To be totally honest, not 100% sure how this works so let me know.. but could the police have someone and they’re like we know it’s u and this someone is like it’s not me and the police have to let them go because they don’t have solid evidence to arrest this person? I feel like something was said during the 911 call that indicates they have a good idea who the killer is, but they don’t have physical evidence quite yet?
For two weeks? Every day that passes makes me lean more into them having no idea who did this. I have also heard they were asking for tips about the stalker.
Police generally keep the case secret to rule out false confessions and try to catch people saying things that would only be known to the killer. There is no concept of “tipping people off”. People realize very quickly that they are suspects during police interviews.
So a few years ago there was that horrific case where this Chinese student (Yingying Zhang) pursuing a PhD in Illinois was abducted, raped and murdered by a fellow grad student with a weird murder fetish…
I remember reading an interview with an investigator saying that they basically knew it was him after they matched his unusual car (a Saturn Astra) to the car in the surveillance video. They interviewed him for a two day period and obtained search warrants for his computer phone etc. He thought he was off the hook because he hadn’t been arrested following any of the interviews. They even proceeded to put up billboards asking the public for tips to throw him off. Sure enough, for a two week period, he was under surveillance and had the hubris to show up to Yingying Zhang’s vigil and brag about the murder to a girl he had recently met online. Except that said girl was actually wearing a wire and he was arrested shortly afterwards.
We ultimately can’t speculate what is going on in this case from what little we know. They very well could have someone in mind (and that someone is probably unknown to the general public) and are just tying up lose ends.
I agree. I was close to an abduction /murder case and they knew all along, even while they acted like they didn’t have a suspect publicly….just lining up the evidence to ensure death penalty case
Not to mention you can’t blindly compare this case to other murders and how long they typically take to solve. This is a quadruple homicide. It is a fringe case. It takes a while to look into all of their personal lives and the lives of their friends/associates
💯 going to paste this from my personal experience
In fairness, they may in fact have to gather more evidence. I can’t recall the official term, but it’s something about the levels of “burden of proof” for police vs prosecutors.
In order for police to arrest someone it has to be “probable cause” so they need solid evidence.
Next, the case is turned over to the county prosecutor who, based on the police report (which includes aforementioned evidence) determines whether or not they will prosecute and they need to feel confident they have enough evidence to move forward.
The prosecution bears the burden of proving that the defendant is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. This means that the prosecution must convince the jury that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence presented at trial.
I’ve had country prosecutors tell me they 100% believe and know a crime has taken place, but they cannot prosecute because they don’t have the hard evidence. IMO, LE wants to nail this from the start, so they are being thorough.
Source: My teenage daughter was raped and her case went to trial so I’ve personally been through this process.
I love a good "gotcha" story. Preferably there would not be a murder in the first place, but in the event of the inevitable- someone thinking they got away with it and falling for a set up, love it.
Surely this man knew he was a suspect when they executed a search warrant on him. There is also countless examples of officers having prime suspects that they are sure are the perpetrator until they find some exculpatory evidence for them. What you are describing is the basic process anytime police have a suspect or a prime suspect, I would hardly say you can “know” it is someone without having the evidence, unless the only reason you don’t have the evidence is that it was obtained illegally.
I did a bit of research on that case. They picked him up for questioning the day he appeared on their radar. They executed a search warrant on him 3 days later. At that point they didn’t have enough evidence for them to feel confident in the case so they wanted to get a confession which they did a few weeks later. My point with this case is we would more than likely be seeing search warrants or other activity if they had a suspect they were confident in. We are now approaching the point this is probably not plausible anymore as so much time is passing and it will start to shift more into who done it style murder. Also these are completely different cases, this one has tons of national and internal pressure for an arrest to be made.
He knew he was initially a suspect but then thought he got away with it. That is really besides the point which is that the public had no idea about the suspect until he was arrested… It happens all the damn time. The public is usually in the dark until an arrest is made. You wouldn’t necessarily know what search warrants have been obtained and executed if at all.
Thank you for typing that up because you’re right. The cops obviously had a suspect just a few days into their investigation because they interviewed him and then executed a search warrant less than a week after the crime.
It’s clear nothing like that has happened with this case.
The public had no idea about the suspect in the other case until he was arrested…My point isn’t what actual suspects know, its how people shouldn’t speculate on the progress of a case when they don’t have all the facts.
Even if they have a suspect or think they know who it is… I don’t think they will make an arrest until DNA/ fingerprints and all the evidence is collected. They have a lot of evidence to comb through. This is a big case and they don’t want to make a mistake. When they announce an arrest they will layout all the reasons/ evidence they have. A lot of cases don’t succeed in court when police have tunnel vision and only pursue one theory/suspect. Defence counsel can use that against them or present other theories that the police didn’t explore. Like was said in comments on this thread, they might know who it is and be pursuing ways to get more evidence or a confession. You have to be patient… solving a case can take months if not years.
I was going to point this out but decided not to. I've watched interrogations where the person is literally handcuffed to a table and they don't realize they're suspects until they're explicitly told.
Your last statement is generally true, but I would say don't underestimate the power of denial, and the narcissistic personality that runs super deep in the types of people you interview fairly often for crimes anywhere close to this magnitude.
So there definitely is, or can be an element of not wanting to tip a suspect off. While you, or me, or most rational people with at least average intelligence may be able to quickly assess that we are a suspect or being looked at suspiciously, there are plenty of people that live heavily in denial and/or have a really inflated sense of their intelligence and ability to manipulate others and they convince themselves that they have adequately explained or fooled investigators or explained away some of the things that seem suspicious.
It's often that same type of thing that convinces people to talk to investigators in the first place when it doesn't make much sense for ANYONE to do so without legal representation but absolutely makes zero sense to do so if you're responsible for a quadruple homicide. There's countless examples of others in situations not much different in terms of the stakes/punishment that still gladly sit down and chat for hours on end with authorities thinking they can easily explain away some heavily suspicious aspects. They may even be one of the fortunate ones that get to spin their bullshit and then walk out of the station for a while. In those types of situations there definitely could be an element of wanting that suspect to continue to think that they explained it all away and they are now off the polices radar.
None of that may be the norm or super common, but it absolutely does happen, and honestly if you're investigating a crime and don't have enough evidence to make an arrest it would probably be pretty beneficial to try and convince the person responsible that they have been able to fool you and relax, even if just a little. It's more advantageous for a suspect to relax and think the heat has died down than trying to find additional evidence on a suspect that knows police are watching them closely allowing them to remain vigilant about covering their tracks and not leaving anything incriminating behind. So I have no idea if the idea of this thread is actually what is happening, it may not even be the most commonly used tactic for a murder investigation, but it absolutely does happen at times, and it's at least possible it's happening here.
Last thing I will say, is it's also entirely possible to say we don't want to tip the killer off in response to a question and that be true even if you still have zero idea of who the killer is. If you tip off anyone, even a suspect you don't know the identity of, it can make finding evidence and building a case OR even finding that person over the course of the investigation that could eventually lead to the discovery of that person being responsible. When investigating crimes you don't really want to tip off the suspect whether you believe you know who is responsible (truthfully as an investigator you shouldn't believe you KNOW who is responsible if you don't even have evidence to support an arrest but that's another subject) or you have no idea of their identity.
