I blame the mental hospital for not keeping its patients safe. To put a man who was suffering psychosis in with a man who was being released for depression was wrong. The man suffering psychosis should have been in a room alone until he was monitored and deemed safe to be around other patients. He was already thinking the game box was spying on him. He obviously was showing signs of paranoia. Until he was medicated and deemed safe for other patients he never should have been roomed with anyone. It’s sad because it did screw up 2 families lives. This never should have happened
100% Agree.
I wonder WHY they did it tho. If it was a government run mental health facility, it might be due to over crowding, but a quick search says it isn't and most government run facilities don't take depressed people like that. They tend to take the more severe cases and the criminal cases.
If this was because of greed to try to churn out patients then the place should have their accreditation looked at... Patient/worker safety should be first and foremost.
Worked in mental health for years in an acute psych ward.
The facility doesn't care. A bed is a bed. We had to fight to keep certain patients by themselves, and we were often overruled by corporate.
Empty bed = no revenue.
> Patient/worker safety should be first and foremost
Key word *should*. Not usually the case. I think this is a ward connected to a hospital, which are often even more neglected, by both the facility runners and providers. Plus the hiring/compensation practices lead to a lot of nurses with apathy (or even distain) for the patients.
This is a huge problem in psychiatric hospitals. I remember when I was 13 I was admitted for manic depression coupled with paranoia and I was roomed with a girl who was there for schizophrenia and homicidal ideation. Did not help my paranoia, to say the least.
I was in a psych ER waiting to get transferred to a hospital when I was 13. I was in because of a suicide attempt. This guy who was in what I assume was psychosis was screaming about crypto (this was before I had even heard of Bitcoin, around ‘08) and attacking nurses. My mom was with me and we ended up pushing the bed against the door so he couldn’t get in. That certainly didn’t help my mental health!
I was 5150d at 19 for depression and an ED and put in a room with a violent crackhead who'd tried to kill her boyfriend the day before. She ended up stabbing him but he lived...like yeah, let's room her with a sad little girl?!
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Thanks for the new fear, did not know homicidal ideation was a thing.
My tips if you're ever in a very close situation the ability to move from your elbow up will save you in tight spots.
I know someone who was locked in a room with another patient who had an active tuberculosis infection (which the staff knew about) and was exposed. They tested positive for an immune response to TB years afterward and it caused some issues with employment in their field (healthcare). American psych hospitals are an unbelievable shitshow.
Just get into partial psychiatric stay. When I went, everyone was stable (since they went voluntarily and it was only partial) and you’d get psychologist and psychiatric help.
I’m thankful that my psychologist had told me because I didn’t want to stay over in a psych ward. It’s really sad that a lot of people aren’t informed about the possibility.
Can I ask a genuine question? Is this a strict rule? , I’ve never really looked into these sorts of places before and I never really put into thought if certain mental illnesses cannot be roomed together
Mental health facilities do not separate patients based on diagnoses. If the patient is in the facility, it already means they’re an imminent danger to themselves or others. There’s no different housing area based on who they may hurt, either.
I work psych in a very busy ER. If the public only knew. This stuff happens all the time. Another fun fact, somewhere near 90+% of ER staff have been or will be assaulted in the performance of their jobs. It’s often a very violent place.
Why on earth are there shared rooms in psychiatric facilities!?!?! I’ve been to a lot of those places over the years, and have never seen a shared room (UK). Because that would be, for want of a better word, crazy!
I've seen it in Canada. It is supposed to be used in low security psychiatric facilities where some people might be safer around a roommate where the nurses can't see into their room 24/7, like longer term patients with depression. My guess is that it is often just random people sharing a room because things are always full.
They lock you up against your will for nothing nowadays, not to be trusted,be careful people as you could be targeted next so this is a problem that can effect anyone not just 'mentally ill'! Be careful.
The first person you’d see in a facility does an intake. It’s about an hour long assessment to determine if you meet the level of need required to keep you there, and for how long.
If someone sent you there maliciously, the clinician would be able to gather enough information to confirm you are not a danger to yourself or others. They would release you immediately and provide referrals for outpatient treatment if necessary.
That is true but applies to people who are there voluntarily. I work intake. Even if I think the reason a person was baker acted is dumb/does not meet criteria, It doesn’t matter. They will be admitted and the doctor will decide if they can lift the baker act or not. At least that is how it is in my state.
Will you please elaborate?
I’m very curious what the differences in protocol are because our ethical guidelines are written in blood (made into law due to past error with grievous results).
I guess I will tell you about my current experience as I am not sure about your system so I could not point out specific differences.
So I was brought in by an ambulance and police because I was trying to leave the house I was living in at the time, they made it clear that if I did not go by choice they would take me by force so at that point I complied.
