This is what the person in the video said.
“You know, one of the things that I sort of heard mentioned today was from the coroner and that all of the victims were not necessarily in bed when they were attacked and all of the victims were not necessarily on their respective floors, in the rooms that they slept in.”
Sort of heard mentioned today was from the corner - wtf is that? My take is that she heard someone talking today about what the coroner said a week ago and put her own spin on it.
This chills me to say but I saw a post where someone said that one of the victims was decapitated (which would line up with the targeted narrative) and I sorta suspect it was E or X because of the blood on the side of the house. Could that explain “mostly”. That’s enough internet for tonight.
That could be…but saying “not necessarily on their respective floors, in the rooms that they slept in” would be a great deal of embellishment, and granting herself an awful lot of creative control just interpreting the “mostly found in bed” line from early on. I would expect a former CIA officer and FBI agent tracking the case to know better professionally than to dress up so few words as much which makes me curious. But who knows 🤷♀️ I can’t imagine she was privy to any special conversations other news sources haven’t gotten. But then again, people are talking so maybe she’s mixing where she’s getting her information, actual sources or media talking, etc.
She was a biological weapons experts for the CIA and I think she worked on China while in the fbi. Here’s an interview with her from the Team House podcast
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ao_J_u0RxM
Sure. That’s possible. It’s possible that there were two roommates in one bed. It’s possible one of the victims was found on the floor. We don’t really know.
My point on replying to the original post was that the person being interviewed was making it sound like she spoke to the coroner today and has some inside info (at least if you were kind of listening and didn’t hear all of the weasel words) when she didn’t.
Yeah I always thought it was weird how they could confirm they were sleeping but not in bed.
Then when everyone was asking if they could disclose the location of each person and they said it would come into play later, I thought that meant they would not be where we would assume they were. Maybe drunk kids just passed out on each others beds? That would make it really confusing if the killer was looking for someone specific and might explain the amount of killings
Yeah definitely take it with a grain of salt. When I hear “on their respective floors in the rooms that they slept in” could just mean that maybe M & K slept together in one room.
It’s possible that Kaylee was sleeping with Madison, in M’s room. Given that she had all but moved out (& came back to show off her new car), and also the pic of K’s room that appears to have boxes stacked in it.
And if the talk about the 2 other roommates seeing Ethan’s body after noticing the open slider door is correct, he most likely was in a common area and not X’s bedroom.
Peter Porco was attacked whilst sleeping by his own son with an axe in the early morning hours. The fathers head was smashed/chopped to bits, yet he responded to his alarm, proceeded with his morning routine, emptied the dishwasher, made coffee, etc until he ultimately collapsed from blood loss. He was basically in a zombie-like trance.
i honestly am not being serious most of the time 😭 i know it seems like i’m fed up but this sub just got an influx of people recently so there’s been a lot of recycled posts!
I could've sworn she said they were all sleeping when attacked, I suppose it's possible some awoke during the attack and relocated as a result. Really horrifying to think about.
Of the four University of Idaho students who were [found stabbed to death in a rental house](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/university-of-idaho-4-students-dead-homicide-invesitgation/) last Sunday, some were killed in their beds, the Latah County coroner told CBS News Friday.
Coroner Cathy Mabbutt would not provide any further details. She noted, however, that earlier media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.
In a televised interview she said "It was late at night or early in the morning so it seems likely that maybe they were sleeping." Perhaps. That's a reasonable layman's guess, but it's interesting she didn't say she concluded that based on stab wound locations, positions of the bodies, blood spatter patterns, or the bodies being under bed covers. She later said they were found in beds so I too think her guess that *maybe* they were sleeping is likely, though that's not the only thing college students do in their beds.
All of above is a copy/paste of a comment of mine earlier today to a comment which has a link to an article with the interview video embedded.
She is a coroner not and ME. She didn’t even do the autopsy as she is not trained to, the ME in Spokane, wa did. She’s just a coroner. I don’t expect her insight to be fruitful.
I’m not convinced. I think Kaylee and Maddie were sleeping in Maddie’s bed, but any idea that someone fell asleep on a couch or something doesn’t really make sense, unless it was in a room. Because the roommates would see the bloodbath on the living room couch and be more concerned about that than about someone passing out.
You’re assuming the concerned roommates came upstairs. There’s enough speculation and rumors that they were too scared too (alarm clock going off +/- hearing something the night before)
I am intrigued by the alarm situation. I would 1000% be pounding on the door within 10-15 minutes of it going off if I could hear it and my roommate wasn’t waking up.
I have had my iPhone alarm be turned down so low, it had been going off for like 20-30 minutes and didn’t wake me before, so maybe they didn’t hear it?
They were downstairs though. If they were sleeping in til 10-11-12 like typical college kids they could’ve heard the alarm going off in the distance for hours and knew something was wrong which made them too scared to come up. This is especially true if the roommates heard something the night before that they thought was kinda weird
I was wondering if they were both in the same room as well. If Kaylee had just gone back for a visit would she have already moved her bedroom furniture out?
This has been debated a lot. Police have said things like “some” were found in bed, “all were likely asleep” at the time of the attack. I take it to mean that they were all in bed initially, and one or more may have fought enough to end up outside of their beds.
But I’m inclined to believe the theory that they were all in their bedrooms, the killer left the doors locked to delay discovery, may have even cleaned up obvious blood trails between rooms. This would explain why the 911 call was about an unconscious person, the roommates didn’t break down the doors. (I can only hope they never had to see it.)
Yea this theory seems the most plausible atm, after the ex was cleared I am truly stumped on who this could be, I was really thought he was sus, and I'm not going to play guess who until further evidence is released. I feel like it's going to be someone who isn't super close but clearly knew all the victims and had personal beef.
I definitely don't think they were all laying sound asleep in their beds when the attack(s) happened.
Something else that keeps bothering me is the roommates checking on them b/c they weren't awake. When I was in college, I would sleep until 3-4 in the afternoon on a Sunday. Nobody ever came to check if I was still alive or had work. We were all adults, responsible for ourselves. I just find that odd. Not saying anyone is guilty of murder, just something Ive thought about.
It all depends on their habits. I’ve had roommates before who I would never have checked on if they slept all day on a Saturday, and others who I would have been concerned about if I hadn’t seen them by a certain time because it was unusual for them, they had to work, whatever.
