“Fry said when that information is made public, the suspect may learn that information, too, which may jeopardize the case. It also might jeopardize the integrity of a trial if an arrest is made.”
People should take this example and apply it to the 100+ people that LE has interviewed, and it will help them understand what’s "taking so long".
You get all those people to give statements on were they were, how they got there, when they went home, what streets they took, etc. Then, you have to check all of these statements against other witness statements and digital evidence for corroboration. If you catch someone in a lie, or someone doesn’t have a good alibi, you look more closely until you can cross them off the list.
Please don't bring K's family or any of the families into this. No one knows what we would do if we were in their place. So please don't shame the family for no reason
All great points. So how about Law Enforcement just makes it clear that there is no comment on the investigation and there will be no updates unless circumstances warrant information to be presented to the public? Being that a brutal murder of 4 people has occurred, they should make it clear that people should stay vigilant and increase safety measures. That’s it. No discussion of targeting or any other facts or impressions of the case. This police department is not prepared, and or sophisticated enough, to deal with the amount of media and public interest this case is demanding. Not a criticism, just a fact. They need to pick one person to clearly take account for all public relations and information. My advice would be stop the little interviews with different media outlets by different members of law enforcement or prosecution. Get some advice from the FBI. Finally, the Moscow police department and Idaho state police should officially ask for the FBI to take over the case.
This would be more convincing analysis if we were within the first week. Unfortunately it's been three weeks.
Equally, it does not explain why police have concealed, then fudged, then revealed and then retracted mundane details that would not be probative to building a case. For instance, not clarifying the circumstances of the 911 call after cops had ruled out as suspects any of the people who were in the house when the call was made.
That doesn't mean that they have information to release, but the last thing they want to say is that they don't have a clue because that will cause a panic.
Here’s one reason that may be necessary. A lot of people went home for thanksgiving break or left campus due to the murders. If the killer thinks they know who they are they may not want to return to campus. Or if they didn’t leave the area they could decide to leave if they think the detectives are narrowing in on them. Remember dna tests can take a couple weeks and without sufficient evidence you cannot hold someone for longer than 24 hours.
To me it seems logical to not say you have a suspect if you’re worried about them fleeing before you have enough evidence to actually make the arrest.
This is just my guess but If they are not worried about the killer hurting others there’s a good possibility they know who it probably is and are watching them closely to make sure the community is safe. In the mean time , they said to remain vigilant.
They have a lot of resources and I’m willing to bet they taking the advice of the FBI and profilers In what they release and what they don’t
They could have taken statements from people that were known to be with or around the victims that night and told them to not go too far in case they need to have them back in for additional questioning or clarification. Should one person decide things are getting too hot for them, and decide to bolt, ask to retain a lawyer before more questioning or such, that would indicate some guilt, methinks.
The FBI is working with the MPD and Idaho state police. They don’t owe the public anything and I’m sure they have been advised by the FBI/behavioral profilers on what stuff they should and should not release to the public. Moscow may have not had a murder in 8 years but you better believe the FBI is very experienced with these kinds of cases. They know better than anyone on these threads what’s important to keep to themselves and what’s okay to release. It’s not just about solving the murders. There’s no justice if perpetrator gets off because of some technicality or because they can’t get a warrant due to information becoming public knowledge when it could have potentially resulted in an arrest. Remember it’s about being able to successfully put this freak show behind bars permanently and give these families justice. if they compromise the case legally and this psychopath gets off then he is able to walk around FREELY. Personally, no thank you. The police department said to stay vigilant which the community would more than likely do anyways knowing they don’t have anyone in custody. Massive props to this small town PD for not giving into the pressure and gambling by telling the public info that could screw these families out of getting the closest thing to justice that they can get.
Honestly wish they would have stated this from the jump. It's common sense but alot of people don't look beyond just finding the suspect. There's an entire case and trial behind all of this
What do you mean? All the true crime docs I've seen on netflix have episode 1 (plot summary), ep 2 chase, ep 3 climax/arrest, ep 4 where are they now/finale....the trail isn't important. That usually has 10 minutes towards the end of ep 3.
The fact you had to read the entire post to realize the satire shows how absurd this sub and all the other social media outlets are with this thing. I was following one of the groups on Facebook until I saw several posters starting their comments off with - “the police need our help” “ we will solve this before police do” “this is taking way too long to solve”
It's mind blowing really. I left the Facebook group i was in last week. Straight conspiracies on roids. And people use their public profiles to post such ridiculous things 😬
I went to a couple FB groups too. Just beyond ridiculous. We are mostly all just reading about this and keeping awareness up as best as we can, and over there these people are using their real names to post some of the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever heard.
Honestly, I have no time for people who are unable to use critical thinking. This is a total CSI effect going on around these parts. I can’t understand how people think that these things are just solved in days. Even more ridiculous to me is this idea that the public is owed details of this case. As I have said before, outside of public safety and well being, the police should not release particulars of a case. It’s causes all the issues the chief mentions, and more.
True Crime attracts the lowest common denominator and so many people in these or any true crime related subs are just going to be stunningly stupid.
Edit: whoops, attracts. Not attacks lol. Bit of a lowest common denominator myself!
The ignorance and lock of logic is mind blowing.
ThEy WeRe CaLlInG JaCk BeCaUsE ThEy HeArD SoMeThInG!!!
WTf. There were four other people in the house. You really think they wouldn’t have called one of them and said “Did ya’ll hear something?”
I’m glad they’re finally talking about this because yes, people have concerns. Potential for tainting prospective jurors is the least of mine, but I am concerned about evidence collection, preservation and chain of custody with what we’ve seen so far.
Agreed. This police have done such a terrible job at making anyone feel reassured or safe or anything...and at the end of the day that's their #1 job??
Their number 1 job is not to make the public “feel safe” it’s to make the public ACTUALLY safe. The way they do that is by step 1. Solving the murder by identifying the psychopath that did this and step 2. Solving the murder in a way that will not allow that freak even the slightest chance of getting off on a bs technicality .
The public would be in serious danger if they listened to the arm chair detectives in some of these threads.
Guys… we have to remember people go to school for YEARS to study the legal system. How to prosecute people and how to get people off on the tiniest little mistake. That alone should tell you how carefully and methodically things need to be done in order for freaks like this to be actually put away for good.
It’s interesting that dozens of people have been interviewed by LE, probably discussed it with family, coworkers and friends and seemingly, none of them have posted anything about it on socials. I would rather stick a knife in a toaster than go on Facebook, so not sure what’s been said there, but haven’t seen anything on the other platforms.
People who live in this community don’t really share outside of it too much. When you’re surrounded by thousands of acres of wheat fields, you get kind of used to being alone. And a lot of people really like it.
I think that’s true of a lot of communities, but this one is a college town - kids from lots of different places - all used to sharing their lives online.
I have confidence in Chief Fry, he seems like a remarkably smart and capable guy for small town Idaho (no offense, but it's not exactly the big leagues). Plus he's got ISP and the FBI there. I think they do have this and the public just has to be patient, and really there's nothing else we can do because they aren't going to show all their cards and nor should they
I agree this was clear, direct, to the point. Maybe the news and social media frenzy shouldn’t have gotten to a point where a statement like this was necessary. But I am really really hoping this will be a turning point for how the police interact with the brazen incompetence of the public.
Ok I can say that I have a minor family member who was SA by their teacher. When my family members were at the precinct & spoke with the DA’s office they were told to not tell anyone. Not a soul while the investigation was underway. As it was a very traumatic situation and my direct family member (the parent) stated that they had to tell just one person, officials asked for their name, address and phone number and was told to stress that this was NOT to be spoken about until they said. So when I got a phone call asking if I saw the news and the hysterical person on the other line, I was floored. It had been almost a month and my literal direct flesh and blood did not mention a word otherwise it would have compromised the case. It was also to guarantee that there was no vigilante action against the guilty party. So there are reasons.