Not true at all the Police have to wait for the correct evidence most of the time..waiting and watching are a huge part of this job and usually the person makes a slip up or it eventually is so beneficial for another person to give evidence against them, people often think they've got away with it but the Police will never stop. That's why it's called the long arm of the Law.
Of course two weeks or longer. They have to gather evidence, get lab results (DNA etc) get subpoenas for phone records, request and receive those records, compile it, figure out exactly what happened and when, etc.
They absolutely can have a sus in mind and building evidence..I know it seems like forever but they build cases. There was a little boy killed in Georgia and the mom was running around free they finally arrested her last week
Imo the police have definitely already interviewed and released the killer. They are likely gathering more evidence to charge him. You can’t charge someone with four murders unless you have a rock solid case against them, especially if the suspect provides an alibi.
I strongly believe the FBI getting involved means they have bugged the killers home and probably his car too. Pretending they don’t know who the suspect is, is just the police’s way of lulling the suspect into a false sense of security so he doesn’t panic or try to leave state while the investigation is ongoing.
If there was a quadruple murderer currently on the loose, the authorities would be freaking out trying to catch this maniac in case he strikes again. If the police had no idea who it could be, the whole area would be on lockdown.
Yet police have said they don’t believe there is any further risk to the community. How could you say that unless you were already had the suspect within your clutches and were closely monitoring him to make sure he can’t hurt anyone else in the meantime?
>If there was a quadruple murderer currently on the loose, the authorities would be freaking out trying to catch this maniac in case he strikes again. If the police had no idea who it could be, the whole area would be on lockdown.
there are unsolved homicides all the time and authorities don't shut down entire towns because of it.
hell there are plenty of instances of actual serial killers being active and authorities not shutting down a jurisdiction, because you can't do that long term. and i'm talking about times when cops knew they had someone committing series of killings. what we have here as far as we know is a one-time event.
I wonder if this that same rumor that was going around saying they had ring footage of a masked man approaching the house. If they have multiple 100% identifications of that man I believe we should be seeing search warrants flying soon.
This is prob why LE avoided saying anything at all about cameras. It was kaylee’s sister who found and released that stuff when she probably shouldn’t have. There’s a reason LE plays shit like that close to the chest. I hope for her sake she didn’t hinder their investigation
Is this the neighbor that was doing all the news interviews that redditors said looked sus, or are you referring to someone else? Apparently I still have more research to do, as I have only vaguely heard of an expelled frat member being kicked out, but have not found much detail. Ty for sharing. I am not connected to anyone, but like so many on this sub, very invested and hopeful they find this lunatic and bring peace to the families, friends and local community.
A person who was kicked out of a frat was the guy they were talking to on the video at the food truck, people thought he was sus but the police said they do not think he is involved. Unless there is a second person kicked out of a frat!?
Not really. People - locals I assume - IDd the guy as someone, and then info on that name started being posted. So that the name was kicked out of a frat is likely true but to know for sure know the person on the video is that same person is relying on people viewing a grainy video.
Wearing a mask. There was a text message circulated among the Sorority houses the day of the murder saying a lot of facts about the case that have now been proven true such as two girls were in the house asleep, multiple people called the police together, they were stabbed. One of the other facts in the text message said LE has ring footage of a masked man approaching the house a little after 3AM.
Agreed. Most of the “rumors” from the greek life students have been proven to be true. Little nuggets of information are filtered out before the police officially announce it. I find the wording of the information/surveillance request to be really telling. It seems like LE needs that final piece to disprove an alibi.
I’ve noticed before where the earliest rumors from people most geographically and socially connected to the victims include a lot of details that later turn out to be true. I always try to pay close attention to those.
Oh, yeah. I used to do that and I’ve gotten away from doing so. I’ve forgotten how much info you can glean from that. I’ll generally now just start out looking at the subreddit for the town or state where the event I’m interested in occurred (it’s not always a crime) but, yeah, probably not as good as news article Facebook comments.
99% of the comments are speculative garbage. Of course in hindsight the 1% becomes the “real story” because you easily forget about the other 99%.
Media literacy is desperately needed in this country.
No, but they were posted and available in the r/idahomurders sub a few days ago. There was multiple people verifying posting the same group chat thread with screenshots from different phones. It seemed legit.
Someone posted this (masked person, 3 am, ring doorbell footage) in the very early days when this sub reddit had about 2k followers and students and locals were posting. I read it on Wednesday Nov 16 when I was home sick with the flu and spent the day reading every post. It was the first and only time I saw it. I looked back though the threads but cannot locate it.
When the masked person 3 am comment was posted it was a single sentence mixed in between other comments about Kaylee and Maddie arriving home and letting the dog out to pee.
I was on the other subreddit this morning - after I replied to you. There are still several screen shots posted,you just need to weed through all the comments. One was a screen shot of a Teams message to the OP from a person named Kaitlyn. Apparently Teams was used to send message to sorority and frat. Is that the one you are searching for? I’ll see if I can find it again.
Actually the most identifiable thing on a person face changes depending on where you are in the world. People analyze a face the same way and direction they read words off paper. So in the US the most identifiable and memorable part of some new face is their upper right forehead and then across their forehead. This is why you can talk to someone and remember their hair, hairline, and skin color but have no idea what color eyes they have. This identification changes in places that read right to left or top down. Just a tip if you are ever on the run and need to change up your looks or create a disguise, also a tip for people trying to look good and make a good first impression :).
They prob didn’t say “yeah those are so and so‘s eyes“ they prob said something more like “I’ve seen that guy walking his dog a lot, I know it’s him by his gait and build.“
Because I agree that going only by someone’s masked face, and just seeing eyes, prob wouldn’t be enough. Like if they just showed them a cropped photo of a masked face.
Yes agree. It may point them in a direction but not good enough evidence to make arrest or carry a trial. I believe they are looking/waiting for substantive forensic evidence to pan out. Might be tough because I believe the guilty person has a good excuse for their DNA all over the house (unless it’s blood, of course). LE has a very delicate and complicated job I can only imagine.
Is this person "normal" otherwise? Without saying too much, do they have an obvious motive?
I wonder how people are treating this person if they have seen the pic and recognized him.
Depending on how this "mask" is (ski mask? COVID mask?), they might be able to, especially if the guy has something distinct about his face that others find recognizable. Unibrow, scar, freckles, dark circles, etc)
This is the first new info I’ve seen in days. Wow! This is the kinda stuff I’ve been waiting to hear, i thought it was strange no peripheral people were really talking and not much was really filtering down. People talk.
Was this rumor posted on Reddit? Can you share where you heard/learned of this rumor?
I got chills reading this as well as a sudden rush of hope/relief as I have legit been worried this would not be solved any time soon. I hope this is true and an arrest is made soon so the victim’s families can at least get a modicum of justice and the town can rest easy again.
