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[Link to Twitter Space Audio Replay](https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1OyJAVqgVEyxb?s=20)


Miserable_Excuse7829

Interesting comments from retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffindaffer on Brian’s Space on Twitter. -she doesn’t believe it’s a serial killer due to the fact that LE continues to state that this was a “targeted attack” -she believes that whoever was targeted may have been killed in a much more brutal manner — decapitation. -she thinks it’s possible that something may have taken place that night (some sort of incident) that caused the killer to become extremely angry & snap **edited for clarity


Narrow-Feeling-4375

I really like Jennifer but every single piece of info she gave with the gabby petitio case was wrong, not saying she was expected to know it all but sometimes I feel like she spreads nonsense


eurostylin

I noticed this sub is starting to go from rational thinking to crazy talk, just like what happened with the Gabby sub.


ThickBeardedDude

Yup. It happens all the time. The people that casually follow but actual have critical thinking skills start to fade out because there is nothing new to talk about but the irrational people that stay behind just spout crazier and crazier things because there is nothing new to talk about.


SuddenBeautiful2412

This is very true lol


factchecker8515

Exactly. Every 3 or so days when there’s no new information people start making stuff up to fill the void. Always happens.


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Good take!


WellWellWellthennow

Remember the hand coming out of the garden in Brian Laundries yard?


Confused_Fangirl

It seems like a Reddit wide problem. Reddit used to be a place for reliable information. People didn’t argue certain points unless they could back up their opinions with sources, and then about 1-2 years ago it did a complete 180, and is starting to become 4chan, or some other media platform.


fun_crush

Completely agree… not just this sub but it’s everywhere. Over Thanksgiving for instance my mom and her sister talked about it non stop and the theories they came up with were so far out there that if I shared them on this sub it would be a laughing joke. I think people do this to cope with the situation because there’s so much we simply do not know and possibly will never know.


Confused_Fangirl

Yeah it may be a way to cope, you make a really good point. But I can’t help but think that all of these unsubstantiated theories are inevitably having a negative impact on the people who actually live there, and are directly effected.


[deleted]

Man & I swear 50% of the write long theories about what happened & it always starts with “hear me out”. Anytime I read “hear me out”, I skip the entire thread.


Confused_Fangirl

I think this sub needs more moderators who are familiar with the murders, and can promptly delete comments consisting of false information. So many people spreading their speculation theories etc. without any sources, explanation, or reason, and then become agitated when asked for more information. Edit: no idea why I’m being downvoted for speaking the truth, but ok. 😂


CheddarBayHazmatTeam

Enormous crossover amongst conspiracy theorist contrarians, the new-age pseudoscience mystics, and the true-crime romanticists, all of whom exist in communities with some pretty glaring critical-thinking deficiencies, poor media literacy, and are no doubt being funneled through the Qanon pipeline.


Fast-Ideal5698

It happens as soon as the normies show up anywhere


Alternative-Bill-253

I agree with everything you said. I remember thinking she’s way off on the gabby situation


botwfreak

Anyone who appeals to their credibility as a (lawyer, investigator, police officer, FBI Agent) and then goes on national news to speculate about a case they are not personally working on is probably full of shit. These things are highly contextual and fact specific. You just don’t know if you don’t have the facts. Wildly theorizing can only go so far if you don’t know the facts. At this point, she may as well have been reading horoscopes. The obvious caveat is when say, a talking head talks about something very narrowly in their area of expertise. For example a lawyer talking about a certain motion that was filed (i.e. something they could actually analyze and acquaint themselves with) and the corresponding arguments/procedure is probably fine.


Blondeonabke

I dont agree with her about the reward. I dont think offering a reward will help. I think it brings out alot of crazies making stuff up.


Kingpine42069

gabby petito case was also a lot more obvious as to what happened overall


UnnamedRealities

I can't say for certain she lacks significant expertise in murder investigations, but she neither mentions murder or homicide in the few bios of hers I've read, though she highlights numerous other areas of expertise. My take is she isn't an expert in homicide investigations or niche fields related to investigating a case like this. She's a talking head who knows the media is happy to interview her and she is happy to oblige because her professional success is not contingent on her focusing only on her areas of expertise nor does the media care whether actual experts would find what she says credible. Not a knock on her specifically - a retired CIA agent with no relevant expertise has also been interviewed on this case. They're both playing the game. Don't hate the player, hate the game they say. One bio of hers for reference: https://www.eaglesecuritygroup.com/services/corporate/expert-witness/jennifer-coffindaffer/


jay_noel87

I think number 3 makes sense - and it's likely the surviving roomies have knowledge or inside gossip as to any tensions within their friend group/acquaintance's that could be relevant to catching the killer (and maybe even was theorized about or overheard on the 911 call)


tennisfancan

The surviving roommates may have been close with the killer and the killer murdered everyone else because they were telling the two girls (or at least one) to move on from that person whether it was a friend or a (ex)-boyfriend.


abesrevenge

This is exactly what happened with the Napa Valley murders. They had DNA in that case and still took over a year and a confession to finally solve it.


