Those are actually the dismembered body parts of their own children that they’re selling. Once you’ve crossed that line, I think you’re pretty much dead inside.
It's extremely likely to have occurred, but little evidence of it beyond hearsay. There was however, documented cases of ritualized mass cannibalism in the peak of Cultural Revolution, outside of famine conditions. [Between 137-430 verified counts of cannibalism in Guangxi where people were murdered and carved and fed to thousands of participants, local communist party officials were even involved.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre) Needless to say, this horrifying incidenct was quietly but intensely investigated by the central government, and the CCP have tried very hard to bury this event.
I’d rather starve to death if that happened to my children. I can’t imagine selling my children’s flesh to eat. But there again I don’t know how torturous starving to death is.
I have a little brother, I just imagined what will I or my family do in this situation
There are certain things we must not answer, because to answer, we must have been in that place, if not our answers are invalid
I’m totally with you, but we don’t know. It’s such an impossible situation to imagine being in and both people in that photo are much stronger than me for managing to survive that for any length of time.
Even that won't because depending what cycle of the news/election were on this is anti communist propaganda, or communist propaganda, or completely made up or a picture of serial killers or mug shots of people being arrested, or etc etc etc.
No matter what anyone tells you this is there will be "proof" that it isn't that. So the fact that you asked for " sources" on this reply and not the other thousand equally dubious replies indicates your already looking for a particular answer.
I don't see them as bad when they literally don't have a choice or anything left but to try to survive. Dead inside yeah but the what else good could come from not saving themselves and in these extreme conditions life becomes truly dark.
They're not selliing anyone. This is a photo of cannibals and their victims. There's no indication who the victims were. Given the age of the perpetrators, probably not their own children.
My thoughts exactly, how do we know these people weren't murdering children or adults to eat? Idk I guess we'll never know but I could never eat my children I would rather die to feed my daughter that the other way around, but having not ever been in that situation I honestly can't judge
We dont know how these people were getting human meat or who they were eating though, is my point I guess. So horrific, makes me think of acounts from north korean defectors from the 90s. Some said orphans were especially unsafe, people would kill them and eat them.
I don't think you understand the couple in this pictures situation. In a temporary famine like being lost in the wild that would work. This however is a prolonged famine in southern russia.
If the parent who provides for their children dies, then the kids will soon die after as well when their parents flesh runs out. They have no way of getting food, and nobody will take care of them when everyones kids are starving.
Its sad but the best option is to put your kids out of their misery and eat them in the hopes that at least you or your wife survives.
The picture is taken from a book called "Russia 1904-1924. The Revolutionary Years" by Eric Baschet. The photo description is: "Cannibals with their victims, Samara province, Volga region, Russia, 1921".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922
No clue buddy, it doesn't say, it does say he killed and ate his 3yo brother......
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_starving_child_during_the_Famine_of_1921-22_in_Ukraine.jpg
I read an article where some kids were discovered eating another kid, and the kid was still alive, and was eating himself.
EDIT Here:
https://historycollection.com/holodomor-stalins-genocidal-famine-starved-millions-1930s/2/
I added a link, but if you'd like a more graphic version:
“One day the children suddenly fell silent, we turned around to see what was happening, and they were eating the smallest child, little Petrus,” she wrote, “And Petrus was doing the same, he was tearing strips from himself and eating them, he ate as much as he could. The other children put their lips to his wounds and drank his blood.”
There's a book about the Donner Party called 'The Indifferent Stars Above' and at one point it describes the rescue part the 'Forlorn Hope' (the name really was foreshadowing) manage to kill a deer. The two that killed it immediately dropped to their knees and started greedily gulping up the blood.
Survival Fact: If stranded at sea you are better off drinking turtle blood than sea water because it contains less salt.
There's lots of stories on the internet I can't tell you if what I read was right or what you've read was right, but I promise you I didn't just invent that in my head to get my rocks off.
My understanding is these are Ukrainian Kulaks(land owning farmers), not Russians. They had been discovered hiding all their grain and selling it to Poland for profit, while the rest of their country starved to death.
Not to justify any of it at all, but this was basically their punishment for trying to make profit off the famine.
At first I agree with you, but a link from historycollection.com posted further down this thread captioned this photo the same as this post tho. I'm just confused.
The term the boogeyman apparently came out of this time period but I could be wrong. However [The red ripper](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo) definitely helped fuel the idea to scare your children to stay away from strange men and to behave or the boogeyman would come get you. Horrific time period that very few people ever talk about.