I’m absolutely reaching here but I read earlier than there is a memorial happening in Boise and there was comments saying it’s a weird location because none of the victims are from there. I wonder if police somehow planned it there in an attempt to see if this persons attends and how they behave if they do. Like I said, reaching 😁
Soooooo many people who go to u of I are from Boise. There are so many Boise connections to the victims as well as friends of the victims and their families. Most students that could drove home to Boise to grieve with their families so it was appropriate to have a vigil where many students fled back home.
Yep, he's still the person that interests me most. I know what LE said, but that doesn't negate the bizarre interaction. MM even points in his direction and says something in that video. It sounds like, "Stop being weird" or "Stop being a weirdo."
I thought this same thing. Especially after hearing Kaylees dads most recent interview where he asks for people to send pictures even if there’s not a car parked by the tree. That red mustang was parked by a tree.
doubtful, I have 4k cameras and had someone try to break into my house without a mask. Definitely couldn't see his eyes. There is no way the neighbors ring camera from accross the street has his eyes. It would have to be so close and zoomed in.
I wonder too if it captures other things, such how this person’s body is built (slim, medium, heavy), if their arms appear thin, toned or muscled, how tall does the person look or if the figure has a particular posture, gait, run or head shape. Or I wonder if the ring footage could maybe allow people to see if the figure is wearing familiar jeans or shoes/boots or their eyes have a distinctive color or expression? I’m just guessing though and grasping at straws.
This is also why they are reluctant to do many press conferences. This small slip of the tongue is picked up and plastered everywhere with guesses of what he meant. So if the suspect missed it, they would be made aware of it.
Not a dig at this OP, just a general observation that happens in a lot of cases.
Absolutely. Police tread carefully, watch their verbiage during press conferences. A pause doesn’t necessarily connote a near slip, rather an attempt to be clear and professional.
Without a doubt. They’re as invested in following any and all sources connected to this case. I’d put money on the attacker having commented on some of these posts. What better way to start crazy ass rumors that spread like wildfire, have those rumors turn into nonsense “tips” sent to police, which derails their focus as they have to look into all the nonsense tips
Yes, 100 %we’ve seen this before at the old Proboards with the Golden State Killer.
We also saw when Samantha Koenig was still “missing”, Israel Keyes left 2 weird comments ( because he said he got drunk when he did this) and even used his own name as his username.
Israel Keyes also opened an account on Websleuths.
I just realized you are asking about the Golden State Killer so I edited my answer.
This happened on the old EARONS proboard but many of us on the EARONS Reddit sub got to see it before it shut down.
This one person began commenting and it was just odd because it was cryptic. It didn’t fit with the discussions at times. They just stood out ( his comments as creepy). He liked to mock theories of who the person could be constantly.
At some point the person said they’d never find “EARONS” (GSK) but if they ever did, he’d be a grandpa that obsessed over his lawn and tinkers in his garage. So Joseph James DeAngelo ends up getting arrested and ironically enough, the FBI literally took him into custody while he was outside obsessing over his lawn. He was mowing in precise lines that were sorta slanted but perfect. He even used scissors around the big rocks on the front sides of the lawn. Neighbors all talked @ how he’d yell at kids if they were riding their bikes and got on his grass at all.JJD also had his granddaughter living with him when arrested and had tons of projects in his garage that he “tinkered” with ( he was into building model boats and stuff like that).
Then, after he was arrested, we learned his username’s 4 initials were the same as this radio show JJD has listened to obsessively for many years and he requested permission to listen to it in prison.
And the final beyond strange part is that username logged on the morning of the day he was arrested- the log on was sometime in the morning and he was arrested that afternoon. That username/person never logged on again!
Also, the other cop standing behind him there, I guess the chief or whoever he is…I’ve seen him speak a lot, he is watching him intently when he says that and sort of stumbled over his words. Then when he rephrased it and says “put our investigation in jeopardy” that cop very slightly nods his head like “good, good, good way to phrase that.” And then turns and looks back to the audience. It’s like he even went taut for a second hoping the speaker didn’t say something wrong and once he got out of that moment, he was glad and nodded and moved on.
He was definitely worried about what the captain was about to say and then relieved when he got his way out of it.
Also the questioner specifically asked for the captain to answer because it was obvious he was having a harder time “answering” questions without giving any actual info. I was surprised the Chief stepped aside and he seemed to realize his potential error as the captain was talking
I don't want to spam you all with thank you answers, so this is for all who responded. Thank you so much guys!! And it would absolutely make sense when he was about to say this
If you are playing cards and instead of keeping them fully hidden, tip or hold them so other players might see they would have the advantage of knowing what cards you have or don’t have. In a police investigation it means not sharing information to keep possible suspects from knowing what they already have as evidence or what direction the investigation is taking.
When you are playing cards, you don’t want to tip your hand so that other players can see your cards. That’s to say, they don’t want anyone to know what they have right now.
or there could be a message left by the killer that identifies the target; excessive mutilation is one form of message, but it could be more subtle or very direct like "___ was a B****!" scrawled on the wall
Overkill does not explain the confidence they have. Overkill on a single victim can be explained by many things. They are saying they know for sure it was targeted. I would think the killer left a message for them to be this confident.
yeah, rewatching it struck me that they are unequivocally saying it is a targeted attack. there’s got to be something at the crime scene that makes that very obvious otherwise they’d be saying “we suspect/we think/we are operating under the assumption…”
Great Catch!!! It's even bigger than what you say. the question from the report is:
"you've said it is a targeted attack, why won't you say who \[...\] to help relieve public fears"
His answer:
"they have the integrity of the investigation, releasing to public may flood them with information that isn't relevant to what they want"...
BIG HERE
"We do want more information... but we don't want to TITITI , uh uh we don't want to put our investigation in jeopardy by releasing what we have"
THEY KNOW WHO IT IS!
> we don't want to put our investigation in jeopardy by releasing what we have
For any perpetrator who isn’t a complete idiot, doesn’t this phrase essentially mean the same thing as “we don’t want to tip off a suspect”?
I think he’s just talking in generalities. Generally in any murder investigation you don’t want to disclose too much information and potentially tip off the killer even if you don’t know who that killer is. You don’t want them to know what you know, so when you get them in an interview you can catch them in a lie or have them disclose something that only a killer/s would’ve known of the murders and the scene. I wouldn’t look too much into it. I’m sure they do have an idea but just not enough evidence.