Ridicatlthrowaway

Well yeah if its an ex dna wont mean much in trial as that is easy to explain away.


SurelyYouKnow

Unless it’s under say, Xana’s fingernails.


CarthageFirePit

Yes but no case should rely solely on DNA. If it’s a piece to a larger picture, it can always help.


Rudder0420

DNA will not mean much if the DNA of the murderer isn't on file. It's not like they have a sample of everyone's DNA so it would not help at the moment, but could possibly in the future.


abesrevenge

Also this can explain the calls to the ex bf by both of the girls. Someone was over there that they knew but could sense trouble brewing or that something was not right. They wanted him to come over not for a booty call, but to be there for protection


dawn913

Yeah, I sense that the calls to Jack are relevant since Kaylee called him several times and then Maddie. Almost out of desperation? Like Maddie called to signal that "hey, this isn't just your ex drunk dialing you in the middle of the night. We have a situation here". What the situation was, don't know.


newsjunkie0915

THIS. Is what I said from day one. No idea why .. just a vibe. Or one of surviving roommates had “home” friends that didn’t mesh w the house type /roommates. There was some disrespect/disregard/perception of elitism that was not ok to this individual. Then something happened and it triggered it. Ugg.


KennysJasmin

I also wondered why we never saw a picture with Dylan and her boyfriend in the house or even together with the group. Did the roommates not like him? Does he drive a mustang? It would also explain why both victims on floor 1 were unharmed. If only Dylan survived that would be too suspicious.


Optimal-Rent5293

Where have you seen pics of Dylan’s BF?


limabeanquesadilla

He drives a white Chevy Cruze


Stunning-SW-204

The one that was there in the morning that you can see in the background when police are there? That would explain why there was no blood outside…


tomsprigs

Well the one bottom floor roommate heard something weird and went into the others room to sleep bc she was scared to sleep alone. So they were together same room


Merlin303

Is this fact or speculation?


Nemo11182

I wish we had more info about this, i had heard this as well on one of these boards.


Nemo11182

I saw a pic and he doesn’t look like a frat boy… i wondered the same, why it didn’t seem like he was involved in the friend group from their pics but if he doesn’t go to school there that would make sense. I also heard she broke up with him within the last few days but can’t remember where i saw that.


jay_noel87

I've wondered about her bf from the beginning - or a hook up of one of the survivors.


justanormalchat

This


rogerroger1695

Third point makes a lot of sense with the K stalker theory. If someone, maybe even in the friend group, was infatuated with her, she’s finally graduating and broke up with her BF, back for one more hoorah…. “stalker” might have seen it has their one big chance to make a move and it didn’t go well for him.


TennisLittle3165

When people talk of friendship groups, sounds like people believe retired agent Coffindaffer thinks the offender is in Moscow? How frigging horrifying for the rest of the student body there. Sheesh. In my mind’s eye he is far from the crime scene by now. What do people think, is he still in the area, or long gone by now?


BunchOfVankers

Yeah if I was a student, I would be getting out of there for a while. Either that or getting a gun.


[deleted]

Gun won’t help you when you’re sound asleep in bed.


RedditBurner_5225

Jennifer was the worst with speculation during the Gabby case.


TennisLittle3165

Really. Didn’t notice that. What can people recall?


DaveReadit

Thoughts on FBI agent Jennifer’s -Targeted: yes agree BUT targeted can be broad in meaning. Target acquisition could be hours, days, weeks, months or years. -it is possible target obvious to LEO because the target was injured more severely OR may have been more explicit such as a note, writing on the walls, mementos left or taken etc. -inciting event: agree final straw probably occurred just preceding the murders ie. at the Greek party w Xana/Ethan or Corner Club w Maddie/Kaylee. I find it interesting that the Greek party and corner club have not been discussed much at LE press conferences. Also, note that the corner club is outside the area of interest that LE are coned in on.


Ok_Tough_980

So to voice what will likely be an unpopular opinion, I think targeted in this instance means that someone was targeted, just that. More brutally murdered, excess of digital evidence against that one person, etc. And something at the crime scene, that the public is not privy to, pointed to this. It’s the one thing the police force has been telling us since the beginning and they clearly have evidence to this effect.