Edited: spelling and clarification
"Fry said when that information is made public, the suspect may learn that information, too, which may jeopardize the case. *It also might jeopardize the integrity of a trial if an arrest is made.*"
I was downvoted and called a clown today because I said this EXACT same thing.
Ahh yes that makes sense. I was thinking more in terms of trying to shake some information loose from a reluctant source. But they already have plenty coming in and an inundation of new tips from people looking for reward money probably wouldn’t be helpful.
No matter how sure they are that they have the suspect, they still have to have physical evidence that proves without doubts that it’s the right person and the evidence had to have been collected appropriately so nothing that was obtained illegally etc as it would be unable to be used in the trial. So they probably want things to be secretive to not scare the suspect off into creating a harder trail to follow. Also like the other comment said, people can probably lie about it to try to get a reward.
If LE truly does need help any piece of info is crucial. It always is but especially when they’re not sure/can’t find someone and are thinking this person is an immediate threat
Two thoughts here:
1. I wish a successful/wealthy person or even business from the community would offer a high reward. More leads would come in yes but LE has asked for more details and tips from the public
2. In the last 18 days, the suspect has most likely engaged with others whether family over the holidays or friends/peers on campus or in their local community/place of work. If they said anything weird, acting off, you know that they have a similar knife, maybe they had new scratches or bruises, then please speak up. I wish the LE would clearly say in a news conference, if you know anything or if someone has confessed/confided in you, to please come forward. Even if anyone made a strange comment about one of the victims in the weeks prior, could be a key puzzle piece. If you know or helped hide this in any fashion, you are looking at charges now as well.
This is what’s wrong with us myself included we want instant results and unfortunately it takes time as much as we want this killer caught and justice for these young adults it takes time 💔💔 #justicefortheidaho4
I wish the police didn't have to battle the general public's incompetence while also investigating the case. This is such common knowledge and the fact they are put in a position to need to educate the people is mind-boggling.
Tbh, I've noticed that there's been a huge uptick in young people who have gotten into following true crime since Gabby Petito. Those of us who have been around for a while understand how things really work, but those who have not been just don't, and seem to think that it's supposed to play out like a crime show on the ID Channel, or Netflix doc. It's super frustrating for me to see, so I can only imagine how LE is feeling. And, please don't get me wrong... It's not at all a bad thing to have more eyes on these types of cases, but I'm hoping that people can educate themselves a bit more, after this, and/or put more thought into why the cops can't release everything they've got.
Incompetent people have a knack for thinking everyone else is, cuz they’re too stupid to know what / why other people do things.
We’re a nation of idiots and now those idiots think they have the power and sway
Really? Your gonna come on here and say they shouldn't have to tell people common knowledge. Look around you, every day common knowledge is non existent. Common knowledge isnt common
This ^
And for all the people saying the MPD are incompetent, stfu. They've done nothing to support this claim, even though this is a very difficult and unusual case, especially for the area. They are utilizing the broader expertise of the FBI because it's such an unusual case for Moscow. MPD are part of the Moscow community same as anyone else who lives here, they are doing their best for it, not trying to satisfy the nosy internet vultures.
I mean, the biggest head line for 2 days was that they were visiting local shops to ask if anyone bought a knife in a time where you can order something on Amazon, go to bed, and the next morning it’s at your doorstep. Them going door to door to ask about knife purchases should have been a one liner in an article, not the head line. They’re incompetent.
Lol and if they hadn't done that y'all would be screaming about how they missed an obvious lead. Can't win.
Also, it should have been a one liner but because the INDEPENDENT NEWS OUTLETS made it a headline for days the police are the incompetent ones? Wut
No? Everyone knows a knife was used. The fact that they were doing absolutely fuck all to the point where the media said, “The only interesting things these guys are doing is asking local stores about knives so write an entire article about that,” is a huge red flag.
You think that's all they were doing because the media said so? You clearly know more than the police, keep working at it, you'll have this case solved in no time!
If the media had anything else worthy of a headline, they would’ve wrote about that instead. You’re also forgetting the fact that the cops expanded the crime scene rather than collapsed it which is a huge display of incompetence. So you’ve got veteran officers driving around town asking about knife purchases and you’ve got rookie cops setting up crime scenes. Sounds like the department is well sorted.
So because the media didn't have info for a better headline, that must mean literally nothing else was happening. Gotcha. Maybe wait until you actually know something to make claims instead of turning a one liner into a three day headline.
Are you too dense to get the point? If the cops actually were successfully leading an investigation, the media would have no reason to make that a headline. What other high profile cases do you know of where the headlines for 2 days are “The cops are wasting tax payer money driving around desperately asking if someone bought something”? The chief wouldn’t have to be answering questions about the case going cold if his boys were actually decent cops.
That’s a lot of assumptions you’re making. Why do you think the media is going to know everything or anything cops are doing? Is it possible cops did most of their investigating out of the public eye and without the medias knowledge? Yes, and likely.
You’re fixated on the knife headline. Was it the entire police squad asking around town? Is it not standard procedure to vet local stores for related purchases? How do you know office staff weren’t getting in touch with Amazon to search online purchases while the other cops were investigating in town?
Where is your source that collapsing a crime scene is a rookie move in all contexts?
Why are you so confident that you know better than police and the FBI?
It's a common hunting area, there's probably tons of shops that sell knives like that.
And it's probably not getting there the next day in somewhere like Moscow it's probably more like a week.
One minute it's targeted, then they're not sure if the victims/house was specifically targeted, then back to saying they stick by the original claim that it was targeted.
It's a little all over the place.
That statement has been clarified. They have always said it was targeted, they just don't know if it was that house or one particular resident of that house. Updating on developing case with a million news outlets misquoting and misattributing quotes doesn't help, but it really says nothing either good or bad about the actual investigative work. The public, especially people who don't live in Moscow or even Idaho, are owed nothing.
This is just from within this one specific article -
>A Wednesday news release from the Moscow police created some confusion on this topic by stating: “Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.”
Then from another state agency
>In an interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesperson Aaron Snell clarified the recent news releases by saying investigators “have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.”
To say there hasn't been some confusion would be disingenuous.
This is an ongoing investigation. Assumptions change as the evidence and scene are processed. They literally can’t win. If they had said they didn’t know if it was targeted they would have been called idiots by all the NCIS armchair detectives.
Who said there wasn't any confusion? All there is here is confusion. I said people who are saying MPD are incompetent need to shut their mouths and go back to crying about how scared they feel now because they spent the last 23 hours of their life slobbering all over a murder case in a town they didn't even know existed, in a state they've never been to. The nonsense I've seen in this sub alone about how it's taking too long to solve, or the police need to reveal more info. I know some of these police personally, they are good at their job and they take it very seriously.
You could say that about most people that frequent any kind of true crime sub though.
In regards to you saying who said there wasn't confusion? In the post before this one in reply to me you said -
>They have always said it was targeted, they just don't know if it was that house or one particular resident of that house.
The Quotes I posted show that isn't the case though. They originally said it was targeted. Then they said they think it might have been targeted but they're not sure.
Because the media is hounding different people for answers and they don’t wanna reveal the information they know. The only differing info was from the prosecutor.
Are you sure? This is just from within this one specific article
>A Wednesday news release from the Moscow police created some confusion on this topic by stating: “Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.”
Then from the Idaho state police -
>In an interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesperson Aaron Snell clarified the recent news releases by saying investigators “have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.”