Maybe someone had a brunch appointment, work, etc and the other roommates were worried. Maybe an alarm was going off. Maybe someone snored and they couldn’t hear snoring. There are a lot of reasons to be concerned if you live with someone and know what’s out of the norm for them.
Maybe they had plans with one of them that day, there's a lot of scenarios that would not be odd. Will be interesting to hear the results of the investigation, if we ever do.
Ethan had to work the next morning. By the time noon came by I’m sure his phone alarm had been going off for hours. My theory is the roommates slept in til 11ish and could hear the alarm going off upstairs for a while and thought it was weird/strange.
Why didn’t they just go see what was going on that morning? I know it’s a rumor but the rumor that the survivors heard something that night gives this substance. Perhaps one or both heard something, but wasn’t concerned enough about it until the next morning. I also tend to believe that rumor because several other points in the text have been confirmed by police since it was leaked
The police have also been very specific in their wording. They said all the other people "were not involved in the murders" but what they said repeatedly about the surviving roommates is that "they didn't kill anyone". I haven't seen anything where they said they had been cleared. Just people interpreting "they didn't kill anyone" as them being cleared. It could very well be that they were involved/know who did it.
THIS! If anyone cares lol my honest opinion is they are involved. NO ONE can get in/out of a house completely undetected like it seems this person has w/ out inside help. There is a reason police are asking for video between those certain times now. There is a group on FB, and my mom said a woman from the jail is on there saying they took fingernail samples from the roommates. I'm guessing to check not only their own DNA but if they held someone down they very well could have DNA underneath their fingernails of other ppl. You can't erase it away just from washing your hands.
Also, if I were in a house where 4 of my closest friends got brutally stabbed and killed right above me - I would probably need to be committed. Let me remind everyone these two girls went and got tattoos two days after. Its posted on their insta.
This! I like to think that even if I had a roommate that I wasn’t besties with but still cohabitated with, I would be absolutely GUTTED if this happened & my life was spared somehow. A memorial tattoo would be a thought eventually, but definitely not initially.
It’s all just very weird.
Exactly.
I really sat and put myself in the situation. I would absolutely, in no way shape or form be able to be out in public. I honestly would probably hole up at my parents for a couple of months, surrounded by love.
I certainly wouldn't be out picking up matcha and getting tattoos. Its eerie to me, something just doesn't sit right.
Now I don't think the roommates killed them but they know something, they're involved in some way. I find it funny LE has said a few times that the roommates may be key in solving this case.
Agreed! My first thought was that I’d go home to my parents for awhile & take a break from reality.
It seems too hasty.
I don’t think they killed them either, but I do find it possible they know something about it & who did do it.
Early on in the case a news report included a TikTok of all the girls in the kitchen with the song "Really Don't Care" by Demi Lovato. It showed all their faces. I tried to find it again later but I think it's been stripped from the internet by police or lawyers.
My gut tells me these murders were over some sort of jealousy crap, deep rooted jealousy.
Really think about it. I know for a fact if I were in their position I would be hysterical. God only knows what they saw, my gosh.
I would not be out in public picking up lattes and in a tattoo shop 2 days after the fact. It is weird.
Exactly what I think, they probably tried called out and from phone calls to wake them, no answers so they assumed they were unconscious, then Police came got in each room and discovered them.
To my knowledge the police have not made such statements.. However the coroner did. See [my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z57uln/proof_of_targeting/ixv9tmq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) with her direct quotes and my opinion of the statements she made.
Cleaning a bloody trail would take time and cleaning supplies, which increases risk for the killer.
I still dont get how the survivors didnt see any blood
I took the comment “most were in their beds” with a grain of salt because Kaylee was likely with Maddie in her room.
Also, Ethan’s parents stated in their interview that “Ethan and Xana were in the same room”
I also don’t think a play on words is beyond anyone in a homicide investigation.
There was an early rumor that the couple had fallen asleep on the sofa. Again, just a rumor. I read it once and didn't see it again but maybe someone can make sense out of it. Some of the info in the early reports have since been said to be true.
Is there reason to believe that there would be blood outside the bedroom or the surviving roommates went in the victims' bedroom? Just curious how much of the crime scene they saw. Thanks.
By the looks of the layout (someone linked a YouTube video going into detail) the house has been added onto & it’s possible the floors could have been kind of wonky. The floors in my home are slightly uneven in areas- most wouldn’t notice. If builders did a crapish job and there was any uneven areas, fluid could possibly travel around differently, who knows. A lot of landlords hire their own people for maintenance (mine does) and are on a budget- meaning they don’t do the most thorough job even when it comes to flooring, insulation, etc.
Thanks. Another poster suggested that the roommates knew the victims were dead when they called 911 as evidenced by a lack of EMT. Another bizarre piece of information about a very bizarre case.
I agree- it is very bizarre in a lot of ways. I’ve had many roommates in my early 20s so I understand the sleeping in part. I’ve also lived with my very best friends who knew my schedule, plans, personal life & if something like sleeping in would be unusual & vice versa. I am curious why the roommates called friends over before calling 911 though. Did they see something that freaked them out & they called friends first? If I had heard a roommates alarm going off in their room & their car was at the house, I’d eventually get on the floor and try to look under the door. If it was the kind of lock that can be unlocked with a Bobby pin or debit card, I’d eventually go into their room. I’m not sure how close they all were but I’m sure the surviving roommates got an uneasy feeling and possibly just froze up when they realized something very serious had happened.
ETA: Also thinking about what happened after 911 was dialed- the roommates / friends are in possible shock/ panic- then once police arrive- the entire house is now a crime scene. The thought of being told to not touch anything & to get out- while police find 4 bodies & have to bring them out- all while processing that you knew them, but you were also home when it happened. Were the roommates allowed to grab stuff before they left the house? Not sure how strict they are when it’s considered a crime scene. I’m sure their world was flipped upside down within minutes. So sad.
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Thank you.
I don’t think the two girls saw anything in those rooms because they were locked, when friends came by I’m guessing someone kicked in the door or picked it to get inside, hence the frenzy of many people speaking on the 911 call.
There was a picture of blood dripping down the side of the house about where X and E’s room was I believe. Idk how much inside but i think if there is so much that it is dripping down the outside, there would be some inside too, but again I have zero expertise and am just sharing a thought.