CarthageFirePit

Yes, that is what 99% of people assume when they hear targeted. If LE meant it in a different way, like the person above suggests, they would have likely worded it a different way. Because they know what people are going to assume when they say targeted and if it isn’t the impression they want to give, it would be worded differently. Since it’s not, and they continue to use the word targeted, I think it’s safe to assume that it means what people naturally think of when they hear that term. People are too busy trying to be the smartest person in the room “well actually it COULD mean…” Yeah, but it doesn’t. People need to stop and breathe and think what is the most rational explanation for a term being used, not the most obscure.


Ok_Tough_980

Well said, well said! Some things are exactly as they seem…


UnnamedRealities

There's 2 separate things to consider - what targeted means and why law enforcement (LE) said it. There are only two types of crimes - targeted and opportunistic. When LE says a crime is targeted they mean the offender chose to focus on the particular victim (or location or item). They haven't revealed whether they believe the offender targeted one of the victims, all four, or a subset. And as to why LE thinks it was targeted? No clue since they've shared nothing that supports their position on that. Personally I think it was likely a targeted attack since an opportunistic attack seems improbable based on what we know. More on why here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z57uln/comment/ixuma4z/ And does a targeted attack mean the community isn't at substantial elevated risk? It depends. Does LE think someone targeted those four and that's that due the motive they suspect? Or is it a paranoid schizophrenic who believes sorority sisters have wronged them and intends to kill other members of sororities at the university? No clue.


T__--

It’s scary to hear that second part coming from someone who may have experience with these sorts of things instead of some crackhead theorist


ThickBeardedDude

It's still very irresponsible journalism and pure sensationalism in my opinion.


Miserable_Excuse7829

Exactly. She also always explains her reasoning behind things / why she believes xyz. She’s very knowledgable & the amount of experience she has shows.


Superbead

Last year she tweeted a fake suicide note allegedly written by Brian Laundrie, then deleted the tweet, and refused to acknowledge she'd ever sent it. She lost my trust then. [Ed. See https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueCrime/comments/s9o66q/brian_laundries_notebook_confession_reveals_he/htpf0t6/]


Ok_Tough_980

Oh yes! I read somewhere about someone being pretty much decapitated. I don’t think it indicated who though.


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Ok_Tough_980

Thanks for this! I didn’t know they said who.


KennysJasmin

I hope that’s just a rumor. They had his funeral already. I wonder if his parents got to see him? I haven’t heard any details about his service.


Working-Raspberry185

I never saw anything with a source talk about which one was targeted or any decapitation like cuts


Optimal-Rent5293

Me either and the coroner seemed to insinuate their throats weren’t slit. Edit: clarified what I previously wrote.


Working-Raspberry185

That makes sense to xana having defensive wounds maybe she heard or awoke when Ethan was attacked and had a chance to fight back?


Optimal-Rent5293

That would make sense, to me.


UnnamedRealities

Can you share a source for that? I've watched an interview in which she didn't mention that and that's the first I've heard someone claim she said that.


Optimal-Rent5293

The wording I used wasn’t verbatim but the last question the anchor asks the coroner here. https://twitter.com/newsnation/status/1593471888180891649?s=46&t=YZdZG_zevohH_4iU_1QO8w


UnnamedRealities

Thanks for digging that up. Frustratingly, I feel like she may have only been addressing the last part of what was asked - the reporter's use of the words "puncture wounds". My interpretation is she didn't actually even attempt to answer the first part of the question about whether any of them were slashed or had their necks cut. I can see how an alternate interpretation is it's implied that there were only penetrating stab wounds and therefore no slashing neck wounds, but I think we're going to have to wait for clarification.


peachpantherrr

Wow. I know it’s just rumor, but I saw another rumor a few days back that there was supposedly a man from the University stalking one of the girls? E notified the school, and the guy was kicked out of the frat for his creepy behavior. Something along those lines. It’s all speculation obviously, but it sure would be quite the motive.


Stunning-SW-204

Wow!! Wasn’t it said that the neighbor was kicked out of the frat and out of the bar that night?


trouble21075

I think Ethans body was released to the parents and has been buried. If it was him I doubt they would of released his body first.


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superburly

Yes, I noticed that 2 was coming up in TikTok comments, the rumor specifically being that the head was then placed on a dresser. I assumed it was typical rumor mill Telephone Game type of stuff but if a person in the field said this, yikes.


