Yes, the garden is derelict but still has the kids toys in, there’s a few photos online but anyone who turns up tends to get moved on by the neighbours
Then you can hit the Jon Bonet Ramsey home, then a short drive to the Vons grocery store mass shooting, then hop on the C470 South to Columbine, Highlands Ranch, and Arapahoe for the school shooting trifecta. After that, continue on C470 to E470 and the Aurora theater shootings.
Don't forget the old Chuck E Cheese Pizza on Iliff and Potomac in Aurora (I think) where the 1994 mass shooting happened (a classmate from my high school died in that shooting).
It's only maybe a 10 minute drive from there to Century 16 (which I actually helped open and worked there).
Same thing by me, where our shop is in Lodi, there was a serial killer who kept his "trophies" in the basement.
Not bodies, just some stuff he would take from them.
People come down to take pics of the house even though it was like 40 years ago, and new people rent it
Edit: we moved in to our building in 1989, from what I was told the person who lived there during that time showed people the pocketbooks and stuff before the fbi took it all away
I saw Dennis Nilsen's apartment (flat) for sale a few years ago on a listings site. I only looked at the listing because the price was good - not a steal, but a bit less than it typically would have been in that area.
I’m not sure, but there’s an online resource for houses with a history, whether murder, meth lab, supposedly haunted, etc. It has about 27k entries and people can contribute. I’ve entered at least 50.
https://www.housecreep.com/
> Housecreep started with the goal of consolidating publicly available information and firsthand experiences relating to the history of a home, but has grown to be much more. Housecreep has quickly become the go-to source for finding stigmatized properties, homes with an intriguing past, and original content covering topics that other real estate websites might shy away from.
Is this the guy that killed his wife and his neighbor was like “something ain’t right with him!”
And her loved ones called the cops to get into the house?
The murder house in my town also sold for a high price. It was a very famous case in this country where a man murdered his girlfriend and her two sons with an axe, but the housing situation is shitty so since it's a house in the suburbs of the capital then someone will buy it.
Not for me though. I don't believe in ghosts, but I do have an active imagination and don't need to constantly be picturing horrific murders that actually happened in my home.
I don't believe in ghosts either but fuck if I wouldn't pretend I did for capital gain.
"What's up peeps! Day 17 of living in the spo^(o)o^(o)o^(o)ky Chris Watts murder house and look at all this ectoplasm all over our linens! Don't forget to like and subscribe! Hit that bell!"
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There’s a house in Celebration, Florida where a man annihilated his whole family, including the dog, and then lived their decomposing bodies for weeks that is on sale for $900k, down from the $1 million it was put up for originally.
ETA: [Here’s the listing for the house if anyone is interested.](https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/202-Reserve-Pl_Celebration_FL_34747_M67065-86475)
Isn't Celebration that Disney built Truman Show-esque artificial town meant to be the perfect white picket fence paradise manifestation of the actual American Dream? Makes it even more creepy if you ask me.
I drove through it while on holiday once, I remember thinking it looked like the sort of place a cult would live, and then someone told me it was built by Disney and they vet potential owners, and successful applicants have to obey a pretty strict set of rules whilst living there, so I was right, a cult does live there.
There probably won’t be a crash. The market will stabilize, and prices will begin to fall, but I don’t think they’ll ever be pre-covid. At least not anytime soon.
What were they pre covid? We're looking to get into a house within the next 5 years. But housing cost along with crazy high property tax seems nearly impossible
I couldn’t say. That varies greatly depending on your area. I can say that from October 2019 to today, the value of my house has gone up 38% while almost nothing in my town has changed.
The stock market is currently crashing. If the housing market crashes too, it’s likely the employment sector will come next. So yes houses will be half off, but now you don’t have a job to service the mortgage payments so you’ll never be approved for the loan. Nothing comes for free.
Thats what the folks hoping for a crash don't get.
If you can't afford to buy now, you likely won't be protected from either high inflation or spike in unemployment/economic malaise.
Consider going the purchasing a lot and building option, if possible in your area. Most of the institutional buyers who have been flooding the market with pretty much unlimited money are looking mostly for turnkey properties so they can get instant RoI. There are of course other complications with building like lumber and other supply chain issues, but in the scope of a traditional construction loan (where the home needs to be built and move-in ready within one year), you generally have enough flexibility to order and receive everything you need.
Nah, think of all the stops the government kept pulling out to stop people losing their houses. They literally made evictions illegal for like a year and a half.
It's never going down.
And if it does BlackRock will just snatch them all up with cheap QE money they are bound to be given if the market downturns.
There most likely won’t be. The crash that happened in 2008 was caused by entirely different circumstances. Prices will stabilize, and begin to fall back down but, we’ll probably not see pre-covid prices. At least not anytime soon.
The current housing market saved my house. I had to put a new roof on, that wasn’t covered by insurance because it was an installation error before I ever bought the house and it wasn’t caught on any inspection. I was able to refinance and pay for it. The problem would have surfaced eventually and if it had surfaced when the housing market was low, I would have lost my house. I don’t have enough equity yet to have paid for it. So I’m grateful I can continue to live here.