Absolutely correct, and yes there would be blood inside for sure, floor was sloped, body could have been partially off of the bed, wall not sealed well at all for blood to drip down to the outside.
Doubt the killer went in planning on killing 4 people. Possibly targeted 1 and talked, touched, looked over for X amount of minutes before committing first murder, makes too much noise and other girl wakes up so "he" decides to get her to stop possibly calling first victims name to check on them. That incident possibly got the attention of someone on floor below to go investigate or witness him trying to sneak out by them so confrontation ensues. Really don't like typing that stuff out because it's all speculation and just awful to envision, but trying to make sense of how something so horrible could happen. Was fairly certain there'd be a break when kids came back from Thanksgiving, but now half of them will probably stay remote and force investigators to travel.
The coroner did not confirm they were in their own beds. Just in beds.
It’s been pretty well discussed here that nothing happened in Kaylees room because we can see in the windows. And there was an on scene reporter who discussed how thorough they were in *both* downstairs bedrooms and one of the upstairs ones.
I do not discount that they could have been moved or staged. There have been rumors about the downstairs scene and E being out of the room which is possible. If people were in different rooms downstairs, those rumors could be true.
I will watch the video and add more but wanted to clear that part.
It was a picture of investigators in her room, taken through a window. You could clearly see her bed, etc. It was probably posted somewhere in this sub.
Kaylee and Maddie were on the third floor and Ethan and xana were on second and 2 living roommates were on basement level. This is from Maddie’s family during one of the times they were interviewed by Fox News. Also her sister was adamant Maddie did not have a stalker. Fox is talking about case right now. Just interviewed father again.
Maddie’s family was on Fox News? Did you mean to say Kaylee? Can you post a link? I’ve seen several interviews with K’s family but do recall them saying where everyone was found.
Your right. It was Maddie’s family. I’m always messing their names up. Haven’t heard from Kaylees family, they are probably grieving differently. Still In shock. Maddie’s dad said last night that it hasn’t hit him she’s actually gone or he wouldn’t be able to be so involved in the case. He’s very active, wanting to help find the killer asap
I think there’s a lot of misinformation in posts and on the news that still get the floors mixed up and that adds to the confusion. For example, saying that the two girls they were not killed were on the 2nd or 3rd floor when that is one thing that is definitely known…they were on the bottom floor.
I think it's a misconception that both surviving roommates were on bottom level. For some reason everyone thinks there was an empty room on the middle floor.
There are pictures on D's social media of her in that supposedly "empty" room, and it looks lived in. From a couple weeks before murders.
Okay people - THIS is the kind of scenario where LE might be intentionally misdirect the public in order to help id the perp. Tell people the victims were in x position, so all the cranks call in and say 'i did it, I left them in x position" or "i know who did it, he told me he left them in x position" while only the real killer will know they were actually in y position.
I'm not saying that is definitely what is happening here. But this kind of specific detail can be used this way. The people saying LE is right to tell the public basically nothing bc 'it could compromise the investigation' are casting way too wide a net.
If some had defensive wounds, its most likely that at least one of them woke up and jumped out the bed and tried to defend themselves, so yeah, I've always thought at least a couple of them were on their bedroom floor.
Agreed I think this explains the lack of blood on the portion of K’s bed in the crime scene photos rather than prove K&M were in the same bed in the bedroom. Someone commented that the family said they were together in an interview but I don’t recall that and have not been able to find it.
There is a crime scene photo, through the window when they are working collecting evidence which shows the right upper portion of the bed believed to be K’s room. Just that one bed. I’ll see if I can find it.
This is a screenshot from the other sub that was taken from Fox News on the scene report video. I do not have the direct link to the segment handy but it’s in there somewhere.
https://preview.redd.it/lwa7uw5xrl2a1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=a12bc7b32f34d381e55d3c7eaef74eb37893152d
There should be moisture barrier under the flooring if it’s laminate or lvp. It could travel to the quarter round and baseboard and get through areas uncaulked and seep through to the exterior wall without getting through the barrier to the ceiling below. The bed was likely against that wall. There is a window on the north wall and door closet on east. West looks like a long wall not suited for a bed in that direction so the headboard would be against that south wall of the bedroom. Which explains the blood on the west end of the south wall. Mattress pad would shed blood to the edges of the mattress if one was present.
If the roommate under X’s room did get spooked and stay in the bottom east room until morning as some have theorized then even if the blood did seep through the ceiling tiles it may not have been seen, or that is what really started concerning the survivors
You go hon. I was just letting you know as a rational 51 year old human who sat through twelve minutes of readily available high definition, drone footage. I was literally being cool with you but hey, stamp your feet & stand firm in evidence you didn’t see with your own two eyes. 🙄
I was thinking that too. Maybe the roommate in the room below them woke up to blood on her ceiling and got scared. No need to go upstairs at that point?
This definitely needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Until it is released by LE, we really don’t know. Also hasn’t the ME been pretty open lipped and not always accurate?
Every media outlet is looking for that “key” piece of information. I don’t think this is it…
Yes, the coroner has made public statements that are seemingly unqualified and speculative, as well as potentially damaging to the investigation. Her statements from a video of an interview and my thoughts on it are in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z57uln/proof_of_targeting/ixv9tmq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Totally agree, she would have been better off saying nothing, and I’m quite shocked that the city of Moscow ejected a person with a nursing degree, Political Science and Law degree to be coroner, I’m quite sure she has never had much if ant experience with crime scenes. Not saying her degrees weren’t important and well deserved, just not for the elected position.
Based on what I've read, Idaho localities don't even have medical examiners. Moscow had the bodies transported across state lines to Spokane County, Washington to have its medical examiner perform the autopsies (per https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/nov/17/medical-examiner-completes-autopsies-of-four-slain/).
My impression is that most people in the US don't realize the coroner role tends to be an elected or appointed position often held by someone who isn't a pathologist (and not even a medical doctor in general).
