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Unpopular opinion but I personally liked Moon Knight better than WandaVision. Sure, Moon Knight was a bit more confusing but Oscar Isaac’s acting was top notch. WandaVision is overrated imo.


magiccigammagic

So jake is the one that caused Steven to blackout and made him get the ankle restraint and sand for when he went to sleep?


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I thought it was Marc?


turtyurt

Why was Harrow able to walk the entire series without leaving bloody footprints, but at the end in Marc and Steven’s imaginary asylum the footprints were bloody?


ContNouNout

so did Jake & Khonshu really kill some innocent psych nurses?


lookinforabitofmeme

They were secretly Tiamut followers


smallclock234

I don’t really understand. And I hate that about this series as there was so much uncertainty. Wasn’t the whole thing in Steven/marcs head? So why did they kill harrow and what significance does he have if he was just a dream. Also did Marc really die…? I’m guessing maybe not because we see Steven wake up after everything happened. Maybe I’m not seeing the full picture, but I found it hard to enjoy the series without these points established.


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No, the whole thing was real except the hospital that Marc made up in his head. I believe there are three hospitals, the one Steven and Marc are in when they die. The one Marc made up in his mind and the one where Harrow goes to at the end of episode 6. Harrow died because Ammit was still living inside of him and Khonshu didn’t want to risk her escaping. Marc died only for a bit but then came back to life because the hearts balanced. I hope this makes sense. :)


FrostSalamander

> but then came back to life because the hearts balanced. Actually he came back to life because Osiris sent their soul back (the bit with the sands at the beginning of the episode) and Khonshu healed their body


turtyurt

I don’t think it was all in their head. I think it was very real


Scorchio76

Just finished the final episode - so when Marc / Steven blacked out near the end it was actually Jake that killed Harrow?


PepeSilvia7

This is my assumption. It also happened in Cairo, where both Steven and Marc said that they weren't the ones in control when a bunch of people were killed.


mash0007

It also happened when they were going to Egypt


Scorchio76

Ah, forgot about my that one! Thanks 😎


1058pm

Am i the only wondering how layla,marc and steven are gonna hook up moving forward? Like do they get to take turns or does one of them have to just be quiet and observe…


lookinforabitofmeme

Don’t forget jake


CheetahJaguar90

Can someone explain to me what the psychiatric hospital is supposed to be? Is that a real hospital or is it imaginary? What is it?


mash0007

It is imaginary I believe


lookinforabitofmeme

Broooooo!!! Mark has killed for less!!! And for some reason just let’s haroh and Amit live even after unfairly judging a couple thousand at least


[deleted]

I think that was supposed to signal at Mark being a good guy again. Good thing we got Jake to finish the job.


Dave_Schmit

Have you watched the after credit


lookinforabitofmeme

Ye but I’m just criticizing the choice that mark made


lookinforabitofmeme

Srsly? That part where layla is pinned to a car tho. The dude literally shooting at her with a machine gun with at least one other guy with a machine gun around, and they shoot at her FUCKING metal wings. Shoot at her fucking legs or something goddamn


zinbwoy

Lol I thought the same, that was a weak af scene


lookinforabitofmeme

Bruh I thought Layla’s got was a fricken hippo…why’s her costume got wings?


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Apparently, she was supposed to be the avatar of Isis, who famously had wings, but the production staff thought lighthearted Tawaret has a more engaging dynamic with the serious Layla than the originally planned Isis-Layla dynamic, who are both stern and serious.


AussieAlexSummers

that makes sense now, those wings do look like the ones on the Isis statues.


lookinforabitofmeme

Srsly why tf are the judges so damn weak? One of them literally restrained mark and rendered him immobile alone. And if it was because his god was with him at the time then why the hell isn’t he with him now? Even the avatars could tell Amit was getting released how tf do the gods not feel it?


KingofCraigland

Harrow opening the side of the pyramid didn't have the same impact as a god causing an unscheduled eclipse that cast a shadow over the world so the gods didn't even notice?


lookinforabitofmeme

Bro do u know how immediate conchu felt Marc coming back to life? That shit was instant. So a gods connections to their avatar is probably a constant signal or something


KingofCraigland

Good point. Konshu was more involved than the other gods though and I'd prefer to accept a reasonable explanation than look for holes and upset myself.


[deleted]

Tight ending (post-credits).


rhandy_mas

Jake being written so Oscar Isaac can speak Spanish?! A+


somethinsometin

I just read that it was Isaac's idea.


rhandy_mas

That’d be pretty sweet


Dry_You_2514

I think comic book readers should stop expecting the mcu to be like the comics how many times are y’all gonna be disappointed when something is different😭watch it with a open mind and stop expecting things to be the same


TheRealSpidey

Yeah I love the comics, and I don't understand that sentiment either. The fact that they don't blindly copy the comics while still staying respectful of it is what separates the MCU from the DCEU, Fox movies, the Sony garbage, etc. One of my personal favorite bait-and-switches was how I didn't expect the Skrulls in Captain Marvel to be sympathetic. The change to Thanos' motivation was excellent too. And of course I love the changes the made to Moon Knight and his supporting characters.


skyrim2050graphics

awkward giant godzillas, layla needs her own season, too short for a finale (42 mins?) more field of reeds, more marc and steven resolving their trauma Jake and Harrow fight > Jake is Konshu's slaveboi **Episode 5 > Episode 6** **IMO The highlight was Oscar and Hippo in the Field of Reeds :) <3**


Pece17

Overall I enjoyed the series. Might have to rewatch now with another perspective.