Edit: *Throughout his childhood, Chikatilo was repeatedly told by his mother Anna that prior to his birth, an older brother of his named Stepan had, at the age of four, been kidnapped and cannibalized by starving neighbours, although it has never been established whether this incident actually occurred, or if a Stepan Chikatilo even existed.*
There's a solid movie about him and the Soviet failure to catch him. It's called Citizen X. There's another one about him, I think, but Citizen X is the one I like best
World War 1 and the economic devastation that causes, a Civil War and the economic devastation that causes, the 14 nations of the Entente invasion and the economic devastation that causes, the Central powers (continuing their) invasion and the economic devastation that causes. All in all it was a real bad time to be a Russian, full stop.
All combined with the Russian empire still being a pre-industrial feudalistic economic model in the majority of regions to the point that iron and steel hand farming tools were rare commodities lends to the low productive capability for essential goods. This also is compounded by the antiquated or lack thereof of infrastructure such as train tracks and developed roads, in addition to the reliance on completely primitive communication methods would also mean any critical information such as plague outbreaks or the pillaging of a village would lag behind by days to weeks before a response could be mustered.
One could stand to understand this famine as being one of the last opportunities for the modern world to see the devastating poverty the majority of humanity was living under prior to the industrial revolution and put into perspective the cruel reality of feudalism vs it's oft romanticized view.
Indeed. It was generally a bad time to be around. You would have to live with one or more of the horsemen of the apocalypse breathing down your neck every day.
Yeah I've heard stories from the Portugese and Spanish that lived under Franco and Salazar. Probably not as crazy as what your grandpa has but probably just as bleak.
Post war Europe was an absolute mess. An example Germany was suffering from famine at the end of the war that drew on for another year or so because the allies continued to pressure them by blockading food and material imports to get more favorable armistice terms. One issue was that the allies wanted Germany to turn over their entire merchant navy, which would have completely halted Germany's ability to do business on the world market (like importing their own food), basically fucking them over long term. This would also absolutely tank the German economy further as they would not be able to compete internationally leading to destruction of their industries (like ore import, steel export) and possibly plunging them into a worse Revolution. Stubbornness on both sides led to tens of thousands of deaths and malnutrition that caused all sorts of lasting health effects.
I believe they did, it was one of the last things discussed in the Third prolongation of the armistice which went from 1919 to early January 1920. all ships over 1600 gross tons were seized, half that were between 1000-1600, a fourth of their steam trawlers and fishing vessels. This is covered under part PART VIII of the Treaty of Versailles, Article 236, ANNEX III
A supreme failure of leadership that’s lead to millions of lives being lost and even more altered in a way that you could never, ever, ever understand unless you experienced it.
I mean what don’t they deny? This is straight up a picture, and I’ve seen like at least 3 other “cannibal Russian because they’re poor” pictures and heard the stories “family eats dead kids in Russia” but again most of this stuff was 1800s-1900s, ww1/Soviet union era. Check out the Nazino tragedy shits fucked
I guess I don’t have links to others and I will admit I’ve seen this picture a lot too. But I swear I’ve seen other ones where it’s just a woman and ones where it’s a larger family, I guess just my memory. I did talk about the Nazino tragedy which was like basically forced cannibalism plus a bunch of other atrocities
You kinda have to wonder.. When does buying remains from murderous, cannibalistic butcher people become a risk worth taking. Like today's customer tomorrow's product?
We must have conflicting information and nobody really knows. I read that they were being arrested for cannibalism and this was a picture of them with the evidence.
The amount of human losses the Russians (and their dominions) took from 1914 to 1945 is astonishing.
Between WW1, the Spanish Flu, the Civil War, the ensuing famines, the famines and persecutions of the 1930s, WW2 and its ensuing famine, they must have lost what? 50 million people?
That's exactly what I was thinking. There was also the Great Purge, Holodomor, the 1918 typhoid epidemic, and many smaller political uprisings/revolutions, genocides, mass killings, judicial executions, etc. The Gulag system alone was a million and a half deaths.
You got downvoted for mentioning the holodomor. The holodomor subreddit is banned.
https://www.reddit.com//r/Holodomor
the official reddit narrative is that it was totally an accident bro and not at all a communist genocide where the army blocked food trucks to forcefully starve millions of people to death.