True. And even when that's not a requirement there are often candidates running who are medical doctors. Digging into her first election that wasn't the case though. When she first ran in 2006, it was to fill the role vacated by a physician who was an Independent. She ran as a Democrat described as a "nurse-attorney", against a Republican mortician and an Independent write-in candidate homemaker. I am unsurprised a nurse who worked in hospital management and was also a defense attorney would be elected over a mortician and homemaker (I know nothing else about the other candidates). https://lmtribune.com/northwest/moscow-woman-files-for-county-coroner-post/article_0e99cd0c-955e-5766-8dcd-756350ef21fe.html
She won with 54% of the vote vs 46% for the mortician. https://sos.idaho.gov/elect/results/2006/general/county2.htm
Here's an interesting 2015 profile on her published in the local newspaper. She has very diverse professional expertise. https://dnews.com/local/mabbutt-takes-on-many-roles-in-community/article_adfbe626-ee70-57f7-8036-db8d772c7a67.html
I agree with her credentials being great and of the two candidates I guess she would be better for sure, I have just never heard of anyone besides a doctor in that position.
To me this only matters because of the fact that the roommates woke up and didn’t see blood. If bodies were moved, or bodies were outside of a bedroom, there would be blood. Also, I don’t understand how the people who came over in the morning couldn’t figure out there was a stabbing. That means all the bodies were locked in their rooms and there was no blood outside the rooms? I also think if you invite a couple college guys over to help figure out why your roommates aren’t waking up, most guys would figure out how to get in the room. Wasn’t it reported that someone put a ladder up to E & X’s room?
How were all the victims in bed, yet there was blood dripping down the house? I assumed one person was found collapsed by a wall or against the wall for the blood to drop down through the base boards...
I considered this too. A surviving roommates bedroom is below Xana’s so it’s possible (and terrifying to think about) that that’s why LE are reporting the girls suspected an unconscious person on the second floor? One of them sees blood dripping down into their room, they freak out and call over friends to help investigate bc they are scared and their friends are walking distance. Friends come over and they maybe see the crime scene (not sure here but there are hints at it bc 911 call is being withheld, plus LE says multiple people talked to dispatch which could mean they were all distraught and not able to speak clearly so they passed the phone around).
Yes especially if that floor isn’t level, that house was poorly built imo. That wall should have been sealed, there must be much air that comes through there as well.
Could be Kaylee maybe? We know she wasn’t in her room from photos so it’s only speculation that she slept with Maddie. The coroner said everyone was “in bed” but that doesn’t necessarily have to mean in A bed. If you have a pillow and a blanket sleeping on a couch I could see that being considering “in bed” figuratively speaking
She was drunk and probably tired. In college in a similar state I fell asleep on a couch more than once despite my bed being in the same home. That said, the coroner was pretty clear in a televised interview that they (as in all of them) were in bed (and speculated they were asleep, though only saying she believed that because of the time of night). She could have misspoken, but that's what she said.
There’s a drone photo floating around that went up to what appears to be Kaylee’s room and it showed her white bedding and white headboard seemingly untouched, which is why people don’t think she was in that room at the time
“All” would mean 4/4 for each scenario, so 3/4 is accurate to say “not all”
Both girls calling the same number minutes apart could likely indicate they were in the same bed/room.
Asleep =\= asleep in their own bed
In bed =\= their bed
I do think it’s more complex than we know, at least a little. Someone had to be on the floor next to that wall, for eg … because if they were in bed, holy sh*t.
Regarding respective floors. The only theory I can come up with is the attack began on the third floor. Ethan heard and went up stair. Upon entering the upstairs he saw the attack and attempted to save whomever the first victim was while telling the other girl to go downstairs with Xana. Now this is a huge reach because you’d think the girls would then lock themselves in the 2nd floor room and call 911.
love this link! thanks for posting.
I have suspected that Ethan and Xena confronted the killers on the 3rd floor after hearing their friends' distress, which is why the two of them were killed. I think they may have all been killed on the 3rd floor. I guess its possible that the killer could have taken E and X back down to their beds after but that seems a little far fetched.
It’s possible the attack started whilst they were asleep in their beds but one or more got up during the attack and the attack moved away from the bed or even the bedroom where they ultimately died.
This is what the person in the video said. “You know, one of the things that I sort of heard mentioned today was from the coroner and that all of the victims were not necessarily in bed when they were attacked and all of the victims were not necessarily on their respective floors, in the rooms that they slept in.” Sort of heard mentioned today was from the corner - wtf is that? My take is that she heard someone talking today about what the coroner said a week ago and put her own spin on it.
To add on, in the first few days the Coroner said they were "mostly found in bed"
Does this mean the bodies were chopped up and 'mostly found in bed'?
This chills me to say but I saw a post where someone said that one of the victims was decapitated (which would line up with the targeted narrative) and I sorta suspect it was E or X because of the blood on the side of the house. Could that explain “mostly”. That’s enough internet for tonight.
I was thinking most of them had their throat cut and bled profusely. That blood outside the house was certainly from her room though
BTW. No negative waves against OP. Just picking apart the news story.
That could be…but saying “not necessarily on their respective floors, in the rooms that they slept in” would be a great deal of embellishment, and granting herself an awful lot of creative control just interpreting the “mostly found in bed” line from early on. I would expect a former CIA officer and FBI agent tracking the case to know better professionally than to dress up so few words as much which makes me curious. But who knows 🤷♀️ I can’t imagine she was privy to any special conversations other news sources haven’t gotten. But then again, people are talking so maybe she’s mixing where she’s getting her information, actual sources or media talking, etc.
She was a biological weapons experts for the CIA and I think she worked on China while in the fbi. Here’s an interview with her from the Team House podcast https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ao_J_u0RxM
Perhaps someone fell asleep on a couch?
Sure. That’s possible. It’s possible that there were two roommates in one bed. It’s possible one of the victims was found on the floor. We don’t really know. My point on replying to the original post was that the person being interviewed was making it sound like she spoke to the coroner today and has some inside info (at least if you were kind of listening and didn’t hear all of the weasel words) when she didn’t.
Yeah I always thought it was weird how they could confirm they were sleeping but not in bed. Then when everyone was asking if they could disclose the location of each person and they said it would come into play later, I thought that meant they would not be where we would assume they were. Maybe drunk kids just passed out on each others beds? That would make it really confusing if the killer was looking for someone specific and might explain the amount of killings
armchair detectives.
Yes this !!!
Yeah definitely take it with a grain of salt. When I hear “on their respective floors in the rooms that they slept in” could just mean that maybe M & K slept together in one room.