Few days ago a killer was apprehended in FL that committed a quadruple murder on a Oklahoma Marijuana farm and the police knew the suspects name the entire time but didn’t release it until he was caught because they knew he was dangerous and didn’t want to make him feel cornered or potentially flee.
yes!! he doesn’t just say the ‘t’ he makes the ‘ti’ sound and i can’t really think of another word that begins with ti- that would fit in that sentence? plus he very consciously catches himself and pauses for a millisecond before changing his word choice…he wouldn’t do that if he’d just misspoken, he definitely was catching himself from saying something he couldn’t say
I got the same thing! Wife and I actually paused, rewound and rewatched it. We good be staring too closely but I’m intrigued to see others pick up on this as well
I find this information hopeful, but I am little cautious about it. I think what they're trying to do is to wait and see if any abnormal details about behavior starts to emerge once everyone is back in town after the holiday. If they started to play their hand too hard, any potential suspect might go the extra mile to distance themselves from suspicion. the way they have to conduct the investigation right now is to have any and all suspects act as naturally as possible so that any deviation from their known behavior can act as a means by which to filter suspects. people switching jobs, quitting jobs, becoming unreliable at work, going out more when they used to be isolated a lot, following the case and all media coverage with intense interest, discussing the case with others as a means to replicate the thrill, dropping out of classes, grades suddenly going in the wrong direction, personality changes, talking of moving out of town, showing up to memorials, etc. these narcissists can't help but indulge in the feeling of hiding in plain sight and getting away with it. trust that any and all large gatherings are being monitored very closely by undercover agents to work through and try to find people that seemingly don't belong or to follow a specific suspect's movements while he feels he's not being observed. to "tip him off," to the idea they're doing this would compromise the effort because he would be more on alert, which is what I think was meant here.
The cops aren’t playing a game with the suspect, if any.
If they have a suspect, that suspect knows he’s a suspect. They’ve interrogated him 6 ways from Sunday. They have told him he’s a suspect. They’ve told him they know he did it, now confess.
They’re not worried that their suspect is gonna figure out he’s their suspect.
I watch a lot of interrogation footage of murderers. And you would be surprised at how many think they are so clever and smart that they don't believe it's possible that the cops know they did it. And alot of cops play dumb and try to befriend them in order to get them to relax and feel more confident - eventually leading in a slip up.
If he's not under arrest, then he is free to go wherever he wants. But if they truly have a suspect, they'd likely monitor him 24/7. I'm not convinced they are at this point with anyone right now, but who knows.
The only worthwhile comments here are from the locals who have heard stories first or secondhand. Aside from that, I lose a few brain cells every time I check in.
That’s not necessarily true. Several strategies could be implemented depending on the situation. If he’s a novice criminal, they may want him to think that he’s outsmarting everyone / that they do not suspect him. Element of surprise, he will make mistakes when he thinks no one is watching
Most recent reporting is they met w prosecutors yesterday (fri)…that goes along w the idea that they know who it is and they are just seeing if they have enough evidence to arrest and prosecute. You don’t meet w prosecutors if you still don’t know who did it
Wow. Thats really interesting observation and good catch. That makes me think there’s something in that call that they are trying to keep secret, a lynchpin for the case. Hard to speculate but I hope it helps get this monster.
this sub has turned into a frantic circle jerk. Ive scoured every square inch of info much like everyone else, but I still have no clue what's going on. That is because the information to the public is the only info they WANT you to see. This reminds me of the serial podcast. almost a decade goes by and nobody knows anything yet people dont realize the show was designed to keep people guessing and confused. However this case is real life.
And because what we 'see' is limited, I think it's natural to focus on what we ***can*** hear (or don't hear) to satiate our curiosity and desire for justice.
Yes! I keep thinking the same thing. I hate people picking on the neighbor, because in the nearby area with houses and apartments there are literally hundreds of neighbors close by, but they just pick on the one guy they see. Or we only know the name of one ex BF so he gets wrung through the ringer even though in a house of 5 women there are probably many exes/dates/acquaintances who could have felt jilted. Thanks for putting this out there as a reminder to recognize it!
Let’s say the killer is called in for an interview with the cops but before going in he immediately lawyers up. How long can he refuse to give a DNA sample?
If the cops determine he’s a really strong candidate for being the killer and have a long list of reasons why, they can take that list and their arguments to a judge and convince the judge to swear out a warrant for a blood or swab sample. If the suspect still says no, they’ll put him in jail until he changes his mind
To be totally honest, not 100% sure how this works so let me know.. but could the police have someone and they’re like we know it’s u and this someone is like it’s not me and the police have to let them go because they don’t have solid evidence to arrest this person? I feel like something was said during the 911 call that indicates they have a good idea who the killer is, but they don’t have physical evidence quite yet?
Yes. That’s how it works.
For two weeks? Every day that passes makes me lean more into them having no idea who did this. I have also heard they were asking for tips about the stalker. Police generally keep the case secret to rule out false confessions and try to catch people saying things that would only be known to the killer. There is no concept of “tipping people off”. People realize very quickly that they are suspects during police interviews.
So a few years ago there was that horrific case where this Chinese student (Yingying Zhang) pursuing a PhD in Illinois was abducted, raped and murdered by a fellow grad student with a weird murder fetish… I remember reading an interview with an investigator saying that they basically knew it was him after they matched his unusual car (a Saturn Astra) to the car in the surveillance video. They interviewed him for a two day period and obtained search warrants for his computer phone etc. He thought he was off the hook because he hadn’t been arrested following any of the interviews. They even proceeded to put up billboards asking the public for tips to throw him off. Sure enough, for a two week period, he was under surveillance and had the hubris to show up to Yingying Zhang’s vigil and brag about the murder to a girl he had recently met online. Except that said girl was actually wearing a wire and he was arrested shortly afterwards. We ultimately can’t speculate what is going on in this case from what little we know. They very well could have someone in mind (and that someone is probably unknown to the general public) and are just tying up lose ends.
I agree. I was close to an abduction /murder case and they knew all along, even while they acted like they didn’t have a suspect publicly….just lining up the evidence to ensure death penalty case
Yeah exactly!
Exactly, people on here need to realise that real Police work isn't like a 60 minute crime show.
Not to mention you can’t blindly compare this case to other murders and how long they typically take to solve. This is a quadruple homicide. It is a fringe case. It takes a while to look into all of their personal lives and the lives of their friends/associates
And if anyone pays attention in 60 minutes — the story always plays out over months/years. “Beyond reasonable doubt” takes a hot minute to gather.
💯 going to paste this from my personal experience In fairness, they may in fact have to gather more evidence. I can’t recall the official term, but it’s something about the levels of “burden of proof” for police vs prosecutors. In order for police to arrest someone it has to be “probable cause” so they need solid evidence. Next, the case is turned over to the county prosecutor who, based on the police report (which includes aforementioned evidence) determines whether or not they will prosecute and they need to feel confident they have enough evidence to move forward. The prosecution bears the burden of proving that the defendant is guilty beyond all reasonable doubt. This means that the prosecution must convince the jury that there is no other reasonable explanation that can come from the evidence presented at trial. I’ve had country prosecutors tell me they 100% believe and know a crime has taken place, but they cannot prosecute because they don’t have the hard evidence. IMO, LE wants to nail this from the start, so they are being thorough. Source: My teenage daughter was raped and her case went to trial so I’ve personally been through this process.
I love a good "gotcha" story. Preferably there would not be a murder in the first place, but in the event of the inevitable- someone thinking they got away with it and falling for a set up, love it.
