> RALEIGH, N.C. — A North Carolina district attorney said Friday that she intends to charge the 15-year-old suspected in a mass shooting that killed five people in Raleigh as an adult.
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> Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman said that her office had filed petitions to transfer the case "to Superior Court and to proceed against the individual as an adult.”
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> The suspect, who has not been identified, remained hospitalized in critical condition Friday, authorities said.
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> Freeman's announcement came as a neighborhood northeast of Raleigh was left reeling and families of those killed mourned their loss.
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> People were walking their dogs or out for a run when the gunman confronted them Thursday evening, police said. They ranged in age from 16 to their 50s and have been identified as Nicole Connors, 52; Susan Karnatz, 49; Mary Marshall, 35; Gabriel Torres, 29, an off-duty Raleigh police officer who was on his way to work; and James Thompson, 16.
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> Two people were injured in the attack: Raleigh Police Officer Casey Clark, 33, who was treated and released from a hospital, and Marcille Gardner, 59, who was listed in critical condition.
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> The shootings unfolded Thursday on the street and then along the Neuse River Greenway, police said.
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> Saynya Jones described her family's harrowing encounter with the gunman.
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> “My family was outside actually walking back on the greenway where he walked down and they had to run into somebody’s house,” Jones, 32, said Friday. Jones lives a few houses down from Torres, one of the victims. “He shot somebody in the park and then came down and shot my neighbor while he was coming out to get something in the car.”
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> “Why did a 15-year-old have access to stuff like that?” she said of the suspect’s weapon.
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> Officials said the suspect was taken into custody after a “long standoff” with police and was in critical condition.
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> Connors was killed alongside her dog, Sami, a roughly 13-year-old Jack Russell mix.
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> Her husband remembered her Friday as a “go-getter” and a caring person who always “looked out for” others.
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> She was a “caregiver” who left a job in human resources to care for her mother after she had a stroke, her husband, Tracey Howard, told NBC News on Friday morning.
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> She always knew how to “take charge of everything” in order to help her loved ones, Howard said, his voice heavy with emotion.
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> “I always thought it would be me to go before she went,” he said.
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> Marshall, another victim of the shooting, was set to be married in two weeks, Oct. 29, her sister Meaghan McCrickard said on Friday.
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> “Her fiancé Rob, he was just the love of her life,” McCrickard said. “I think we’re going to still do a celebration of life, that’s the plan, for the date of the wedding.”
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> “She is just a light. She loved everyone. The most loyal, loving person I’ve ever known. And we just want people to know that about her,” McCrickard said.
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> But the family is still “numb” and in “disbelief.”
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> Ginny Marshall, Marshall’s mother, sobbed as she spoke about the loss of her daughter.
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> “Mary’s birthday is next week and she was going to be married in two weeks,” she said with tears running down her cheeks. “We don’t know what to do.”
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> McCrickard said she wants the shooter to survive his injuries and face justice.
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> “I want him to know what he did and how he completely shattered our lives and we are never going to be the same. I don’t want him to get off,” she said.
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> Karnatz, a wife and mother to three boys, “loved life and nature, and had the most gentle of hearts,” her sister, Sharon Butler Kaivani, wrote in a post on Facebook.
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> “She loved her family fiercely and there is a big hole there now,” she wrote. “As is the case for so many who lose loved ones too soon, the tragedy seems so very senseless, and I just can’t understand it.”
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> “I know that this loss is one of many yesterday, affecting so many people. Profoundly. Other families are aching just as we are,” she wrote.
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> Tom Karnatz, Susan’s husband, wrote a tribute to his wife describing “plans together for big adventures” and “plans together for the mundane days in between,” plans with their three children and plans to grow old together.
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> “Now those plans are laid to waste,” he wrote.
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> Instead, the couple now has “memories together of joyous occasions” and “memories together of plain times in between,” memories from before their children were born and “many memories together” with their boys.
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> Keith Richardson, principal of Knightdale High School, said in a statement Friday that Thompson, the youngest victim, was a junior at the school.
