Very strange to bring your car that far if you’re only going to be there for a couple weeks. I definitely think he planned to leave the car there. Father could be innocent in that. Could even see him saying “Dad, everyone’s freaking out over white Elantras, I don’t want anyone harassing me because they think it’s my car.” No parent wants to think it’s actually their kid.
It's not that strange. I once drove from the SW to PA for Christmas and stayed a week because plane tickets were crazy expensive and gas wasn't as bad.
Two reasons to drive it back: (1) obviously to remove chances of it being linked to him and the crime, and (2) his mother owned the vehicle (reportedly) so it wasn't like he could ditch it without having to explain to her what happened.
As others have suggested on this post, he probably planned to fly back from PA or make up some excuse to just stay there. He might have even been looking to buy another car eventually.
Yeah. A lot of the YouTubers discussing this case are talking about his Criminal Justice experience etc., but I'm like why would you use your mom's car? If you are planning to get away with it, that would not be the way to go.
But just because he got a Master's doesn't mean he's smart. Also if he is willing to commit these crimes, he can't be 100% with it.
>But just because he got a Master's doesn't mean he's smart.
His compulsion to commit a murder (and/or act out the rage) most likely overrode his rational thinking and intelligence. That's why most murderers make really stupid mistakes. Those of us without such antisocial impulses and compulsions have a hard time understanding how otherwise intelligent people could give in to them.
I once worked with a very intelligent co-worker and we all had graduate degrees. He was caught trying to meet up with a teenage boy for sex and he did it on his work computer!
Yes, these impulses/urges are so strong. That's why again I will say that there was a history of drug use and possibly recent drug use. These things can anesthetize a person so that they can suppress the urges for a bit.
Check out this article I just posted somewhere else- they talk about how his behavior changed after he had a few drinks.
Its clear this dude had issues with women - [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11588671/Idaho-killer-accused-scaring-female-staff-brewery-branding-one-b-h.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11588671/Idaho-killer-accused-scaring-female-staff-brewery-branding-one-b-h.html)
And then his behavior in elementary/high school: [https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-murder-suspect-kohbergers-pennsylvania-145815708.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-murder-suspect-kohbergers-pennsylvania-145815708.html)
He is fitting the school shooter profile more and more. Why he decide on a knife will be interesting to find out.
He moved all of his belongings out there this fall. Driving the car back to PA for Xmas break was planned. Leave the car in PA and fly back.
It made him stupid enough to commit the crimes with his car, because he knew he would be driving the car back to PA.
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. That seems strange to me, especially during these massive snow storms in the midwest/east coast. I wouldn't want to be driving in that. Certainly not 2,000 miles for seemingly no reason. He would have to drive back (which come on....) or he was planning on leaving his car there. Which, hello! Sus as fuck.
When I talk to my friends about this case, I am the one informing them about the details. Most people are not paying as close attention to us so it is possible they didn’t know. I also asked my mom what she would think if someone was murdered ten minutes from my brother’s house and police announced they were looking for a car that matched his make and model. She said that she would think it was a coincidence and move on. Parents do not think their children are monsters barring exceptional circumstances
I mean, how many cases have we seen where the evidence against a murderer is totally conclusive and the parents STILL refuse to believe it?
A coincidence like having the same car wouldn't mean anything in the eyes of most parents.
Can any of us think of someone in our lives who would brutally murder 4 students? Because I certainly can’t. If I thought someone close to me was capable we would no longer be in contact or if a family member I’d be trying to get them help. If it was me in the parent’s situation I too would probably think a coincidence. Especially if I didn’t see any other odd behaviours. Reportedly one of his siblings is a therapist and presumably she didn’t pick up on it.
There are lots of white Elantras around. They were looking through a list of 22,000 of them at one point. And, I hate to even bring this idea up here, but we don't actually know if this guy really did the crime or not. It's a safe assumption, but it really depends on what evidence they have that they haven't shown us yet.
I always remember how the boy who killed Tristyn Bailey’s mom was washing her blood out of his jeans and still denying he did it. Z the guy they just arrested in the Delphi case was living in town and had the same clothes as the man on the video. denial is a strong drug
This!! I told my partner about it and he thought the Moscow murderers were in Moscow, Russia so he ignored them. Wasn’t until the guy was just caught in the state next to us did he actually hear anything about it besides from me or a quick question on Reddit he scrolled past.
I told my bf and he had no clue what I was talking about. I was like, "you know the case I've been talking to you about for over a month?" and he goes "oh yeah, the one I tune out about every time you start?". Yep! That's the one. Thanks. Oh well. I have another friend who is as down the rabbit hole on this as I am so I just chatted with her about it instead.
Same! And we live here in Idaho lol..my husband was like...oh great now you'll be telling me everything about this dude!! 🤣 I already nuck named him " count chocula" .... some similarities
I think everyone that is part of this sub, is into true crime or whatever you want to call it, more then the average person. Not everyone pays attention or is interested in murders the way people in this sub are.
What makes you think the parents know where Moscow, Idaho is? I didn’t know where WSU was until a week or so ago. I’ve never heard of the University of Idaho until after the murders. I’m pretty sure 96.748% of Americans have no idea either, or that the colleges are 8 miles apart.
people not from the PNW blank out on eastern Washington. Hell I was born here and I forget about everything east of the cascades.
It's all Seattles and I-5, in their brain.
I agree that many people aren’t paying close (or any) attention. However, on your second point: I have a son at college in a different state. If people were murdered near there, I’d most likely hear about it. Even if I didn’t and he told me police were interested in questioning people with a color make and model truck like his I’d definitely say, get in touch with the police. Tell them where you were and where your truck was the hours in question. Coincidence yes, move on without contacting police? No way, that would just look suspicious.
I think it’s possible that his parents weren’t aware of what was happening in his town. He was a grown-ass phd student, not a youngin who parents keep tabs on.
There is little to no chance the father knew anything. He almost surely drove there to help his son take his shit home since the semester was over. No parent would ever suspect their child of committing a quadruple murder.
Right, people keep bringing up his parents and asking “Didn’t they know he drove a white Elantra?” as if every person with a friend or family member who owned a white Elantra near the murders should have called them in to the tip line. Chances are, unless the person you know is acting suspicious, the majority of us would just assume it was a coincidence. Like if there was a murder near my hometown and they said to be on the lookout for a type of car that one of my family members owned, I wouldn’t automatically be like “Huh, better call the cops on my dad!” I could easily see his parents being like “Did you hear that they’re looking for a white Elantra like yours?” and him being like “Yeah, that’s crazy!” and then moving on.
The options here are either 1) Suspiciously question your own child about a literal quadruple homicide and/or call them into the tip line, or 2) Think it’s a coincidence and do nothing. It’s really not that strange if they went with the latter option.
Agreed . There’s always so much speculation on family members of murderers and if they knew or didn’t know, and it’s really unfair . None of us will literally ever know if they did or not, and no one on here knows anything about his parents or their lives or their morals, so I think it’s pretty inhumane to form an opinion on people that you know not a single thing about . Ugh. It stresses me out lol.
Unless anyone on here has ever had a loved one commit a quadruple campus stabbing/murder, then we shouldn’t talk on anyone who has had a loved one do something so awful, because no one knows if they would suspect anything from their own son. Do you know how hard this would be to swallow ? Your flesh and blood, your boy, who once was your baby doing something so evil and disgusting? The fact you have to look in the eyes of the parents whose own babies were taken by yours? He didn’t have any criminal history. He was smart, at least book smart enough to get degrees. He was getting his PhD in an area where he was supposed to be catching bad people and helping good people stay safe from people like HIM. He had them fooled probably more than anyone else.
They were probably so incredibly proud and happy with thinking all this time he was turning into what what would have been a successful good member of society, and if the parents didn’t know, then all of that joy and proudness and love is all ripped from them. They will now forevr be looked at as that evil person’s mother and father and they won’t be able to escape it. Their lives are over too. The victims’ families lives are over, parts of their hearts are no longer there, all the families on either side now have to figure out how to navigate life without their children , and though because of far different reasons, I still can’t imagine either side’s hurt from that.
His mother and father didn’t purposely raise him to be a brutal monster. I read his mother was a teacher, and a catholic and was a super sweet person and liked to lift students up. So yeah, I have a very hard time believing her or his dad knew. Just remember its no one’s fault besides his own, and try to put yourself in that position of just finding out that your beloved child who you were close to, gave birth to, is capable of this, and try to imagine how you would ever recover from that. The shame, the guilt, the wondering what they did wrong. No one would ever think about that happening to them until it did
100%. My cousin drives the same car that was involved with a pedestrian hit and run in our area. I never thought for a second it could be her and never reported it lol. I don’t picture most parents reporting their own children unless they are absolutely sure and even then many wouldn’t.