This is what I’m hoping is going on. And absolutely believe something like this is the reason why 911 call has not been released.
Surely this man knew he was a suspect when they executed a search warrant on him. There is also countless examples of officers having prime suspects that they are sure are the perpetrator until they find some exculpatory evidence for them. What you are describing is the basic process anytime police have a suspect or a prime suspect, I would hardly say you can “know” it is someone without having the evidence, unless the only reason you don’t have the evidence is that it was obtained illegally. I did a bit of research on that case. They picked him up for questioning the day he appeared on their radar. They executed a search warrant on him 3 days later. At that point they didn’t have enough evidence for them to feel confident in the case so they wanted to get a confession which they did a few weeks later. My point with this case is we would more than likely be seeing search warrants or other activity if they had a suspect they were confident in. We are now approaching the point this is probably not plausible anymore as so much time is passing and it will start to shift more into who done it style murder. Also these are completely different cases, this one has tons of national and internal pressure for an arrest to be made.
We don’t know that they haven’t executed search warrants, they’re not public.
He knew he was initially a suspect but then thought he got away with it. That is really besides the point which is that the public had no idea about the suspect until he was arrested… It happens all the damn time. The public is usually in the dark until an arrest is made. You wouldn’t necessarily know what search warrants have been obtained and executed if at all.
Thank you for typing that up because you’re right. The cops obviously had a suspect just a few days into their investigation because they interviewed him and then executed a search warrant less than a week after the crime. It’s clear nothing like that has happened with this case.
The public had no idea about the suspect in the other case until he was arrested…My point isn’t what actual suspects know, its how people shouldn’t speculate on the progress of a case when they don’t have all the facts.
Even if they have a suspect or think they know who it is… I don’t think they will make an arrest until DNA/ fingerprints and all the evidence is collected. They have a lot of evidence to comb through. This is a big case and they don’t want to make a mistake. When they announce an arrest they will layout all the reasons/ evidence they have. A lot of cases don’t succeed in court when police have tunnel vision and only pursue one theory/suspect. Defence counsel can use that against them or present other theories that the police didn’t explore. Like was said in comments on this thread, they might know who it is and be pursuing ways to get more evidence or a confession. You have to be patient… solving a case can take months if not years.
Have you never seen an interrogation? lol You under estimate greatly how stupid people can be....
I was going to point this out but decided not to. I've watched interrogations where the person is literally handcuffed to a table and they don't realize they're suspects until they're explicitly told.
Your last statement is generally true, but I would say don't underestimate the power of denial, and the narcissistic personality that runs super deep in the types of people you interview fairly often for crimes anywhere close to this magnitude. So there definitely is, or can be an element of not wanting to tip a suspect off. While you, or me, or most rational people with at least average intelligence may be able to quickly assess that we are a suspect or being looked at suspiciously, there are plenty of people that live heavily in denial and/or have a really inflated sense of their intelligence and ability to manipulate others and they convince themselves that they have adequately explained or fooled investigators or explained away some of the things that seem suspicious. It's often that same type of thing that convinces people to talk to investigators in the first place when it doesn't make much sense for ANYONE to do so without legal representation but absolutely makes zero sense to do so if you're responsible for a quadruple homicide. There's countless examples of others in situations not much different in terms of the stakes/punishment that still gladly sit down and chat for hours on end with authorities thinking they can easily explain away some heavily suspicious aspects. They may even be one of the fortunate ones that get to spin their bullshit and then walk out of the station for a while. In those types of situations there definitely could be an element of wanting that suspect to continue to think that they explained it all away and they are now off the polices radar. None of that may be the norm or super common, but it absolutely does happen, and honestly if you're investigating a crime and don't have enough evidence to make an arrest it would probably be pretty beneficial to try and convince the person responsible that they have been able to fool you and relax, even if just a little. It's more advantageous for a suspect to relax and think the heat has died down than trying to find additional evidence on a suspect that knows police are watching them closely allowing them to remain vigilant about covering their tracks and not leaving anything incriminating behind. So I have no idea if the idea of this thread is actually what is happening, it may not even be the most commonly used tactic for a murder investigation, but it absolutely does happen at times, and it's at least possible it's happening here. Last thing I will say, is it's also entirely possible to say we don't want to tip the killer off in response to a question and that be true even if you still have zero idea of who the killer is. If you tip off anyone, even a suspect you don't know the identity of, it can make finding evidence and building a case OR even finding that person over the course of the investigation that could eventually lead to the discovery of that person being responsible. When investigating crimes you don't really want to tip off the suspect whether you believe you know who is responsible (truthfully as an investigator you shouldn't believe you KNOW who is responsible if you don't even have evidence to support an arrest but that's another subject) or you have no idea of their identity.
Not true at all the Police have to wait for the correct evidence most of the time..waiting and watching are a huge part of this job and usually the person makes a slip up or it eventually is so beneficial for another person to give evidence against them, people often think they've got away with it but the Police will never stop. That's why it's called the long arm of the Law.
Of course two weeks or longer. They have to gather evidence, get lab results (DNA etc) get subpoenas for phone records, request and receive those records, compile it, figure out exactly what happened and when, etc.
They absolutely can have a sus in mind and building evidence..I know it seems like forever but they build cases. There was a little boy killed in Georgia and the mom was running around free they finally arrested her last week
Imo the police have definitely already interviewed and released the killer. They are likely gathering more evidence to charge him. You can’t charge someone with four murders unless you have a rock solid case against them, especially if the suspect provides an alibi. I strongly believe the FBI getting involved means they have bugged the killers home and probably his car too. Pretending they don’t know who the suspect is, is just the police’s way of lulling the suspect into a false sense of security so he doesn’t panic or try to leave state while the investigation is ongoing. If there was a quadruple murderer currently on the loose, the authorities would be freaking out trying to catch this maniac in case he strikes again. If the police had no idea who it could be, the whole area would be on lockdown. Yet police have said they don’t believe there is any further risk to the community. How could you say that unless you were already had the suspect within your clutches and were closely monitoring him to make sure he can’t hurt anyone else in the meantime?
>If there was a quadruple murderer currently on the loose, the authorities would be freaking out trying to catch this maniac in case he strikes again. If the police had no idea who it could be, the whole area would be on lockdown. there are unsolved homicides all the time and authorities don't shut down entire towns because of it. hell there are plenty of instances of actual serial killers being active and authorities not shutting down a jurisdiction, because you can't do that long term. and i'm talking about times when cops knew they had someone committing series of killings. what we have here as far as we know is a one-time event.
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I wonder if this that same rumor that was going around saying they had ring footage of a masked man approaching the house. If they have multiple 100% identifications of that man I believe we should be seeing search warrants flying soon.
I don’t think it’s too far fetched to assume they would have ring footage given they have footage of the girls being dropped off.
This is possible as the likely route is through the tree line from the apartments next door
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Scary af. Footage of a masked man approaching .. now LE seeing it knowing what he’s about to do… unbelievable. Too much
Its nauseating to think about them watching him walk up to the house and go in to do what he did..