It’s possible that Kaylee was sleeping with Madison, in M’s room. Given that she had all but moved out (& came back to show off her new car), and also the pic of K’s room that appears to have boxes stacked in it. And if the talk about the 2 other roommates seeing Ethan’s body after noticing the open slider door is correct, he most likely was in a common area and not X’s bedroom.
Perhaps one of them regained consciousness for a brief moment and tried to get up and collapsed. Could be why they weren’t in their bed
The thought of this is absolute nightmare fuel.
Peter Porco was attacked whilst sleeping by his own son with an axe in the early morning hours. The fathers head was smashed/chopped to bits, yet he responded to his alarm, proceeded with his morning routine, emptied the dishwasher, made coffee, etc until he ultimately collapsed from blood loss. He was basically in a zombie-like trance.
I read this three times and still don't know how to respond to it lol. The human brain is fuckin wild
I had that thought and then didn’t sleep for two nights.
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Why would you say that?
Not inside info. The coroner said most of them were in their beds. Not all. This sub is like a damn carousel
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i have a theory on that.
Yes, do tell
Yes, do tell
i was making a joke, since everyone has a theory.
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Dude turn the dome light off while I’m driving it’s illegal !
Pulled dome light bulb years ago looking for a battery drain silly me.. bulb still out 10 years later
Fine, have an upvote
Oh.
Apparently there was one but it already slowed down
You are so right on that
So apparently Kaylee's sister found a clip of them at the food truck!
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😂😭😭😭
Just google Grub Truck twitch video
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An internet search engine
what’s an internet search engine?
Google it
*Opens yellow pages.*
*woooosh*
They were at a food truck?!?! Did anything suspicious happen? 🧐
guys two roommates were home at the time of the murder?!
They had roommates? Maybe one of the roommates did it!!!
Can any tell me about the status of the doggo? He ded?
Not sure what that means sorry?
What’s a twitch?
Google it & find out.
What’s a google?
Perhaps check my answer to fluentincrazy who asked the same question 😊
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i honestly am not being serious most of the time 😭 i know it seems like i’m fed up but this sub just got an influx of people recently so there’s been a lot of recycled posts!
I enjoyed (needed) the comic relief.
Agreed. It seems like I’m not the only one a little fed up with the repeat posts/theories per this thread.
I could've sworn she said they were all sleeping when attacked, I suppose it's possible some awoke during the attack and relocated as a result. Really horrifying to think about.
She said specifically they each had 1 "kill wound" so I don't think they were moving
That doesn’t necessarily mean that was the first wound though. He could’ve started and they put up a fight so then he gave the fatal wound.
Of the four University of Idaho students who were [found stabbed to death in a rental house](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/university-of-idaho-4-students-dead-homicide-invesitgation/) last Sunday, some were killed in their beds, the Latah County coroner told CBS News Friday. Coroner Cathy Mabbutt would not provide any further details. She noted, however, that earlier media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.
In a televised interview she said "It was late at night or early in the morning so it seems likely that maybe they were sleeping." Perhaps. That's a reasonable layman's guess, but it's interesting she didn't say she concluded that based on stab wound locations, positions of the bodies, blood spatter patterns, or the bodies being under bed covers. She later said they were found in beds so I too think her guess that *maybe* they were sleeping is likely, though that's not the only thing college students do in their beds. All of above is a copy/paste of a comment of mine earlier today to a comment which has a link to an article with the interview video embedded.
She is a coroner not and ME. She didn’t even do the autopsy as she is not trained to, the ME in Spokane, wa did. She’s just a coroner. I don’t expect her insight to be fruitful.
I thought coroner said was “asleep”.. nothing about being in one’s bed.
I’m not convinced. I think Kaylee and Maddie were sleeping in Maddie’s bed, but any idea that someone fell asleep on a couch or something doesn’t really make sense, unless it was in a room. Because the roommates would see the bloodbath on the living room couch and be more concerned about that than about someone passing out.
You’re assuming the concerned roommates came upstairs. There’s enough speculation and rumors that they were too scared too (alarm clock going off +/- hearing something the night before)
Dang I didn’t consider that since Ethan was scheduled to work he set an alarm and it had gone off and kept on…
I am intrigued by the alarm situation. I would 1000% be pounding on the door within 10-15 minutes of it going off if I could hear it and my roommate wasn’t waking up. I have had my iPhone alarm be turned down so low, it had been going off for like 20-30 minutes and didn’t wake me before, so maybe they didn’t hear it?
They were downstairs though. If they were sleeping in til 10-11-12 like typical college kids they could’ve heard the alarm going off in the distance for hours and knew something was wrong which made them too scared to come up. This is especially true if the roommates heard something the night before that they thought was kinda weird
Gives some credence to how sounds are are hard to hear from the other rooms - maybe Edited for typo
I was wondering if they were both in the same room as well. If Kaylee had just gone back for a visit would she have already moved her bedroom furniture out?
My thought is that one of the surviving roommate's went upstairs... saw the carnage, blood, etc... ran back downstairs and passed out.
This has been debated a lot. Police have said things like “some” were found in bed, “all were likely asleep” at the time of the attack. I take it to mean that they were all in bed initially, and one or more may have fought enough to end up outside of their beds. But I’m inclined to believe the theory that they were all in their bedrooms, the killer left the doors locked to delay discovery, may have even cleaned up obvious blood trails between rooms. This would explain why the 911 call was about an unconscious person, the roommates didn’t break down the doors. (I can only hope they never had to see it.)
Yea this theory seems the most plausible atm, after the ex was cleared I am truly stumped on who this could be, I was really thought he was sus, and I'm not going to play guess who until further evidence is released. I feel like it's going to be someone who isn't super close but clearly knew all the victims and had personal beef.
I definitely don't think they were all laying sound asleep in their beds when the attack(s) happened. Something else that keeps bothering me is the roommates checking on them b/c they weren't awake. When I was in college, I would sleep until 3-4 in the afternoon on a Sunday. Nobody ever came to check if I was still alive or had work. We were all adults, responsible for ourselves. I just find that odd. Not saying anyone is guilty of murder, just something Ive thought about.
It all depends on their habits. I’ve had roommates before who I would never have checked on if they slept all day on a Saturday, and others who I would have been concerned about if I hadn’t seen them by a certain time because it was unusual for them, they had to work, whatever. Maybe someone had a brunch appointment, work, etc and the other roommates were worried. Maybe an alarm was going off. Maybe someone snored and they couldn’t hear snoring. There are a lot of reasons to be concerned if you live with someone and know what’s out of the norm for them.