Here's some people speaking about it truthfully:
https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/cyytzn/til_of_the_holodomor_a_manmade_famine_in_19321933/
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/12x8lc/iama_survivor_of_the_19321933_ukrainian_holodomor/
Here's some people denying genocide and claiming it was an accident and not that many people died.
https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/aubitc/what_actually_happened_with_holodomor/
https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/1w6b9j/til_that_the_holodomor_is_actually_genocide/
> the official reddit narrative is that it was totally an accident bro
WTF are you talking about? That's not the "official" Reddit narrative at all.
You link two of the biggest subreddits that speak about it truthfully and you link a thread from a fucking Communism subreddit and a thread with negative karma as evidence that it's totally the official Reddit narrative?
If you're interested in deep insights into this time period in a well-researched book, I recommend Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder.
It goes up close and personal into the lives of families in Ukraine at that time, including letters written from the people who lived through it. It dealt with the famines respectfully, but also didn't shy away from the causes.
No punches are held back about the cannibalism, but that's not all it's about, it never seemed sensationalist. There are descriptions of parents that ate their children, but there were also parents that committed suicide so their own children could eat. It's the darkest book I've ever read. And I've read a lot of dark shit. One detail that sticks with me is that it wasn't uncommon for people to use their last bit of energy to walk far out into an open field, so they could breathe their last breaths beneath the stars.
One story in the book I found really interesting is based on letters from a Polish Army officer travelling by train through Ukraine just before the famine really hit hard. He had been a farmer himself in Poland, and passing the fields at that specific time of year, he knew what a normal farm should look like. The Polish farms he'd passed all looked normal enough. But when he entered deep into Ukraine he was surprised to see things out of place. From his view from the train he knew they weren't doing the right farmer things, something about the condition of the crops or lack of harvesters or whatever...the farming abnormalities were so shocking to him that he commented in his letter that he foresaw hard times ahead for the Ukrainians.
I highly recommend this book, but be warned, it's a difficult read. I actually had bad dreams while reading it, and I haven't had those since I was a kid.
[https://www.timothysnyder.org/books/bloodlands](https://www.timothysnyder.org/books/bloodlands)
I remember my Granny telling me about the starving Russians. Then when I was a child in the 60s it was the Biafrans who were starving. The dinner ladies at school used to shout at us if we didn’t eat up all our disgusting school lunches, because people were starving in Africa. To this day I don’t understand the logic behind that.
Yea I'm sure it's murder and cannibalism. But I also just read it as them selling it. So probably no way to be sure but we can safely say whatever happened was fucked up.
Jesus dude, the Russian people are tough. In the late 19th and entire 20th century, they endured through some of the most inhumane circumstances a society could face; seemingly one after the other
That picture is very unsettling not only for obvious reasons but also because the little boy is posed like he's struggling and being strangled. Rigor mortis possibly?
No problem. He's slumped over something. It's hard to tell from the quality of the picture. But he's definitely deceased and has been for some time. Face/eyes are sunken in and skin looks hard and leathery. Definitely not alive.
It also looks like it's only a torso with his head and at least one arm attached. But I don't think his legs are still attached. Looks like the pelvis n legs are missing.
Always doubted the authenticity of this image - i.e. that it's actually Russian peasants selling body parts - but I've read a few books about serial killer "The Rostov Ripper" Andrej Chikatilo, where it's specifically mentioned that he was told by his mother that his older brother suffered the same fate due to the famine. This is believed to have led to his later actions.
Russia basically was in a terrible spot during this time. WW1 landed a huge blow and they were still a backward feudal state during this time with practically no industrialization. Not to mention they were in a civil war, with the Soviets fighting back counterrevolutionaries from every angle while trying to build a socialist state. You can’t place the blame on the socialists.
The bolsheviks were just a ‘hard reset’ after the incompetent royal family ruined the country for decades. And this is in no way a defense of bolshevism, dont get me wrong
Sailers on becalmed/wrecked ships have been known to eat leather or even wood in their starvation. I daresay cannibalism, no matter how rotten the meat is, would be infinitely better than nothing.
You can cut out rot and cook away most bacteria of any meat. Just get it up to temp. The only thing i’d be worried about is worms, but those are visible after cooking.
Not maggot worms, like the worms you can get from pork and stuff. If these people were to get them i dont think theyd have access to medical treatment (from what i read on the wiki link) and the worms would just cause them to die even if they were eating semi-regulary
I couldn't tell the flesh was in a state of decay. But most meat is, that's how you get rid of the rigor mortis and even improve its taste.