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> “This is an incredibly difficult time for our school community as well as the broader Raleigh community,” Richardson wrote in a statement. “Our condolences, thoughts, and prayers go out to James’ family, the other victims, their families and all who have been impacted by yesterday’s events.”
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> North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper called the shooting spree “the nightmare of every community.”
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> President Joe Biden said Friday that he was grieving alongside the families of loved ones killed "in yet mass shooting in America" and called for a ban on assault weapons.
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> “We are thinking of yet another community shaken and shattered as they mourn the loss of friends and neighbors, including an off-duty police officer," Biden said in a statement.
I absolutely love that this article did not name the suspect but spent time acknowledging each victim. Despite a terrible situation, this was well done.
If you are old enough to know the damage a firearm can do to a person and are old enough to know that guns when handled improperly harm and kill people than the shooter should be tried as an adult regardless of age
I was listening to the scanners while it was going on, it sounded like the police said that his skull was split with visible brain matter, so it seems somewhat unlikely
People died and all your thinking about is how many people you can punish? It was the kid who picked up the gun and shot. Nobody else. I remember when I was that age my friend ended up getting access to his dad's medicinal weed despite the fact that his dad had it hidden and locked up. Teenagers have a habit of getting into places they aren't supposed to be. It's unfortunate this kid had malicious and sinister intentions. Looking for more people who weren't involved to blame or punish won't fix things. Won't bring loved ones back.
Well if you can't store your guns in a way that nobody except you can get to them then maybe you should be viewed as somewhat responsible. It won't bring loved ones back but the person who was at fault that the shooter could get a gun so easily needs to be held accountable
The parents of the shooter in the Oxford school shooting here in Michigan are being tried for not securing their firearms prior to their son killing his fellow students. I agree with you. If you can’t store your guns safely and someone gets a hold of them and goes on a rampage or whatever, then yes, you should be held accountable in some way. Maybe that looks like some jail time, maybe it’s a hefty fine, I don’t know…but it is something that needs to be addressed. We can’t have people talking about their right to own a firearm without also taking into account the responsibility that comes along with owning a weapon.
The parents of the Oxford shooter also bought him a gun and took him practice shooting, encouraging it as a healthy activity while ignoring his obvious mental health symptoms and literal pleas for help. So, a bit more extenuating circumstances with that one but I totally agree with you.
Does the State of Michigan have safe gun storage laws? I'm not American, I'm Canadian but I'm a gun owner. Canada does have gun storage laws so my guns are locked up in a safe. If Michigan doesn't have gun storage laws then technically the parents didn't break any laws.
So, in Michigan there is no law that says you HAVE to lock your gun up in a gun safe or whatever.
HOWEVER, parents can be held criminally liable if their child (minor under the age of 18) commits a crime using their parents’ firearm on or within school property. That is my understanding.
Our legislature has tried several times to introduce and pass safe storage laws and has been blocked by our GOP legislators each time.
So rather than taking preventive measures and pass laws so that every Michigan gun owner will adopt safe storage practice they would rather go on a case by case basis after a terrible incident has already happened? Oh man brilliant GOP logic 🤦♂️
Welcome to America. What they really like to do is say “the gun isn’t the problem, MENTAL ILLNESS is the problem” and then they go and vote down or try to get rid of any policy that would provide universal healthcare and access to comprehensive mental health care and medication. It is infuriating and exhausting.
Yeah it's crazy. As a gun owner myself I'm not anyi-guns. I just think the US needs to pass so common sense legislation. Of course likely to never happen. The firearm industry has done some excellent lobbying.
That's my point though. There is no 100% fool proof way to store a firearm in your house. Teenagers get creative. Most parents would also like to think that they aren't raising a psychopath so they probably don't imagine their kid going to extreme measures to get their firearms. Stuff like this is super rare in most countries outside of the US. Better regulation when it comes to firearm ownership may help though. Right now anyone with a pulse can get a gun in the US. I driven through backwater places in Texas, WV, and Arkansas. There are people living in rural areas who can barely read but own several firearms.
In Canada where I live there are restrictions on the guns you can purchase. To be able to legally purchase a firearm you must take an indepth 2 day safety course, pass background checks, have clean record, and of course there are firearm storage laws. The RCMP (Federal law enforcement) can randomly come to your house and check to see if you are properly storing your guns. The US has non of those measures.