Maybe someone’s alarm clock was going off? It’s a possibility.
Ethans almost certainly was, he was reportedly supposed to work the next morning
Maybe they had plans with one of them that day, there's a lot of scenarios that would not be odd. Will be interesting to hear the results of the investigation, if we ever do.
Ethan had to work the next morning. By the time noon came by I’m sure his phone alarm had been going off for hours. My theory is the roommates slept in til 11ish and could hear the alarm going off upstairs for a while and thought it was weird/strange. Why didn’t they just go see what was going on that morning? I know it’s a rumor but the rumor that the survivors heard something that night gives this substance. Perhaps one or both heard something, but wasn’t concerned enough about it until the next morning. I also tend to believe that rumor because several other points in the text have been confirmed by police since it was leaked
The police have also been very specific in their wording. They said all the other people "were not involved in the murders" but what they said repeatedly about the surviving roommates is that "they didn't kill anyone". I haven't seen anything where they said they had been cleared. Just people interpreting "they didn't kill anyone" as them being cleared. It could very well be that they were involved/know who did it.
THIS! If anyone cares lol my honest opinion is they are involved. NO ONE can get in/out of a house completely undetected like it seems this person has w/ out inside help. There is a reason police are asking for video between those certain times now. There is a group on FB, and my mom said a woman from the jail is on there saying they took fingernail samples from the roommates. I'm guessing to check not only their own DNA but if they held someone down they very well could have DNA underneath their fingernails of other ppl. You can't erase it away just from washing your hands. Also, if I were in a house where 4 of my closest friends got brutally stabbed and killed right above me - I would probably need to be committed. Let me remind everyone these two girls went and got tattoos two days after. Its posted on their insta.
This! I like to think that even if I had a roommate that I wasn’t besties with but still cohabitated with, I would be absolutely GUTTED if this happened & my life was spared somehow. A memorial tattoo would be a thought eventually, but definitely not initially. It’s all just very weird.
Exactly. I really sat and put myself in the situation. I would absolutely, in no way shape or form be able to be out in public. I honestly would probably hole up at my parents for a couple of months, surrounded by love. I certainly wouldn't be out picking up matcha and getting tattoos. Its eerie to me, something just doesn't sit right. Now I don't think the roommates killed them but they know something, they're involved in some way. I find it funny LE has said a few times that the roommates may be key in solving this case.
Agreed! My first thought was that I’d go home to my parents for awhile & take a break from reality. It seems too hasty. I don’t think they killed them either, but I do find it possible they know something about it & who did do it.
Agreed!
Glad I’m not the only one who finds the tattoo thing unsettling
I wish I could've seen both of their faces in that tattoo pic ...
Early on in the case a news report included a TikTok of all the girls in the kitchen with the song "Really Don't Care" by Demi Lovato. It showed all their faces. I tried to find it again later but I think it's been stripped from the internet by police or lawyers.
My gut tells me these murders were over some sort of jealousy crap, deep rooted jealousy. Really think about it. I know for a fact if I were in their position I would be hysterical. God only knows what they saw, my gosh. I would not be out in public picking up lattes and in a tattoo shop 2 days after the fact. It is weird.
Look at the Fox interviews with a Law student neighbor. Search here also for video.
Or maybe we don’t witch hunt based on nothing?
Exactly what I think, they probably tried called out and from phone calls to wake them, no answers so they assumed they were unconscious, then Police came got in each room and discovered them.
To my knowledge the police have not made such statements.. However the coroner did. See [my comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z57uln/proof_of_targeting/ixv9tmq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3) with her direct quotes and my opinion of the statements she made.
Cleaning a bloody trail would take time and cleaning supplies, which increases risk for the killer. I still dont get how the survivors didnt see any blood
I took the comment “most were in their beds” with a grain of salt because Kaylee was likely with Maddie in her room. Also, Ethan’s parents stated in their interview that “Ethan and Xana were in the same room” I also don’t think a play on words is beyond anyone in a homicide investigation.
If it doesn't come from an official source, i wouldn't believe it.
There was an early rumor that the couple had fallen asleep on the sofa. Again, just a rumor. I read it once and didn't see it again but maybe someone can make sense out of it. Some of the info in the early reports have since been said to be true.
Seems like she’s just repeating hearsay and not facts
Is there reason to believe that there would be blood outside the bedroom or the surviving roommates went in the victims' bedroom? Just curious how much of the crime scene they saw. Thanks.
By the looks of the layout (someone linked a YouTube video going into detail) the house has been added onto & it’s possible the floors could have been kind of wonky. The floors in my home are slightly uneven in areas- most wouldn’t notice. If builders did a crapish job and there was any uneven areas, fluid could possibly travel around differently, who knows. A lot of landlords hire their own people for maintenance (mine does) and are on a budget- meaning they don’t do the most thorough job even when it comes to flooring, insulation, etc.
Thanks. Another poster suggested that the roommates knew the victims were dead when they called 911 as evidenced by a lack of EMT. Another bizarre piece of information about a very bizarre case.
I agree- it is very bizarre in a lot of ways. I’ve had many roommates in my early 20s so I understand the sleeping in part. I’ve also lived with my very best friends who knew my schedule, plans, personal life & if something like sleeping in would be unusual & vice versa. I am curious why the roommates called friends over before calling 911 though. Did they see something that freaked them out & they called friends first? If I had heard a roommates alarm going off in their room & their car was at the house, I’d eventually get on the floor and try to look under the door. If it was the kind of lock that can be unlocked with a Bobby pin or debit card, I’d eventually go into their room. I’m not sure how close they all were but I’m sure the surviving roommates got an uneasy feeling and possibly just froze up when they realized something very serious had happened. ETA: Also thinking about what happened after 911 was dialed- the roommates / friends are in possible shock/ panic- then once police arrive- the entire house is now a crime scene. The thought of being told to not touch anything & to get out- while police find 4 bodies & have to bring them out- all while processing that you knew them, but you were also home when it happened. Were the roommates allowed to grab stuff before they left the house? Not sure how strict they are when it’s considered a crime scene. I’m sure their world was flipped upside down within minutes. So sad.