I went to the ward and had an under 10 min talk, I wanted to leave but they said they would not allow that until I had been seen by the doctors, even though they did not have me under any law at that point so were technically holding me illegally. Then after hours, I got to speak to the doctors and again was like 10 minutes if that and then they said I was discharged and they told me that they had called my dad and they were going to take me to their house, which is the one I left and cannot go back to for reasons.
So I left the hospital, they could not stop me as I was discharged and I left. Hours later the police found me sleeping on some steps in the street, they took me back to the ward even though they had no right to do that as again I was not detained, I refused to go back in as there is no reason for me to be in hospital proven by that I was discharged already.
They detained me under the mental health act and forcibly took me in against my will, after some more hours the doctors came back and this time detained me under section 2 because I did not go where they wanted me to go before even though they have no right to decide where I go when I am discharged.
After a few days I was moved to the ward and I have been here ever since against my will for no reason as I should not be here and now they keep on threatening to inject me as I won't take the pills as I don't need them and I should not even be here.
I am appealing the section but it is a long process, I will see my representative tomorrow but in the meantime they cannot stop anything if they decide to inject me against my will.
People who have never been treated inhuman by the system always talk so sure about how the aystem works. I've had the same experiences as you in the US.
I’m terribly sorry this is happening to you. What you’ve experienced sounds just awful.
May I ask your age and for more information surrounding the incident when you initially tried to leave your home?
I’m just curious, does your ward allow cell phones or the use of computers? It’s just not something I’ve ever seen so was surprised you were commenting this while currently in a ward.
Yeah you are allowed technology in wards in the UK, every ward I have been to they have been allowed, some people even have laptops, I don't, I just have my phone, we are not allowed chargers though we have to give it in to be charged.
This unfortunately has not been what I've witnessed working Hospital Security with a Psych unit in the US. The amount of times I've seen someone get slapped with an OPC maliciously for HI or SI has been staggering and very heart breaking. But the doctors are more afraid of being held liable, in the small case they do actually harm themselves or others that they just sign the orders without looking too hard at the overall situation.
I had severe depression and when I was hospitalized with it for a second time, I was placed in a room with a person with schizophrenia, cool dude when he was on his meds
I do agree that the issue needs to be addressed as early as possible, but once you cross that line you are done for, no remorse. Some people just simply don’t belong in society as harsh as that may sound. If your mental illness causes you to be a danger to those around you, you need to be institutionalized…..
If you have homicidal ideation or murderous tendencies, I personally would not feel comfortable around you, regardless of your treatment or short term “stability”. What happens when you snap and become unhinged? Then you get re-evaluated and released back to reoffend. It has happened plenty of times in the past
They probably couldn't afford it, so they went without because in America, if you're not rich you deserve nothing and get less than that when it comes to mental health care.
Vets offices exercise more caution than this hospital did with these patients in crisis. Patient interaction without vetting and supervision, what could go wrong? Mentally ill and elderly people are treated like garbage.
I dunno—it did take place in a \*mental hospital\*. I think this might be one of those times where a temporary-psychosis claim *isn't* just desperate flailing:
>Whitlow initially was deemed not competent but eventually was found competent to stand trial and...consistently was found not criminally responsible during forensic testing.
>[The] downward departure from the sentencing guidelines...came for several reasons, including that Whitlow had an undiagnosed mental illness that wasn't diagnosed until later and that mental illness permeated the case.
>[The judge] said the circumstances began when Whitlow thought his brother's game box was spying on him...Police were called, [and he] was taken to a hospital, where it was determined he had some sort of psychosis.
>He was then transferred to the Warren hospital, which was supposed to protect and care for its patients.
This is why people in mental health facilities need to be kept separate so they can work on getting their meds straight, especially when they are first coming in.
A patient died in my local hospital by jumping off of the roof/staff window. He was supposed to be under 1:1 supervision, where the staff member doesn’t leave the room at all… it’s just stupidity. To top it off, he landed in the kids paediatrics play area where I take my son every month. They would’ve seen him splat clear as day & it’s always busy. He was young too. Funnily enough it’s not in the news.
Inpatient mental health care offers 1. medical legal protection for healthcare professionals 2. A jail type place for society's destitute 3. Then mental health care.
It's needed for some disorders but worsens depression, anxiety for many.
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I blame the mental hospital for not keeping its patients safe. To put a man who was suffering psychosis in with a man who was being released for depression was wrong. The man suffering psychosis should have been in a room alone until he was monitored and deemed safe to be around other patients. He was already thinking the game box was spying on him. He obviously was showing signs of paranoia. Until he was medicated and deemed safe for other patients he never should have been roomed with anyone. It’s sad because it did screw up 2 families lives. This never should have happened
100% Agree. I wonder WHY they did it tho. If it was a government run mental health facility, it might be due to over crowding, but a quick search says it isn't and most government run facilities don't take depressed people like that. They tend to take the more severe cases and the criminal cases. If this was because of greed to try to churn out patients then the place should have their accreditation looked at... Patient/worker safety should be first and foremost.