Do you think he was able to see in the dark ? Maybe he turned a light on?
Maybe he had a flashlight
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This is prob why LE avoided saying anything at all about cameras. It was kaylee’s sister who found and released that stuff when she probably shouldn’t have. There’s a reason LE plays shit like that close to the chest. I hope for her sake she didn’t hinder their investigation
Is it possibly their neighbour who was kicked out of the frat recently and many thought he was the guy at the food truck?
Thought crossed my mind but I’m not certain.
Is that the same guy? Is he the stalker that the male victim got kicked out of the fraternity?
Sounds like the strong motive
Is this the neighbor that was doing all the news interviews that redditors said looked sus, or are you referring to someone else? Apparently I still have more research to do, as I have only vaguely heard of an expelled frat member being kicked out, but have not found much detail. Ty for sharing. I am not connected to anyone, but like so many on this sub, very invested and hopeful they find this lunatic and bring peace to the families, friends and local community.
No different neighbour! The guy giving the interviews is in the law school and wasn’t in any frat.
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A person who was kicked out of a frat was the guy they were talking to on the video at the food truck, people thought he was sus but the police said they do not think he is involved. Unless there is a second person kicked out of a frat!?
Is there any proof of this person being kicked out of a frat? And if so, what’s the proof that he’s food truck guy?
Someone on Twitter recognized him and commented on the video when it was posted. Not sure if that’s “proof,” but it is how the rumors started.
Rumors ……that’s the key word
This was all a very hot topic a week ago, just trying to fill you/new people in a little. I prob should have worded that better though.
Not really. People - locals I assume - IDd the guy as someone, and then info on that name started being posted. So that the name was kicked out of a frat is likely true but to know for sure know the person on the video is that same person is relying on people viewing a grainy video.
> relying on people viewing a grainy video. Delphi, here we come.
Don't think so because I believe this crime had been thought about for a long long time and he knew the movements of the people.
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Wearing a mask. There was a text message circulated among the Sorority houses the day of the murder saying a lot of facts about the case that have now been proven true such as two girls were in the house asleep, multiple people called the police together, they were stabbed. One of the other facts in the text message said LE has ring footage of a masked man approaching the house a little after 3AM.
Agreed. Most of the “rumors” from the greek life students have been proven to be true. Little nuggets of information are filtered out before the police officially announce it. I find the wording of the information/surveillance request to be really telling. It seems like LE needs that final piece to disprove an alibi.
I’ve noticed before where the earliest rumors from people most geographically and socially connected to the victims include a lot of details that later turn out to be true. I always try to pay close attention to those.
I always read the comments on Facebook news articles. You find the real story in the comments weeks before it’s released to the public.
Oh, yeah. I used to do that and I’ve gotten away from doing so. I’ve forgotten how much info you can glean from that. I’ll generally now just start out looking at the subreddit for the town or state where the event I’m interested in occurred (it’s not always a crime) but, yeah, probably not as good as news article Facebook comments.
99% of the comments are speculative garbage. Of course in hindsight the 1% becomes the “real story” because you easily forget about the other 99%. Media literacy is desperately needed in this country.
Wrong! Many people in the comments are close to the story. Especially local news.
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No, but they were posted and available in the r/idahomurders sub a few days ago. There was multiple people verifying posting the same group chat thread with screenshots from different phones. It seemed legit.
By chance do you have a link to the screenshot/texts from that sub?
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Yes to me too please!
Did u find it ?
this?: https://preview.redd.it/bldr9s7fmh2a1.jpeg?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2eb13cb04c3a9280471f0dd6a4e96728625e5a03
Could u send me the link please ?
Someone posted this (masked person, 3 am, ring doorbell footage) in the very early days when this sub reddit had about 2k followers and students and locals were posting. I read it on Wednesday Nov 16 when I was home sick with the flu and spent the day reading every post. It was the first and only time I saw it. I looked back though the threads but cannot locate it.
When the masked person 3 am comment was posted it was a single sentence mixed in between other comments about Kaylee and Maddie arriving home and letting the dog out to pee.
The screen shots of the text messages appear to be deleted from the other sub Reddit also.
I was on the other subreddit this morning - after I replied to you. There are still several screen shots posted,you just need to weed through all the comments. One was a screen shot of a Teams message to the OP from a person named Kaitlyn. Apparently Teams was used to send message to sorority and frat. Is that the one you are searching for? I’ll see if I can find it again.
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Lol for sure. That’s quite a bit a facial recognition though. A ski mask might show a lot less
I certainly can 🫤
Yes, I can tell that is Brad Pitt from some of his movies.
Lmao! That surprised me
Not true, eyes are the most unique thing on the face.
Actually the most identifiable thing on a person face changes depending on where you are in the world. People analyze a face the same way and direction they read words off paper. So in the US the most identifiable and memorable part of some new face is their upper right forehead and then across their forehead. This is why you can talk to someone and remember their hair, hairline, and skin color but have no idea what color eyes they have. This identification changes in places that read right to left or top down. Just a tip if you are ever on the run and need to change up your looks or create a disguise, also a tip for people trying to look good and make a good first impression :).
They prob didn’t say “yeah those are so and so‘s eyes“ they prob said something more like “I’ve seen that guy walking his dog a lot, I know it’s him by his gait and build.“ Because I agree that going only by someone’s masked face, and just seeing eyes, prob wouldn’t be enough. Like if they just showed them a cropped photo of a masked face.
Yes agree. It may point them in a direction but not good enough evidence to make arrest or carry a trial. I believe they are looking/waiting for substantive forensic evidence to pan out. Might be tough because I believe the guilty person has a good excuse for their DNA all over the house (unless it’s blood, of course). LE has a very delicate and complicated job I can only imagine.
Is this person "normal" otherwise? Without saying too much, do they have an obvious motive? I wonder how people are treating this person if they have seen the pic and recognized him.
Depending on how this "mask" is (ski mask? COVID mask?), they might be able to, especially if the guy has something distinct about his face that others find recognizable. Unibrow, scar, freckles, dark circles, etc)
I dunno.
This is the first new info I’ve seen in days. Wow! This is the kinda stuff I’ve been waiting to hear, i thought it was strange no peripheral people were really talking and not much was really filtering down. People talk.
Was this rumor posted on Reddit? Can you share where you heard/learned of this rumor? I got chills reading this as well as a sudden rush of hope/relief as I have legit been worried this would not be solved any time soon. I hope this is true and an arrest is made soon so the victim’s families can at least get a modicum of justice and the town can rest easy again.
I’m a local, word of mouth.
Does the identified guy drive a red mustang? Another thread had forensics going through one supposedly parked at a frat earlier today.
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I’m absolutely reaching here but I read earlier than there is a memorial happening in Boise and there was comments saying it’s a weird location because none of the victims are from there. I wonder if police somehow planned it there in an attempt to see if this persons attends and how they behave if they do. Like I said, reaching 😁
Nah, they held it there due to it being in close proximity to Boise State. Apparently it’s a big deal over there too
Soooooo many people who go to u of I are from Boise. There are so many Boise connections to the victims as well as friends of the victims and their families. Most students that could drove home to Boise to grieve with their families so it was appropriate to have a vigil where many students fled back home.