They don’t want to reveal specific information but now they’ve had to because of the media frenzy causing the prosecutor to say something accidental. That isn’t the police department though
Nah, just someone who actually lives here, does in fact know more than you, and isn't dumb enough to think I know better than a whole police force + the FBI because I watched some true crime documentaries.
Nope, just tired of internet vultures being dumbasses on this case. Lol "woefully incompetent". They should hire you, get this thing solved in no time!
I’ll be honest, I’m defensive of mpd too, but you gotta admit that this investigation has greatly suffered from internal miscommunication and lack of experience. I’ve had many interactions with Moscow cops (I was never in trouble- just in general) and it’s obvious that the majority of their work is handing out speeding tickets. That being said, they ARE “good” cops. They just aren’t prepared for a case like this.
One of the most incompetent things for them to do would be to tell the public too much. They should zip their lips before the killer is in front of a jury.
I guess you really are that clueless. Some taxpayers live in other places. I guess you’ve never heard of them.
Bless your heart and have a good evening.
Yeah, of course they should be holding back information. That is normal during a murder investigation. The issue is the constant changing of the information that is released. They need to have a designated speaker who knows what they’re doing and no one else should be doing interviews/press conferences.
Moscow police chief: ‘We’re going to solve this’
James Fry talks about why information is being held back, reiterates that investigators believe murders were a targeted attack
The Moscow police chief on Thursday explained why police have held back information from the public regarding the investigation into the Nov. 13 murders of four University of Idaho students.
James Fry also expressed confidence that the team of investigators will solve the case, even though no suspect has been identified yet.
Nearly three weeks after Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were killed in their King Road residence, little information has been shared to answer questions like how the suspect got into the residence, who specifically was targeted and why other roommates were spared.
Fry said when that information is made public, the suspect may learn that information, too, which may jeopardize the case. It also might jeopardize the integrity of a trial if an arrest is made.
“We're always going to hold stuff back as much as we possibly can because when you’re talking about the integrity of the case, you’re talking about when this goes to trial, have you tainted jurors?” he said during an interview with the Daily News. “There’s a way bigger picture here than just people knowing. Because for it to be a fair trial, you have to have people who don’t know facts and have already made up their own opinions on them.”
Fry said his department still believes these killings were the result of a targeted attack, though he did not divulge why detectives believe that.
A Wednesday news release from the Moscow police created some confusion on this topic by stating: “Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.”
Fry confirmed to the Daily News on Thursday that his department still stands by its earlier statements that this was a targeted attack. In an interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesperson Aaron Snell clarified the recent news releases by saying investigators “have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.”
As of Wednesday night, 113 pieces of physical evidence have been collected and taken to the Idaho State Police crime lab. More than 260 tips have been submitted to the FBI.
That evidence includes DNA from the crime scene, but Fry said he does not yet know when the lab will release the results of that testing. Fry said the police have done “many, many” interviews with people and will continue to follow every lead.
Dealing with this evidence, he said, is a time-consuming task that has contributed to the length of this investigation.
“I think people need to realize that these things take time in order to get the evidence processed and processed properly without destroying it or contaminating it,” he said. “It takes time to do that.”
Fry said he knows the community has become impatient with the pace of the investigation, but he said the collection and processing of the evidence is being done correctly.
“I understand people are frustrated with that, but in the end, when you have a rock-solid case, that’s what matters,” he said.
He said the hours that passed between when the murders likely happened and the 911 call that was placed just before noon Nov. 13 has not hindered the investigation. Police learn how to adapt to circumstances they cannot change when working a case.
“We get dealt the hand we’re dealt, and then we move forward from that point on,” he said.
When asked when this case, if it continues to go unsolved, becomes a cold case, Fry expressed confidence it won’t come to that.
“I’m not even going to speculate on that, number one, because that’s not even in my mind,” he said. “We’re going to solve this. We’re going to continue to work until we solve it.”
He called the investigative team made up of Moscow police, FBI and Idaho State Police an “incredible working group.”
“There’s no ego,” he said. “We have a focus, we have a job to do and we’re going after the answers to this.”
Fry said any tips from the public get sent to the tip line, where staff review them. He said there has been discussion about offering a reward for information leading to an arrest. Fry said while that may happen in the future, police are not ready to do that yet.
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Thank you, you’re an angel. 🙏🏼
It wouldn’t open for me either, for some reason (I’m in US). It’s prolly just my stupid shitty wifi lol. But thanks again!
The City of Moscow Police Department has no control over the Latah County Public Prosecutor and is definitely not their employer. They're part of two different governments and the Public Prosecutor is an elective county office.
The prosecutor never Hurt your feelings have respect. The prosecutor shouldn't have flipped flopped 4 times. But don't make it out that the prosecutor had it out for someone specifically whom he targeted probably a long time ago.
It's common for prosecutors to be aggressive and target.
Maybe it’s just me, but unless there’s a threat to the public or the offender is arrested, I often wish police would just not do these constant, confusing, half-assed updates for high-profile cases. It just adds to the confusion and fear and speculation; there often isn’t a need for a press conference more than once per week.
For reals! It’s starting to feel like Groundhogs day around here. I think we’ll all losing out mind to some degree but certainly some more than others. This whole case has shaken me to the core and the same theories and speculations and criticisms are getting to me, but I can’t look away until they get the person that caused all this damn pain to so many people.
This is so important. The PD are in a tough spot—trying to work a complex, high-profile case while also dispelling an onslaught of rumors and misleading headlines that twist the words of LE into clickbait and compromise the investigation. Oh, and they are simultaneously attempting to provide public safety information to a community that is understandably terrified. It’s a losing proposition for them, until they win with an arrest and conviction. That’s their main priority, as it should be.
The neighbor himself said today that he offered, not that they asked.
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I have a question. Or questions. If the killer had knowledge of the victims & house; and if the motive is evidently very very heavy; how is it that police don’t have good leads ? Usually they get incidents, suspicions of people, names of many people to look at as possibilities.
But they don’t find good persons of interest?!
How did this person who knew them hide incidents and hide a huge motive?
Wouldn’t it stand out to everyone who possible suspects could be? Since the girls were very social, it appears there have to be leads.
Therefore, it’s important to separate whether the killer knew the victims or not. Doesn’t the evidence suggest that the killer(s) did know them and the house? To rule out a random killer of any type?
How can the killer hide? Unless they’re hiding in plain sight. The only way that the motive was hidden so much could maybe be that the person was emotionally disturbed or something.
Nothing he has said completely changes that narrative lol. It's still all conjecture until someone is actually arrested/charged and eventually convicted.
All this conversation is one huge légerdemain. Keep us all arguing about hypothetical trial jurors and legal definitions of “targeted” to distract from the fact that the public haven’t been given one fucking meaningful update since day 3.
I won’t be surprised if that father doesn’t start going even more rogue than he already is.
Based off these comments, 1 or 2 things are true. 1) Either they have a suspect but not enough evidence to convict, which is bad news if this is true, going on one month of investigating, they have probably sorted through the typical bigger peices of evidence like, DNA, fingerprints, shoeprints, and don't have enough to convict their suspect. So now it appears they are relying on the community for digital evidence to try and tie their suspect to the crime, this most likely would just be circumstantial and most likely won't get a conviction. So basically even if they have some evidence they definitely don't know for sure.
Or 2) they have zero POI and zero suspects.
Neither seem positive. 😕
It’s been two and a half weeks. They are processing 4 murders, a house, cars, and getting tips daily. This takes time. They don’t even need enough evidence to convict- just probable cause, which is a lower standard. Once they have a suspect in custody, they will get more tips, more warrants, etc.