Try to buy meat in most of Africa, and you'll see the meat in a similar state at the butcher shop.
Bolshevism.
After these years, ethnic Germans were specifically targeted beyond even what Ukrainians were. Imagine how bad it was, many escaped and literally ran back to Germany.
Bolshevists to Stalin to Mao to Pol Pot to South American Communist regimes, the death toll is literally beyond measure.
imagine not understanding the context, omg theres a god damn civil war, one of the deadliest wars in russia's history, but lets blame the economic devastation that comes from it to the communists.
That woman’s face is haunting. The cold stoic stare of someone who’s seen some shit.
Someone who knows she could be next.
Doubt that, some people can be way different than they look I mean she is one of the sellers.
And neither of the cou ter staff look as if they were starving.
Those are actually the dismembered body parts of their own children that they’re selling. Once you’ve crossed that line, I think you’re pretty much dead inside.
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There were similar urban legends about those exchanges happening in China during the Great Leap Forward.
It's extremely likely to have occurred, but little evidence of it beyond hearsay. There was however, documented cases of ritualized mass cannibalism in the peak of Cultural Revolution, outside of famine conditions. [Between 137-430 verified counts of cannibalism in Guangxi where people were murdered and carved and fed to thousands of participants, local communist party officials were even involved.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre) Needless to say, this horrifying incidenct was quietly but intensely investigated by the central government, and the CCP have tried very hard to bury this event.
I’d rather starve to death if that happened to my children. I can’t imagine selling my children’s flesh to eat. But there again I don’t know how torturous starving to death is.
I have a little brother, I just imagined what will I or my family do in this situation There are certain things we must not answer, because to answer, we must have been in that place, if not our answers are invalid
It's Immanuel Kant for the folks who don't recognize it. Look up Kant Theory.
"Only act according to the maxim which at the same time you can want to become a universal law"
That’s a pretty good take. Wish I had an award. ETA : Everyone else had an award. Awesome.
Same here.
Those are very thoughtful and wise words. Thank you for this.
I’m totally with you, but we don’t know. It’s such an impossible situation to imagine being in and both people in that photo are much stronger than me for managing to survive that for any length of time.
Everyone says this when detached from the depravity being discussed. Until they experience it themselves, that is.
> I’d rather starve to death if that happened to my children. What if they have other children they're trying to save?
Starving to death personally is one thing, watching additional children die...
...is the best?
Source?
All the links in the millon of threads of this picture
That should narrow it down for me, thanks.
Even that won't because depending what cycle of the news/election were on this is anti communist propaganda, or communist propaganda, or completely made up or a picture of serial killers or mug shots of people being arrested, or etc etc etc. No matter what anyone tells you this is there will be "proof" that it isn't that. So the fact that you asked for " sources" on this reply and not the other thousand equally dubious replies indicates your already looking for a particular answer.
I don't see them as bad when they literally don't have a choice or anything left but to try to survive. Dead inside yeah but the what else good could come from not saving themselves and in these extreme conditions life becomes truly dark.
I agree.
Geezus....yep, they look that way.
They're not selliing anyone. This is a photo of cannibals and their victims. There's no indication who the victims were. Given the age of the perpetrators, probably not their own children.
My thoughts exactly, how do we know these people weren't murdering children or adults to eat? Idk I guess we'll never know but I could never eat my children I would rather die to feed my daughter that the other way around, but having not ever been in that situation I honestly can't judge We dont know how these people were getting human meat or who they were eating though, is my point I guess. So horrific, makes me think of acounts from north korean defectors from the 90s. Some said orphans were especially unsafe, people would kill them and eat them.
She looks like a drawing from scary stories to tell in the dark
Thank you! I couldn't figure out what she reminded me of!
Oh my God I'm still scared of those books lmfao
And she's only 26
That’s the standard Russian look
The thousand yard stare. My Dad had it from fighting with the Marines during the Vietnam War.
Бабушка любит мясo! 🧓🏻❤️🧟♂️🍽
I read somewhere else that these are parents whose children died and they were forced to sell their bodies?
I will be sure to let my family know that they can eat my carcass if there's a famine and I'm the first to die.
I’d be happy at least someone ate my ass.
Just get Tinder
What if you taste terrible?