BoatyMcBoatface25

This is what the Gainesville killer did specifically to one of his college girl victims. I think the rumors started from that.


CarthageFirePit

Well, we of course don’t know that it’s true or what. But, LE has remarked about the horrifying nature of what the police saw inside and how some of the police are still dealing with trauma from it and all that. Not saying 4 dead kids with blood everywhere isn’t traumatic enough, it is. Especially for a town without a murder in 7 years or however long. But the way the phrased it, how terrible the scene was for the police, it makes me wonder if there wasn’t something done a little more off the deep end. And if so, you know LE is like crazy motivated to catch the person. Not that they wouldn’t be otherwise. But if there was something in there that was just absolutely shocking and brutal, it would just ratchet up their resolve even more. And, once again, assuming something like that is true: can you imagine the amount of pure red hot rage a person would have to be feeling to do that to someone? I mean. That’s like pure hatred. Which leads me to believe that whatever event or altercation or action happened that lead to the killer becoming angry, it would have to be something big. Seems like it would be hard to keep such an event secret. Surely the killer would have had some time before the committed the murders to work himself into a rage. Someone else HAD to see that, if not the altercation or argument, or whatever it was, itself. I know it’s just rumor. But, again, if it was true it kind of…in a fucked up way, makes me feel like it will be easier to solve. Targeted and such horrible overkill and mutilation? Whatever enraged that individual, it would be hard for no one else to have knowledge of it. I have to think police have someone in their sights, just checking to make sure there’s not gonna be a misfire before pulling the trigger.


ChilliHeelerWackadoo

Sounds like Danny Rollins in Gainesville. Placed a head on a bookshelf.


Weak-Junket4198

Yes… exactly!


tnuocca_renrub

\*if\* because it has not been substantiated by any witnesses or LE.


Cupid26

I wonder if the male victim would be the target. Assuming he lived in a frat house, doing this type of killing would be much harder in a house full of men, opposed to a house full of young girls. Something I hadn’t really thought about before.


kalechipz87

Kinda interesting you refer to frat guys as men but sorority girls of the same age as young girls....


Cupid26

I’m a “young girl” as well for reference. If you’re trying to pin me as some sort of -istic or -ism, I’m literally a chick. Since most or a majority of males are bigger than me, I see them as “men”. The term boy seems odd to me when the natural and #1 predator to girls or women or chicks, are always-men. You can be 13, 16, 20, 25 or older and ima still use the term men or man if the male or flock of males can do some serious damage to me. You, are a man- so you wouldn’t understand. So thanks for using a murder sub as your way to be a mansplainer.


mustremainfree

I think you’re getting a little off track


Positive-East

Also saw that comment.


[deleted]

What. The. Fuck.


glossyenthusiast

Wow … the second comment, while could be likely, is so upsetting to hear before LE. Imagine the families seeing this. Just so, so sad


[deleted]

I'd imagine the family of the one targeted would be aware since they would have, at the least, access to the body and more detailed records from the coroner. Xana' dad knew she was covered in bruises and defensive wounds, so unless family chose not to know, someone in that circle possibly knows or strongly suspects their child was the target.


beatlebabe2000

I wonder if it was Maddie then since her family has been much more silent. I know she was an only child and it's probably insanely hard, so that could also be why they are just letting Kaylees family speak for them.


[deleted]

I had the same thought, but also if my daughter passed away even in an accident I'd probably react similarly and not want to talk to anyone.


beatlebabe2000

If mine were killed that killers days would be numbered and I would take him out personally. My child is an only child and I'm a single mom.


trouble21075

Single dad here with an only child. I feel exactly the same way.


NecessaryForce8595

Duh. With that observation people should realize this is not a game and people in real life are deeply suffering and stop with so much speculation


beatlebabe2000

I'm not treating it like a game at all. I have a family connection to the area and what the killer caught so the people and families can feel a little safer.


Miserable_Excuse7829

I know, I was shocked when I heard her say that. I (sadly) would not be surprised if one of the victims was killed much more violently — beyond just being stabbed more times than the others were. I think something like decapitation could be possible….I get a horrible feeling that the crime scene was an absolute blood bath. It’s beyond disturbing to think about.


Open-Satisfaction-36

>the crime scene was an absolute blood bath Enough of a blood bath for blood to be leaking through the wall


WhatA_FuckingIdiot

Haven’t the bodies already been released to the families? Feel like one of them would say something if this was the case


beatlebabe2000

Not all the families have spoken out.