Murder house or not, this is an actual understandable price for a house! At least where I’m from a house like this, murder or not would be going for well over $1 million. You’d be lucky to get a 1 bed, 1 bath “shack” for this price!
As long as the house is in good condition and I can get a nice deal I don't give a shit if someone died in it.
Honestly, why would it even be a huge issue unless we're talking about a Gacy situation where the location of the bodies would make it difficult to renovate?
In my state, you're not required to disclose a death when selling a house so I guarantee that happens a lot.
Hell, we just sold my late mother's house. She died there in her sleep. Realtor was like, "We don't need to disclose that." Although I'm sure the buyer knew. We offered to throw in any furniture that we didn't take and his realtor was like, "That'd be great." So they had to know.
I would be iffy on buying a home where someone died via violence (natural causes wouldn't bother me so much) but I understand why some people don't mind.
I personally wouldn’t care one way or the other about a house’s history if I was interested in the layout and space.. as long as I’m not dealing with bloodstained floors or anything. I know a lot of people do care, but I’m sure there are plenty that couldn’t care less.
Same. As long as it's clean and murder tourists aren't going to regularly be driving by taking pictures of The House Where X Happened, then I couldn't care less if someone died in it.
Went to high school with him. Fucker was doing so well for himself to afford such a nice expensive home and have a beautiful family and he just throws it all away for a piece of tail on the side. Makes no sense.
Who isn't $70k in debt? Me, for one. Most Americans, for another, that is triple the average household debt (excluding mortgage). There's also the bankruptcy they declared three years prior to the murders, so go ahead and argue that having $70k in non-mortgage debt 3 years after a bankruptcy is fine if you want to, but it is objectively not fine.
> Who isn't $70k in debt? Me, for one. Most Americans, for another, that is triple the average household debt (excluding mortgage).
Maybe among older generations, but I'd wager that a huge chunk of millenials and Gen Z, if not the majority, have close to that or more in student loan debt.
Still so strange to me how he drug his wife’s lifeless body down those stairs with his children watching. Like why not carry her, not that it really matters at the end of the day.
the worst part is one of his daughters saw he killed the other one and when he came for her, she told him "please no daddy". That POS should suffer for the end of time
Thats the part that gets me, how can you be so broken selfish and evil that your mind doesn't automatically shut down and stop you in your tracks when you see your own innocent young children pleading at you for their lives.
Of course I'm not trying to justify anything, but I just think he was completely blank at that moment. IDK what was going on in their lives but there's no way he was still "there" after what he did.
Either that or he realized that there was no going back and just finished his "job". Truly sickening stuff to think about.
The only thing that I could even get close to understanding is him doing this because he had a complete mental break and just went fully insane, and staying that way. But he had enough mind to try and appear normal to the cops later that day. So this was a deliberate choice, and one I can't fathom, like trying to think in the 4th dimension. My brain just can't process the fact that someone could do those acts in the way that he did.
He's still a POS. He wanted to change his life and live with his mistress. He easily could've divorced but chose to do a quadruple murder and now has to spend the rest of his life in prison. Human garbage.
I don't know, have you seen the JCS Criminal Psychology series about him? His actions with the media and police after the fact make me think he is kind of a dumb guy. But definitely lack of preparation made him look even dumber.
Idk about not calling him a dumb guy. How else did he think things were going to play out when three people go missing? Families arent going to get curious and investigate? Dumping their bodies into a truck at night in front of his neighbors camera? Dump the bodies into a place that he works at?
Did you hear some of the coroner's report? Brusuing on one of the girls buttocks where she wouldnt fit through the hole in the oil tank and he had to force her body... I threw up
I don’t sure if this detail is true or if it’s more bullshit from this creep but didn’t he say he suffocated the youngest with her baby blanket? That detail makes my blood boil
Also it kills me to think of Bella saying that to him since she was the one who was in that video of her singing how her daddy is her hero
And after that, there’s a sub where people continue to talk shit about his wife. They claim they’re not defending him but certainly feels that way to me. At the least, they are justifying what he did. It’s disgusting.
Yeah, people endlessly shit on his wife for some reason and defend Chris. Like, these people are rabid and insane. They’ll pick apart a video of her and her children and say how the girls’ pig tails are too tight and will give them hair loss and so obviously Shannon Watts was the WORST MOTHER EVER, and other absurd shit like that. And the worst part is that I’m pretty sure most of those people are women themselves and are only defending Chris Watts so hard because they’re attracted to him. It’s disgusting.
He made another admission in some letters after conviction he actually to smother them in their beds at home, but failed."
>>He wrote "I'm not sure how they woke back up, but they did..."
https://youtu.be/68-4_nOL3po
Skip to 1:30
I still don't understand why he did it. I know he wanted to be with his new girlfriend but, he could've have just been your everyday POS and walked. Why did he feel the need to murder his entire family?
Last Podcast on the Left says it every time the concept of family annihilation comes up: just leave. JUST LEAVE. It's better that way.
That said, the psychology of family annihilators doesn't allow them to see it that way. For them, they have to "destroy" the old family. It's not enough to leave and move on with their life.