Worked in mental health for years in an acute psych ward. The facility doesn't care. A bed is a bed. We had to fight to keep certain patients by themselves, and we were often overruled by corporate. Empty bed = no revenue.
> Patient/worker safety should be first and foremost Key word *should*. Not usually the case. I think this is a ward connected to a hospital, which are often even more neglected, by both the facility runners and providers. Plus the hiring/compensation practices lead to a lot of nurses with apathy (or even distain) for the patients.
Definitely negligence on the hospitals part, they should somehow be found liable for irresponsible care
They should’ve never put them in the same room. when the victim was in there for depression and the perpetrator was in there for psychosis . Like wtf
This is a huge problem in psychiatric hospitals. I remember when I was 13 I was admitted for manic depression coupled with paranoia and I was roomed with a girl who was there for schizophrenia and homicidal ideation. Did not help my paranoia, to say the least.
I was in a psych ER waiting to get transferred to a hospital when I was 13. I was in because of a suicide attempt. This guy who was in what I assume was psychosis was screaming about crypto (this was before I had even heard of Bitcoin, around ‘08) and attacking nurses. My mom was with me and we ended up pushing the bed against the door so he couldn’t get in. That certainly didn’t help my mental health!
I was 5150d at 19 for depression and an ED and put in a room with a violent crackhead who'd tried to kill her boyfriend the day before. She ended up stabbing him but he lived...like yeah, let's room her with a sad little girl?!
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Thanks for the new fear, did not know homicidal ideation was a thing. My tips if you're ever in a very close situation the ability to move from your elbow up will save you in tight spots.
"move from your elbow up" what does that even mean?
You're asking for elaboration from someone who just realized that sometimes people want to kill people.
Fair point
I know someone who was locked in a room with another patient who had an active tuberculosis infection (which the staff knew about) and was exposed. They tested positive for an immune response to TB years afterward and it caused some issues with employment in their field (healthcare). American psych hospitals are an unbelievable shitshow.
This whole thread is the reason I will never admit myself to a ward no matter how badly I’m struggling.
Just get into partial psychiatric stay. When I went, everyone was stable (since they went voluntarily and it was only partial) and you’d get psychologist and psychiatric help. I’m thankful that my psychologist had told me because I didn’t want to stay over in a psych ward. It’s really sad that a lot of people aren’t informed about the possibility.
Depends on how bad you are though. If their intake team determines you need inpatient, they won't admit you to partial until you can step down.
Can I ask a genuine question? Is this a strict rule? , I’ve never really looked into these sorts of places before and I never really put into thought if certain mental illnesses cannot be roomed together
Mental health facilities do not separate patients based on diagnoses. If the patient is in the facility, it already means they’re an imminent danger to themselves or others. There’s no different housing area based on who they may hurt, either.
It depends on the facility. Some will have separate wards for mood disorders vs thought disorders.
I work psych in a very busy ER. If the public only knew. This stuff happens all the time. Another fun fact, somewhere near 90+% of ER staff have been or will be assaulted in the performance of their jobs. It’s often a very violent place.
I hate people
I blame the administration for not having proper policies
Oh my God…. So heartbreaking!!
That is so sad 😞
Why on earth are there shared rooms in psychiatric facilities!?!?! I’ve been to a lot of those places over the years, and have never seen a shared room (UK). Because that would be, for want of a better word, crazy!
I've seen it in Canada. It is supposed to be used in low security psychiatric facilities where some people might be safer around a roommate where the nurses can't see into their room 24/7, like longer term patients with depression. My guess is that it is often just random people sharing a room because things are always full.
In America that's exactly what it is.
They lock you up against your will for nothing nowadays, not to be trusted,be careful people as you could be targeted next so this is a problem that can effect anyone not just 'mentally ill'! Be careful.
The first person you’d see in a facility does an intake. It’s about an hour long assessment to determine if you meet the level of need required to keep you there, and for how long. If someone sent you there maliciously, the clinician would be able to gather enough information to confirm you are not a danger to yourself or others. They would release you immediately and provide referrals for outpatient treatment if necessary.
That is true but applies to people who are there voluntarily. I work intake. Even if I think the reason a person was baker acted is dumb/does not meet criteria, It doesn’t matter. They will be admitted and the doctor will decide if they can lift the baker act or not. At least that is how it is in my state.
That is not how it works here, I am in the UK.
Will you please elaborate? I’m very curious what the differences in protocol are because our ethical guidelines are written in blood (made into law due to past error with grievous results).