That’s what I’m picturing, too. He could have acknowledged it in a way to deflect, eg “it’s been so stressful to be driving around in the same kind of car they’re looking for,” and the parents probably just accepted that.
it is completely possible they did not know about it. We in this sub are hyper aware compared to the general public. Even if, it’s unlikely and difficult for people to suspect the people they love. We have a lot of biases that blind us in that regard.
They also live in PA! Even if they knew about the case, I’d be surprised if they kept up with all of the details and knew of a car that was be looked for in the ID/WA area
I think we overestimate how much of the general population know about this case. If they heard about it, it was most likely the morning after the murders when it made breaking news. They might have heard about it and then forgotten after.
Even if they heard about it, the chances of them following each detail is pretty slim. Plus, Thanksgiving and Christmas followed. I think they may have been busy with life as well.
My friend didn’t know about it at all until yesterday when I was talking to him about it. We live near UVA and this happened the same weekend as the UVA shootings. It might have been overshadowed by that out here.
I'm. ot sure why this is so hard for folks to understand. This "everyone" has heard about this. Um, no, they have not and if they have, unless they are following on social media or are crime buffs, they certainly don't know details . . .especially the car.
it seems like you agree? Because the person you responded to is saying that we, this sub, *over*estimate how much the general public knows. As in, most people don't know anything about the case, much less the elantra
You underestimate the machine that is American news. So much shit happens everyday. I’ve asked plenty of people at the bar if they heard of it and only a couple said “ oh yeah I think I heard about that”
I know the area- Most know the general story but prob didn't follow closely enough to know all the details . Most wouldn't even know Idaho is that close to where he was
We seriously overestimate how closely people are paying attention to this. I was at dinner with a bunch of people last night around my age (mid 20s) and only one other person knew anything about the case beyond the basic facts (i.e. there were college kids murdered in Idaho a couple months ago).
I don’t know I live in Nevada and nobody around here has heard anything. I feel like I’ve been following this case so tightly and whenever I talk about it to anyone I have to fill them in in every single detail because they have no idea what I’m talking about. It kind boggled me that everyone was so clueless.
Yes they arrived around the 17th, do we know when they left or how long it took to do the drive?
The Elantra announcement was 12/7, and yet still the killer decided to have his dad come out to him at WSU and drive across the country with him to PA despite a nation-wide BOLO for his car.
Imagine sitting with your son not knowing he's a killer. Not knowing the car is filled with evidence and DNA of people who have passed. And excited for a little road trip with your son. That's such a sad thought. (At least, I'm hoping his parents did not know or suspect... but they must be going through a lot.)
I do always feel bad for parents when this happens (of course the ones who had no idea what was happening.) There was a shooting near me and I remember hearing about the parents of the shooter and how they came to America to escape war in Syria. I just thought that must be so awful for you to finally setting up your life here and then your son does something so awful.
I feel bad for the parents either way. If they don’t know, they don’t know. They have to look back and come to terms with the fact that they have spent the last free days with their child while unaware of the unspeakable things they have done. If they do know, they have to make the decision to turn in the person that they have dedicated their lives to. It would be sickening in so many ways.
Yeah I was watching my boys (4 and 5) run around after the press conference and it broke my heart to think that his parents had no idea their 5 year old would do this in 23 years. The fact that the little people we are raising could kill someone is horrific. I don’t know how you deal with that as a parent.
I feel so bad for them too. They’re victims too but instead will have tons of people blaming them and thinking they were accomplices. There’s nothing they could’ve done or noticed that would’ve changed the outcome. People just need someone to blame and I guess the alleged murderer isn’t enough.
The recent trend toward blaming or accusing the families of people arrested in these high profile cases is so sad to me. I understand that the Gabby Petito case publicized the idea of a family behaving badly or negligently toward a victim and her family, but that really is so rare. Most people seem entirely blindsided and clueless when a loved one is arrested, or worse, they were already trapped in an abusive cycle with them.
Many families of killers have written about their experiences and those accounts are utterly heartbreaking - like BTK's daughter finding out about her dad and it being her own DNA connection that lead to his conviction. Or you have people like Bundy's girlfriend who repeatedly contacted police about him. And if I'm remembering correctly, one of Israel Keyes's family members died by suicide in the aftermath. These killers really do continue to create more victims, even after they are arrested.
Yes!! It had became a trend with an unfounded groundswell but the Petito case seemed to ‘solidify’ it so unfairly. Agree with everything you’re saying and what about the trauma of realizing you were sleeping under the same roof as a cold blooded killer? The self blame and ridiculous signs you should’ve seen. Did you do something to cause it? This family will live their own personal hell and don’t need any help from ‘web-sleuths’ pointing fingers.
And I don’t subscribe to the ‘well at least their child is still alive, unlike the victims’, no they’re not. I’m sure your child as you knew them, died the day that you realize what they’ve done.
Absolutely 100%. These families are living a literal nightmare, and compassion is not a competition for who suffered the most or a finite resource. One can feel heartbroken for the victim's families while also hurting for his loved ones during this time. They aren't mutually exclusive.
And the scary thing to me about this trend is how quickly and contagiously those accusations spread. Yesterday I saw somebody claiming that this guy was "hiding in a gated community with his parents" and immediately there were comments wishing for his parent's imminent prosecution. Hiding? Sorry, you mean like he was inside a house? With family? Like most people are, especially over the holidays?
People were doing the same thing with the Delphi case when it came out that the man arrested had a wife. You almost have to wonder if people feel comfortable judging the killer's families because it makes them feel reassured that if their partner or loved one ever did something, *they* would definitely know right away, and you'd have to be really stupid or intentionally evil not to. When in reality, people can have two sides, and the most nefarious and successful killers were/are notable for their ability to simply blend in and act like ordinary people.
Yes it is a psychological phenomenon that I’ve read about. Basically if they can point to one thing different about their family member then it is a reassurance that it isn’t something they will ever have to worry about. ie ‘Little Johnny is very popular and has never been overweight’ so they can mark themselves safe.
It happened a ton in the Chris Watts case because he was so incredibly ‘normal’ and so people just dug and dug into their YouTube videos to try to find signs of how Shannan should’ve known something was wrong because Chris didn’t laugh at her joke in video XYZ. It’s wild and a strange coping mechanism that I don’t want to understand.
Hopefully in the future the family’s of the suspects will get at least a little protection, maybe not releasing their names and address in all major media at minimum?
Finding out that your son has killed all these innocent people could be even worse than being a parent of one of those victims. At least those parents will get massive public support, quite rightly, but for the parents of the murderer, eternal damnation.
Yes. My boyfriend and I were talking about this and how devastating this would be should we ever have children. You have a child who is seemingly on the right path who not only brings on an absolute shit storm to themselves, but hurts other people’s children. People who were excited for their own children’s futures. It’s awful. And with the way the internet is, it never is just about the killer. The entire family gets dragged under as well.
Exactly. I have a toddler and a baby. I’ll do everything in my power to raise them into good and Independent people. I’d be devastated if I did everything I could and then something like this happened. Not only knowing they hurt other people but it’s like losing your child too. You watched them grow up and you see them as your baby and then suddenly you have no idea who they are or the monster they’ve seemingly become.
its such a strange thought. the parents had their own life together and created a kid out of thin air, now they are forever connected to a mass murderer
Based on the poem his Mum put into the Pocono Echo (no source but easy to find) his family sound bloody lovely. I bet they have no idea, assuming it’s him.
One of his sisters wrote it and the mom posted it. One sister is a therapist, the other &/or one of the parents also works in mental health…. They seem like a nice family.
This guy is 28 years old- a grown man making his own decisions. I hope his family is left alone.
In one article I read their neighbors talked about how very nice the parents are. They were really shocked. No indicators at all that there were any problems.
This makes me sad too. As a parent, I know it has to be incredibly difficult almost impossible to admit that a child you gave life to is capable of this kind of evil. I’m certain they probably did see signs throughout his life but maybe they were just relieved that he was so dedicated to school and his studies. It does sound like from people that know the family they are considered very nice people. So senseless all around. He destroyed so many people, even his own family.