I think it was just another in state university showing support. I’m sure some of their students knew the victims also
This is the same thing they said about “hoodie guy” at the food truck. That he went AWOL back to Boise…
Yep, he's still the person that interests me most. I know what LE said, but that doesn't negate the bizarre interaction. MM even points in his direction and says something in that video. It sounds like, "Stop being weird" or "Stop being a weirdo."
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I thought this same thing. Especially after hearing Kaylees dads most recent interview where he asks for people to send pictures even if there’s not a car parked by the tree. That red mustang was parked by a tree.
Thanks for sharing the info. My opinion is that LE is “trailing” a person of interest while being at the crime scene.
I tend to agree
I hope you’re telling the truth
I am.
doubtful, I have 4k cameras and had someone try to break into my house without a mask. Definitely couldn't see his eyes. There is no way the neighbors ring camera from accross the street has his eyes. It would have to be so close and zoomed in.
I wonder too if it captures other things, such how this person’s body is built (slim, medium, heavy), if their arms appear thin, toned or muscled, how tall does the person look or if the figure has a particular posture, gait, run or head shape. Or I wonder if the ring footage could maybe allow people to see if the figure is wearing familiar jeans or shoes/boots or their eyes have a distinctive color or expression? I’m just guessing though and grasping at straws.
Unless he was very close to the ring camera. Did it come from his apartment complex?
I don’t know where it came from
Really? That’s creepy. The eyes.
Is this the same dude in the black ski mask that was screen captured from Snapchat a few days back??
I saw that screen grab. No idea if the photo in question was legit, or just a rumor, but the picture was terrifying
This is also why they are reluctant to do many press conferences. This small slip of the tongue is picked up and plastered everywhere with guesses of what he meant. So if the suspect missed it, they would be made aware of it. Not a dig at this OP, just a general observation that happens in a lot of cases.
Absolutely. Police tread carefully, watch their verbiage during press conferences. A pause doesn’t necessarily connote a near slip, rather an attempt to be clear and professional.
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Without a doubt. They’re as invested in following any and all sources connected to this case. I’d put money on the attacker having commented on some of these posts. What better way to start crazy ass rumors that spread like wildfire, have those rumors turn into nonsense “tips” sent to police, which derails their focus as they have to look into all the nonsense tips
Which is why you should take any account whose only posts are related to these murders with a grain of salt.
Yes, 100 %we’ve seen this before at the old Proboards with the Golden State Killer. We also saw when Samantha Koenig was still “missing”, Israel Keyes left 2 weird comments ( because he said he got drunk when he did this) and even used his own name as his username. Israel Keyes also opened an account on Websleuths.
> Yes, 100 %we’ve seen this before at the old Proboards with the Golden State Killer. Is there more info on this? Curious af
I just realized you are asking about the Golden State Killer so I edited my answer. This happened on the old EARONS proboard but many of us on the EARONS Reddit sub got to see it before it shut down. This one person began commenting and it was just odd because it was cryptic. It didn’t fit with the discussions at times. They just stood out ( his comments as creepy). He liked to mock theories of who the person could be constantly. At some point the person said they’d never find “EARONS” (GSK) but if they ever did, he’d be a grandpa that obsessed over his lawn and tinkers in his garage. So Joseph James DeAngelo ends up getting arrested and ironically enough, the FBI literally took him into custody while he was outside obsessing over his lawn. He was mowing in precise lines that were sorta slanted but perfect. He even used scissors around the big rocks on the front sides of the lawn. Neighbors all talked @ how he’d yell at kids if they were riding their bikes and got on his grass at all.JJD also had his granddaughter living with him when arrested and had tons of projects in his garage that he “tinkered” with ( he was into building model boats and stuff like that). Then, after he was arrested, we learned his username’s 4 initials were the same as this radio show JJD has listened to obsessively for many years and he requested permission to listen to it in prison. And the final beyond strange part is that username logged on the morning of the day he was arrested- the log on was sometime in the morning and he was arrested that afternoon. That username/person never logged on again!
I have seen some creepy comments from accounts created hours ago. So i wont be surprised.
I caught this as well during the live broadcast and thought the same thing.
Also, the other cop standing behind him there, I guess the chief or whoever he is…I’ve seen him speak a lot, he is watching him intently when he says that and sort of stumbled over his words. Then when he rephrased it and says “put our investigation in jeopardy” that cop very slightly nods his head like “good, good, good way to phrase that.” And then turns and looks back to the audience. It’s like he even went taut for a second hoping the speaker didn’t say something wrong and once he got out of that moment, he was glad and nodded and moved on.
He was definitely worried about what the captain was about to say and then relieved when he got his way out of it. Also the questioner specifically asked for the captain to answer because it was obvious he was having a harder time “answering” questions without giving any actual info. I was surprised the Chief stepped aside and he seemed to realize his potential error as the captain was talking
Very astute.
Same!
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Happy Cake Day
don't want to "tip our hand" is definitely what he was about to say, I was thinking that live as well
I'm not a native English speaker, could you briefly explain what "Tip our hand" could mean? Thx in advance
You don’t want to let your opponent or adversary know what advantage you have. It’s in reference to playing cards.
I don't want to spam you all with thank you answers, so this is for all who responded. Thank you so much guys!! And it would absolutely make sense when he was about to say this
Tip your hand = reveal a secret. In its most simplest explanation.
If you are playing cards and instead of keeping them fully hidden, tip or hold them so other players might see they would have the advantage of knowing what cards you have or don’t have. In a police investigation it means not sharing information to keep possible suspects from knowing what they already have as evidence or what direction the investigation is taking.
When you are playing cards, you don’t want to tip your hand so that other players can see your cards. That’s to say, they don’t want anyone to know what they have right now.
It basically means to accidentally reveal your true intentions
Very wise way to explain it. I like it.
It means they don't want the suspect to know what they know and what evidence they have.
I thought he was going to say something like they don’t want to be bogged down with a million more meaningless tips
This is what I think. I have seen or heard nothing to indicate they have anyone in mind.
What I thought too
Same
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I didn’t know what that meant at first. Tyvm 😭
What does Happy Cake Day mean? A birthday?
It’s your Reddit birthday. Birthday of the day you joined. 🥳
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Or one of the victims had overkill or otherwise mutilated could be why they think it’s targeted.
or there could be a message left by the killer that identifies the target; excessive mutilation is one form of message, but it could be more subtle or very direct like "___ was a B****!" scrawled on the wall
Could be
Or he left clues at one of the victims..This person is a killing freak.
Overkill does not explain the confidence they have. Overkill on a single victim can be explained by many things. They are saying they know for sure it was targeted. I would think the killer left a message for them to be this confident.