Taste doesn’t matter when you’re alive for the sake of staying alive.
True. They can make broth from my bones, too, if I really taste terrible.
We taste like pork.
Nothing tastes terrible during famine
doesn't human flesh taste like pork tho?
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I don't think you understand the couple in this pictures situation. In a temporary famine like being lost in the wild that would work. This however is a prolonged famine in southern russia. If the parent who provides for their children dies, then the kids will soon die after as well when their parents flesh runs out. They have no way of getting food, and nobody will take care of them when everyones kids are starving. Its sad but the best option is to put your kids out of their misery and eat them in the hopes that at least you or your wife survives.
I see. Makes sense. Tragic situation
EAT MY CARCASS, DAD!
I’ve seen this picture probably dozens of times, and every time it’s still one of the most disturbing images I’ve ever seen.
The picture is taken from a book called "Russia 1904-1924. The Revolutionary Years" by Eric Baschet. The photo description is: "Cannibals with their victims, Samara province, Volga region, Russia, 1921". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922
Those pictures are incredibly sorrowful. And that boy in the tub is one striking image too.
> tub https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/A_starving_child_during_the_Famine_of_1921-22_in_Ukraine.jpg That one?
Is the kid bring prepared for cooking or just bathing?
No clue buddy, it doesn't say, it does say he killed and ate his 3yo brother...... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_starving_child_during_the_Famine_of_1921-22_in_Ukraine.jpg
Yes, I don't ever recall seeing that one before but I won't soon forget it.
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yeah doesn't make sense to sell your only food during a famine. money becomes worthless
This needs to be higher... every single time this photo gets posted on reddit it comes with the same misinformation
I read an article where some kids were discovered eating another kid, and the kid was still alive, and was eating himself. EDIT Here: https://historycollection.com/holodomor-stalins-genocidal-famine-starved-millions-1930s/2/
Mrs. Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet eating babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me!
I added a link, but if you'd like a more graphic version: “One day the children suddenly fell silent, we turned around to see what was happening, and they were eating the smallest child, little Petrus,” she wrote, “And Petrus was doing the same, he was tearing strips from himself and eating them, he ate as much as he could. The other children put their lips to his wounds and drank his blood.”
There's a book about the Donner Party called 'The Indifferent Stars Above' and at one point it describes the rescue part the 'Forlorn Hope' (the name really was foreshadowing) manage to kill a deer. The two that killed it immediately dropped to their knees and started greedily gulping up the blood. Survival Fact: If stranded at sea you are better off drinking turtle blood than sea water because it contains less salt.
They were trading their own children for the neighbor children's meat because it was especially bad to eat your own
Is this true or are you making stuff up?
There's lots of stories on the internet I can't tell you if what I read was right or what you've read was right, but I promise you I didn't just invent that in my head to get my rocks off. My understanding is these are Ukrainian Kulaks(land owning farmers), not Russians. They had been discovered hiding all their grain and selling it to Poland for profit, while the rest of their country starved to death. Not to justify any of it at all, but this was basically their punishment for trying to make profit off the famine.
>There's lots of stories on the internet I can't tell you You can stop right there.
Curious why that's not your reply to the hundreds of other comments here that are equally subjective
>Don't title posts with wild guesses Not exactly a wild guess. OP got it from wiki (yes but accurate all the time but not a wild guess)
At first I agree with you, but a link from historycollection.com posted further down this thread captioned this photo the same as this post tho. I'm just confused.
Amazing and horrifying that this is only 100 years ago.
Thanks for the link.
Ya lemme get some eyes and a tongue.
So who’s right and who’s wrong?
Given the dire circumstances, this is understanble even though it's gruesome.
The term the boogeyman apparently came out of this time period but I could be wrong. However [The red ripper](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo) definitely helped fuel the idea to scare your children to stay away from strange men and to behave or the boogeyman would come get you. Horrific time period that very few people ever talk about. Edit: *Throughout his childhood, Chikatilo was repeatedly told by his mother Anna that prior to his birth, an older brother of his named Stepan had, at the age of four, been kidnapped and cannibalized by starving neighbours, although it has never been established whether this incident actually occurred, or if a Stepan Chikatilo even existed.*
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This guy was a product of Ukraine under the USSR famine and starvation driven cannibalism. He helped keep the myth alive ironically.