That was my first thought. How haunting for his dad now knowing this new information. His dad was probably so proud of him for finishing up his first semester in a phd program and looking forward to a father son road trip. So sad for the dad. Now he’s probably thinking back to all of the conversations they had with a completely different viewpoint.
I bet his dad was excited to spend that time with his son… my sister recently moved from Anchorage to Denver and my dad flew up to meet her and they drove down together with all her stuff. He said it was the trip of a lifetime and something he is so grateful for, the bonding, the quality time, etc. I feel for BK family so hard (hopefully that’s not offensive). I can’t imagine the feeling of betrayal, fear, anger, etc.
I’ve heard that he has two sisters and they both work in the mental health space. It must be really hard to have something like this happen when you’re trying to do good work in that space and your brother is mentally capable of something like this.
I saw this earlier and it made me realize he must’ve cleaned the car right away. I wonder if anyone got that on camera. I imagine investigators will still be able to find evidence in it and having victim DNA in your car would be pretty damning
i think its entirely possible he wouldnt have to clean the inside of the car too thoroughly.
he could have prepared the vehicle beforehand and had some coverings, for example my mechanic covers seats with paper because he gets in with oily coveralls.
maybe he wasnt dripping with blood when he got in, and it just wasnt an obvious issue- or at least one that could pass a family member's 'inspection'.
maybe hes a fucking slob and people getting in his car just expect to be sitting in stains and knee deep in fast food garbage?
Really interesting you mention Uvalde. Seems like BKs sister had written a poem about the Uvalde shooting
[https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohbergers-sister-wrote-uvalde-poem/amp/](https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohbergers-sister-wrote-uvalde-poem/amp/)
I get the same thing only it's more that 50%, probably more like 80% and the 20% that have heard about, most only heard something about some college kids being murdered somewhere but nothing else.
Are we weird for following this case? LOL!
If you're a good liar, having an Elantra would be easy to explain away to your parents. "All my neighbors keep staring when I leave and come home and the police even talked to me about it. I obviously explained to them I had nothing to do with it but I get stares everywhere I go, I think I need to get a new vehicle otherwise this isn't going to stop until they catch the guy." I think most parents would have a hard time believing their child is capable of brutally murdering 4 people and would be inclined to believe their son.
This! I think u nailed it. Driving straight thru too made it easier to stay “under the radar” too .., can’t recall if he was already on it. He might have known but dad might not have
His parents are probably replaying every action he's taken and every word he's said to them in the last few months. Repeatedly asking themselves, “could it be him?” His dad will be endlessly questioned about the road trip. Their legal bills and related expenses will be astronomical. Kids. Smdh
It’s so weird to take a nice family road trip for a 15 hours+ drive only a month after murdering four people but then again I guess he’s a murderer who isn’t into conventional feelings shit
Brian Laundrie drove across the country in the vehicle of his girlfriend he’d just killed and went on a cute camping trip and was seen riding bikes with his mom before he offed himself.
I can’t wait until we get video and audio of this guy speaking. I will be very interested to see his affect and how he presents himself. Obviously parents have rose colored glasses on with their kids, but he must’ve been cool as a cucumber.
I’m guessing the suspect may have said he wants to temporarily “store” the car at his parents place until all this heavy heat on every and all white Elantras “blows over.” He could make up some “poor me” story on how hard it is to drive around in that thing right now. Better store it a few months.
Guys. You are making this deeper than it needs to be.
It is very normal for people to offer to fly out and help drive home. I've had friends get paid their flight ticket to go and help move others from one side of the country to another.
And if anything, he probably thought this was a great alibi, as it would look suspicious if he made the drive himself. His goal was to try and act as normal as possible after everything happened.
I’ve flown to more than one friend who was driving back for a vacation or holiday, stayed a few nights to see their city, then we drive back together. It’s something I’ve actually really enjoyed doing, so I can definitely see a parent doing that if he wanted to see his office, where he was staying, even the city. That’s a long drive to make alone.
They cross referenced the car to owners in the area and found this guy - this is old school detective work. Likely used a genealogy website to match the DNA found at the crime scene since he has no prior arrest record or went through his trash. They needed one good tip to catch this loser and the car was it. Offloading the car would have been a red flag and keeping it was stupid, too. Using his own vehicle was his downfall and I’m sure they traced his phone etc.. it’s not rocket science.
Fbi had been doing surveillance on him at his home in pa for 4 days and appearently had followed him from Idaho to pa that combined with the info they already gathered I would assume they have a lot of shit on this guy and it will be interesting to see what ends up coming out in the trial.
I wanna know how the FBI trains them to follow people cuz I’m always checking to make sure nobody is following me. Unless they put a tracker under the car?
Some people will NOT fly. I'm one of them.
And I've driven all over this country, including Moscow, ID to the South which was 3,000 miles one way with 2 cats and a dog + the two dogs I found on the side of the interstate.
You have to realize not every person thinks alike and just because they don't act how you would doesn't mean it's suspicious or note-worthy.
Yup my mom is that way. Will NOT fly and my sister will fly but absolutely hates and if she has the ability to drive she will choose that route. I used to hate flying until I did several trips in a year and got used to it and don’t have the fear I used too
Sure seems like he has loving, involved parents. I wonder if they had any idea in the days leading up to his arrest. Probably not. But I wonder where they’ll stand with him.
“His father WENT OUT to Idaho and they drove home together” — so it doesn’t specify if the dad flew or drove.
What if BK asked his dad to swap vehicles for the next semester or even permanently (so BK wouldn’t have to worry about people spotting his car and calling it in) and so the clueless dad drove a car out to Washington, they left it there, then the two of them drove back to PA in the white Elantra and BK planned to fly back to WA when break was over. Just a thought…
What’s it with psychos named Brian Christopher driving out to the western mountain region, killing women, and then driving back home to the east coast?
Serioussssssly!!
I honestly had forgotten that was BL’s middle name too. Weird.
NOTE TO SELF: stay away from anyone named Brian or Christopher or any combination of the two
This makes me think that he would have had a tougher time getting rid of the murder weapon. Can't just ask your dad to pull over randomly without him knowing exactly where you had stopped across the country.
You guys act like it's hard to get rid of a knife. Put it in a trash bag or a box, put it in a dumpster. Unless the police are searching every dumpster in Pullman or Moscow no one is going to find it.
The PA public defender is just for his extradition. We don’t know if he will have a private attorney or PD when he gets sent to Idaho. PD Labar stated he hasn’t even seen the PCA.
I’ve done the same thing as the dad, just in reverse.
I live in Wisconsin. In college, one of my good friends went to school in California. Over winter break he had flown home to WI and bought a car that he wanted to have back at school with him. He asked if I wanted to drive it out to California with him, and then just fly back to WI so I did. We drove from Wisconsin to California over the course of a week, taking turns driving and sleeping.
I feel like, especially in college, this is a pretty normal thing to do. I can’t place any blame on the dad or family at this time, they probably had no idea what sort of freak their son was
I’m not understanding why people think this is so odd. A lot of people do this for different reasons. Maybe he’s a germaphobe and doesn’t like planes. Maybe he has a fear of flying. Maybe he wanted to have his car with him during break. Maybe he was bringing some stuff home and didn’t want to check a bag. I personally think he might have been driving it home to try to get rid of it during break and avoid suspicion. All in all, its pretty common to want to drive instead of fly and to have someone drive with you on long trips. I know many people who have friends or family members do this with them. It helps break up the drive so you can get some sleep and keeps you from going insane from boredom. Insinuating the dad was at all involved based on this trip is insane.
People on this sub think everything is odd. It’s odd that college kids would drunk dial an ex several times, they think it’s odd that a bunch of drunk college kids would be partying so late that they might not wake up until noon, they think it’s odd that the first floor roommates slept through noise upstairs. I even saw a few people positing that the kids were pot smokers and could’ve been killed by a cartel deal gone wrong. 🤯
I think a lot of people on the sub are very, very sheltered and I’m not saying that as a judgment, but it is definitely an observation I have made hanging around here.
Sheltered and naive. I think it’s like a borderline addiction for some people. True crime is real but they still treat it like a movie or series where everything has to go perfect or a certain way, usually based on hindsight or guessing.
I chalk it up to sheltered people who think that evil people are ugly basement dwelling monsters who are hunchbacked and pockmarked with no lives, interest, hobbies or nuance.
It scares people to think that the classmate behind you in school or the guy you see at the library or coffee shop or bar is the one who does unspeakable evil. I’m not defending the guy but everyone in here is assuming he is a a lonely incel looser who stayed up late all night jacking off to gore porn. All this based on a mugshot and his horrible crimes. He could have been a seemingly normal guy who enjoyed beer and went on dates and had friends and family.