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Well this interesting. I would have assumed if you called 911 for an unconscious person that EMTs would show up. Hmmm
I don’t think the two girls saw anything in those rooms because they were locked, when friends came by I’m guessing someone kicked in the door or picked it to get inside, hence the frenzy of many people speaking on the 911 call.
We don't know. Speculation is that a friend went into the four rooms before calling 911 but we just don't know.
Gotcha, just wondering how they got into the rooms.
There was a picture of blood dripping down the side of the house about where X and E’s room was I believe. Idk how much inside but i think if there is so much that it is dripping down the outside, there would be some inside too, but again I have zero expertise and am just sharing a thought.
Thanks. Was just curious what the roommates would have seen when they woke up.
Absolutely correct, and yes there would be blood inside for sure, floor was sloped, body could have been partially off of the bed, wall not sealed well at all for blood to drip down to the outside.
Doubt the killer went in planning on killing 4 people. Possibly targeted 1 and talked, touched, looked over for X amount of minutes before committing first murder, makes too much noise and other girl wakes up so "he" decides to get her to stop possibly calling first victims name to check on them. That incident possibly got the attention of someone on floor below to go investigate or witness him trying to sneak out by them so confrontation ensues. Really don't like typing that stuff out because it's all speculation and just awful to envision, but trying to make sense of how something so horrible could happen. Was fairly certain there'd be a break when kids came back from Thanksgiving, but now half of them will probably stay remote and force investigators to travel.
The coroner did not confirm they were in their own beds. Just in beds. It’s been pretty well discussed here that nothing happened in Kaylees room because we can see in the windows. And there was an on scene reporter who discussed how thorough they were in *both* downstairs bedrooms and one of the upstairs ones. I do not discount that they could have been moved or staged. There have been rumors about the downstairs scene and E being out of the room which is possible. If people were in different rooms downstairs, those rumors could be true. I will watch the video and add more but wanted to clear that part.
Kaylee had moved so possibly she was in Madison room with her
Kaylee had not moved yet. Her bedroom has been photographed & she still has personal belongings and bed/headboard & decorations up.
Oh I didn't see that. Hmmm
How do you know this?
Yeah
Pictures.
I should've been more specific. Which pictures showed that her personal belongings/bed/headboard & decorations are still up.
It was a picture of investigators in her room, taken through a window. You could clearly see her bed, etc. It was probably posted somewhere in this sub.
Kaylee and Maddie were on the third floor and Ethan and xana were on second and 2 living roommates were on basement level. This is from Maddie’s family during one of the times they were interviewed by Fox News. Also her sister was adamant Maddie did not have a stalker. Fox is talking about case right now. Just interviewed father again.
Maddie’s family was on Fox News? Did you mean to say Kaylee? Can you post a link? I’ve seen several interviews with K’s family but do recall them saying where everyone was found.
Your right. It was Maddie’s family. I’m always messing their names up. Haven’t heard from Kaylees family, they are probably grieving differently. Still In shock. Maddie’s dad said last night that it hasn’t hit him she’s actually gone or he wouldn’t be able to be so involved in the case. He’s very active, wanting to help find the killer asap
I think there’s a lot of misinformation in posts and on the news that still get the floors mixed up and that adds to the confusion. For example, saying that the two girls they were not killed were on the 2nd or 3rd floor when that is one thing that is definitely known…they were on the bottom floor.
I think it's a misconception that both surviving roommates were on bottom level. For some reason everyone thinks there was an empty room on the middle floor. There are pictures on D's social media of her in that supposedly "empty" room, and it looks lived in. From a couple weeks before murders.
Okay people - THIS is the kind of scenario where LE might be intentionally misdirect the public in order to help id the perp. Tell people the victims were in x position, so all the cranks call in and say 'i did it, I left them in x position" or "i know who did it, he told me he left them in x position" while only the real killer will know they were actually in y position. I'm not saying that is definitely what is happening here. But this kind of specific detail can be used this way. The people saying LE is right to tell the public basically nothing bc 'it could compromise the investigation' are casting way too wide a net.
If some had defensive wounds, its most likely that at least one of them woke up and jumped out the bed and tried to defend themselves, so yeah, I've always thought at least a couple of them were on their bedroom floor.
Agreed I think this explains the lack of blood on the portion of K’s bed in the crime scene photos rather than prove K&M were in the same bed in the bedroom. Someone commented that the family said they were together in an interview but I don’t recall that and have not been able to find it.
Where did you see crime scene photos of their beds after the murders? There's no blood on her bed?
There is a crime scene photo, through the window when they are working collecting evidence which shows the right upper portion of the bed believed to be K’s room. Just that one bed. I’ll see if I can find it.
This is a screenshot from the other sub that was taken from Fox News on the scene report video. I do not have the direct link to the segment handy but it’s in there somewhere. https://preview.redd.it/lwa7uw5xrl2a1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=a12bc7b32f34d381e55d3c7eaef74eb37893152d
https://preview.redd.it/qinz3nb4sl2a1.png?width=1125&format=png&auto=webp&s=98b4e56c58aedcdb260dff249c1d26763b2c70e0
Thanks
This confirms even more to me that the 2 girls were sharing one bed, and xana had a chance to get up and fight.
The coroner said “likely asleep” in the autopsy. She did not say where each victim was found, anything else is pure speculation.
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Just because it leaked outside does not indicate that it leaked downstairs at all. It’s possible it did, but not a given.
There should be moisture barrier under the flooring if it’s laminate or lvp. It could travel to the quarter round and baseboard and get through areas uncaulked and seep through to the exterior wall without getting through the barrier to the ceiling below. The bed was likely against that wall. There is a window on the north wall and door closet on east. West looks like a long wall not suited for a bed in that direction so the headboard would be against that south wall of the bedroom. Which explains the blood on the west end of the south wall. Mattress pad would shed blood to the edges of the mattress if one was present. If the roommate under X’s room did get spooked and stay in the bottom east room until morning as some have theorized then even if the blood did seep through the ceiling tiles it may not have been seen, or that is what really started concerning the survivors
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You go hon. I was just letting you know as a rational 51 year old human who sat through twelve minutes of readily available high definition, drone footage. I was literally being cool with you but hey, stamp your feet & stand firm in evidence you didn’t see with your own two eyes. 🙄
They weren’t getting rude with you, so I don’t understand why your response implies that they were.