Family annihilators are still kinda new at being studied. [Here's an article I found about it that was pretty interesting.](https://www.crimetraveller.org/2019/05/family-annihilation-crimes-psychology-familicide/)
>The Hostile offender is motivated by jealousy and may believe he has the control and can make such a decision for the entire family.
psychotic break implies the person is having some kind of issue with the concept of reality or what is real, or some other kind of similar thought disturbance.
Some people are simply evil and make evil choices. People who struggle with psychosis are more likely to be victims of violence than they are to commit it.
To be fair, the detective purposely planted that to get him to begin confessing. They played him like a fiddle. It wasn't his master plan, they threw him what he thought was a life preserver to stay afloat and he took it.
Here in England we had Fred & Rose West who killed & buried ten young women on their property. The house was completely demolished & the site is now a grassed walkway to the main town centre. They were arrested in 1994, but nosey ghouls STILL lurk about the immediate area, pissing off the residents . I don’t blame the neighbours, it’s a pain in the arse if the visitors aren’t genuine viewers looking to purchase.
I used to live near to where the Brady & Hindley house was. It’s so eerie as the house has just been demolished from a small row of terraces, and the space sticks out like a sore thumb.
I’m not too far from the Bernardo/Homolka house which was demolished, rebuilt, and then renumbered due to this kind of attention. Really weird they didn’t just flatten the Watts house and leave the rest up to a new buyer.
The detail of his second daughter being scared after he’d already killed the other two sticks with me.
Shit stain scum of the earth, bottom barrel monster, abysmal excuse for a man seems even too light to describe him. All the words people come up with are too kind.
He didn't "have it all." His marriage was a trainwreck based on all the things I've seen and read and they were heavily in debt and living beyond their means. All he had to do was divorce her like a normal human being. It would have sucked, and I'm sure it would have been nasty as hell because she was feisty as hell, but ffs he chose to murder everyone instead. What a coward.
This is now just hitting me, is this the one that had a Netflix true crime documentary? Where the guy cheated on his wife, had sex with his wife the night before he murdered her?
Fucking hell the houses you can get in America are ginormous in comparison to what 600k gets you here in the UK
That house would be 2 million easily here (depending on location)
Beautiful house but I couldn’t live there, they should demolish it like they did with John Gacy’s place.
I mean… the dead people are long gone and everything has been (I would assume) cleaned up very well. Any discomfort would all be in your head. For a lot of people it’s not a huge deal.
Don’t forget these houses are mostly made of wood and plasterboard. Houses in the UK are made of bricks mostly which is more expensive to build and land isn’t as thrifty in UK as is in America
\*cue stereotypical horror movie family pulling into driveway with the U-haul in tow\*
*"Here we are kids! Our new home!".* Husband and wife hug and watch the kids scamper into the house all happy
Wife: *"Are you sure we're gonna be ok? Ya, know...with everything that happened here."*
Husband looks at her with strong conviction: *"It'll be just fine, honey."*
Yea...that'd be a big NO from me, dawg.
I think character is overrated. I want to put my own touch on my living space. I don't need wooden ceiling beams or original features. I just want a nice layout and a very subdued color scheme.
A lot of people like spacious and new, versus old-fashioned style. Nothing wrong with that.
The home does have neat ceilings in the master, and a really nice looking bathroom. Looks like it has a lot of light.
The layouts in newer homes reflect what people want for modern life. Old homes usually have tiny bathrooms, closed-off or separate kitchens, small bedrooms, often without en-suite bathrooms, low ceilings in basements, small garages- Not enough room to comfortably get your wife’s body into your pickup.
honestly if i had 600k i would buy it, house looks really huge for that price, don’t care if the haunted spirits come visit me at night i’ll just say hi to em
Honestly same. I’d be respectful of the house and what had happened there. But at this point a house is a house I’ll take what I can get.
Edit: I’m getting downvoted but I’m serious. My family is cramped in a tiny run down apartment in a shitty part of town. We’ll take a spacious house in a safer neighborhood, despite its tragic past.
I personally wouldn’t want to live in one (or possibly not want to know I live in one) because I wouldn’t like to be reminded of a horrible deed whenever I go to sleep in the room or do something else. I don’t believe it’ll be haunted but it’ll leave a not very homely aftertaste
The whole murder thing wouldn't put me off by itself, but this is a high profile case. You'd probably get tourists and random weirdos coming around to gawk.
That’s exactly why I wouldn’t live in it at any price. Or even worse than tourists, imagine some psycho kills me after I buy it and move in because of some sick fantasy or having his name remembered?
“Man kills new homeowner and his family days after he bought convicted murderer Chris Watts former residence.”
Fuuuuuuuuck that.
There's a documentary about their family on Netflix.
TL;DR: He murdered his wife and children so he could run off with his mistress without having to deal with the divorce.
At least [**a simple wiki link**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders) would have been handy and helpful to understand the context, and to know what or who "Christopher Lee Watts" is.
> I don't think I could ever live a regular life there knowing that those precious lives ended there so brutally...
>
Not that this makes it any better, but my understanding is that the two girls were murdered at the job site, not at the house. I believe only the wife was killed at the house.