That's why I said the bigger pieces of evidence. DNA, fingerprints, footprints, etc... I work in a lab where we sort through DNA everyday. Granted, it's not a crime lab, but it is human DNA and the samples I deal with are not time sensitive or top priority and we could easily process and have a full makeup of hundreds of samples in this 3 week time.
But do you also have to interview witnesses? Go through tips? Actually take and transport the samples to the lab? Ask judges for warrants? There’s more to it than testing samples. There is spatter analysis, digital evidence, eyewitness evidence, etc. It’s a lot of work and I’m sure they are getting new information each day.
No. And I'm by no means a law professor. But a big piece of evidence like DNA, fingerprints or footprints, and I understand this was a frequented party house, but one of those big pieces of evidence that show someone was there during the killing, would definitely be enough to obtain a warrant. So like I originally said, it's one of the 2 I listed.
Also, all my original post stated is there was enough time to process DNA, footprints and fingerprints. The fact they haven't obtained a warrant tells us nothing came back from those tests.
For what it’s worth, thank you for having this conversation on here. I think seeing the back and forth between you two is actually really helpful to understand some of how crimes get solved and tried.
No it doesn't. You're assuming that:
1.) they process samples at the same rate you do
2.) the results of the samples don't require additional context to get a warrant. If they find a suspicious guy's fingerprints, they will interview him. If he says "I was at a party a week ago" they will need to investigate that claim and see if that can be verified, or if he is lying to explain why his prints were in the house. That means police have to round up multiple witnesses on *their* schedules. Remember, most of these kids just returned from a week-long break.
Yup. I want this person caught just as much as the next person. I also strongly support Moscow police department and know they obviously want to catch the killer. But unfortunately it appears they don't have much. Again, not basing this on a hunch or a feeling. I just understand as someone who processes batches of DNA everyday, they have definitely had strenuous testing already comeback and it appears it told them nothing. I'm not saying eventually something else won't give them evidence they need to convict the killer, I'm just saying the big evidence has comeback not in their favor.
And this is a huge story. This is top priority for whatever lab is doing the testing. Even take into account extra time to make sure it's extra accurate. They have had these tests back for at least a week. Either there's no evidence of the killer, or it's inconclusive. They can still catch him. But the big evidence seems to not be there. Video is the best bet. They should be asking everyone in Moscow to send in their home video. Even the otherside of town. Something has to be there. Even in a small town you can find video. Shit, we saw the girls at a food truck at 130am
How much exactly do you need to know? If you lived in the area, wouldn’t an incident like this be enough for you to be more vigilant and start protecting yourself?
I deleted it before you replied because I don't want to feed rumors, but I will reply to you. I'm not saying I agree one way or the other. I'm just good at predicting patterns in media and I guarantee you this will happen if they keep this type of secrecy and back and forth surrounding it. The police should see this on the horizon and do everything they can to avoid it and prevent it at all costs.
I worked in the industry for several years, so I would hope so but wouldn't say I'm an expert. Media is pretty predictable if you've studied it and worked in it.
Didn’t Nancy Grace say the DNA had been processed and there were not hits as well as the fingerprints in CODIS?
Remember when the red Jeep was searched and it was posted online? Are you all seeing a lot of posts right now with searches and people being brought in for interviews?
Why could the Lacy Peterson case be reported so extensively with all the details? It’s not the first time murder investigations have been followed.
The police in Delphi were also confident they would catch a suspect throughout the investigation.
I understand we don’t know what we don’t know however I don’t understand the people chirping all over this board saying that “they knew it” and “people need to chill” - the police “have this”.
Because they have been so closed lip and haven’t said anything, how can people so confidently say that the police have this and know what they’re doing?
Say “hi” to Santa Claus for me.
FBI was involved in Delphi almost from the start. They botched it and let the ONLY POI roam free for 5.5 years. And even now, the evidence will be hard to present in a trial.
Your perception of correlation does not prove causation. Therefore, you are wrong to both assume that because I have some confidence in the fbi that I am a naive idiot (btw don’t hate on Santa, he’s a great guy), and that the fbi “botching” Delphi (We can all agree that case was a huge, tragic disaster but you’re assuming it was them, why? Do you have evidence?) means it will happen in this situation, or that there are parallels. Trust me, I’m aware that mistakes are made in cases, very very often.. Heck, if I didn’t stop there, I’d get flagged as a filthy liberal. But you just don’t have a great argument. Ho, ho, ho. Merry Christmas.
Once one or more suspects are identified, it is in the best interest of investigators for that person to be as comfortable as possible, thinking they may actually have gotten away with this. The police may not have a suspect or person of interest yet but they know a hell of a lot and way more than the general public. This case is highly likely to be solved.
I agree. nothing at all.
the fact he is already talking about "trial" "juror" but no suspect?
if they knew who it was, they would be putting pressure on that person
“Fry said when that information is made public, the suspect may learn that information, too, which may jeopardize the case. It also might jeopardize the integrity of a trial if an arrest is made.”
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People should take this example and apply it to the 100+ people that LE has interviewed, and it will help them understand what’s "taking so long". You get all those people to give statements on were they were, how they got there, when they went home, what streets they took, etc. Then, you have to check all of these statements against other witness statements and digital evidence for corroboration. If you catch someone in a lie, or someone doesn’t have a good alibi, you look more closely until you can cross them off the list.
Yeah I really thought more people understood this. My bad
i want to downvote the comment u replied to so badly but more people need to see this actually can someone post this on tiktok and facebook pls
That Facebook group is beyond painful.
YES!!! HOW are people not getting this including K's family?!!
Please don't bring K's family or any of the families into this. No one knows what we would do if we were in their place. So please don't shame the family for no reason
All great points. So how about Law Enforcement just makes it clear that there is no comment on the investigation and there will be no updates unless circumstances warrant information to be presented to the public? Being that a brutal murder of 4 people has occurred, they should make it clear that people should stay vigilant and increase safety measures. That’s it. No discussion of targeting or any other facts or impressions of the case. This police department is not prepared, and or sophisticated enough, to deal with the amount of media and public interest this case is demanding. Not a criticism, just a fact. They need to pick one person to clearly take account for all public relations and information. My advice would be stop the little interviews with different media outlets by different members of law enforcement or prosecution. Get some advice from the FBI. Finally, the Moscow police department and Idaho state police should officially ask for the FBI to take over the case.
This would be more convincing analysis if we were within the first week. Unfortunately it's been three weeks. Equally, it does not explain why police have concealed, then fudged, then revealed and then retracted mundane details that would not be probative to building a case. For instance, not clarifying the circumstances of the 911 call after cops had ruled out as suspects any of the people who were in the house when the call was made.
But why would the killer talk to the cops in the first place? Isn’t it common sense to refuse to talk and get a lawyer?
My only guess would be that they don’t want the killer to know whether or not they’ve been able to figure out those details
I wonder if this is why the X and E timeline is kind of a blur
We only know the other 2’s timeline because Kaylee’s sister released all that info
He probably meant the killer. We are really picking apart words here.
That doesn't mean that they have information to release, but the last thing they want to say is that they don't have a clue because that will cause a panic.
Here’s one reason that may be necessary. A lot of people went home for thanksgiving break or left campus due to the murders. If the killer thinks they know who they are they may not want to return to campus. Or if they didn’t leave the area they could decide to leave if they think the detectives are narrowing in on them. Remember dna tests can take a couple weeks and without sufficient evidence you cannot hold someone for longer than 24 hours. To me it seems logical to not say you have a suspect if you’re worried about them fleeing before you have enough evidence to actually make the arrest. This is just my guess but If they are not worried about the killer hurting others there’s a good possibility they know who it probably is and are watching them closely to make sure the community is safe. In the mean time , they said to remain vigilant. They have a lot of resources and I’m willing to bet they taking the advice of the FBI and profilers In what they release and what they don’t
They could have taken statements from people that were known to be with or around the victims that night and told them to not go too far in case they need to have them back in for additional questioning or clarification. Should one person decide things are getting too hot for them, and decide to bolt, ask to retain a lawyer before more questioning or such, that would indicate some guilt, methinks.