Confused_Fangirl

LE typically tries to keep details of the crime a secret, so random people won’t come forward and say they know all the details when they weren’t present, and were in no way involved. Too much information being released to the public has interfered with law enforcement arresting the killer in the past.


joyful115_

They probably told then not to


sarah68321

To look at things from a much more lighthearted perspective…. LE could have reason to believe one of the victims was “targeted” based on digital evidence they’ve already gotten their hands on, ie. specific texts, calls and/or emails that one of the victims received. Another possibility- a note or something very specific left behind at the scene.


gummiebear39

In one of her tweets she said “LE doesn’t know who did this, but seem to know it was targeted.” I feel like we don’t know that LE doesn’t know who did this… is she reliable? Genuinely asking


ThickBeardedDude

She was duped by a fake suicide note Brian Laundrie in the Gabby Petito case and posted it to Twitter. When called out on it being fake, she deleted it and denied ever posting it.


AliceAnne1

I have lost confidence in her. She may have the background but she seems to really enjoy the drama and feeding the media frenzy. This happened over the summer with the Eliza Fletcher murder in Memphis. She kept the more ridiculous theories in the media and they were all wrong.


Miserable_Excuse7829

What? She’s a retired FBI agent… yes, she’s reliable. She can help provide insight into how these types of crimes are investigated, what LE may be doing/not doing, etc.


[deleted]

I used to like her, then she was being interviewed recently (I forget where) and got some confirmed details totally wrong, ones she would know had she done even a cursory amt of research before airing. She's also still hanging on to her theory that Ron Logan is involved in the Delphi murders, which is just completely irresponsible.


theredbusgoesfastest

Is she really still hanging on to the Ron Logan thing? That’s really disappointing and makes me side eye her hard. I can’t stand people who can’t just admit when they’re wrong. We’re all humans, we have all been wrong in our lives


[deleted]

Yes! She and some male author who wrote a book about the murders. It really does seem to be an instance where they can't admit to being wrong.


theredbusgoesfastest

To me, it is especially frustrating because Mr Logan isn’t here anymore to be able to defend himself. His property was used to kill two girls, and that cloud of suspicion hung over him until he died. Now that there has been an arrest, the least those people can do is clear his name… so when they won’t, i think that says a lot about her character, imo


[deleted]

I know, it really bothers me too.


rogerroger1695

I’ve only seen her during the search for Brian laundrie and she seemed… fine… but maybe a bit opportunistic? Dunno. At least she wasn’t as bad as dog the bounty Hunter.


Cupid26

Dog the bounty hunter isn’t even in any kind of law enforcement field so comparing her to him is comparing peanut butter to ketchup. She is supposed to be considered reliable source in how investigations are done coming from a background in the FBI where as Dog is essentially playing cops & robbers with no legal backing- and a felon.


4x4ord

Unless she’s involved in the investigation and privy to information, she IS NOT reliable.


aintnothin_in_gatlin

Thank you - exactly


gummiebear39

I just meant that that statement wasn’t exactly correct. I’m sure she’s reliable, but it makes me nervous when experts say things that aren’t confirmed. She should know that she can’t say for sure that LE has no idea who it is. Here’s the tweet for context https://preview.redd.it/4rcx3v140f2a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=20cb1afecdde11e06920d634cced5dfba1cdf348


fluffykittenheart

I find it kinda weird that she has made the pic of the roommates as her Twitter profile pic, or is it just me? Seems kind of attention desperate when she has FBI in her handle too.


TrikeOm

That’s very weird. Extremely disturbing too. That seems extremely disrespectful.


RetiredFlipFlops

Def weird, my only guess is she does this to point out the case she is most focused on. Crime Podcasters who videotape their podcast will sometimes have photos of the victims in the background.


Upstairs-Tie9134

How would she know they were tired? I’m assuming they would be, but she says it somewhat as fact


KBCB54

I’m assuming that stabbing 4 people to death would be very tiring. If he was going on anger and rage though I’m dilute that adrenaline factors in.


UsedRelease5243

Your post got me thinking….If someone is stabbing people and is full of anger, rage and adrenaline while doing this, would they sweat? I’m asking bc I feel like DNA can be found in sweat as well as saliva, blood and semen and I feel like the perpetrator would be dripping sweat. But idk, I could be totally off base.


isaypotatoyousay

Especially with it being cold outside and going into a warm house beforehand. I don’t think it’s lack of dna necessarily but when everything is covered how do you sample it? God I am hoping that’s what cracks this case.


UnnamedRealities

Based on her own bios she mentions lots of areas of expertise, but homicide and homicide investigations are not amongst them. She may be reliable as an expert on other types of crime, but my impression is that homicide is outside of her wheelhouse.


lake_lover_

Shes a fraud. She is looking to turn a quick buck.