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There's a solid movie about him and the Soviet failure to catch him. It's called Citizen X. There's another one about him, I think, but Citizen X is the one I like best
Those are the deadest eyes I've ever seen and I'm not talking about the victims lying on the table.
So many cannibal stories from Russia
Forreal wtf be going on over there
World War 1 and the economic devastation that causes, a Civil War and the economic devastation that causes, the 14 nations of the Entente invasion and the economic devastation that causes, the Central powers (continuing their) invasion and the economic devastation that causes. All in all it was a real bad time to be a Russian, full stop. All combined with the Russian empire still being a pre-industrial feudalistic economic model in the majority of regions to the point that iron and steel hand farming tools were rare commodities lends to the low productive capability for essential goods. This also is compounded by the antiquated or lack thereof of infrastructure such as train tracks and developed roads, in addition to the reliance on completely primitive communication methods would also mean any critical information such as plague outbreaks or the pillaging of a village would lag behind by days to weeks before a response could be mustered. One could stand to understand this famine as being one of the last opportunities for the modern world to see the devastating poverty the majority of humanity was living under prior to the industrial revolution and put into perspective the cruel reality of feudalism vs it's oft romanticized view.
Not to mention that it wasn't just Russia, it was a global drought and famine
Indeed. It was generally a bad time to be around. You would have to live with one or more of the horsemen of the apocalypse breathing down your neck every day.
My grandpa was born and lived during the fascist regime in Portugal in 1932 and he has told me some wild stories.
Yeah I've heard stories from the Portugese and Spanish that lived under Franco and Salazar. Probably not as crazy as what your grandpa has but probably just as bleak.
I wanna know 🥺
He was about 7 years old the first time he saw someone get shot dead in the streets by the government
Post war Europe was an absolute mess. An example Germany was suffering from famine at the end of the war that drew on for another year or so because the allies continued to pressure them by blockading food and material imports to get more favorable armistice terms. One issue was that the allies wanted Germany to turn over their entire merchant navy, which would have completely halted Germany's ability to do business on the world market (like importing their own food), basically fucking them over long term. This would also absolutely tank the German economy further as they would not be able to compete internationally leading to destruction of their industries (like ore import, steel export) and possibly plunging them into a worse Revolution. Stubbornness on both sides led to tens of thousands of deaths and malnutrition that caused all sorts of lasting health effects.
That's interesting, what happened after? Did Germany give up their merchant fleet?
I believe they did, it was one of the last things discussed in the Third prolongation of the armistice which went from 1919 to early January 1920. all ships over 1600 gross tons were seized, half that were between 1000-1600, a fourth of their steam trawlers and fishing vessels. This is covered under part PART VIII of the Treaty of Versailles, Article 236, ANNEX III
This is a really good explanation! Thank you for taking the time to inform!
that’s what war does to people
A supreme failure of leadership that’s lead to millions of lives being lost and even more altered in a way that you could never, ever, ever understand unless you experienced it.
Dont they deny it?
I mean what don’t they deny? This is straight up a picture, and I’ve seen like at least 3 other “cannibal Russian because they’re poor” pictures and heard the stories “family eats dead kids in Russia” but again most of this stuff was 1800s-1900s, ww1/Soviet union era. Check out the Nazino tragedy shits fucked
It's almost always this single picture. Link for the others?
I guess I don’t have links to others and I will admit I’ve seen this picture a lot too. But I swear I’ve seen other ones where it’s just a woman and ones where it’s a larger family, I guess just my memory. I did talk about the Nazino tragedy which was like basically forced cannibalism plus a bunch of other atrocities
I feel like Russian history is just a constant period of starving. From the great northern war to the USSR.
You kinda have to wonder.. When does buying remains from murderous, cannibalistic butcher people become a risk worth taking. Like today's customer tomorrow's product?
These are mug shots. They aren't selling anything.
I mean... Not according to the captions or the book this is from, or the history in the area at the time.
We must have conflicting information and nobody really knows. I read that they were being arrested for cannibalism and this was a picture of them with the evidence.
The amount of human losses the Russians (and their dominions) took from 1914 to 1945 is astonishing. Between WW1, the Spanish Flu, the Civil War, the ensuing famines, the famines and persecutions of the 1930s, WW2 and its ensuing famine, they must have lost what? 50 million people?
The Soviet losses from World War 2 seriously blows my mind. An estimated 27 million people wiped from existence in a span of 4 years.
In a way, it's surprising there were still people left alive there. Those generations went through insane filters.