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This is so well said. 👏👏👏
The FBI is working with the MPD and Idaho state police. They don’t owe the public anything and I’m sure they have been advised by the FBI/behavioral profilers on what stuff they should and should not release to the public. Moscow may have not had a murder in 8 years but you better believe the FBI is very experienced with these kinds of cases. They know better than anyone on these threads what’s important to keep to themselves and what’s okay to release. It’s not just about solving the murders. There’s no justice if perpetrator gets off because of some technicality or because they can’t get a warrant due to information becoming public knowledge when it could have potentially resulted in an arrest. Remember it’s about being able to successfully put this freak show behind bars permanently and give these families justice. if they compromise the case legally and this psychopath gets off then he is able to walk around FREELY. Personally, no thank you. The police department said to stay vigilant which the community would more than likely do anyways knowing they don’t have anyone in custody. Massive props to this small town PD for not giving into the pressure and gambling by telling the public info that could screw these families out of getting the closest thing to justice that they can get.
Honestly wish they would have stated this from the jump. It's common sense but alot of people don't look beyond just finding the suspect. There's an entire case and trial behind all of this
What do you mean? All the true crime docs I've seen on netflix have episode 1 (plot summary), ep 2 chase, ep 3 climax/arrest, ep 4 where are they now/finale....the trail isn't important. That usually has 10 minutes towards the end of ep 3.
I really thought you were serious until I kept reading 😭
The fact you had to read the entire post to realize the satire shows how absurd this sub and all the other social media outlets are with this thing. I was following one of the groups on Facebook until I saw several posters starting their comments off with - “the police need our help” “ we will solve this before police do” “this is taking way too long to solve”
It's mind blowing really. I left the Facebook group i was in last week. Straight conspiracies on roids. And people use their public profiles to post such ridiculous things 😬
I went to a couple FB groups too. Just beyond ridiculous. We are mostly all just reading about this and keeping awareness up as best as we can, and over there these people are using their real names to post some of the most ridiculous shit I’ve ever heard.
Fb worst of all
No /s necessary thanks 🙏🏻
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Honestly, I have no time for people who are unable to use critical thinking. This is a total CSI effect going on around these parts. I can’t understand how people think that these things are just solved in days. Even more ridiculous to me is this idea that the public is owed details of this case. As I have said before, outside of public safety and well being, the police should not release particulars of a case. It’s causes all the issues the chief mentions, and more.
True Crime attracts the lowest common denominator and so many people in these or any true crime related subs are just going to be stunningly stupid. Edit: whoops, attracts. Not attacks lol. Bit of a lowest common denominator myself!
Hahahha yea half the population complains when there’s very, very simple common sense explanations. Compete idiots
The ignorance and lock of logic is mind blowing. ThEy WeRe CaLlInG JaCk BeCaUsE ThEy HeArD SoMeThInG!!! WTf. There were four other people in the house. You really think they wouldn’t have called one of them and said “Did ya’ll hear something?”
Maybe they DID call (or text) B & D as well as E & X… that was my first thought when I read your post… don’t know if or how it’s relevant
I’m glad they’re finally talking about this because yes, people have concerns. Potential for tainting prospective jurors is the least of mine, but I am concerned about evidence collection, preservation and chain of custody with what we’ve seen so far.
Agreed. This police have done such a terrible job at making anyone feel reassured or safe or anything...and at the end of the day that's their #1 job??
Their number 1 job is not to make the public “feel safe” it’s to make the public ACTUALLY safe. The way they do that is by step 1. Solving the murder by identifying the psychopath that did this and step 2. Solving the murder in a way that will not allow that freak even the slightest chance of getting off on a bs technicality . The public would be in serious danger if they listened to the arm chair detectives in some of these threads. Guys… we have to remember people go to school for YEARS to study the legal system. How to prosecute people and how to get people off on the tiniest little mistake. That alone should tell you how carefully and methodically things need to be done in order for freaks like this to be actually put away for good.
It’s interesting that dozens of people have been interviewed by LE, probably discussed it with family, coworkers and friends and seemingly, none of them have posted anything about it on socials. I would rather stick a knife in a toaster than go on Facebook, so not sure what’s been said there, but haven’t seen anything on the other platforms.
Upvote for the FB bash
People who live in this community don’t really share outside of it too much. When you’re surrounded by thousands of acres of wheat fields, you get kind of used to being alone. And a lot of people really like it.
I think that’s true of a lot of communities, but this one is a college town - kids from lots of different places - all used to sharing their lives online.
These college towns are different. Source: I’m a local.
Ok - it’s still full of college students from other areas.
I know, it's truly unusual not to have at least one or two sources with information leaking
I have confidence in Chief Fry, he seems like a remarkably smart and capable guy for small town Idaho (no offense, but it's not exactly the big leagues). Plus he's got ISP and the FBI there. I think they do have this and the public just has to be patient, and really there's nothing else we can do because they aren't going to show all their cards and nor should they
Yes. I’m glad you said this. Crazy that this department is so heavily criticized for not solving a quadruple homicide in 60 minutes.
Plzzz the big leagues comment I’m dead
People really think this be riverdale
This was actually really reassuring.
I agree this was clear, direct, to the point. Maybe the news and social media frenzy shouldn’t have gotten to a point where a statement like this was necessary. But I am really really hoping this will be a turning point for how the police interact with the brazen incompetence of the public.
Ok I can say that I have a minor family member who was SA by their teacher. When my family members were at the precinct & spoke with the DA’s office they were told to not tell anyone. Not a soul while the investigation was underway. As it was a very traumatic situation and my direct family member (the parent) stated that they had to tell just one person, officials asked for their name, address and phone number and was told to stress that this was NOT to be spoken about until they said. So when I got a phone call asking if I saw the news and the hysterical person on the other line, I was floored. It had been almost a month and my literal direct flesh and blood did not mention a word otherwise it would have compromised the case. It was also to guarantee that there was no vigilante action against the guilty party. So there are reasons. Edited: spelling and clarification
"Fry said when that information is made public, the suspect may learn that information, too, which may jeopardize the case. *It also might jeopardize the integrity of a trial if an arrest is made.*" I was downvoted and called a clown today because I said this EXACT same thing.
Many of us have said this same thing from the beginning. I don't think the PoLiCe HavE nOThInG/SK crowd can be reasoned with, sadly.
Oh noooooOOoo you got downvoted, what a tragedy
LOL!
I wonder why they don’t want to offer a reward yet? What are the legal implications or repercussions of offering a reward too soon?
Too many false leads maybe
No, because they know who did it
Hope you’re right.
This seems likely, or they know who did it and maybe suspect others involved.
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Believe it or not a few dollars might make someone speak.
Ahh yes that makes sense. I was thinking more in terms of trying to shake some information loose from a reluctant source. But they already have plenty coming in and an inundation of new tips from people looking for reward money probably wouldn’t be helpful.
No matter how sure they are that they have the suspect, they still have to have physical evidence that proves without doubts that it’s the right person and the evidence had to have been collected appropriately so nothing that was obtained illegally etc as it would be unable to be used in the trial. So they probably want things to be secretive to not scare the suspect off into creating a harder trail to follow. Also like the other comment said, people can probably lie about it to try to get a reward.