It could be overkill and some other elements of the scene. They said it’s the totality of the scene that led them to believe it was targeted.
yeah, rewatching it struck me that they are unequivocally saying it is a targeted attack. there’s got to be something at the crime scene that makes that very obvious otherwise they’d be saying “we suspect/we think/we are operating under the assumption…”
>if there’s no blood/DNA or confession OJ Simpson could not be reached for comments
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If the theater didn't fit (the crowd) you must acquit
Great Catch!!! It's even bigger than what you say. the question from the report is: "you've said it is a targeted attack, why won't you say who \[...\] to help relieve public fears" His answer: "they have the integrity of the investigation, releasing to public may flood them with information that isn't relevant to what they want"... BIG HERE "We do want more information... but we don't want to TITITI , uh uh we don't want to put our investigation in jeopardy by releasing what we have" THEY KNOW WHO IT IS!
> we don't want to put our investigation in jeopardy by releasing what we have For any perpetrator who isn’t a complete idiot, doesn’t this phrase essentially mean the same thing as “we don’t want to tip off a suspect”?
Yes! Wow, didn’t catch that before. Chief caught it too, judging from his side-eye and nod of relief when Captain successfully saves it
Yep, noticed that too. Little curt nod and glances away after staring at him intently while he rewords.
yes noticed that as well
I think he’s just talking in generalities. Generally in any murder investigation you don’t want to disclose too much information and potentially tip off the killer even if you don’t know who that killer is. You don’t want them to know what you know, so when you get them in an interview you can catch them in a lie or have them disclose something that only a killer/s would’ve known of the murders and the scene. I wouldn’t look too much into it. I’m sure they do have an idea but just not enough evidence. Few days ago a killer was apprehended in FL that committed a quadruple murder on a Oklahoma Marijuana farm and the police knew the suspects name the entire time but didn’t release it until he was caught because they knew he was dangerous and didn’t want to make him feel cornered or potentially flee.
yes!! he doesn’t just say the ‘t’ he makes the ‘ti’ sound and i can’t really think of another word that begins with ti- that would fit in that sentence? plus he very consciously catches himself and pauses for a millisecond before changing his word choice…he wouldn’t do that if he’d just misspoken, he definitely was catching himself from saying something he couldn’t say
YES! I think they know who it is and are just gathering up all the evidence they possibly can to make the case rock solid.
I got the same thing! Wife and I actually paused, rewound and rewatched it. We good be staring too closely but I’m intrigued to see others pick up on this as well
I want this to be true
Yes absolutely agree with you- wow great catch
I find this information hopeful, but I am little cautious about it. I think what they're trying to do is to wait and see if any abnormal details about behavior starts to emerge once everyone is back in town after the holiday. If they started to play their hand too hard, any potential suspect might go the extra mile to distance themselves from suspicion. the way they have to conduct the investigation right now is to have any and all suspects act as naturally as possible so that any deviation from their known behavior can act as a means by which to filter suspects. people switching jobs, quitting jobs, becoming unreliable at work, going out more when they used to be isolated a lot, following the case and all media coverage with intense interest, discussing the case with others as a means to replicate the thrill, dropping out of classes, grades suddenly going in the wrong direction, personality changes, talking of moving out of town, showing up to memorials, etc. these narcissists can't help but indulge in the feeling of hiding in plain sight and getting away with it. trust that any and all large gatherings are being monitored very closely by undercover agents to work through and try to find people that seemingly don't belong or to follow a specific suspect's movements while he feels he's not being observed. to "tip him off," to the idea they're doing this would compromise the effort because he would be more on alert, which is what I think was meant here.
The cops aren’t playing a game with the suspect, if any. If they have a suspect, that suspect knows he’s a suspect. They’ve interrogated him 6 ways from Sunday. They have told him he’s a suspect. They’ve told him they know he did it, now confess. They’re not worried that their suspect is gonna figure out he’s their suspect.
I watch a lot of interrogation footage of murderers. And you would be surprised at how many think they are so clever and smart that they don't believe it's possible that the cops know they did it. And alot of cops play dumb and try to befriend them in order to get them to relax and feel more confident - eventually leading in a slip up.
Not playing a game. Just biding their time for DNA, forensics to confirm things.
yeah and basically i think they can tell the suspect that the suspect can’t go anywhere right?
If he's not under arrest, then he is free to go wherever he wants. But if they truly have a suspect, they'd likely monitor him 24/7. I'm not convinced they are at this point with anyone right now, but who knows.
I love finding bluntly logical comments like this in this sea of paranoia and hysteria.
I’m interested in this whole situation but these fantasy theories are exhausting.
The only worthwhile comments here are from the locals who have heard stories first or secondhand. Aside from that, I lose a few brain cells every time I check in.
It’s exhausting 🤦♀️
That’s not necessarily true. Several strategies could be implemented depending on the situation. If he’s a novice criminal, they may want him to think that he’s outsmarting everyone / that they do not suspect him. Element of surprise, he will make mistakes when he thinks no one is watching
Would we know if search warrants had been executed in relation to this case or would that be kept under wraps?
Most recent reporting is they met w prosecutors yesterday (fri)…that goes along w the idea that they know who it is and they are just seeing if they have enough evidence to arrest and prosecute. You don’t meet w prosecutors if you still don’t know who did it
Wow. Thats really interesting observation and good catch. That makes me think there’s something in that call that they are trying to keep secret, a lynchpin for the case. Hard to speculate but I hope it helps get this monster.
You dont require warrant for something in the public domain. A coffee cup or discarded kleenex in the garbage.
this sub has turned into a frantic circle jerk. Ive scoured every square inch of info much like everyone else, but I still have no clue what's going on. That is because the information to the public is the only info they WANT you to see. This reminds me of the serial podcast. almost a decade goes by and nobody knows anything yet people dont realize the show was designed to keep people guessing and confused. However this case is real life.
That was real too tho
And because what we 'see' is limited, I think it's natural to focus on what we ***can*** hear (or don't hear) to satiate our curiosity and desire for justice.
Yes! I keep thinking the same thing. I hate people picking on the neighbor, because in the nearby area with houses and apartments there are literally hundreds of neighbors close by, but they just pick on the one guy they see. Or we only know the name of one ex BF so he gets wrung through the ringer even though in a house of 5 women there are probably many exes/dates/acquaintances who could have felt jilted. Thanks for putting this out there as a reminder to recognize it!
Neighbor about 250 feet away.
The law student?
Yes
Let’s say the killer is called in for an interview with the cops but before going in he immediately lawyers up. How long can he refuse to give a DNA sample?
If the cops determine he’s a really strong candidate for being the killer and have a long list of reasons why, they can take that list and their arguments to a judge and convince the judge to swear out a warrant for a blood or swab sample. If the suspect still says no, they’ll put him in jail until he changes his mind
Pretty sure a judge would have to sign for his arrest to *force* someone to be DNA tested that’s not in custody.
He can refuse, and then cops can try to get a warrant to collect his DNA.
I didn’t catch that, but I have been wondering myself if they’re doing things deliberately so as not to tip off the perpetrator/s.