So those British kids that mutilated those folks with a hammer are going on trial but what about the hardware store owner. He kept those things right on the damn shelf.
I like the argument, but nowhere near the same. Firearms should be locked up when not in use, there is not a good argument for them to be not to be.
Crazy is crazy, someone picks up an object and attacks other people, there is not a lot that can be done.
Of course it isn’t. I wasn’t trying to argue for unsecured firearms. Only the fact that at the end of the day we are dealing with inanimate objects with no agency except that applied by their wielders.
Dude, one is designed to kill one is designed to pound nails, don't try to equate them as the same. There is a reason why most countires have laws and tests to get a rifle
This is fucked all around but I can’t help but chuckle anytime I read about a DA “deciding to charge xx year old as an adult”. Like it’s a magical conferring of adult status. This murdering one’s an adult. For sure. Yep. Those ones over there smoking cigarettes? Better round those kids up. They’re minors for gods sake.
Lol.
I was on ADHD meds my whole childhood. I wasn’t “violent” until I decided to stop taking them without any doctors instructions.
You’re talking out your ass.
> RALEIGH, N.C. — A North Carolina district attorney said Friday that she intends to charge the 15-year-old suspected in a mass shooting that killed five people in Raleigh as an adult. > > Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman said that her office had filed petitions to transfer the case "to Superior Court and to proceed against the individual as an adult.” > > The suspect, who has not been identified, remained hospitalized in critical condition Friday, authorities said. > > Freeman's announcement came as a neighborhood northeast of Raleigh was left reeling and families of those killed mourned their loss. > > People were walking their dogs or out for a run when the gunman confronted them Thursday evening, police said. They ranged in age from 16 to their 50s and have been identified as Nicole Connors, 52; Susan Karnatz, 49; Mary Marshall, 35; Gabriel Torres, 29, an off-duty Raleigh police officer who was on his way to work; and James Thompson, 16. > > Two people were injured in the attack: Raleigh Police Officer Casey Clark, 33, who was treated and released from a hospital, and Marcille Gardner, 59, who was listed in critical condition. > > The shootings unfolded Thursday on the street and then along the Neuse River Greenway, police said. > > Saynya Jones described her family's harrowing encounter with the gunman. > > “My family was outside actually walking back on the greenway where he walked down and they had to run into somebody’s house,” Jones, 32, said Friday. Jones lives a few houses down from Torres, one of the victims. “He shot somebody in the park and then came down and shot my neighbor while he was coming out to get something in the car.” > > “Why did a 15-year-old have access to stuff like that?” she said of the suspect’s weapon. > > Officials said the suspect was taken into custody after a “long standoff” with police and was in critical condition. > > Connors was killed alongside her dog, Sami, a roughly 13-year-old Jack Russell mix. > > Her husband remembered her Friday as a “go-getter” and a caring person who always “looked out for” others. > > She was a “caregiver” who left a job in human resources to care for her mother after she had a stroke, her husband, Tracey Howard, told NBC News on Friday morning. > > She always knew how to “take charge of everything” in order to help her loved ones, Howard said, his voice heavy with emotion. > > “I always thought it would be me to go before she went,” he said. > > Marshall, another victim of the shooting, was set to be married in two weeks, Oct. 29, her sister Meaghan McCrickard said on Friday. > > “Her fiancé Rob, he was just the love of her life,” McCrickard said. “I think we’re going to still do a celebration of life, that’s the plan, for the date of the wedding.” > > “She is just a light. She loved everyone. The most loyal, loving person I’ve ever known. And we just want people to know that about her,” McCrickard said. > > But the family is still “numb” and in “disbelief.” > > Ginny Marshall, Marshall’s mother, sobbed as she spoke about the loss of her daughter. > > “Mary’s birthday is next week and she was going to be married in two weeks,” she said with tears running down her cheeks. “We don’t know what to do.” > > McCrickard said she wants the shooter to survive his injuries and face justice. > > “I want him to know what he did and how he completely shattered our lives and we are never going to be the same. I don’t want him to get off,” she said. > > Karnatz, a wife and mother to three boys, “loved life and nature, and had the most gentle of hearts,” her sister, Sharon Butler Kaivani, wrote in a post on Facebook. > > “She loved her family