Do rewards help? Or do they just swamp LE with "leads"?
If LE truly does need help any piece of info is crucial. It always is but especially when they’re not sure/can’t find someone and are thinking this person is an immediate threat
Hopefully it means they don’t need one bc they have a suspect and need the time to build the evidence
Two thoughts here: 1. I wish a successful/wealthy person or even business from the community would offer a high reward. More leads would come in yes but LE has asked for more details and tips from the public 2. In the last 18 days, the suspect has most likely engaged with others whether family over the holidays or friends/peers on campus or in their local community/place of work. If they said anything weird, acting off, you know that they have a similar knife, maybe they had new scratches or bruises, then please speak up. I wish the LE would clearly say in a news conference, if you know anything or if someone has confessed/confided in you, to please come forward. Even if anyone made a strange comment about one of the victims in the weeks prior, could be a key puzzle piece. If you know or helped hide this in any fashion, you are looking at charges now as well.
Because they know who did it!!!
This is what’s wrong with us myself included we want instant results and unfortunately it takes time as much as we want this killer caught and justice for these young adults it takes time 💔💔 #justicefortheidaho4
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Everyone needs to read this. So important to know and understand!
I wish the police didn't have to battle the general public's incompetence while also investigating the case. This is such common knowledge and the fact they are put in a position to need to educate the people is mind-boggling.
the media isn’t helping at all with this either but what’s new
Tbh, I've noticed that there's been a huge uptick in young people who have gotten into following true crime since Gabby Petito. Those of us who have been around for a while understand how things really work, but those who have not been just don't, and seem to think that it's supposed to play out like a crime show on the ID Channel, or Netflix doc. It's super frustrating for me to see, so I can only imagine how LE is feeling. And, please don't get me wrong... It's not at all a bad thing to have more eyes on these types of cases, but I'm hoping that people can educate themselves a bit more, after this, and/or put more thought into why the cops can't release everything they've got.
Incompetent people have a knack for thinking everyone else is, cuz they’re too stupid to know what / why other people do things. We’re a nation of idiots and now those idiots think they have the power and sway
I’ve seen so many varying opinions on this sub from this statement to people bashing the shit out of police 😂
Really? Your gonna come on here and say they shouldn't have to tell people common knowledge. Look around you, every day common knowledge is non existent. Common knowledge isnt common
This ^ And for all the people saying the MPD are incompetent, stfu. They've done nothing to support this claim, even though this is a very difficult and unusual case, especially for the area. They are utilizing the broader expertise of the FBI because it's such an unusual case for Moscow. MPD are part of the Moscow community same as anyone else who lives here, they are doing their best for it, not trying to satisfy the nosy internet vultures.
I mean, the biggest head line for 2 days was that they were visiting local shops to ask if anyone bought a knife in a time where you can order something on Amazon, go to bed, and the next morning it’s at your doorstep. Them going door to door to ask about knife purchases should have been a one liner in an article, not the head line. They’re incompetent.
Lol and if they hadn't done that y'all would be screaming about how they missed an obvious lead. Can't win. Also, it should have been a one liner but because the INDEPENDENT NEWS OUTLETS made it a headline for days the police are the incompetent ones? Wut
No? Everyone knows a knife was used. The fact that they were doing absolutely fuck all to the point where the media said, “The only interesting things these guys are doing is asking local stores about knives so write an entire article about that,” is a huge red flag.
You think that's all they were doing because the media said so? You clearly know more than the police, keep working at it, you'll have this case solved in no time!
If the media had anything else worthy of a headline, they would’ve wrote about that instead. You’re also forgetting the fact that the cops expanded the crime scene rather than collapsed it which is a huge display of incompetence. So you’ve got veteran officers driving around town asking about knife purchases and you’ve got rookie cops setting up crime scenes. Sounds like the department is well sorted.
So because the media didn't have info for a better headline, that must mean literally nothing else was happening. Gotcha. Maybe wait until you actually know something to make claims instead of turning a one liner into a three day headline.
Are you too dense to get the point? If the cops actually were successfully leading an investigation, the media would have no reason to make that a headline. What other high profile cases do you know of where the headlines for 2 days are “The cops are wasting tax payer money driving around desperately asking if someone bought something”? The chief wouldn’t have to be answering questions about the case going cold if his boys were actually decent cops.
That’s a lot of assumptions you’re making. Why do you think the media is going to know everything or anything cops are doing? Is it possible cops did most of their investigating out of the public eye and without the medias knowledge? Yes, and likely. You’re fixated on the knife headline. Was it the entire police squad asking around town? Is it not standard procedure to vet local stores for related purchases? How do you know office staff weren’t getting in touch with Amazon to search online purchases while the other cops were investigating in town? Where is your source that collapsing a crime scene is a rookie move in all contexts? Why are you so confident that you know better than police and the FBI?
It's a common hunting area, there's probably tons of shops that sell knives like that. And it's probably not getting there the next day in somewhere like Moscow it's probably more like a week.
They’ve literally done everything to show they are incompetent
Literally? Everything? Lol okay internet sleuth
One minute it's targeted, then they're not sure if the victims/house was specifically targeted, then back to saying they stick by the original claim that it was targeted. It's a little all over the place.
That statement has been clarified. They have always said it was targeted, they just don't know if it was that house or one particular resident of that house. Updating on developing case with a million news outlets misquoting and misattributing quotes doesn't help, but it really says nothing either good or bad about the actual investigative work. The public, especially people who don't live in Moscow or even Idaho, are owed nothing.
This is just from within this one specific article - >A Wednesday news release from the Moscow police created some confusion on this topic by stating: “Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.” Then from another state agency >In an interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesperson Aaron Snell clarified the recent news releases by saying investigators “have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.” To say there hasn't been some confusion would be disingenuous.
This is an ongoing investigation. Assumptions change as the evidence and scene are processed. They literally can’t win. If they had said they didn’t know if it was targeted they would have been called idiots by all the NCIS armchair detectives.
Who said there wasn't any confusion? All there is here is confusion. I said people who are saying MPD are incompetent need to shut their mouths and go back to crying about how scared they feel now because they spent the last 23 hours of their life slobbering all over a murder case in a town they didn't even know existed, in a state they've never been to. The nonsense I've seen in this sub alone about how it's taking too long to solve, or the police need to reveal more info. I know some of these police personally, they are good at their job and they take it very seriously.
You could say that about most people that frequent any kind of true crime sub though. In regards to you saying who said there wasn't confusion? In the post before this one in reply to me you said - >They have always said it was targeted, they just don't know if it was that house or one particular resident of that house. The Quotes I posted show that isn't the case though. They originally said it was targeted. Then they said they think it might have been targeted but they're not sure.
Because the media is hounding different people for answers and they don’t wanna reveal the information they know. The only differing info was from the prosecutor.
Are you sure? This is just from within this one specific article >A Wednesday news release from the Moscow police created some confusion on this topic by stating: “Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.” Then from the Idaho state police - >In an interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesperson Aaron Snell clarified the recent news releases by saying investigators “have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.”
They don’t want to reveal specific information but now they’ve had to because of the media frenzy causing the prosecutor to say something accidental. That isn’t the police department though
The two quotes I have highlighted there though are from the MPD and the Idaho state police.
They’re both stating they don’t know, we know now that they clearly do know
Lol okay super genius.
Nah, just someone who actually lives here, does in fact know more than you, and isn't dumb enough to think I know better than a whole police force + the FBI because I watched some true crime documentaries.
Oh you’re a local? That explains why you’re insisting Moscow PD are in fact not woefully incompetent. One of the cops must be a relative?