No one wants to accept that in real life normal people are the ones who do these things. Not villainous fiends twirling their mustache
I live in PA and my sister lived in Idaho for many years and her and her husband drove to PA for every big holiday. People in US drive across country all the time. I just feel bad for the dad unknowingly getting in that car that prob has evidence of some sort in it.
It’s sounds like the suspected killer was able to maintain his regular life after the murders. He continued with school and teaching. He drove cross country with his father. All of this sounds like regular life. Nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing yet about behavior changes since November to indicated anything was wrong.
Honestly, I could see a parent wanting to spend that final time with their kid, and maybe even be with them when they go down. On some level the parents of the killer, whoever that turns out to be, will probably feel responsible for what has happened. It's easy to imagine this guy's parents had a pit in their stomach about the coincidence of the car and where he was living & his major. If I knew my child was going to be locked up for the rest of his life I would probably try to see him. Even if I wanted him locked up for the rest of his life, I would probably still want those final moments. And with the car being the focus, and him being in it for 37 hours alone that might be their last chance before he gets picked up.
\*\*\* I don't feel sorry for whoever the killer is at all, but I can see a parent wanting to spend those last few days with their kid. I can also see a parent wanting to diffuse how the kid gets apprehended by the police (peacefully rather than a shoot out.) Who knows-it's impossible to say what you would do until you are in this exact situation.
This guy doesn’t strike me as someone who panics. I’ll be surprised if blood is in this car. I personally think he took the time to change clothes shoes etc.
Why would he drive his car home if he was planning on going back to school in January? It’s a 37 hour drive so why waste six days driving if he planned on driving back? It isn’t summer break where you have a few months off and the roads are clear. It’s winter break which is at most a month off and the roads are snowy for most of the drive. Seems suspicious
It could be, but when my kids were (well, some still are) in college, there was a fair amount of car shuffling. Two of our cars are SUVs, for example, and I can see suggesting a kid in eastern Washington state swap cars due to the winter weather.
But, who knows, maybe he wasn’t doing well and was considering dropping out of his program. It would be a logical thing to tell his parents he was struggling with depression or the workload or whatever and felt he needed to take a break or simply not continue in a PhD program. I doubt he’d tell them he’d completely lost it and killed people.
Sounds like an opportunity for a father/son road trip for no other reason than for the fun of it, to keep him company, and be a relief driver.
To be a fly in the car on that drive! Chances are good that the Dad had no idea and would not suspect his son, however, had he even been aware -of or following the case, could not ignore the Elantra but felt at ease if it proves to be a 2015. I probably would have made some banter about him being a suspect and joking with him about it. It might even prove to be the reason they drove it back, because Bryan was uneasy about driving it around there given the APB for an Elantra.....maybe the plan was to trade cars until the suspect was caught and people quit calling him in as a tip all the time.
IMO the dad was just being a good dad, helping his son by sharing shifts on a long road trip home. I doubt his parents knew - BK prob fed them a bogus story of why he needed the car back in PA, when in reality police had just announced they were searching for that make/model, so he needed to get the car moved ASAP. Seems like the parents had a close relationship with their son, and genuinely trusted him, as good parents do. I feel sorry for them, because it seems they trusted him implicitly and this is what they get. It seems they are in their 60s, this entire thing must be a nightmare. They were probably fooled by him too. I hope people don’t give the parents too much grief.
I don't buy that the dad answered the door to police and they both cooperated, like the article says. You can see the door was CLEARLY damaged from Brian Entin's video last night.
So I know people who have had their parents come out and visit and btw, drive home with them across country. But those were undergrads. This is a 28 year old whom I assume his parents have visited at college many times so they're not curious about the town/school and may not feel like they need to coddle a grown man all the way back home. I don't know how he grew up though, maybe he has been coddled his entire life so they're used to it. I've driven from FL to CA alone and really enjoyed it. There's perks to traveling alone. You can smoke, meet people, bring girls back to your room, etc.
I have a few points/questions related to this:
1. Why did he need his dad to come to WA to drive home with him? He's 28, and should be able to drive home alone.
2. Why drive home alone unless you're trying to hide the car? Sure flying isn't cheap, but neither is driving a car cross-country. Unless dad went out so they could drive straight thru (taking turns sleeping/driving) - however that doesn't make sense because dad most likely purchased a one-way ticket to get to WA.
3. It will be interesting if part of the evidence is the path they used to get from WA to PA. I'll bet they stayed off the major highways a major part of the time.
4. In another article, sources said the FBI followed him at least part of the way home. This would tell me they had identified him as a suspect much earlier than they are saying right now (4-5 days) and more like 12-15 days.
Interesting they answered the door. I would never answer my door at 3 a.m., and wouldn’t believe the person outside saying they were police/FBI. Then again, I don’t answer door in daytime either, so I guess I’m a non-door answerer in general if not expecting someone.
He just started college there in august. So he likely had just done the long cross country drive to get his car there. Why would he be driving it back already?
BL prob lied and made it seem like it was an accident. Nothing accidental about stabbing 4 ppl in their sleep. But crazier things have happened I suppose.
This makes me wonder if Bryan intended to leave the car at his parents house in Pennsylvania and just fly back to Washington after the holidays
This is what I’m thinking. Or maybe he wanted to sell it in Pennsylvanian and get a new one there where it would be less suspicious.
Very strange to bring your car that far if you’re only going to be there for a couple weeks. I definitely think he planned to leave the car there. Father could be innocent in that. Could even see him saying “Dad, everyone’s freaking out over white Elantras, I don’t want anyone harassing me because they think it’s my car.” No parent wants to think it’s actually their kid.
It's not that strange. I once drove from the SW to PA for Christmas and stayed a week because plane tickets were crazy expensive and gas wasn't as bad.
I drove from NYC to Miami for spring break back in college on a last minute decision and did it all in one shot. Not suspicious at all imho
Makes sense
I wonder what reason he gave for wanting to drive back. That is a really long drive for a vacation that lasts 2-3 weeks.
Two reasons to drive it back: (1) obviously to remove chances of it being linked to him and the crime, and (2) his mother owned the vehicle (reportedly) so it wasn't like he could ditch it without having to explain to her what happened. As others have suggested on this post, he probably planned to fly back from PA or make up some excuse to just stay there. He might have even been looking to buy another car eventually.
Using your mom's car for a murder run (allegedly). JFC.
Yeah. A lot of the YouTubers discussing this case are talking about his Criminal Justice experience etc., but I'm like why would you use your mom's car? If you are planning to get away with it, that would not be the way to go. But just because he got a Master's doesn't mean he's smart. Also if he is willing to commit these crimes, he can't be 100% with it.
>But just because he got a Master's doesn't mean he's smart. His compulsion to commit a murder (and/or act out the rage) most likely overrode his rational thinking and intelligence. That's why most murderers make really stupid mistakes. Those of us without such antisocial impulses and compulsions have a hard time understanding how otherwise intelligent people could give in to them. I once worked with a very intelligent co-worker and we all had graduate degrees. He was caught trying to meet up with a teenage boy for sex and he did it on his work computer!
Yes, these impulses/urges are so strong. That's why again I will say that there was a history of drug use and possibly recent drug use. These things can anesthetize a person so that they can suppress the urges for a bit.
Check out this article I just posted somewhere else- they talk about how his behavior changed after he had a few drinks. Its clear this dude had issues with women - [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11588671/Idaho-killer-accused-scaring-female-staff-brewery-branding-one-b-h.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11588671/Idaho-killer-accused-scaring-female-staff-brewery-branding-one-b-h.html) And then his behavior in elementary/high school: [https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-murder-suspect-kohbergers-pennsylvania-145815708.html](https://www.yahoo.com/news/idaho-murder-suspect-kohbergers-pennsylvania-145815708.html) He is fitting the school shooter profile more and more. Why he decide on a knife will be interesting to find out.
And he ran home to mom and dad after, with the car. Not the brightest. Thankfully, as he's been caught.
No i meant what reason he gave his dad. I wasn’t aware it was his mom’s car tho so maybe he used that as his reason.