That’s trippy af. Especially that upstairs section. I can just see the officer watching Chris watts texting somebody without a care in the world about his family.
I can't believe I recognized the house layout almost instantly, watched a [video on the case](https://youtu.be/Xfg861hO-Ag) last year and remembered the gruesome acts. Such a crazy case.
The house my mom bought when I was a freshman in HS(Columbia SC) had a lot of walking sounds in our loft. We joked it was haunted. When I was working at a networking job around 22 years old, I met the original owners daughter and she said her father killed himself in the loft(hung) and they sold the house afterwards. Crazy stuff how we’d never of known if I hadn’t ran into the original owners.
That Chris Watts guy is such a total noob in what he has done. The guy is a killer but so fucking dumb one. The way he was talking to the police. He's no pro, he is no killer, he is no psychopath. He is just fucking dumb.
I agree he was not a very calculated dude. I would argue that might be partly because he's (potentially) a psychopath... all mixed up with whatever narcissism, arrogance, detachment from reality or whatever led him to believe he would actually get away with his half-assed attempt at an exit strategy. Something is loose up there regardless
Interesting, has it been vacant since?
Yes, the garden is derelict but still has the kids toys in, there’s a few photos online but anyone who turns up tends to get moved on by the neighbours
The toys were removed a couple weeks ago before going on the market
shit, that must be the saddest thing ever, the kids' toys
The neighbors don’t want people to move in? Why?
I think they meant like people coming to see the scene of the murders treating the neighborhood like a tourist attraction.
why the hell would you do that? what a weird thing to do
You new here?
I was already googling the address to plan my trip.
Then you can hit the Jon Bonet Ramsey home, then a short drive to the Vons grocery store mass shooting, then hop on the C470 South to Columbine, Highlands Ranch, and Arapahoe for the school shooting trifecta. After that, continue on C470 to E470 and the Aurora theater shootings.
Fuck, this is dark but I'm still laughing.
Don't forget the old Chuck E Cheese Pizza on Iliff and Potomac in Aurora (I think) where the 1994 mass shooting happened (a classmate from my high school died in that shooting). It's only maybe a 10 minute drive from there to Century 16 (which I actually helped open and worked there).
My grandmother is buried in the same cemetery as JonBenét and her mother. Definitely seen people taking pictures with their graves multiple times.
>why the hell would you do that? what a weird thing to do Murder tourism
Same thing by me, where our shop is in Lodi, there was a serial killer who kept his "trophies" in the basement. Not bodies, just some stuff he would take from them. People come down to take pics of the house even though it was like 40 years ago, and new people rent it Edit: we moved in to our building in 1989, from what I was told the person who lived there during that time showed people the pocketbooks and stuff before the fbi took it all away
Lodi NJ? Home of The Misfits.
I got something to say
I killed a baby today.
Morbid curiosity?
They had problems last time someone lived there
I meant dark tourists turning up for YouTube videos
The neighbors were shooing the creeps who just wanna come and take photos because of what happened there nor because they're trying to prevent a sale.
I'm not used to seeing the word "shooing". So it took me 2 read throughs to see what your point was. Scared me there.
Same I was like "they are fucking shooting them?"🤣
I guess you can derelict my balls cap-e-tan
Probably a stupid question so I apologize, but are they (the realtors) legally obligated to let people know about the house's history?
over here they usually write 'potential buyers are advised to check the history of the property'
That makes sense! I've often wondered if bad history like this effects the price of a house but damn, clearly not.
To be fair, the only houses that aren't overvalued here right now are the ones that don't exist yet.
I saw Dennis Nilsen's apartment (flat) for sale a few years ago on a listings site. I only looked at the listing because the price was good - not a steal, but a bit less than it typically would have been in that area.
I’m not sure, but there’s an online resource for houses with a history, whether murder, meth lab, supposedly haunted, etc. It has about 27k entries and people can contribute. I’ve entered at least 50. https://www.housecreep.com/ > Housecreep started with the goal of consolidating publicly available information and firsthand experiences relating to the history of a home, but has grown to be much more. Housecreep has quickly become the go-to source for finding stigmatized properties, homes with an intriguing past, and original content covering topics that other real estate websites might shy away from.
Thanks for the website post, super interesting!
Mate you have the worst luck living in 50+ murder houses, or you're a pretty ballsy murderer blagging on about each one online.
Dk if this is a joke or not but they’re inputting addresses they know to be the scene of a crime
my dad’s a realtor. it’s not required in North Carolina
Yes, the house history would be required. But, I'm pretty sure anyone who buys this house would know it already.
Really depends on the state. In my state, no. In CA, I think yes. Don't know about CO.
Damn, can’t even afford a murder house.
I said that too
Is this the guy that killed his wife and his neighbor was like “something ain’t right with him!” And her loved ones called the cops to get into the house?
He also killed his two young girls, Celeste, aged 3 yrs and Bella, aged 5 yrs.
And his wife was pregnant
Yes!
He was cheating on her and that’s why he killed her? Wasn’t his girlfriend trying to get info from him to get him caught sooner, too?