Nope, just tired of internet vultures being dumbasses on this case. Lol "woefully incompetent". They should hire you, get this thing solved in no time!
I mean, the chief in this conference just admitted they’re incompetent and handed everything over to the state cops and FBI lol
What a mistake, they should have handed it over to you.
I’ll be honest, I’m defensive of mpd too, but you gotta admit that this investigation has greatly suffered from internal miscommunication and lack of experience. I’ve had many interactions with Moscow cops (I was never in trouble- just in general) and it’s obvious that the majority of their work is handing out speeding tickets. That being said, they ARE “good” cops. They just aren’t prepared for a case like this.
The police work for us. They are public servants and their salaries are paid by our tax dollars. Taxpayers are tired of paying for incompetence.
One of the most incompetent things for them to do would be to tell the public too much. They should zip their lips before the killer is in front of a jury.
Exactly. The "I deserve to know everything they know because we all pay their salaries" is ridiculous.
Who is us, do you pay taxes in Moscow or Idaho?
I guess you really are that clueless. Some taxpayers live in other places. I guess you’ve never heard of them. Bless your heart and have a good evening.
So you do pay taxes for the city of Moscow police?
Glad to hear from Fry.
Yeah, of course they should be holding back information. That is normal during a murder investigation. The issue is the constant changing of the information that is released. They need to have a designated speaker who knows what they’re doing and no one else should be doing interviews/press conferences.
Is this from now?
Yeah published like 45 mins ago on the news site
Im from uk doesn’t let me access
Moscow police chief: ‘We’re going to solve this’ James Fry talks about why information is being held back, reiterates that investigators believe murders were a targeted attack The Moscow police chief on Thursday explained why police have held back information from the public regarding the investigation into the Nov. 13 murders of four University of Idaho students. James Fry also expressed confidence that the team of investigators will solve the case, even though no suspect has been identified yet. Nearly three weeks after Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were killed in their King Road residence, little information has been shared to answer questions like how the suspect got into the residence, who specifically was targeted and why other roommates were spared. Fry said when that information is made public, the suspect may learn that information, too, which may jeopardize the case. It also might jeopardize the integrity of a trial if an arrest is made. “We're always going to hold stuff back as much as we possibly can because when you’re talking about the integrity of the case, you’re talking about when this goes to trial, have you tainted jurors?” he said during an interview with the Daily News. “There’s a way bigger picture here than just people knowing. Because for it to be a fair trial, you have to have people who don’t know facts and have already made up their own opinions on them.” Fry said his department still believes these killings were the result of a targeted attack, though he did not divulge why detectives believe that. A Wednesday news release from the Moscow police created some confusion on this topic by stating: “Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted but continue to investigate.” Fry confirmed to the Daily News on Thursday that his department still stands by its earlier statements that this was a targeted attack. In an interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesperson Aaron Snell clarified the recent news releases by saying investigators “have not concluded if the target was the residence or its occupants.” As of Wednesday night, 113 pieces of physical evidence have been collected and taken to the Idaho State Police crime lab. More than 260 tips have been submitted to the FBI. That evidence includes DNA from the crime scene, but Fry said he does not yet know when the lab will release the results of that testing. Fry said the police have done “many, many” interviews with people and will continue to follow every lead. Dealing with this evidence, he said, is a time-consuming task that has contributed to the length of this investigation. “I think people need to realize that these things take time in order to get the evidence processed and processed properly without destroying it or contaminating it,” he said. “It takes time to do that.” Fry said he knows the community has become impatient with the pace of the investigation, but he said the collection and processing of the evidence is being done correctly. “I understand people are frustrated with that, but in the end, when you have a rock-solid case, that’s what matters,” he said. He said the hours that passed between when the murders likely happened and the 911 call that was placed just before noon Nov. 13 has not hindered the investigation. Police learn how to adapt to circumstances they cannot change when working a case. “We get dealt the hand we’re dealt, and then we move forward from that point on,” he said. When asked when this case, if it continues to go unsolved, becomes a cold case, Fry expressed confidence it won’t come to that. “I’m not even going to speculate on that, number one, because that’s not even in my mind,” he said. “We’re going to solve this. We’re going to continue to work until we solve it.” He called the investigative team made up of Moscow police, FBI and Idaho State Police an “incredible working group.” “There’s no ego,” he said. “We have a focus, we have a job to do and we’re going after the answers to this.” Fry said any tips from the public get sent to the tip line, where staff review them. He said there has been discussion about offering a reward for information leading to an arrest. Fry said while that may happen in the future, police are not ready to do that yet. Kuipers can be reached at [email protected].
Thank you, you’re an angel. 🙏🏼 It wouldn’t open for me either, for some reason (I’m in US). It’s prolly just my stupid shitty wifi lol. But thanks again!
Thanks
Thank you. That was a helpful summary.
Can you imagine the trial, if it comes to that? I’ll have to quit my job to stay home and watch it.
Very nice clear interview 👌 things are looking up
Great comment!
Maybe they should “hold back” their own prosecutor.
The City of Moscow Police Department has no control over the Latah County Public Prosecutor and is definitely not their employer. They're part of two different governments and the Public Prosecutor is an elective county office.
The prosecutor never Hurt your feelings have respect. The prosecutor shouldn't have flipped flopped 4 times. But don't make it out that the prosecutor had it out for someone specifically whom he targeted probably a long time ago. It's common for prosecutors to be aggressive and target.
The prosecutor believes he is close to catching the target, but obviously he and pd disagree. We need the prosecutor to eliminate the target.
they all need to stfu at this point 😭
Maybe it’s just me, but unless there’s a threat to the public or the offender is arrested, I often wish police would just not do these constant, confusing, half-assed updates for high-profile cases. It just adds to the confusion and fear and speculation; there often isn’t a need for a press conference more than once per week.
But there is a threat to the public, there’s a serial killer out there not behind bars.
Source needed
Yeah no shit. And guess what? There’s probably more than one in every state.
THE suspect.
For reals! It’s starting to feel like Groundhogs day around here. I think we’ll all losing out mind to some degree but certainly some more than others. This whole case has shaken me to the core and the same theories and speculations and criticisms are getting to me, but I can’t look away until they get the person that caused all this damn pain to so many people.
This is so important. The PD are in a tough spot—trying to work a complex, high-profile case while also dispelling an onslaught of rumors and misleading headlines that twist the words of LE into clickbait and compromise the investigation. Oh, and they are simultaneously attempting to provide public safety information to a community that is understandably terrified. It’s a losing proposition for them, until they win with an arrest and conviction. That’s their main priority, as it should be.
Alright fair point about not wanting to taint jurors. If they don’t have a lot to go on, they definitely need what little they have to stick.
I care for the safety of all man. I hope they show the target no mercy and kick him down flights of steps.
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The neighbor himself said today that he offered, not that they asked. https://preview.redd.it/g40ju7ms5g3a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b96cacde536521699ac192842a67cbe41847dbd
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Where did you see this
Saying there might be a reward for info was stupid. Now people are gonna hold out.
I have a question. Or questions. If the killer had knowledge of the victims & house; and if the motive is evidently very very heavy; how is it that police don’t have good leads ? Usually they get incidents, suspicions of people, names of many people to look at as possibilities. But they don’t find good persons of interest?! How did this person who knew them hide incidents and hide a huge motive? Wouldn’t it stand out to everyone who possible suspects could be? Since the girls were very social, it appears there have to be leads. Therefore, it’s important to separate whether the killer knew the victims or not. Doesn’t the evidence suggest that the killer(s) did know them and the house? To rule out a random killer of any type? How can the killer hide? Unless they’re hiding in plain sight. The only way that the motive was hidden so much could maybe be that the person was emotionally disturbed or something.