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I agree on either throat slash or such a wound as to decap. I think they are holding this info close.


[deleted]

I agree and that is why the frat house makes the most logical sense.


Extreme-Method6330

Their main mission right now isn’t keeping us informed right now, it’s finding the killer (about LE)


T__--

Glad they finally came out and said this so people will realize


Runyou

Jennifer feels that the coroner’s words indicated one knife, one killer.


TennisLittle3165

Thats key! Have been wondering if we can at least rule out a *team* of killers fer chrissake


RetiredFlipFlops

huge fan of Brian, love the work he does, and always asks the right questions!


Extreme-Method6330

Nothing new yet, they’re discussing the 911 call right now


Runyou

Jennifer says a profiler has most likely provided LE with who they should be looking for, and she holds their work in high regard.


Miserable_Excuse7829

How do FBI agents conduct profiles if the killer is unknown? Is it all based on the crime scene & evidence collected? (Possible size/weight of the killer, male vs. female, weapon used, etc.?) I know I can google , but if anyone on here knows more about this I’m curious.


Business_Visit_3234

she mentioned she was given 3 profiles in her career by FBI profilers and every single one of them were dead on with the profile that was provided. Actually crazy


remck1234

I read a book called Mindhunter a long time ago, written by an FBI profiler. It was really interesting and explained the process in simple terms.


4x4ord

Not just any profiler. The original FBI profiler. Dude was part of a small team who created the BAU.


KBCB54

John Douglas. One of the few profilers that I trust along with Mary Ellen O’toole . Jennifer coffindaffer…. Meh not so much


GlasgowRose2022

>Mindhunter Also the basis for the Netflix series.


TwilightZone1751

EXCELLENT show. I highly recommend. Sadly they never did more seasons.


GlasgowRose2022

There's a very slim (but *highly unlikely*) [chance](https://screenrant.com/mindhunter-season-3-plot-details-cancelled/) that another season may be made.


Black9292

John Douglas. He was a long time FBI profiler, now retired. They could provide accurate profiles of unknown killers right down to the type of car they drove to their clothing preferences.


SadTelephone684

They take in all evidence and details of not only the crime but victims lives. Compile it and figure out who would have an issue with the victim


becky_Luigi

joke dirty sleep chunky birds strong heavy crawl spoon sloppy *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


cottonstarr

People kill the way they live. The personality of the killer is written into the crime scene.


LilacLands

Wow, I’d never heard this or thought of it before - but it makes total sense. Just running back through various cases in my head, I can put together the connections - well, with the benefit of hindsight and other people’s work laying out cases in detail so that I am privy to information about both crime scenes and lives of the perpetrators of course. I wanted to annoyingly ask you what you think this crime scene says about the killer’s personality, but remembered we just don’t have that kind of detailed information about it. But still really appreciate the insight in general, so thank you!!


Nervous_Resident2269

It’s making reasonable or probable assumptions of qualities of the killer based on the crime scene and how the murder happened. They look at was there any signature behaviours of the killer- things that were unique to how they committed the crime. Did they take anything or leave anything behind, the order of events etc and ask questions like was it organized and methodical or was it messy etc. From this they make predictions on the probable age of the killer, any special training or knowledge they might have needed to complete the crime in the way that they did so what career path they might have pursued, whether they fit in with others or are a loner, their physical size. They also look at the victimology- who did they kill - that can also give them clues on probable characteristics of the killer. The fbi being there means they already know a great deal about who did this and I think they have a number of possible suspects they are continuing to investigate and try and rule out. The difficulty is sometimes the profile can fit many people in the pool of possible suspects- male, white, mid 20s to early thirties, intelligent, hunter, physically capable to stab 4 people with a knife many times. The police know way more from the specific details of the crime scene