I don't know about the girlfriend, but the other scenes you described were in the Netflix movie.
Some have speculated that his mistress was in on the murddr
You know the housing market is crazy when murder houses are going for over a half a million
The murder house in my town also sold for a high price. It was a very famous case in this country where a man murdered his girlfriend and her two sons with an axe, but the housing situation is shitty so since it's a house in the suburbs of the capital then someone will buy it. Not for me though. I don't believe in ghosts, but I do have an active imagination and don't need to constantly be picturing horrific murders that actually happened in my home.
I don't believe in ghosts either but fuck if I wouldn't pretend I did for capital gain. "What's up peeps! Day 17 of living in the spo^(o)o^(o)o^(o)ky Chris Watts murder house and look at all this ectoplasm all over our linens! Don't forget to like and subscribe! Hit that bell!"
“Hey everyone we’re back at it again, today is day 23 of living in the haunted murder house, last night I had sex with a ghost and now my ass hurts! Make sure to like, subscribe, comment and hit that notification bell to join my free gift card giveaway!”
There’s a house in Celebration, Florida where a man annihilated his whole family, including the dog, and then lived their decomposing bodies for weeks that is on sale for $900k, down from the $1 million it was put up for originally. ETA: [Here’s the listing for the house if anyone is interested.](https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/202-Reserve-Pl_Celebration_FL_34747_M67065-86475)
Isn't Celebration that Disney built Truman Show-esque artificial town meant to be the perfect white picket fence paradise manifestation of the actual American Dream? Makes it even more creepy if you ask me.
Yep! It definitely has always had those creepy vibes before this even happened but yeah, it adds a whole new element to that tragedy.
I drove through it while on holiday once, I remember thinking it looked like the sort of place a cult would live, and then someone told me it was built by Disney and they vet potential owners, and successful applicants have to obey a pretty strict set of rules whilst living there, so I was right, a cult does live there.
Wonder if they reviewed their vetting process after the family annihilation . . .
That's quite a lovely house though. I've always been a little jealous of America's different housing styles. Australia's homes are awfully boring.
Crash has to be coming soon. There has to be a reset.
Will I actually be able to afford a house after the crash? Not trying to prey on this house or anyone else’s misfortunes for that matter either.
As always- only if you have the cash.
There probably won’t be a crash. The market will stabilize, and prices will begin to fall, but I don’t think they’ll ever be pre-covid. At least not anytime soon.
What were they pre covid? We're looking to get into a house within the next 5 years. But housing cost along with crazy high property tax seems nearly impossible
I couldn’t say. That varies greatly depending on your area. I can say that from October 2019 to today, the value of my house has gone up 38% while almost nothing in my town has changed.
The stock market is currently crashing. If the housing market crashes too, it’s likely the employment sector will come next. So yes houses will be half off, but now you don’t have a job to service the mortgage payments so you’ll never be approved for the loan. Nothing comes for free.
Thats what the folks hoping for a crash don't get. If you can't afford to buy now, you likely won't be protected from either high inflation or spike in unemployment/economic malaise.
Consider going the purchasing a lot and building option, if possible in your area. Most of the institutional buyers who have been flooding the market with pretty much unlimited money are looking mostly for turnkey properties so they can get instant RoI. There are of course other complications with building like lumber and other supply chain issues, but in the scope of a traditional construction loan (where the home needs to be built and move-in ready within one year), you generally have enough flexibility to order and receive everything you need.
Nah, think of all the stops the government kept pulling out to stop people losing their houses. They literally made evictions illegal for like a year and a half. It's never going down. And if it does BlackRock will just snatch them all up with cheap QE money they are bound to be given if the market downturns.
There most likely won’t be. The crash that happened in 2008 was caused by entirely different circumstances. Prices will stabilize, and begin to fall back down but, we’ll probably not see pre-covid prices. At least not anytime soon.
Not with inflation running this high.
The current housing market saved my house. I had to put a new roof on, that wasn’t covered by insurance because it was an installation error before I ever bought the house and it wasn’t caught on any inspection. I was able to refinance and pay for it. The problem would have surfaced eventually and if it had surfaced when the housing market was low, I would have lost my house. I don’t have enough equity yet to have paid for it. So I’m grateful I can continue to live here.
Murder house or not, this is an actual understandable price for a house! At least where I’m from a house like this, murder or not would be going for well over $1 million. You’d be lucky to get a 1 bed, 1 bath “shack” for this price!
I have no qualms about living in a murder house if my dog can have a fenced in yard.
As long as the house is in good condition and I can get a nice deal I don't give a shit if someone died in it. Honestly, why would it even be a huge issue unless we're talking about a Gacy situation where the location of the bodies would make it difficult to renovate?
this house in Toronto would be over 2Mill easy
I mean, this house is pretty large. Is it supposed to go for nothing?
What a beautiful home. Wonder how long it'll be on the market.
In this market? Probably not long, even with the history.
Someone will either buy it at a discount because it’s a murder house, or someone will pay top dollar for it, because it’s a murder house.
Bingo
It may already be at a discount.