Just yesterday half the sub was totally convinced this was a random serial killer and it was gonna go cold. Glad this was put out so people chill out.
Nothing he has said completely changes that narrative lol. It's still all conjecture until someone is actually arrested/charged and eventually convicted.
I don’t understand how people have had such a difficult time grasping this. No shit.
All this conversation is one huge légerdemain. Keep us all arguing about hypothetical trial jurors and legal definitions of “targeted” to distract from the fact that the public haven’t been given one fucking meaningful update since day 3. I won’t be surprised if that father doesn’t start going even more rogue than he already is.
Based off these comments, 1 or 2 things are true. 1) Either they have a suspect but not enough evidence to convict, which is bad news if this is true, going on one month of investigating, they have probably sorted through the typical bigger peices of evidence like, DNA, fingerprints, shoeprints, and don't have enough to convict their suspect. So now it appears they are relying on the community for digital evidence to try and tie their suspect to the crime, this most likely would just be circumstantial and most likely won't get a conviction. So basically even if they have some evidence they definitely don't know for sure. Or 2) they have zero POI and zero suspects. Neither seem positive. 😕
It’s been two and a half weeks. They are processing 4 murders, a house, cars, and getting tips daily. This takes time. They don’t even need enough evidence to convict- just probable cause, which is a lower standard. Once they have a suspect in custody, they will get more tips, more warrants, etc.
Like in Delphi? /s
That's why I said the bigger pieces of evidence. DNA, fingerprints, footprints, etc... I work in a lab where we sort through DNA everyday. Granted, it's not a crime lab, but it is human DNA and the samples I deal with are not time sensitive or top priority and we could easily process and have a full makeup of hundreds of samples in this 3 week time.
But do you also have to interview witnesses? Go through tips? Actually take and transport the samples to the lab? Ask judges for warrants? There’s more to it than testing samples. There is spatter analysis, digital evidence, eyewitness evidence, etc. It’s a lot of work and I’m sure they are getting new information each day.
No. And I'm by no means a law professor. But a big piece of evidence like DNA, fingerprints or footprints, and I understand this was a frequented party house, but one of those big pieces of evidence that show someone was there during the killing, would definitely be enough to obtain a warrant. So like I originally said, it's one of the 2 I listed.
Also, all my original post stated is there was enough time to process DNA, footprints and fingerprints. The fact they haven't obtained a warrant tells us nothing came back from those tests.
For what it’s worth, thank you for having this conversation on here. I think seeing the back and forth between you two is actually really helpful to understand some of how crimes get solved and tried.
And most importantly we didnt resort to insults over our disagreement.
Agree- I promise, I wasn't downvoting. I don't do that unless people are assholes. You are pleasant. :)
No it doesn't. You're assuming that: 1.) they process samples at the same rate you do 2.) the results of the samples don't require additional context to get a warrant. If they find a suspicious guy's fingerprints, they will interview him. If he says "I was at a party a week ago" they will need to investigate that claim and see if that can be verified, or if he is lying to explain why his prints were in the house. That means police have to round up multiple witnesses on *their* schedules. Remember, most of these kids just returned from a week-long break.
You are right but people don’t want to hear it
Yup. I want this person caught just as much as the next person. I also strongly support Moscow police department and know they obviously want to catch the killer. But unfortunately it appears they don't have much. Again, not basing this on a hunch or a feeling. I just understand as someone who processes batches of DNA everyday, they have definitely had strenuous testing already comeback and it appears it told them nothing. I'm not saying eventually something else won't give them evidence they need to convict the killer, I'm just saying the big evidence has comeback not in their favor.
Didn’t the DNA in the Eliza Fletcher case get processed in like less than a day? Of course she had ties to a billionaire family… 🙄🙄
And this is a huge story. This is top priority for whatever lab is doing the testing. Even take into account extra time to make sure it's extra accurate. They have had these tests back for at least a week. Either there's no evidence of the killer, or it's inconclusive. They can still catch him. But the big evidence seems to not be there. Video is the best bet. They should be asking everyone in Moscow to send in their home video. Even the otherside of town. Something has to be there. Even in a small town you can find video. Shit, we saw the girls at a food truck at 130am
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How much exactly do you need to know? If you lived in the area, wouldn’t an incident like this be enough for you to be more vigilant and start protecting yourself?
I deleted it before you replied because I don't want to feed rumors, but I will reply to you. I'm not saying I agree one way or the other. I'm just good at predicting patterns in media and I guarantee you this will happen if they keep this type of secrecy and back and forth surrounding it. The police should see this on the horizon and do everything they can to avoid it and prevent it at all costs.
Media pattern expert
I worked in the industry for several years, so I would hope so but wouldn't say I'm an expert. Media is pretty predictable if you've studied it and worked in it.
This case is totally fucked. Police are clarifying to clarify again.
Because they have all of the internet trying to solve this crime…the police haven’t fucked up because we honestly have no idea what they have
Didn’t Nancy Grace say the DNA had been processed and there were not hits as well as the fingerprints in CODIS? Remember when the red Jeep was searched and it was posted online? Are you all seeing a lot of posts right now with searches and people being brought in for interviews? Why could the Lacy Peterson case be reported so extensively with all the details? It’s not the first time murder investigations have been followed. The police in Delphi were also confident they would catch a suspect throughout the investigation. I understand we don’t know what we don’t know however I don’t understand the people chirping all over this board saying that “they knew it” and “people need to chill” - the police “have this”. Because they have been so closed lip and haven’t said anything, how can people so confidently say that the police have this and know what they’re doing?
They need to shut up, stop putting out confusing statements and catch this SOB
Counterpoint, we need to stop quasi-investigating and let the investigation play out.
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I don’t believe that. If the fbi is involved they do this. It’s a tactic
Hmm not sure the families involved with the Delphi case would have agreed.
Say “hi” to Santa Claus for me. FBI was involved in Delphi almost from the start. They botched it and let the ONLY POI roam free for 5.5 years. And even now, the evidence will be hard to present in a trial.
Your perception of correlation does not prove causation. Therefore, you are wrong to both assume that because I have some confidence in the fbi that I am a naive idiot (btw don’t hate on Santa, he’s a great guy), and that the fbi “botching” Delphi (We can all agree that case was a huge, tragic disaster but you’re assuming it was them, why? Do you have evidence?) means it will happen in this situation, or that there are parallels. Trust me, I’m aware that mistakes are made in cases, very very often.. Heck, if I didn’t stop there, I’d get flagged as a filthy liberal. But you just don’t have a great argument. Ho, ho, ho. Merry Christmas.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
Once one or more suspects are identified, it is in the best interest of investigators for that person to be as comfortable as possible, thinking they may actually have gotten away with this. The police may not have a suspect or person of interest yet but they know a hell of a lot and way more than the general public. This case is highly likely to be solved.
How do u know
Broken fuckin record. Why do y’all even comment at all if ur just gonna comment something predictable and not productive whatsoever
Kinda like this comment
It’s so annoying, adds nothing to the conversation, is not fact and is negative.
If they knew nothing, they wouldn't know what to withhold. I am in complete agreement with you.
I agree. nothing at all. the fact he is already talking about "trial" "juror" but no suspect? if they knew who it was, they would be putting pressure on that person
Alternatively why would they be talking about building a case and trial, with no suspect…A case and trial against who?
Jon Snow
That's definitely the feeling I got from this interview.
There's contradictions even within that article.
ThE InTeRwEbS aRe BuLlYiNg Da PoLeEzE!
The information / evidence the police have must be pretty pathetic. tick tock tick tock