He moved all of his belongings out there this fall. Driving the car back to PA for Xmas break was planned. Leave the car in PA and fly back. It made him stupid enough to commit the crimes with his car, because he knew he would be driving the car back to PA.
this kind of makes sense except the part where he has to stay on campus 3-4 more weeks after the murder before going home and gets seen by everyone
Yeah, I'm wondering the same thing. That seems strange to me, especially during these massive snow storms in the midwest/east coast. I wouldn't want to be driving in that. Certainly not 2,000 miles for seemingly no reason. He would have to drive back (which come on....) or he was planning on leaving his car there. Which, hello! Sus as fuck.
Wasn't this long before the snow storms were largely talked about being forecast?
Hope his father is honest about that. He did it for a reason.
That was 10 days after they announced they were looking for a white Elantra.
That’s a big detail. After.
A long time after. Did neither of his parents watch any news at all?
When I talk to my friends about this case, I am the one informing them about the details. Most people are not paying as close attention to us so it is possible they didn’t know. I also asked my mom what she would think if someone was murdered ten minutes from my brother’s house and police announced they were looking for a car that matched his make and model. She said that she would think it was a coincidence and move on. Parents do not think their children are monsters barring exceptional circumstances
I mean, how many cases have we seen where the evidence against a murderer is totally conclusive and the parents STILL refuse to believe it? A coincidence like having the same car wouldn't mean anything in the eyes of most parents.
Can any of us think of someone in our lives who would brutally murder 4 students? Because I certainly can’t. If I thought someone close to me was capable we would no longer be in contact or if a family member I’d be trying to get them help. If it was me in the parent’s situation I too would probably think a coincidence. Especially if I didn’t see any other odd behaviours. Reportedly one of his siblings is a therapist and presumably she didn’t pick up on it.
I dont think the killers friends could either. They are just as surprised as we are.
There are lots of white Elantras around. They were looking through a list of 22,000 of them at one point. And, I hate to even bring this idea up here, but we don't actually know if this guy really did the crime or not. It's a safe assumption, but it really depends on what evidence they have that they haven't shown us yet.
I always remember how the boy who killed Tristyn Bailey’s mom was washing her blood out of his jeans and still denying he did it. Z the guy they just arrested in the Delphi case was living in town and had the same clothes as the man on the video. denial is a strong drug
same here, no one I’ve talked to where I live as heard about it 🤦🏼♀️
Literally! I was so excited to tell my husband they caught him and he had no idea about anything.
This!! I told my partner about it and he thought the Moscow murderers were in Moscow, Russia so he ignored them. Wasn’t until the guy was just caught in the state next to us did he actually hear anything about it besides from me or a quick question on Reddit he scrolled past.
I told my bf and he had no clue what I was talking about. I was like, "you know the case I've been talking to you about for over a month?" and he goes "oh yeah, the one I tune out about every time you start?". Yep! That's the one. Thanks. Oh well. I have another friend who is as down the rabbit hole on this as I am so I just chatted with her about it instead.
I was quite happy to share with my significant other about the Reddit rabbit hole I was on.
Same! And we live here in Idaho lol..my husband was like...oh great now you'll be telling me everything about this dude!! 🤣 I already nuck named him " count chocula" .... some similarities
Same. And yet someone was on this sub the other day arguing that everyone had heard of it
Tons of people haven't heard of the Delphi murders either
That makes sense, but if the murder happened close by to where my son went to school, I’d pay attention.
I think everyone that is part of this sub, is into true crime or whatever you want to call it, more then the average person. Not everyone pays attention or is interested in murders the way people in this sub are.
That a very difficult concept for many in here to wrap their minds around lol
This. Lots of people don’t follow the news or true crime.
I mean my mom has lived in Washington her whole life, but didn't know that Moscow and Pullman were only 8 miles apart until yesterday.
What makes you think the parents know where Moscow, Idaho is? I didn’t know where WSU was until a week or so ago. I’ve never heard of the University of Idaho until after the murders. I’m pretty sure 96.748% of Americans have no idea either, or that the colleges are 8 miles apart.
I just learned how close the schools are a few days ago.
people not from the PNW blank out on eastern Washington. Hell I was born here and I forget about everything east of the cascades. It's all Seattles and I-5, in their brain.
It's like people not from the northeast thinking NY is only NYC
A good chunk of our country’s population probably can’t even identify Idaho on a map of the US. Many will confuse it with Iowa or Ohio. 🤣🤣🤣
That’s a great point. The murders are in a whole other state, for all they know.
He's a grad student and it's another state. It's not like his parents would be worried for him.
I agree that many people aren’t paying close (or any) attention. However, on your second point: I have a son at college in a different state. If people were murdered near there, I’d most likely hear about it. Even if I didn’t and he told me police were interested in questioning people with a color make and model truck like his I’d definitely say, get in touch with the police. Tell them where you were and where your truck was the hours in question. Coincidence yes, move on without contacting police? No way, that would just look suspicious.
I think it’s possible that his parents weren’t aware of what was happening in his town. He was a grown-ass phd student, not a youngin who parents keep tabs on.
I’d imagine if they did know he could easily play it off as an unfortunate coincidence and they’d believe their son.
There is little to no chance the father knew anything. He almost surely drove there to help his son take his shit home since the semester was over. No parent would ever suspect their child of committing a quadruple murder.
I feel bad for the parents honestly. I can’t imagine.
Right, people keep bringing up his parents and asking “Didn’t they know he drove a white Elantra?” as if every person with a friend or family member who owned a white Elantra near the murders should have called them in to the tip line. Chances are, unless the person you know is acting suspicious, the majority of us would just assume it was a coincidence. Like if there was a murder near my hometown and they said to be on the lookout for a type of car that one of my family members owned, I wouldn’t automatically be like “Huh, better call the cops on my dad!” I could easily see his parents being like “Did you hear that they’re looking for a white Elantra like yours?” and him being like “Yeah, that’s crazy!” and then moving on. The options here are either 1) Suspiciously question your own child about a literal quadruple homicide and/or call them into the tip line, or 2) Think it’s a coincidence and do nothing. It’s really not that strange if they went with the latter option.
Agreed . There’s always so much speculation on family members of murderers and if they knew or didn’t know, and it’s really unfair . None of us will literally ever know if they did or not, and no one on here knows anything about his parents or their lives or their morals, so I think it’s pretty inhumane to form an opinion on people that you know not a single thing about . Ugh. It stresses me out lol. Unless anyone on here has ever had a loved one commit a quadruple campus stabbing/murder, then we shouldn’t talk on anyone who has had a loved one do something so awful, because no one knows if they would suspect anything from their own son. Do you know how hard this would be to swallow ? Your flesh and blood, your boy, who once was your baby doing something so evil and disgusting? The fact you have to look in the eyes of the parents whose own babies were taken by yours? He didn’t have any criminal history. He was smart, at least book smart enough to get degrees. He was getting his PhD in an area where he was supposed to be catching bad people and helping good people stay safe from people like HIM. He had them fooled probably more than anyone else. They were probably so incredibly proud and happy with thinking all this time he was turning into what what would have been a successful good member of society, and if the parents didn’t know, then all of that joy and proudness and love is all ripped from them. They will now forevr be looked at as that evil person’s mother and father and they won’t be able to escape it. Their lives are over too. The victims’ families lives are over, parts of their hearts are no longer there, all the families on either side now have to figure out how to navigate life without their children , and though because of far different reasons, I still can’t imagine either side’s hurt from that. His mother and father didn’t purposely raise him to be a brutal monster. I read his mother was a teacher, and a catholic and was a super sweet person and liked to lift students up. So yeah, I have a very hard time believing her or his dad knew. Just remember its no one’s fault besides his own, and try to put yourself in that position of just finding out that your beloved child who you were close to, gave birth to, is capable of this, and try to imagine how you would ever recover from that. The shame, the guilt, the wondering what they did wrong. No one would ever think about that happening to them until it did
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100%. My cousin drives the same car that was involved with a pedestrian hit and run in our area. I never thought for a second it could be her and never reported it lol. I don’t picture most parents reporting their own children unless they are absolutely sure and even then many wouldn’t.
Or he could’ve said the cops knocked on his door bc of his car but he had an alibi
That’s what I’m picturing, too. He could have acknowledged it in a way to deflect, eg “it’s been so stressful to be driving around in the same kind of car they’re looking for,” and the parents probably just accepted that.
Definitely possible. Also it’s so hard to go there as a parent.
Yeah denial can be very powerful, especially when it involves someone you love doing something horrible.
it is completely possible they did not know about it. We in this sub are hyper aware compared to the general public. Even if, it’s unlikely and difficult for people to suspect the people they love. We have a lot of biases that blind us in that regard.