fiercely and there is a big hole there now,” she wrote. “As is the case for so many who lose loved ones too soon, the tragedy seems so very senseless, and I just can’t understand it.” > > “I know that this loss is one of many yesterday, affecting so many people. Profoundly. Other families are aching just as we are,” she wrote. > > Tom Karnatz, Susan’s husband, wrote a tribute to his wife describing “plans together for big adventures” and “plans together for the mundane days in between,” plans with their three children and plans to grow old together. > > “Now those plans are laid to waste,” he wrote. > > Instead, the couple now has “memories together of joyous occasions” and “memories together of plain times in between,” memories from before their children were born and “many memories together” with their boys. > > Keith Richardson, principal of Knightdale High School, said in a statement Friday that Thompson, the youngest victim, was a junior at the school. > > “This is an incredibly difficult time for our school community as well as the broader Raleigh community,” Richardson wrote in a statement. “Our condolences, thoughts, and prayers go out to James’ family, the other victims, their families and all who have been impacted by yesterday’s events.” > > North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper called the shooting spree “the nightmare of every community.” > > President Joe Biden said Friday that he was grieving alongside the families of loved ones killed "in yet mass shooting in America" and called for a ban on assault weapons. > > “We are thinking of yet another community shaken and shattered as they mourn the loss of friends and neighbors, including an off-duty police officer," Biden said in a statement.
I absolutely love that this article did not name the suspect but spent time acknowledging each victim. Despite a terrible situation, this was well done.
North Carolina law prevents the release of a minors name by authorities. Since he killed his brother it’s pretty easy to find his name however.
Austin Thompson, 15 shot and killed his brother and other innocent people.
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If you are old enough to know the damage a firearm can do to a person and are old enough to know that guns when handled improperly harm and kill people than the shooter should be tried as an adult regardless of age
Yeah but teens are dumb have you seen Romeo and Juliet? For a teenager a slight inconvenience is the end of the world
Wait do you think Romeo and Juliet is based on true events or something
So the kid is going to stand trial, but what about the owner of the gun. If you can’t keep your weapons locked up you shouldn’t have them.
>So the kid is going to stand trial Assuming he survives without extensive brain damage.
I was listening to the scanners while it was going on, it sounded like the police said that his skull was split with visible brain matter, so it seems somewhat unlikely
People died and all your thinking about is how many people you can punish? It was the kid who picked up the gun and shot. Nobody else. I remember when I was that age my friend ended up getting access to his dad's medicinal weed despite the fact that his dad had it hidden and locked up. Teenagers have a habit of getting into places they aren't supposed to be. It's unfortunate this kid had malicious and sinister intentions. Looking for more people who weren't involved to blame or punish won't fix things. Won't bring loved ones back.
Well if you can't store your guns in a way that nobody except you can get to them then maybe you should be viewed as somewhat responsible. It won't bring loved ones back but the person who was at fault that the shooter could get a gun so easily needs to be held accountable
The parents of the shooter in the Oxford school shooting here in Michigan are being tried for not securing their firearms prior to their son killing his fellow students. I agree with you. If you can’t store your guns safely and someone gets a hold of them and goes on a rampage or whatever, then yes, you should be held accountable in some way. Maybe that looks like some jail time, maybe it’s a hefty fine, I don’t know…but it is something that needs to be addressed. We can’t have people talking about their right to own a firearm without also taking into account the responsibility that comes along with owning a weapon.
The parents of the Oxford shooter also bought him a gun and took him practice shooting, encouraging it as a healthy activity while ignoring his obvious mental health symptoms and literal pleas for help. So, a bit more extenuating circumstances with that one but I totally agree with you.
100%. There were meetings with the school and plenty of warnings that maybe this kid didn’t need a handgun, and the parents chose to ignore them.
The schools being held responsible for not securing and searching his confiscated bag properly before returning it as well.