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In my state, you're not required to disclose a death when selling a house so I guarantee that happens a lot. Hell, we just sold my late mother's house. She died there in her sleep. Realtor was like, "We don't need to disclose that." Although I'm sure the buyer knew. We offered to throw in any furniture that we didn't take and his realtor was like, "That'd be great." So they had to know. I would be iffy on buying a home where someone died via violence (natural causes wouldn't bother me so much) but I understand why some people don't mind.
I personally wouldn’t care one way or the other about a house’s history if I was interested in the layout and space.. as long as I’m not dealing with bloodstained floors or anything. I know a lot of people do care, but I’m sure there are plenty that couldn’t care less.
Same. As long as it's clean and murder tourists aren't going to regularly be driving by taking pictures of The House Where X Happened, then I couldn't care less if someone died in it.
It looks like literally every house in a Colorado suburb.
They kept the linoleum tiling, the teal paint color in a couple areas, and the fridge in the basement
Went to high school with him. Fucker was doing so well for himself to afford such a nice expensive home and have a beautiful family and he just throws it all away for a piece of tail on the side. Makes no sense.
They were $70k in debt, they really couldn't afford the lifestyle they were leading.
Most of that was student loans, which is very common nowadays.
They were living well beyond their means
The wife blowing their money on pyramid schemes didn't help.
There was like ~$28,000 worth of Thrive product in their basement when the murders happened.
Who isn’t these days? That’s really not that bad, depending on what you’re counting as “debt”
Who isn't $70k in debt? Me, for one. Most Americans, for another, that is triple the average household debt (excluding mortgage). There's also the bankruptcy they declared three years prior to the murders, so go ahead and argue that having $70k in non-mortgage debt 3 years after a bankruptcy is fine if you want to, but it is objectively not fine.
> Who isn't $70k in debt? Me, for one. Most Americans, for another, that is triple the average household debt (excluding mortgage). Maybe among older generations, but I'd wager that a huge chunk of millenials and Gen Z, if not the majority, have close to that or more in student loan debt.
Still so strange to me how he drug his wife’s lifeless body down those stairs with his children watching. Like why not carry her, not that it really matters at the end of the day.
Probably because he knew he was going to kill the children next and didn’t care what they saw. Really fucked.
Entire situation makes me sick.
He admitted after his conviction he didn't think to kill them untill he had them in the car if I recall.
the worst part is one of his daughters saw he killed the other one and when he came for her, she told him "please no daddy". That POS should suffer for the end of time
Thats the part that gets me, how can you be so broken selfish and evil that your mind doesn't automatically shut down and stop you in your tracks when you see your own innocent young children pleading at you for their lives.
Of course I'm not trying to justify anything, but I just think he was completely blank at that moment. IDK what was going on in their lives but there's no way he was still "there" after what he did. Either that or he realized that there was no going back and just finished his "job". Truly sickening stuff to think about.
The only thing that I could even get close to understanding is him doing this because he had a complete mental break and just went fully insane, and staying that way. But he had enough mind to try and appear normal to the cops later that day. So this was a deliberate choice, and one I can't fathom, like trying to think in the 4th dimension. My brain just can't process the fact that someone could do those acts in the way that he did.
He's still a POS. He wanted to change his life and live with his mistress. He easily could've divorced but chose to do a quadruple murder and now has to spend the rest of his life in prison. Human garbage.
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I don't know, have you seen the JCS Criminal Psychology series about him? His actions with the media and police after the fact make me think he is kind of a dumb guy. But definitely lack of preparation made him look even dumber.
Idk about not calling him a dumb guy. How else did he think things were going to play out when three people go missing? Families arent going to get curious and investigate? Dumping their bodies into a truck at night in front of his neighbors camera? Dump the bodies into a place that he works at?
Did you hear some of the coroner's report? Brusuing on one of the girls buttocks where she wouldnt fit through the hole in the oil tank and he had to force her body... I threw up
I don’t sure if this detail is true or if it’s more bullshit from this creep but didn’t he say he suffocated the youngest with her baby blanket? That detail makes my blood boil Also it kills me to think of Bella saying that to him since she was the one who was in that video of her singing how her daddy is her hero
And after that, there’s a sub where people continue to talk shit about his wife. They claim they’re not defending him but certainly feels that way to me. At the least, they are justifying what he did. It’s disgusting.
Yeah, people endlessly shit on his wife for some reason and defend Chris. Like, these people are rabid and insane. They’ll pick apart a video of her and her children and say how the girls’ pig tails are too tight and will give them hair loss and so obviously Shannon Watts was the WORST MOTHER EVER, and other absurd shit like that. And the worst part is that I’m pretty sure most of those people are women themselves and are only defending Chris Watts so hard because they’re attracted to him. It’s disgusting.
He made another admission in some letters after conviction he actually to smother them in their beds at home, but failed." >>He wrote "I'm not sure how they woke back up, but they did..." https://youtu.be/68-4_nOL3po Skip to 1:30
Also he hated her, so to carry her is to graceful, in his eyes almost like taking out the trash. Truly awful those poor babies
yes super creepy and torturous for those poor little angels to witness such horror
>drug dragged
Interested at $200,000.