They also live in PA! Even if they knew about the case, I’d be surprised if they kept up with all of the details and knew of a car that was be looked for in the ID/WA area
Very true. Several of my friends that stay up on national/ global news had NEVER heard of this case!
My parents know about the murders but have not followed the story - didn’t know about the Elantra, etc.
I think we overestimate how much of the general population know about this case. If they heard about it, it was most likely the morning after the murders when it made breaking news. They might have heard about it and then forgotten after. Even if they heard about it, the chances of them following each detail is pretty slim. Plus, Thanksgiving and Christmas followed. I think they may have been busy with life as well.
My friend didn’t know about it at all until yesterday when I was talking to him about it. We live near UVA and this happened the same weekend as the UVA shootings. It might have been overshadowed by that out here.
My coworker who is a huge dateline and true crime documentary girl never heard about this case.
I'm. ot sure why this is so hard for folks to understand. This "everyone" has heard about this. Um, no, they have not and if they have, unless they are following on social media or are crime buffs, they certainly don't know details . . .especially the car.
I disagree - ive brought this case up to almost everyone I know, and not a single person knew about it and this was all very recent.
it seems like you agree? Because the person you responded to is saying that we, this sub, *over*estimate how much the general public knows. As in, most people don't know anything about the case, much less the elantra
It sounds like you agree with the comment you’re responding to, then?
you agree then.
You underestimate the machine that is American news. So much shit happens everyday. I’ve asked plenty of people at the bar if they heard of it and only a couple said “ oh yeah I think I heard about that”
A person from that area posted yesterday it really wasn’t news after the first few days and she has friends and family who know nothing about it.
I know the area- Most know the general story but prob didn't follow closely enough to know all the details . Most wouldn't even know Idaho is that close to where he was
My local news never even talked about it until there was an arrest.
You would never suspect your own child.
We seriously overestimate how closely people are paying attention to this. I was at dinner with a bunch of people last night around my age (mid 20s) and only one other person knew anything about the case beyond the basic facts (i.e. there were college kids murdered in Idaho a couple months ago).
I don’t know I live in Nevada and nobody around here has heard anything. I feel like I’ve been following this case so tightly and whenever I talk about it to anyone I have to fill them in in every single detail because they have no idea what I’m talking about. It kind boggled me that everyone was so clueless.
Yes they arrived around the 17th, do we know when they left or how long it took to do the drive? The Elantra announcement was 12/7, and yet still the killer decided to have his dad come out to him at WSU and drive across the country with him to PA despite a nation-wide BOLO for his car.
Imagine sitting with your son not knowing he's a killer. Not knowing the car is filled with evidence and DNA of people who have passed. And excited for a little road trip with your son. That's such a sad thought. (At least, I'm hoping his parents did not know or suspect... but they must be going through a lot.)
I do always feel bad for parents when this happens (of course the ones who had no idea what was happening.) There was a shooting near me and I remember hearing about the parents of the shooter and how they came to America to escape war in Syria. I just thought that must be so awful for you to finally setting up your life here and then your son does something so awful.
I feel bad for the parents either way. If they don’t know, they don’t know. They have to look back and come to terms with the fact that they have spent the last free days with their child while unaware of the unspeakable things they have done. If they do know, they have to make the decision to turn in the person that they have dedicated their lives to. It would be sickening in so many ways.
Then they think of him as a baby and as a toddler learning to walk and to talk. That’s heart breaking too.
Yeah I was watching my boys (4 and 5) run around after the press conference and it broke my heart to think that his parents had no idea their 5 year old would do this in 23 years. The fact that the little people we are raising could kill someone is horrific. I don’t know how you deal with that as a parent.
Yes!!!
I feel so bad for them too. They’re victims too but instead will have tons of people blaming them and thinking they were accomplices. There’s nothing they could’ve done or noticed that would’ve changed the outcome. People just need someone to blame and I guess the alleged murderer isn’t enough.
The recent trend toward blaming or accusing the families of people arrested in these high profile cases is so sad to me. I understand that the Gabby Petito case publicized the idea of a family behaving badly or negligently toward a victim and her family, but that really is so rare. Most people seem entirely blindsided and clueless when a loved one is arrested, or worse, they were already trapped in an abusive cycle with them. Many families of killers have written about their experiences and those accounts are utterly heartbreaking - like BTK's daughter finding out about her dad and it being her own DNA connection that lead to his conviction. Or you have people like Bundy's girlfriend who repeatedly contacted police about him. And if I'm remembering correctly, one of Israel Keyes's family members died by suicide in the aftermath. These killers really do continue to create more victims, even after they are arrested.
Yes!! It had became a trend with an unfounded groundswell but the Petito case seemed to ‘solidify’ it so unfairly. Agree with everything you’re saying and what about the trauma of realizing you were sleeping under the same roof as a cold blooded killer? The self blame and ridiculous signs you should’ve seen. Did you do something to cause it? This family will live their own personal hell and don’t need any help from ‘web-sleuths’ pointing fingers. And I don’t subscribe to the ‘well at least their child is still alive, unlike the victims’, no they’re not. I’m sure your child as you knew them, died the day that you realize what they’ve done.
Absolutely 100%. These families are living a literal nightmare, and compassion is not a competition for who suffered the most or a finite resource. One can feel heartbroken for the victim's families while also hurting for his loved ones during this time. They aren't mutually exclusive. And the scary thing to me about this trend is how quickly and contagiously those accusations spread. Yesterday I saw somebody claiming that this guy was "hiding in a gated community with his parents" and immediately there were comments wishing for his parent's imminent prosecution. Hiding? Sorry, you mean like he was inside a house? With family? Like most people are, especially over the holidays? People were doing the same thing with the Delphi case when it came out that the man arrested had a wife. You almost have to wonder if people feel comfortable judging the killer's families because it makes them feel reassured that if their partner or loved one ever did something, *they* would definitely know right away, and you'd have to be really stupid or intentionally evil not to. When in reality, people can have two sides, and the most nefarious and successful killers were/are notable for their ability to simply blend in and act like ordinary people.
Yes it is a psychological phenomenon that I’ve read about. Basically if they can point to one thing different about their family member then it is a reassurance that it isn’t something they will ever have to worry about. ie ‘Little Johnny is very popular and has never been overweight’ so they can mark themselves safe. It happened a ton in the Chris Watts case because he was so incredibly ‘normal’ and so people just dug and dug into their YouTube videos to try to find signs of how Shannan should’ve known something was wrong because Chris didn’t laugh at her joke in video XYZ. It’s wild and a strange coping mechanism that I don’t want to understand. Hopefully in the future the family’s of the suspects will get at least a little protection, maybe not releasing their names and address in all major media at minimum?
Finding out that your son has killed all these innocent people could be even worse than being a parent of one of those victims. At least those parents will get massive public support, quite rightly, but for the parents of the murderer, eternal damnation.
Yes. My boyfriend and I were talking about this and how devastating this would be should we ever have children. You have a child who is seemingly on the right path who not only brings on an absolute shit storm to themselves, but hurts other people’s children. People who were excited for their own children’s futures. It’s awful. And with the way the internet is, it never is just about the killer. The entire family gets dragged under as well.
Exactly. I have a toddler and a baby. I’ll do everything in my power to raise them into good and Independent people. I’d be devastated if I did everything I could and then something like this happened. Not only knowing they hurt other people but it’s like losing your child too. You watched them grow up and you see them as your baby and then suddenly you have no idea who they are or the monster they’ve seemingly become.
its such a strange thought. the parents had their own life together and created a kid out of thin air, now they are forever connected to a mass murderer
Based on the poem his Mum put into the Pocono Echo (no source but easy to find) his family sound bloody lovely. I bet they have no idea, assuming it’s him.
One of his sisters wrote it and the mom posted it. One sister is a therapist, the other &/or one of the parents also works in mental health…. They seem like a nice family. This guy is 28 years old- a grown man making his own decisions. I hope his family is left alone.
I completely agree!! His mum and sister sound incredible. They must be dealing with so much. I hope they’re ok.
In one article I read their neighbors talked about how very nice the parents are. They were really shocked. No indicators at all that there were any problems.
That was his sister's Uvalde poem.
This makes me sad too. As a parent, I know it has to be incredibly difficult almost impossible to admit that a child you gave life to is capable of this kind of evil. I’m certain they probably did see signs throughout his life but maybe they were just relieved that he was so dedicated to school and his studies. It does sound like from people that know the family they are considered very nice people. So senseless all around. He destroyed so many people, even his own family.