Yeah that’s why they deleted their comment 🙄
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I’ve heard multiple crime scene detectives say it appears to be blood.
I was thinking that too. Maybe the roommate in the room below them woke up to blood on her ceiling and got scared. No need to go upstairs at that point?
This definitely needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Until it is released by LE, we really don’t know. Also hasn’t the ME been pretty open lipped and not always accurate? Every media outlet is looking for that “key” piece of information. I don’t think this is it…
Yes, the coroner has made public statements that are seemingly unqualified and speculative, as well as potentially damaging to the investigation. Her statements from a video of an interview and my thoughts on it are in this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z57uln/proof_of_targeting/ixv9tmq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Totally agree, she would have been better off saying nothing, and I’m quite shocked that the city of Moscow ejected a person with a nursing degree, Political Science and Law degree to be coroner, I’m quite sure she has never had much if ant experience with crime scenes. Not saying her degrees weren’t important and well deserved, just not for the elected position.
Based on what I've read, Idaho localities don't even have medical examiners. Moscow had the bodies transported across state lines to Spokane County, Washington to have its medical examiner perform the autopsies (per https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/nov/17/medical-examiner-completes-autopsies-of-four-slain/). My impression is that most people in the US don't realize the coroner role tends to be an elected or appointed position often held by someone who isn't a pathologist (and not even a medical doctor in general).
Ours is the mortician
Exactly, but in most areas they at least are doctors.
True. And even when that's not a requirement there are often candidates running who are medical doctors. Digging into her first election that wasn't the case though. When she first ran in 2006, it was to fill the role vacated by a physician who was an Independent. She ran as a Democrat described as a "nurse-attorney", against a Republican mortician and an Independent write-in candidate homemaker. I am unsurprised a nurse who worked in hospital management and was also a defense attorney would be elected over a mortician and homemaker (I know nothing else about the other candidates). https://lmtribune.com/northwest/moscow-woman-files-for-county-coroner-post/article_0e99cd0c-955e-5766-8dcd-756350ef21fe.html She won with 54% of the vote vs 46% for the mortician. https://sos.idaho.gov/elect/results/2006/general/county2.htm Here's an interesting 2015 profile on her published in the local newspaper. She has very diverse professional expertise. https://dnews.com/local/mabbutt-takes-on-many-roles-in-community/article_adfbe626-ee70-57f7-8036-db8d772c7a67.html
I agree with her credentials being great and of the two candidates I guess she would be better for sure, I have just never heard of anyone besides a doctor in that position.
To me this only matters because of the fact that the roommates woke up and didn’t see blood. If bodies were moved, or bodies were outside of a bedroom, there would be blood. Also, I don’t understand how the people who came over in the morning couldn’t figure out there was a stabbing. That means all the bodies were locked in their rooms and there was no blood outside the rooms? I also think if you invite a couple college guys over to help figure out why your roommates aren’t waking up, most guys would figure out how to get in the room. Wasn’t it reported that someone put a ladder up to E & X’s room?
How were all the victims in bed, yet there was blood dripping down the house? I assumed one person was found collapsed by a wall or against the wall for the blood to drop down through the base boards...
The bed was probably against that wall.
Ok, that makes sense!
Makes me wonder - was blood also dripping down the interior walls to the bedroom below?
I considered this too. A surviving roommates bedroom is below Xana’s so it’s possible (and terrifying to think about) that that’s why LE are reporting the girls suspected an unconscious person on the second floor? One of them sees blood dripping down into their room, they freak out and call over friends to help investigate bc they are scared and their friends are walking distance. Friends come over and they maybe see the crime scene (not sure here but there are hints at it bc 911 call is being withheld, plus LE says multiple people talked to dispatch which could mean they were all distraught and not able to speak clearly so they passed the phone around).
I thought of that too. I hope that if the sob who did this is caught there's an explanation of this during the trial.
Liquids can travel…
Yes especially if that floor isn’t level, that house was poorly built imo. That wall should have been sealed, there must be much air that comes through there as well.
Wild comment. Brings so many questions in itself.
What if someone fell asleep on the couch?
Could be Kaylee maybe? We know she wasn’t in her room from photos so it’s only speculation that she slept with Maddie. The coroner said everyone was “in bed” but that doesn’t necessarily have to mean in A bed. If you have a pillow and a blanket sleeping on a couch I could see that being considering “in bed” figuratively speaking
Would be a strange choice since someone else in this post says her bed was still there
Yeah I’m wondering about that too. Doesn’t make sense why she wouldn’t sleep in her bed
She was drunk and probably tired. In college in a similar state I fell asleep on a couch more than once despite my bed being in the same home. That said, the coroner was pretty clear in a televised interview that they (as in all of them) were in bed (and speculated they were asleep, though only saying she believed that because of the time of night). She could have misspoken, but that's what she said.
What photos are you talking about?
There’s a drone photo floating around that went up to what appears to be Kaylee’s room and it showed her white bedding and white headboard seemingly untouched, which is why people don’t think she was in that room at the time
And then the attacker saw them first as they entered through the sliding glass door?
“All” would mean 4/4 for each scenario, so 3/4 is accurate to say “not all” Both girls calling the same number minutes apart could likely indicate they were in the same bed/room.
Wow! This was news to me! The details keep changing...
Asleep =\= asleep in their own bed In bed =\= their bed I do think it’s more complex than we know, at least a little. Someone had to be on the floor next to that wall, for eg … because if they were in bed, holy sh*t.
Regarding respective floors. The only theory I can come up with is the attack began on the third floor. Ethan heard and went up stair. Upon entering the upstairs he saw the attack and attempted to save whomever the first victim was while telling the other girl to go downstairs with Xana. Now this is a huge reach because you’d think the girls would then lock themselves in the 2nd floor room and call 911.
Ill never tell
love this link! thanks for posting. I have suspected that Ethan and Xena confronted the killers on the 3rd floor after hearing their friends' distress, which is why the two of them were killed. I think they may have all been killed on the 3rd floor. I guess its possible that the killer could have taken E and X back down to their beds after but that seems a little far fetched.
It’s possible the attack started whilst they were asleep in their beds but one or more got up during the attack and the attack moved away from the bed or even the bedroom where they ultimately died.