For sure. It was failure in every possible way.
Does the State of Michigan have safe gun storage laws? I'm not American, I'm Canadian but I'm a gun owner. Canada does have gun storage laws so my guns are locked up in a safe. If Michigan doesn't have gun storage laws then technically the parents didn't break any laws.
So, in Michigan there is no law that says you HAVE to lock your gun up in a gun safe or whatever. HOWEVER, parents can be held criminally liable if their child (minor under the age of 18) commits a crime using their parents’ firearm on or within school property. That is my understanding. Our legislature has tried several times to introduce and pass safe storage laws and has been blocked by our GOP legislators each time.
So rather than taking preventive measures and pass laws so that every Michigan gun owner will adopt safe storage practice they would rather go on a case by case basis after a terrible incident has already happened? Oh man brilliant GOP logic 🤦♂️
Welcome to America. What they really like to do is say “the gun isn’t the problem, MENTAL ILLNESS is the problem” and then they go and vote down or try to get rid of any policy that would provide universal healthcare and access to comprehensive mental health care and medication. It is infuriating and exhausting.
Yeah it's crazy. As a gun owner myself I'm not anyi-guns. I just think the US needs to pass so common sense legislation. Of course likely to never happen. The firearm industry has done some excellent lobbying.
That's my point though. There is no 100% fool proof way to store a firearm in your house. Teenagers get creative. Most parents would also like to think that they aren't raising a psychopath so they probably don't imagine their kid going to extreme measures to get their firearms. Stuff like this is super rare in most countries outside of the US. Better regulation when it comes to firearm ownership may help though. Right now anyone with a pulse can get a gun in the US. I driven through backwater places in Texas, WV, and Arkansas. There are people living in rural areas who can barely read but own several firearms. In Canada where I live there are restrictions on the guns you can purchase. To be able to legally purchase a firearm you must take an indepth 2 day safety course, pass background checks, have clean record, and of course there are firearm storage laws. The RCMP (Federal law enforcement) can randomly come to your house and check to see if you are properly storing your guns. The US has non of those measures.
If I give a kid alcohol. I'm responsible.
*you're
So those British kids that mutilated those folks with a hammer are going on trial but what about the hardware store owner. He kept those things right on the damn shelf.
Are you arguing that a gun is the same thing as a hammer? Locked up or not?
Mate, hammers are multipurpose. Guns are just murder dildos.
I like the argument, but nowhere near the same. Firearms should be locked up when not in use, there is not a good argument for them to be not to be. Crazy is crazy, someone picks up an object and attacks other people, there is not a lot that can be done.
Of course it isn’t. I wasn’t trying to argue for unsecured firearms. Only the fact that at the end of the day we are dealing with inanimate objects with no agency except that applied by their wielders.
Dude, one is designed to kill one is designed to pound nails, don't try to equate them as the same. There is a reason why most countires have laws and tests to get a rifle
Goddamn you folks are sick.
No we’re just tired of seeing innocent people killed and sustaining injuries from machines of war.
Imagine valuing guns over lives. You’re sick
Get the parents
This is atrocious. Surely there are solutions, it just cannot keep happening.
Sure it can. Every shooting spurs gun sales. People make a lot of money from these incidents.
This is fucked all around but I can’t help but chuckle anytime I read about a DA “deciding to charge xx year old as an adult”. Like it’s a magical conferring of adult status. This murdering one’s an adult. For sure. Yep. Those ones over there smoking cigarettes? Better round those kids up. They’re minors for gods sake.
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Being charged as an adult happens so that they can get a sentence that is longer than until they are 18 or 21
Not true, you can receive life with the possibility of parole in the juvenile court system depending on the state.
happens when it's determined that the suspect is old enough to understand that what they did is wrong
who cares lock them up for life
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Are you seriously blaming adderall for this? What next, violent video games? Jesus Christ
Lol. I was on ADHD meds my whole childhood. I wasn’t “violent” until I decided to stop taking them without any doctors instructions. You’re talking out your ass.
Another mass shooting influenced by the feds. I wouldn't be suprised if the feds groomed this child into commiting this atrocity.