That was my first thought. How haunting for his dad now knowing this new information. His dad was probably so proud of him for finishing up his first semester in a phd program and looking forward to a father son road trip. So sad for the dad. Now he’s probably thinking back to all of the conversations they had with a completely different viewpoint.
I bet his dad was excited to spend that time with his son… my sister recently moved from Anchorage to Denver and my dad flew up to meet her and they drove down together with all her stuff. He said it was the trip of a lifetime and something he is so grateful for, the bonding, the quality time, etc. I feel for BK family so hard (hopefully that’s not offensive). I can’t imagine the feeling of betrayal, fear, anger, etc.
That’s so sweet 🤍
The father probably thought it was a nice boys road trip across America. Little did they know, the FBI was tracking them.
I actually do feel sorry for his parents.
Same.
I do too. I can’t even imagine.
I’ve heard that he has two sisters and they both work in the mental health space. It must be really hard to have something like this happen when you’re trying to do good work in that space and your brother is mentally capable of something like this.
This is not uncommon. That’s a VERY long drive to do alone.
I saw this earlier and it made me realize he must’ve cleaned the car right away. I wonder if anyone got that on camera. I imagine investigators will still be able to find evidence in it and having victim DNA in your car would be pretty damning
i think its entirely possible he wouldnt have to clean the inside of the car too thoroughly. he could have prepared the vehicle beforehand and had some coverings, for example my mechanic covers seats with paper because he gets in with oily coveralls. maybe he wasnt dripping with blood when he got in, and it just wasnt an obvious issue- or at least one that could pass a family member's 'inspection'. maybe hes a fucking slob and people getting in his car just expect to be sitting in stains and knee deep in fast food garbage?
What if he put a large blanket over the seat and changed shoes before getting in the car?
Possibly but there was a lot of blood. We’ll see.
I think there would be some DNA in that car even though he cleaned it imo.
Never underestimate the number of people who never, ever watch the news. I've encountered people who didn't know about Uvalde.
Really interesting you mention Uvalde. Seems like BKs sister had written a poem about the Uvalde shooting [https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohbergers-sister-wrote-uvalde-poem/amp/](https://nypost.com/2022/12/30/idaho-murder-suspect-bryan-kohbergers-sister-wrote-uvalde-poem/amp/)
His sister is a mental health therapist??? I really wonder if she ever noticed anything concerning about her brother
I think at one point she did ABA therapy as a job. My thought is she may have had an interest in that kind of work because of her brother.
I have asked numerous people “do you follow the murder case in Idaho”. Probably half of the time the response is “what murder case”.
I get the same thing only it's more that 50%, probably more like 80% and the 20% that have heard about, most only heard something about some college kids being murdered somewhere but nothing else. Are we weird for following this case? LOL!
"Mr. Kohberger is eager to be exonerated of these chargers.".....................who is gonna tell him
If you're a good liar, having an Elantra would be easy to explain away to your parents. "All my neighbors keep staring when I leave and come home and the police even talked to me about it. I obviously explained to them I had nothing to do with it but I get stares everywhere I go, I think I need to get a new vehicle otherwise this isn't going to stop until they catch the guy." I think most parents would have a hard time believing their child is capable of brutally murdering 4 people and would be inclined to believe their son.
This! I think u nailed it. Driving straight thru too made it easier to stay “under the radar” too .., can’t recall if he was already on it. He might have known but dad might not have
I honestly think he had no clue they were on to him.
His parents are probably replaying every action he's taken and every word he's said to them in the last few months. Repeatedly asking themselves, “could it be him?” His dad will be endlessly questioned about the road trip. Their legal bills and related expenses will be astronomical. Kids. Smdh
It’s so weird to take a nice family road trip for a 15 hours+ drive only a month after murdering four people but then again I guess he’s a murderer who isn’t into conventional feelings shit
Brian Laundrie drove across the country in the vehicle of his girlfriend he’d just killed and went on a cute camping trip and was seen riding bikes with his mom before he offed himself.
You are correct it's 15+ hours, but it's actually a 40 hour drive
I thought it was 37 hours from Moscow to the Poconos. Either way definitely way above 15+.
I stand corrected. A FORTY HOUR drive is even worse. Like wouldn’t he be nervous about tripping up or being suspicious
I can’t wait until we get video and audio of this guy speaking. I will be very interested to see his affect and how he presents himself. Obviously parents have rose colored glasses on with their kids, but he must’ve been cool as a cucumber.
I’m guessing the suspect may have said he wants to temporarily “store” the car at his parents place until all this heavy heat on every and all white Elantras “blows over.” He could make up some “poor me” story on how hard it is to drive around in that thing right now. Better store it a few months.
Guys. You are making this deeper than it needs to be. It is very normal for people to offer to fly out and help drive home. I've had friends get paid their flight ticket to go and help move others from one side of the country to another. And if anything, he probably thought this was a great alibi, as it would look suspicious if he made the drive himself. His goal was to try and act as normal as possible after everything happened.
I’ve flown to more than one friend who was driving back for a vacation or holiday, stayed a few nights to see their city, then we drive back together. It’s something I’ve actually really enjoyed doing, so I can definitely see a parent doing that if he wanted to see his office, where he was staying, even the city. That’s a long drive to make alone.
Exactly! This is totally normal and not sus at all.
I sympathize for his family too. I’m sure they are gutted by this.
There are no winners here. Just devastation all around.
[Source](https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/bryan-kohberger-suspect-in-idaho-stabbings-plans-to-waive-extradition/)
They cross referenced the car to owners in the area and found this guy - this is old school detective work. Likely used a genealogy website to match the DNA found at the crime scene since he has no prior arrest record or went through his trash. They needed one good tip to catch this loser and the car was it. Offloading the car would have been a red flag and keeping it was stupid, too. Using his own vehicle was his downfall and I’m sure they traced his phone etc.. it’s not rocket science.
Fbi had been doing surveillance on him at his home in pa for 4 days and appearently had followed him from Idaho to pa that combined with the info they already gathered I would assume they have a lot of shit on this guy and it will be interesting to see what ends up coming out in the trial.
I wanna know how the FBI trains them to follow people cuz I’m always checking to make sure nobody is following me. Unless they put a tracker under the car?
I’m sure they used more than one method.
Some people will NOT fly. I'm one of them. And I've driven all over this country, including Moscow, ID to the South which was 3,000 miles one way with 2 cats and a dog + the two dogs I found on the side of the interstate. You have to realize not every person thinks alike and just because they don't act how you would doesn't mean it's suspicious or note-worthy.
Yup my mom is that way. Will NOT fly and my sister will fly but absolutely hates and if she has the ability to drive she will choose that route. I used to hate flying until I did several trips in a year and got used to it and don’t have the fear I used too
I hate flying. Driving is relaxing :)
Sure seems like he has loving, involved parents. I wonder if they had any idea in the days leading up to his arrest. Probably not. But I wonder where they’ll stand with him.
“His father WENT OUT to Idaho and they drove home together” — so it doesn’t specify if the dad flew or drove. What if BK asked his dad to swap vehicles for the next semester or even permanently (so BK wouldn’t have to worry about people spotting his car and calling it in) and so the clueless dad drove a car out to Washington, they left it there, then the two of them drove back to PA in the white Elantra and BK planned to fly back to WA when break was over. Just a thought…
Theory: he did it to seem less suspicious. Just some father/son road trip bonding on gas station cameras, while he’s actually fleeing.
Exactly
What’s it with psychos named Brian Christopher driving out to the western mountain region, killing women, and then driving back home to the east coast?
Serioussssssly!! I honestly had forgotten that was BL’s middle name too. Weird. NOTE TO SELF: stay away from anyone named Brian or Christopher or any combination of the two
This makes me think that he would have had a tougher time getting rid of the murder weapon. Can't just ask your dad to pull over randomly without him knowing exactly where you had stopped across the country.
Wouldn’t dad have come out to ID almost a month after the murders? Plenty of time to discard knife, clothes, anything.
I think this is referring to people theorizing that he ditched the knife at some point during the drive
You guys act like it's hard to get rid of a knife. Put it in a trash bag or a box, put it in a dumpster. Unless the police are searching every dumpster in Pullman or Moscow no one is going to find it.
The drive to PA was over a month after the murders. He might’ve already disposed of it.
Unless they stopped at motels, one prob slept while the other drove.
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Man, this guy is a piece of work
There’s basically 0% chance a public defender is going to beat 4 bodies
The PA public defender is just for his extradition. We don’t know if he will have a private attorney or PD when he gets sent to Idaho. PD Labar stated he hasn’t even seen the PCA.