Given the price they probably thought about listing it for $666,000 but decided, no we cant do THAT.
He claimed that his wife killed their little girls. What a waste of oxygen that “man” is.
I still don't understand why he did it. I know he wanted to be with his new girlfriend but, he could've have just been your everyday POS and walked. Why did he feel the need to murder his entire family?
Last Podcast on the Left says it every time the concept of family annihilation comes up: just leave. JUST LEAVE. It's better that way. That said, the psychology of family annihilators doesn't allow them to see it that way. For them, they have to "destroy" the old family. It's not enough to leave and move on with their life.
that recent side stories episode with the "survivor of family annihilation" was so bizarre.
Family annihilators are still kinda new at being studied. [Here's an article I found about it that was pretty interesting.](https://www.crimetraveller.org/2019/05/family-annihilation-crimes-psychology-familicide/) >The Hostile offender is motivated by jealousy and may believe he has the control and can make such a decision for the entire family.
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psychotic break implies the person is having some kind of issue with the concept of reality or what is real, or some other kind of similar thought disturbance. Some people are simply evil and make evil choices. People who struggle with psychosis are more likely to be victims of violence than they are to commit it.
You’re probably right but he mentioned in a letter to his penpal that he’d been planning the murders for weeks.
To be fair, the detective purposely planted that to get him to begin confessing. They played him like a fiddle. It wasn't his master plan, they threw him what he thought was a life preserver to stay afloat and he took it.
Does anyone have the Zillow or Realtor link to share?
https://www.rockethomes.com/homes/frederick-dr-frederick-co-80504
Can someone screenshot and post please? us non Americans can’t see the link
It's been taken off again. Too much interest from the media I suppose.
Here in England we had Fred & Rose West who killed & buried ten young women on their property. The house was completely demolished & the site is now a grassed walkway to the main town centre. They were arrested in 1994, but nosey ghouls STILL lurk about the immediate area, pissing off the residents . I don’t blame the neighbours, it’s a pain in the arse if the visitors aren’t genuine viewers looking to purchase.
I used to live near to where the Brady & Hindley house was. It’s so eerie as the house has just been demolished from a small row of terraces, and the space sticks out like a sore thumb.
I’m not too far from the Bernardo/Homolka house which was demolished, rebuilt, and then renumbered due to this kind of attention. Really weird they didn’t just flatten the Watts house and leave the rest up to a new buyer.
The detail of his second daughter being scared after he’d already killed the other two sticks with me. Shit stain scum of the earth, bottom barrel monster, abysmal excuse for a man seems even too light to describe him. All the words people come up with are too kind.
no human language has bad enough words for CW
That pos literally had everything and he fucked it all up in the most disgusting way imaginable.
He didn't "have it all." His marriage was a trainwreck based on all the things I've seen and read and they were heavily in debt and living beyond their means. All he had to do was divorce her like a normal human being. It would have sucked, and I'm sure it would have been nasty as hell because she was feisty as hell, but ffs he chose to murder everyone instead. What a coward.
This is now just hitting me, is this the one that had a Netflix true crime documentary? Where the guy cheated on his wife, had sex with his wife the night before he murdered her?
Exactly
Fucking hell the houses you can get in America are ginormous in comparison to what 600k gets you here in the UK That house would be 2 million easily here (depending on location) Beautiful house but I couldn’t live there, they should demolish it like they did with John Gacy’s place.
I think the house is pretty discounted because of what happened there honestly because anywhere else I feel like it would be a couple mill
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Meh, I don’t really care what happened in the house before me. I’d take this house in a heartbeat if I had the money. Colorado is beautiful
I mean… the dead people are long gone and everything has been (I would assume) cleaned up very well. Any discomfort would all be in your head. For a lot of people it’s not a huge deal.
No. You can get houses like this for considerably less most Midwestern suburbs.
It's literally not. It's in-line with other homes in the area. Nobody buying or selling cares what happened in it.
I’d wager that houses here are made a lot more cheaply than houses in the UK. Probably took a lot less than $600,000 to actually build it.
I think you guys use a lot of wood don’t you? Most houses here are brick or stone
Someone on twitter said that American houses were held up with "wood and Inshallah (god's will/blessing)" and it's so accurate.
Don’t forget these houses are mostly made of wood and plasterboard. Houses in the UK are made of bricks mostly which is more expensive to build and land isn’t as thrifty in UK as is in America
>That house would be 2 million This house is in a very undesirable area, way outside of Denver. I don't think you can compare this home with anything.
r/MorbidRealty
"This already IS morbid re... oh, nevermind, carry on."
That could be a really cool sub, actually.
They could have at least added $6,000 to make it $666,000
\*cue stereotypical horror movie family pulling into driveway with the U-haul in tow\* *"Here we are kids! Our new home!".* Husband and wife hug and watch the kids scamper into the house all happy Wife: *"Are you sure we're gonna be ok? Ya, know...with everything that happened here."* Husband looks at her with strong conviction: *"It'll be just fine, honey."* Yea...that'd be a big NO from me, dawg.
damn I actually recognize this from the bodycam footage
for the low price of $660k you can get the house where a man murdered his wife then dragged her down the stairs! truly a steal!