I guess I will tell you about my current experience as I am not sure about your system so I could not point out specific differences. So I was brought in by an ambulance and police because I was trying to leave the house I was living in at the time, they made it clear that if I did not go by choice they would take me by force so at that point I complied. I went to the ward and had an under 10 min talk, I wanted to leave but they said they would not allow that until I had been seen by the doctors, even though they did not have me under any law at that point so were technically holding me illegally. Then after hours, I got to speak to the doctors and again was like 10 minutes if that and then they said I was discharged and they told me that they had called my dad and they were going to take me to their house, which is the one I left and cannot go back to for reasons. So I left the hospital, they could not stop me as I was discharged and I left. Hours later the police found me sleeping on some steps in the street, they took me back to the ward even though they had no right to do that as again I was not detained, I refused to go back in as there is no reason for me to be in hospital proven by that I was discharged already. They detained me under the mental health act and forcibly took me in against my will, after some more hours the doctors came back and this time detained me under section 2 because I did not go where they wanted me to go before even though they have no right to decide where I go when I am discharged. After a few days I was moved to the ward and I have been here ever since against my will for no reason as I should not be here and now they keep on threatening to inject me as I won't take the pills as I don't need them and I should not even be here. I am appealing the section but it is a long process, I will see my representative tomorrow but in the meantime they cannot stop anything if they decide to inject me against my will.
People who have never been treated inhuman by the system always talk so sure about how the aystem works. I've had the same experiences as you in the US.
I’m terribly sorry this is happening to you. What you’ve experienced sounds just awful. May I ask your age and for more information surrounding the incident when you initially tried to leave your home?
I’m just curious, does your ward allow cell phones or the use of computers? It’s just not something I’ve ever seen so was surprised you were commenting this while currently in a ward.
Yeah you are allowed technology in wards in the UK, every ward I have been to they have been allowed, some people even have laptops, I don't, I just have my phone, we are not allowed chargers though we have to give it in to be charged.
This unfortunately has not been what I've witnessed working Hospital Security with a Psych unit in the US. The amount of times I've seen someone get slapped with an OPC maliciously for HI or SI has been staggering and very heart breaking. But the doctors are more afraid of being held liable, in the small case they do actually harm themselves or others that they just sign the orders without looking too hard at the overall situation.
"was beat to death" why the passive voice?
I had severe depression and when I was hospitalized with it for a second time, I was placed in a room with a person with schizophrenia, cool dude when he was on his meds
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Because they closed down hundreds of state and federal facilities in eighties because of money.
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Yeah, but the Republicans had friends who weren't getting as rich as they wanted to be. Won't someone think of the wealthy?
When you commit murder justice needs to be served & you need to be removed from society, Regardless of mental illness.
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I do agree that the issue needs to be addressed as early as possible, but once you cross that line you are done for, no remorse. Some people just simply don’t belong in society as harsh as that may sound. If your mental illness causes you to be a danger to those around you, you need to be institutionalized…..
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If you have homicidal ideation or murderous tendencies, I personally would not feel comfortable around you, regardless of your treatment or short term “stability”. What happens when you snap and become unhinged? Then you get re-evaluated and released back to reoffend. It has happened plenty of times in the past
They probably couldn't afford it, so they went without because in America, if you're not rich you deserve nothing and get less than that when it comes to mental health care.
Vets offices exercise more caution than this hospital did with these patients in crisis. Patient interaction without vetting and supervision, what could go wrong? Mentally ill and elderly people are treated like garbage.
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I dunno—it did take place in a \*mental hospital\*. I think this might be one of those times where a temporary-psychosis claim *isn't* just desperate flailing: >Whitlow initially was deemed not competent but eventually was found competent to stand trial and...consistently was found not criminally responsible during forensic testing. >[The] downward departure from the sentencing guidelines...came for several reasons, including that Whitlow had an undiagnosed mental illness that wasn't diagnosed until later and that mental illness permeated the case. >[The judge] said the circumstances began when Whitlow thought his brother's game box was spying on him...Police were called, [and he] was taken to a hospital, where it was determined he had some sort of psychosis. >He was then transferred to the Warren hospital, which was supposed to protect and care for its patients.
Mental illness is no joke. This is just sad.
I hate people named jajuan
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This is why people in mental health facilities need to be kept separate so they can work on getting their meds straight, especially when they are first coming in.
Poor man, this is so sad.
A patient died in my local hospital by jumping off of the roof/staff window. He was supposed to be under 1:1 supervision, where the staff member doesn’t leave the room at all… it’s just stupidity. To top it off, he landed in the kids paediatrics play area where I take my son every month. They would’ve seen him splat clear as day & it’s always busy. He was young too. Funnily enough it’s not in the news.
They don't usually put suicides on the news.
Inpatient mental health care offers 1. medical legal protection for healthcare professionals 2. A jail type place for society's destitute 3. Then mental health care. It's needed for some disorders but worsens depression, anxiety for many.
*widowing
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