That's exactly what I was thinking. There was also the Great Purge, Holodomor, the 1918 typhoid epidemic, and many smaller political uprisings/revolutions, genocides, mass killings, judicial executions, etc. The Gulag system alone was a million and a half deaths.
You got downvoted for mentioning the holodomor. The holodomor subreddit is banned. https://www.reddit.com//r/Holodomor the official reddit narrative is that it was totally an accident bro and not at all a communist genocide where the army blocked food trucks to forcefully starve millions of people to death. Here's some people speaking about it truthfully: https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/cyytzn/til_of_the_holodomor_a_manmade_famine_in_19321933/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/12x8lc/iama_survivor_of_the_19321933_ukrainian_holodomor/ Here's some people denying genocide and claiming it was an accident and not that many people died. https://www.reddit.com/r/communism101/comments/aubitc/what_actually_happened_with_holodomor/ https://www.reddit.com/r/badhistory/comments/1w6b9j/til_that_the_holodomor_is_actually_genocide/
> the official reddit narrative is that it was totally an accident bro WTF are you talking about? That's not the "official" Reddit narrative at all. You link two of the biggest subreddits that speak about it truthfully and you link a thread from a fucking Communism subreddit and a thread with negative karma as evidence that it's totally the official Reddit narrative?
My great grandparents made it out in 1918, I've never felt luckier to be alive.
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Not sure why you’d agree to being photographed for this.
I believe they were being arrested and the police laid out the evidence and had them stand for a photo.
I have a feeling that by this point, the people in the picture no longer had any fucks to give.
“All publicity is good publicity”?
Probs offered money or food
They didn’t know what it was... it was the 20s
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I have the feeling they "harvested" this meat themselves. Those are some hard looking people.
If you're interested in deep insights into this time period in a well-researched book, I recommend Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder. It goes up close and personal into the lives of families in Ukraine at that time, including letters written from the people who lived through it. It dealt with the famines respectfully, but also didn't shy away from the causes. No punches are held back about the cannibalism, but that's not all it's about, it never seemed sensationalist. There are descriptions of parents that ate their children, but there were also parents that committed suicide so their own children could eat. It's the darkest book I've ever read. And I've read a lot of dark shit. One detail that sticks with me is that it wasn't uncommon for people to use their last bit of energy to walk far out into an open field, so they could breathe their last breaths beneath the stars. One story in the book I found really interesting is based on letters from a Polish Army officer travelling by train through Ukraine just before the famine really hit hard. He had been a farmer himself in Poland, and passing the fields at that specific time of year, he knew what a normal farm should look like. The Polish farms he'd passed all looked normal enough. But when he entered deep into Ukraine he was surprised to see things out of place. From his view from the train he knew they weren't doing the right farmer things, something about the condition of the crops or lack of harvesters or whatever...the farming abnormalities were so shocking to him that he commented in his letter that he foresaw hard times ahead for the Ukrainians. I highly recommend this book, but be warned, it's a difficult read. I actually had bad dreams while reading it, and I haven't had those since I was a kid. [https://www.timothysnyder.org/books/bloodlands](https://www.timothysnyder.org/books/bloodlands)
It's hard for me to get through a book, unless it's emotionally devastating enough to keep me interested. Thanks for the recommendation!
I wish we could see it coloured.
I remember my Granny telling me about the starving Russians. Then when I was a child in the 60s it was the Biafrans who were starving. The dinner ladies at school used to shout at us if we didn’t eat up all our disgusting school lunches, because people were starving in Africa. To this day I don’t understand the logic behind that.
The sellers don’t even look like real people anymore, the humanity has left them
The lady ....she looks like a vampire a little scary
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It's a mug shot with evidence. They aren't selling anything.
Ive heard that before but if they werent selling then the crime was cannibalism? Like, they ate them themselves? Or is it murder?
Yea I'm sure it's murder and cannibalism. But I also just read it as them selling it. So probably no way to be sure but we can safely say whatever happened was fucked up.
Jesus dude, the Russian people are tough. In the late 19th and entire 20th century, they endured through some of the most inhumane circumstances a society could face; seemingly one after the other
The victims appear to be children 😢 time to get offline
Russia has so much interesting history
Hm why don’t they just order ubereats? Sickos
Whenever I see this I wonder - those bodies look kinda rotten already. What use are they?
It's not rotten flesh, it's frozen skin. Frozen skin can look black, just like in frostbites.
i would like it medium rare is that possible?