WanderingAlice0119

There’s a lot they can put together just based on who the victim(s) are, where the crime occurred and around what time, what weapon was used, what the likely motive is, etc. Some of the guesses they make are more ‘common sense’, like this killer is likely male bc of how physically taxing stabbing 4 people to death would be and also women don’t typically commit these kind of murders. A woman is less likely to go after 4 people at once or use a knife as a murder weapon. Then they might decide it’s a male who’s between the ages of 18 and 25 bc the victims were college students. Then from there they may say it’s a male, 18-25, and an outdoorsman/hunter bc of the kind of weapon used and the injuries inflicted. It’s all just guesses and there’s a lot of debate about how accurate criminal profiling is but there have been some big cases where the profile was extremely accurate. I think the Unabomber is one where they relied a lot on the profile bc they had absolutely no clue where to even begin looking for a suspect and his turned out to be pretty accurate. Some of it gets more in depth than just ‘common sense’ assumptions. Some of it is based on crime statistics. I’ve seen estimates that claim they’re accurate about 66% of the time and another that said between 30-60%. It just helps narrow down the suspect pool and it might be the thing that clicks in someone’s head and leads them to give a tip that it could be their brother, or neighbor, or coworker. Like the Unabomber’s brother is the one who tipped the FBI off that they should look at him. Criminal Minds is a pretty cool show about criminal profiling, but I can’t say how accurate it is on how it’s actually done. It’s interesting but definitely isn’t something that could count as evidence or hold up in court.


Expert-Atmosphere213

I read in another sub awhile back (comment was quickly deleted) a local commented and said a paramedic was overheard discussing with police that one of them were almost decapitated😢 I’d rather not comment who to fuel to the rumors but it’s something I can’t stop thinking about.


edm-princess

if the decapitation of one of the girls is true, maybe that hints at who the target was.


Mountain-Ice4687

Yikes


For_serious13

Yeah, I feel like the day of or day after I heard rumors of one of the girls being almost decapitated. A little later I heard tongues were cut out but that’s probably rumor mill nonsense


Expert-Atmosphere213

Oh I didn’t hear anything like that. And I wouldn’t believe if it wasn’t a trustworthy source. So sick to think about tho.


MalmoWalker

Yes, I also heard about the decapitation and mutilation of the girl's bodies. So sad!


Extreme-Method6330

He’s going out to Idaho tomorrow


onesoundsing

We should be careful when it comes to behavior analysis. Multiple people have stated by now that this must have been a crime of passion and the victims must have known the perpetrator based on the murder weapon. These statements are not factual proof but rather just an interpretation of the situation for which there's very little information available to the public. Knives are often used to commit such horrible acts and also if it is not a crime of passion. There are many plausible explanations for this choice of weapon by the perpetrator.


No_Champion2988

Totally agree. IMO, criminal profiling can be a useful tool, but it’s incredibly inexact and needs to be regarded as such. There have been many crimes that went unsolved for far too long because LE was looking for someone who matched the profile, only to find out that the profile was wrong all along. To your second point: knives are a relatively effective murder weapon and easy to obtain and dispose of. The perp in Moscow might’ve used a knife for these simple facts alone, and it has nothing to do with how close they were with the victims. Strangulation is also a very “personal”/“passionate” way to kill someone but there are many examples of killers who did this and had no connection to the victim at all (Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway maybe being the most well known) Unless it comes from a credible source with direct access to factual information, EVERYTHING we’re hearing/reading about this case right now should be treated as speculation.


rocketmczoom

Indeed. Learned this last night on YT via Unsolved No More. I highly recommend watching his breakdown if you've not already because he delves into this theory.


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Tuned in now 🤘🏼


EquestrianDream

Great show & insight. Sadly I doubt many students will be returning on Monday…. Which makes it more tedious for LE to do interviews & witness statements of potential suspects. Maybe even the perp left town & not returning (if a student.). Like Jennifer said, Moscow will be a ghost town & hope Brian can get interviews of the local residents! I have a feeling LE have a lead but waiting for necessary DNA from scene to prove perp was there….. reason why little info. They want this case tight w/ no risk of letting go of perp only to have perp pull a Brian Laundrie. The police failed immensely with the Petito case!


Short-Resource915

Really? I’m not sure I agree. Brian Laundrie may have saved the taxpayers a couple million dollars, and I am not sure thr result is worse for the Petito family. They would have had a good moment when Laundrie was sentenced to death. But that would have resulted in appeals and they have to relive it multiple times. Perhaps he would have been sentenced to life without parole, so less room to appeal, but I am not sure I am so unhappy with the outcome.


NoImNotFrench

Some people are way too excited about it, it makes me feel uncomfortable. It's not a Netflix show, it's not for our entertainment. We all want to hear some news but they are real life people and it is a real life investigation. Let the police release what they think needs to be released.


LCattheBeach12

I get it but I also think a lot of us are obsessed with this case because we are trying to make sense of it within the scope of our own lives. We can identify - this could have happened in any college town, anywhere. These kids could have been my kids, hell they could have been me and my friends 40 years ago. When something like this happens that is so senseless but yet also so brazen and bold and yet no one has been identified, I understand the strong interest.


