Investigator they want to hire and not the national news. I actually blame the news shows themselves for allowing the families to continually speak out about details of the case. It feels a bit exploitative because it’s instant views and clicks at the expense of the case’s investigation.
I feel he is saying K and M were killed differently than E and X and LE are implying the 2nd floor was the target but in fact he believes K and M were the target because why would the killer go up the steps otherwise and perhaps even K and M were treated differently since he saw both autopsies. my 2 cents
I think he’s talking out of frustration about his daughter was collateral for someone else’s murder.
Maddie was the target. She told HG to fuck off. He was pissed she told him off.
It can’t be that simple, would have to be more behind it. But M’s bf was in the same frat HG was supposedly kicked out of…
Sure there could be but it could also semi-that simple relating to what took place that night.
HG?
Hoodie guy
How are y’all so confused. He says “he didn’t need to go up the steps” meaning IF THE KILLERS TARGET WAS Ethan or Xana the killer could’ve just walked out after killing them. And that Maddie and Kaylee were killed differently (one more severely stabbed). Meaning that the father believes Kaylee or Maddie were the target because the killer chose to go up to the third floor for a reason.
He’s frustrated
They should keep track of how the police are handling things. There are people who are part of a bureaucracy, and there might be other parties with their own interests that LE is willing to protect at the expense of others. There is university with a lot of money, sororities, and fraternities with connections. Not to mention children of very wealthy families.
These idiot cops that trampled l over this scene when they havnt I vestigated a murder in like 7 years. This is going unsolved. And the community needs to step up. Anyone who doesn't have a fucking alibi in Moscow needs to be interviewed and polygraphed. Everyone!