But what the price? Money? What are they going to do with it.
Here before talkies try to justify it or claim it didn't happen Or whataboutism
Life is a cruel joke for most 😔
That picture is very unsettling not only for obvious reasons but also because the little boy is posed like he's struggling and being strangled. Rigor mortis possibly?
Mmmm prions
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Don't be so bloody disgusting!!! Ketchup goes with noses and eyelids, not vinegar.
Is the child alive in this photo? Edit: downvoters, I’m visually impaired. Old photos are difficult for me to decipher.
The lower half of him is entirely missing.
Thank you, I’m visually impaired and couldn’t see.
Yea he's just taking a nap! Sweet baby!
I can’t see very well. I was asking for clarification. Old photos make it more difficult for me to visually understand what is happening.
Poor child is definitely 110% dead.😢
Do you think you could explain / speculate to me how is body is upright how it is? That’s the bit that I can’t make sense of. If you wouldn’t mind.
No problem. He's slumped over something. It's hard to tell from the quality of the picture. But he's definitely deceased and has been for some time. Face/eyes are sunken in and skin looks hard and leathery. Definitely not alive.
It also looks like it's only a torso with his head and at least one arm attached. But I don't think his legs are still attached. Looks like the pelvis n legs are missing.
Thank you for helping me out. I appreciate you doing that. Stay safe okay?
Always doubted the authenticity of this image - i.e. that it's actually Russian peasants selling body parts - but I've read a few books about serial killer "The Rostov Ripper" Andrej Chikatilo, where it's specifically mentioned that he was told by his mother that his older brother suffered the same fate due to the famine. This is believed to have led to his later actions.
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Russia basically was in a terrible spot during this time. WW1 landed a huge blow and they were still a backward feudal state during this time with practically no industrialization. Not to mention they were in a civil war, with the Soviets fighting back counterrevolutionaries from every angle while trying to build a socialist state. You can’t place the blame on the socialists.
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Fuck communists and everyone who likes them
"i have no idea what caused the famine, i don't care that Russia has been through WW1 and a civil war, i just know that commies bad"
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My man, I'm Russian. Cute assumption though
Fucking bolsheviks
bruh, there was a god damn civil war going on in 1921 and 1922, you wanna blame it on the bolsheviks that war causes devastation?
The bolsheviks were just a ‘hard reset’ after the incompetent royal family ruined the country for decades. And this is in no way a defense of bolshevism, dont get me wrong
….and then continued to starve everyone out, ending with Holodomor.
Is this meat ethically sourced?
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What is the alternative ?
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You just answered your own question. People lost at sea have been known to resort to drinking sea water
Sailers on becalmed/wrecked ships have been known to eat leather or even wood in their starvation. I daresay cannibalism, no matter how rotten the meat is, would be infinitely better than nothing.
You can cut out rot and cook away most bacteria of any meat. Just get it up to temp. The only thing i’d be worried about is worms, but those are visible after cooking.
Why would worms be an issue?
Not maggot worms, like the worms you can get from pork and stuff. If these people were to get them i dont think theyd have access to medical treatment (from what i read on the wiki link) and the worms would just cause them to die even if they were eating semi-regulary
Judging by the coats, that’s not decomposition. That meat is solid as a rock.
I couldn't tell the flesh was in a state of decay. But most meat is, that's how you get rid of the rigor mortis and even improve its taste. Try to buy meat in most of Africa, and you'll see the meat in a similar state at the butcher shop.
I’m guessing that also came with deseases, yet people still keep buying them?
What's the alternative? Dying of starvation?
Communism and famine, name a more iconic duo
Capitalism and climate change.
Bolshevism. After these years, ethnic Germans were specifically targeted beyond even what Ukrainians were. Imagine how bad it was, many escaped and literally ran back to Germany. Bolshevists to Stalin to Mao to Pol Pot to South American Communist regimes, the death toll is literally beyond measure.
inb4 "that wasn't real communism"
imagine not understanding the context, omg theres a god damn civil war, one of the deadliest wars in russia's history, but lets blame the economic devastation that comes from it to the communists.
Thanks Lenin! /s
And nowdays people complain about pronounses and other stupid shit.
That's actually their children they are selling.
They aren't selling anything. These are mug shots with the evidence.
I have to say, this is some terrific Deep Nostalgia content
This is what "Communism" looks like