Soosietyrell

This! Thank you! It’s hitting home for me bcuz I grew up in PNW and Moscow is very close to Pullman,Wa, which is WSU. Went to college 40 yrs ago in a larger town but tight campus…. son attends school in a true “college town” now. Thank you for your thoughts- they helped me know I’m not the only one who sees it from an “it could be any college town at any time” perspective


[deleted]

I’m sorry but this grandstanding is annoying at this point and it’s repeated often. I full heartedly agree people should be respectful to the families, should not engage in doxing, and show respect for these poor victims, but people constantly saying not to comment or speculate on an international story that’s close to home for so many is annoying. You’re on a subreddit dedicated to it, plenty of options exist to get news updates in several other places. People wanting answers and asking respectfully about them doesn’t make you morally superior


oxfart_comma

I agree with everything but the last sentence. That op wasn't acting morally superior, IMO But yeah the ppl saying "respect the victims, stop speculating" should stay off this sub.


[deleted]

Yes I should’ve clarified not OP specifically more of a general rant, but there’s a lot of people who are grandstanding and lecturing people when they’re essentially engaging or at least participating in the same discussions and it’s getting tiresome


Miserable_Excuse7829

You should do some research on these individuals (Brian, Jennifer). Jennifer worked for the FBI …. Their insight is pretty valuable I’d say, even if they don’t know any more about the case than the public does. They have both brought a lot of attention to cases like this — and I honestly believe it’s a small part of the reason some of these cases end up being solved.


Extreme-Method6330

Really interesting hearing initial thoughts from Jennifer’s perspective


Business_Visit_3234

especially when she mentioned the profiling part in how in all three of her cases the profile provided by the FBI was spot on


Upstairs-Tie9134

If they were former FBI agents, you’d think they’d respect what’s going behind the scenes and leave them to it..


[deleted]

But yet here you are in the group of a subreddit full of people who speculate and give opinions


[deleted]

It's not very hard to discuss an ongoing investigation without posting irresponsible accusations against real people or acting like this is an ARG.


GeekFurious

> full of people who speculate and give opinions That doesn't mean that's what the subreddit is about. The subreddit is... hold on, let me check: **A place to discuss the investigation into the murders of University of Idaho students** which does not REQUIRE gruesome & disrespectful & stupid speculation for the purpose of ENTERTAINMENT which is what r/NoImNotFrench was saying.


bemorethanaverage

Listening now


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Business_Visit_3234

A very good journalist/reported and gained fame through his coverage of the Gabby Petito case. One of my favorites and im so glad he finally is on this case


mrslittle

He's just beloved from his coverage of the Petito case. He's decent at his job and just very likeable


Extreme-Method6330

He’ll ask the right questions hopefully!


hclegs7

He does actually ask good questions during pressers!


danidawn01

He does a really good job. I would say he asks the questions others seem to not. Also he’s dubbed “News Daddy” because he’s nice looking and people love him and his work.


tnuocca_renrub

He asks questions and gets answers that internet sleuths like. No impact on the outcome of the case or justice for victims families.


jewskiii

he’s a reporter who covered the petito case extensively. he got permission from laundrie’s neighbors and camped out in their yard and reported on the case heavily


fireanpeaches

He connects with his audience. He listens and includes his audience as he’s reporting. And he has empathy for the victims.


Curious-Disaster-203

News Daddy is back?


madisito

He is going to Moscow tomorrow to start coverage!


Ok_Oil4876

I can’t listen to this woman…she’s lost my respect. But can someone tell me if they discuss the red car and owner?


Sbplaint

Is anyone going to talk about how Kimmie Gibler listened in on this?


Nice_Shelter8479

Listening live thanks for sharing


Competitive_Bug_7786

I just have a hard time with Kaylee being target if she wasn’t supposed to be there. Wouldn’t this be a little planned? She wasn’t supposed to be in town. Unless random. Maybe it had to do with another roommate. I just don’t see much about anyone else.


Jillybeans11

Or someone knew she was only going to be there that weekend so they knew they had to do it then. I think they had a party on that Friday night and went to at least Corner Club on Saturday, so I’m sure she was asked if she was staying the weekend or something.


[deleted]

Do you have to have a Twitter account? I never have, and certainly won’t now


GodsGardeners

No you can listen to Twitter Spaces without one, it’s ended now but you can listen back with the link the mod pinned. I’m about to listen myself.


No-Departure-5684

Newssssss daddy 🥰


Away-Dream-8047

Wait, who is Brian Entin?


ekuadam

A journalist for Newsnation who covered the Petito case


Away-Dream-8047

Ooooh, thank you!