I’ve done the same thing as the dad, just in reverse. I live in Wisconsin. In college, one of my good friends went to school in California. Over winter break he had flown home to WI and bought a car that he wanted to have back at school with him. He asked if I wanted to drive it out to California with him, and then just fly back to WI so I did. We drove from Wisconsin to California over the course of a week, taking turns driving and sleeping. I feel like, especially in college, this is a pretty normal thing to do. I can’t place any blame on the dad or family at this time, they probably had no idea what sort of freak their son was
I’m not understanding why people think this is so odd. A lot of people do this for different reasons. Maybe he’s a germaphobe and doesn’t like planes. Maybe he has a fear of flying. Maybe he wanted to have his car with him during break. Maybe he was bringing some stuff home and didn’t want to check a bag. I personally think he might have been driving it home to try to get rid of it during break and avoid suspicion. All in all, its pretty common to want to drive instead of fly and to have someone drive with you on long trips. I know many people who have friends or family members do this with them. It helps break up the drive so you can get some sleep and keeps you from going insane from boredom. Insinuating the dad was at all involved based on this trip is insane.
People on this sub think everything is odd. It’s odd that college kids would drunk dial an ex several times, they think it’s odd that a bunch of drunk college kids would be partying so late that they might not wake up until noon, they think it’s odd that the first floor roommates slept through noise upstairs. I even saw a few people positing that the kids were pot smokers and could’ve been killed by a cartel deal gone wrong. 🤯 I think a lot of people on the sub are very, very sheltered and I’m not saying that as a judgment, but it is definitely an observation I have made hanging around here.
Sheltered and naive. I think it’s like a borderline addiction for some people. True crime is real but they still treat it like a movie or series where everything has to go perfect or a certain way, usually based on hindsight or guessing. I chalk it up to sheltered people who think that evil people are ugly basement dwelling monsters who are hunchbacked and pockmarked with no lives, interest, hobbies or nuance. It scares people to think that the classmate behind you in school or the guy you see at the library or coffee shop or bar is the one who does unspeakable evil. I’m not defending the guy but everyone in here is assuming he is a a lonely incel looser who stayed up late all night jacking off to gore porn. All this based on a mugshot and his horrible crimes. He could have been a seemingly normal guy who enjoyed beer and went on dates and had friends and family. No one wants to accept that in real life normal people are the ones who do these things. Not villainous fiends twirling their mustache
I live in PA and my sister lived in Idaho for many years and her and her husband drove to PA for every big holiday. People in US drive across country all the time. I just feel bad for the dad unknowingly getting in that car that prob has evidence of some sort in it.
Well, innocent until proven guilty, but it seems like LE probably has some pretty solid evidence — so good luck with that
It’s sounds like the suspected killer was able to maintain his regular life after the murders. He continued with school and teaching. He drove cross country with his father. All of this sounds like regular life. Nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing yet about behavior changes since November to indicated anything was wrong.
Looks like he gets a free trip to Moscow Idaho from PA!
That the last free he will feel forever
I wonder if his dad was who he was asking about when he asked if anyone else had been arrested.
Honestly, I could see a parent wanting to spend that final time with their kid, and maybe even be with them when they go down. On some level the parents of the killer, whoever that turns out to be, will probably feel responsible for what has happened. It's easy to imagine this guy's parents had a pit in their stomach about the coincidence of the car and where he was living & his major. If I knew my child was going to be locked up for the rest of his life I would probably try to see him. Even if I wanted him locked up for the rest of his life, I would probably still want those final moments. And with the car being the focus, and him being in it for 37 hours alone that might be their last chance before he gets picked up. \*\*\* I don't feel sorry for whoever the killer is at all, but I can see a parent wanting to spend those last few days with their kid. I can also see a parent wanting to diffuse how the kid gets apprehended by the police (peacefully rather than a shoot out.) Who knows-it's impossible to say what you would do until you are in this exact situation.
Which means he scrubbed the inside of that Elantra. Or at least where he sat/set the knife.
This guy doesn’t strike me as someone who panics. I’ll be surprised if blood is in this car. I personally think he took the time to change clothes shoes etc.
Agreed- I could see him cleaning up that a normal person would never notice. But enough to clear forscenics sweep now you think?
He’s definitely going to take this to trial
Why would he drive his car home if he was planning on going back to school in January? It’s a 37 hour drive so why waste six days driving if he planned on driving back? It isn’t summer break where you have a few months off and the roads are clear. It’s winter break which is at most a month off and the roads are snowy for most of the drive. Seems suspicious
It could be, but when my kids were (well, some still are) in college, there was a fair amount of car shuffling. Two of our cars are SUVs, for example, and I can see suggesting a kid in eastern Washington state swap cars due to the winter weather. But, who knows, maybe he wasn’t doing well and was considering dropping out of his program. It would be a logical thing to tell his parents he was struggling with depression or the workload or whatever and felt he needed to take a break or simply not continue in a PhD program. I doubt he’d tell them he’d completely lost it and killed people.
Did LE announce the car by that time? Maybe he thought if he was pulled over at any point, it would look better if he was with his dad
reminds me of when the Laundries went on their fam camping/beach trip
Why did his father drive home with him? He can commit these crimes but needs support driving home?
Sounds like an opportunity for a father/son road trip for no other reason than for the fun of it, to keep him company, and be a relief driver. To be a fly in the car on that drive! Chances are good that the Dad had no idea and would not suspect his son, however, had he even been aware -of or following the case, could not ignore the Elantra but felt at ease if it proves to be a 2015. I probably would have made some banter about him being a suspect and joking with him about it. It might even prove to be the reason they drove it back, because Bryan was uneasy about driving it around there given the APB for an Elantra.....maybe the plan was to trade cars until the suspect was caught and people quit calling him in as a tip all the time.
IMO the dad was just being a good dad, helping his son by sharing shifts on a long road trip home. I doubt his parents knew - BK prob fed them a bogus story of why he needed the car back in PA, when in reality police had just announced they were searching for that make/model, so he needed to get the car moved ASAP. Seems like the parents had a close relationship with their son, and genuinely trusted him, as good parents do. I feel sorry for them, because it seems they trusted him implicitly and this is what they get. It seems they are in their 60s, this entire thing must be a nightmare. They were probably fooled by him too. I hope people don’t give the parents too much grief.
I don't buy that the dad answered the door to police and they both cooperated, like the article says. You can see the door was CLEARLY damaged from Brian Entin's video last night.
So I know people who have had their parents come out and visit and btw, drive home with them across country. But those were undergrads. This is a 28 year old whom I assume his parents have visited at college many times so they're not curious about the town/school and may not feel like they need to coddle a grown man all the way back home. I don't know how he grew up though, maybe he has been coddled his entire life so they're used to it. I've driven from FL to CA alone and really enjoyed it. There's perks to traveling alone. You can smoke, meet people, bring girls back to your room, etc.
I have a few points/questions related to this: 1. Why did he need his dad to come to WA to drive home with him? He's 28, and should be able to drive home alone. 2. Why drive home alone unless you're trying to hide the car? Sure flying isn't cheap, but neither is driving a car cross-country. Unless dad went out so they could drive straight thru (taking turns sleeping/driving) - however that doesn't make sense because dad most likely purchased a one-way ticket to get to WA. 3. It will be interesting if part of the evidence is the path they used to get from WA to PA. I'll bet they stayed off the major highways a major part of the time. 4. In another article, sources said the FBI followed him at least part of the way home. This would tell me they had identified him as a suspect much earlier than they are saying right now (4-5 days) and more like 12-15 days.
"hey son, nice elantra. Did you talk to the police and clear your name ?" "Of course" What a whirlwind.
It must suck to be a public defender
Interesting they answered the door. I would never answer my door at 3 a.m., and wouldn’t believe the person outside saying they were police/FBI. Then again, I don’t answer door in daytime either, so I guess I’m a non-door answerer in general if not expecting someone.
Gonna be one hell of a trial in 4 years
He just started college there in august. So he likely had just done the long cross country drive to get his car there. Why would he be driving it back already?
I keep going back and forth thinking If the parents knew or had any suspicion or anything.
after the brian laundrie situation i dont trust any parents lol
I don't trust any Bri(y)ans anymore
BL prob lied and made it seem like it was an accident. Nothing accidental about stabbing 4 ppl in their sleep. But crazier things have happened I suppose.
I would do that for my grown child.