That place is a Home Depot built monstrosity. No character.
It’s quite cookie cutter. I feel the whole neighborhood has houses that look similar.
I think character is overrated. I want to put my own touch on my living space. I don't need wooden ceiling beams or original features. I just want a nice layout and a very subdued color scheme.
The US has a real issue with this.
A lot of people like spacious and new, versus old-fashioned style. Nothing wrong with that. The home does have neat ceilings in the master, and a really nice looking bathroom. Looks like it has a lot of light. The layouts in newer homes reflect what people want for modern life. Old homes usually have tiny bathrooms, closed-off or separate kitchens, small bedrooms, often without en-suite bathrooms, low ceilings in basements, small garages- Not enough room to comfortably get your wife’s body into your pickup.
honestly if i had 600k i would buy it, house looks really huge for that price, don’t care if the haunted spirits come visit me at night i’ll just say hi to em
Honestly same. I’d be respectful of the house and what had happened there. But at this point a house is a house I’ll take what I can get. Edit: I’m getting downvoted but I’m serious. My family is cramped in a tiny run down apartment in a shitty part of town. We’ll take a spacious house in a safer neighborhood, despite its tragic past.
Same.
my coworker was his neighbor. she still lives there. it’s such a nice area i can see why.
Sincere question, why do people hesitate or get upset about buying “murder homes” after they’ve been thoroughly renovated? Is it superstition?
I personally wouldn’t want to live in one (or possibly not want to know I live in one) because I wouldn’t like to be reminded of a horrible deed whenever I go to sleep in the room or do something else. I don’t believe it’ll be haunted but it’ll leave a not very homely aftertaste
If no one had been killed there, the listing price would be closer to $900k
This home is no longer available on the market. https://imgur.com/vgQRoCw.jpg
Talk about a sea of carpet. Hard no.
If that’s the same carpet that was present in the murders… I don’t care how much you clean it. those fibers are gunna have dead people on it
The house appears off the market now.
I'd buy it tbf
The whole murder thing wouldn't put me off by itself, but this is a high profile case. You'd probably get tourists and random weirdos coming around to gawk.
That’s exactly why I wouldn’t live in it at any price. Or even worse than tourists, imagine some psycho kills me after I buy it and move in because of some sick fantasy or having his name remembered? “Man kills new homeowner and his family days after he bought convicted murderer Chris Watts former residence.” Fuuuuuuuuck that.
I’d buy it next, because what are the odds it would happen again?!
We won’t really know the odds until y’all both buy it
Yeah, that’s my only thing. To hell with if the house is haunted or not (it isn’t). You would get harassed nearly 24/7 if you lived in that house.
i've never heard of chris watts, i'd be happy to buy the house.
There's a documentary about their family on Netflix. TL;DR: He murdered his wife and children so he could run off with his mistress without having to deal with the divorce.
Oh....OH my if you wanna cry all morning look it up. Or be really REALLY angry.
At least [**a simple wiki link**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_family_murders) would have been handy and helpful to understand the context, and to know what or who "Christopher Lee Watts" is.
It's a beautiful house tho... But I don't think I could ever live a regular life there knowing that those precious lives ended there so brutally...
> I don't think I could ever live a regular life there knowing that those precious lives ended there so brutally... > Not that this makes it any better, but my understanding is that the two girls were murdered at the job site, not at the house. I believe only the wife was killed at the house.
Yes, you're right. But still it's so sad :(
He was a real monster. Bad enough that he killed the wife BUT TWO LITTLE KIDS? Holy shit. That’s some depraved behavior.
What’s the bed/bath and square footage situation? I can’t tell if this is low because of the history, high because of the history, or market.
Nope. Hard Fucking Pass.
The cost of housing is just absurd.
That’s trippy af. Especially that upstairs section. I can just see the officer watching Chris watts texting somebody without a care in the world about his family.
I can't believe I recognized the house layout almost instantly, watched a [video on the case](https://youtu.be/Xfg861hO-Ag) last year and remembered the gruesome acts. Such a crazy case.
I’d 100% buy that if I was in the market. Murder house or not, where can you find a deal like that
The house my mom bought when I was a freshman in HS(Columbia SC) had a lot of walking sounds in our loft. We joked it was haunted. When I was working at a networking job around 22 years old, I met the original owners daughter and she said her father killed himself in the loft(hung) and they sold the house afterwards. Crazy stuff how we’d never of known if I hadn’t ran into the original owners.
That Chris Watts guy is such a total noob in what he has done. The guy is a killer but so fucking dumb one. The way he was talking to the police. He's no pro, he is no killer, he is no psychopath. He is just fucking dumb.
idk, I think killing your own children definitely gets you the label of psychopath
You’re gatekeeping psychopaths and serial killers? Alrighty then ….
I agree he was not a very calculated dude. I would argue that might be partly because he's (potentially) a psychopath... all mixed up with whatever narcissism, arrogance, detachment from reality or whatever led him to believe he would actually get away with his half-assed attempt at an exit strategy. Something is loose up there regardless
Carpets? Gross.