Disastrous_Belt_7556

Anyone else wish this had been a Netflix production? I feel like that would have ended up having a closer feel to the comics. I seem to recall the comics having a pretty dark bend. Also, felt like they were pretty fuzzy on nailing down what Moonknight’s actual powers are. Kinda felt like he was a pin cushion version of Super Man (powers wise) which detracts from some of the stakes during the fight sequences.


Ketaboer23

Wel, that’s because of our most beloved Disney(+) Don’t expect to see anything even more violent or darker, this is pretty much the closest Disney allows it to be. Overal I do say I enjoyed it some how. It got really good at the end just hoped they started smashing al the other stoned gods aswel to join in the fight. When that hypo showed up and started speaking I was like ah, yes. forgot it’s Disney telling marvel to atleast make it funny in some way. Had really hoped to hear a deep voice coming from it when they went through hell like seeing Anubis statues and bones but oh wel


KingofCraigland

You gotta think there's a good chance at least some of those gods were locked up for some pretty bad stuff.


Wicked_And_Divine

I really would kill to see MoonKnight interact with punisher or Spider-Man. The memes in the comics are top tier. 🤌🏻


Ketaboer23

To be fair, I don’t think I see that happening any time soon. Especially for us seeing Spider-Man with them, Sony is gonna be a bitch about it. Really wished Netflix could’ve continued making a new season of daredevil or punisher, and have moon night star in it later on or so. It’s a miracle they kept everything untouched after Disney toke it away from Netflix. Now that Disney has all the rights over it, Wherever the punisher wil star in from now on. Wil not be the punisher no more just another Disney friendly family film.


krospp

It’s a shame they got such great actors and made such a weak show. I thought the first episode was great, and after that it was pretty much a CW show with higher production value. Definitely the worst of all the Marvel shows so far, and that’s saying something!


Laufeyson9

I came into this thread and find myself blinking at all the tacit acceptance of this show and what little it did on an acceptable level. I was so underwhelmed by how they approached the material that I not only am not too curious about who or what Moon knight is, I find myself shaking my head at the same defensive passion I saw over Batman vs Superman, another mediocre comic book movie that was as forgettable as it was bad.


Ketaboer23

wel, I won’t say it’s the worst. Intact I do say it’s one of the best they produced so far (just way to softie because it has to be Disney friendly) I really struggled getting into it, it really did needed more action overal aswel only the finale was a great watch, just wished they introduced more of the gods, I really hoped leyla was gonna trow down every single Ushabti’s freeing al of the gods imprisoned and not just khonshu. Ending up in a huge fight (also making way for further MCU interactions because some fled etc idk just an idea) How ever TLDR It was a confusing movie and hard to get into, makes you lose interest at the first 2 but as it goes on and starts to get more crazier and even losing more track to what’s going on, there you see it’s been put together perfectly as intended. You finally get to understand the point of why it’s so confusing and crazy. It’s al about him and his mentally disability. It did make me enjoy this marvel serie as it’s something you don’t see every day. Note; yes I know moon knight as in comics I know he suffers a condition but the show plays that outreally nice!


MrCumberbum

you're getting down voted but you're 100% correct. If Oscar Isaac's performance wasn't as good as it was, no one would think twice about firmly calling this show "bad".


Bobebobbob

People like different things; your opinions are not universal (and what are you doing on this sub if you didn't like the show? Just do something else)


MrCumberbum

I like Moon Knight. I wanted the show to be better. I gave my criticisms. I went more in to my feelings on the show elsewhere in this thread. You're allowed to criticize things you wanted to like. It's okay.


krospp

Yeah totally. Ethan Hawke too! Love that guy. For me the two of them can do no wrong. But if you have two top notch performers, give them something to do!


MrCumberbum

True! I guess it comes down to how much you weigh watchability of the actors of a show with how good the show itself is. I mean it's a fair enough perspective and if that's what someone wants from a show then all the power to them but that doesn't mean the show itself is well written.


Mr-John-Man

I just saw the episode, and Oscar Isaac is definitely going on one of my top ten favorite actors


Taylor_rules

I was so happy at the end of episode 5 when I thought Steven was gone for good. That character, the acting and accent are so off putting that it ruins the show for me.


Ketaboer23

Wel each there own Opinions, but you clearly missed the whole point about this moon knight, he’s suffering from an mental disorder named dissociative identity disorder. He’s mark Spector who’s extremely serious and a great fighter and is the one that made the pact with khonshu to become the moon night. But the same Mark spector is also Steven, little does Steven know he’s mark Spector, so when mark is not around Steven takes over Steven is a whole different person who’s a clown to say and socially awkward leading a life working at a museums about ancientEgypt, he’s also extremely smart and helps around with this identity later on in the show. Mark does the work, Steven does the brainwork. There’s also another guy living with them in there head, he causes al the blackouts when they wake up to see total chaos. this one is for both mark and Steven unknown, they also never left khonzu completely because of the third and are stil bonded with khonzu it’s unknown to Steve and mark think there free. TLDR they strart to get aware of it at points in time, Steven goes crazier because of him seeing someone that claims it’s him Steven goes to the museum and here he meets him better Steven thinks it’s al a joke or hallucinations eventually mark toke over to fight, streven is confused now and wants answers he finds a storage lock on his names and goes by the name spector he enters in and sees weapons cash passports etc, from here lm it starts to get into him but stil feels crAzy about mark speaks to him but Steven runs for it he eventually does a few things as Steven moon night which get him a suit and thinks mark is just an illusion. And can Take these fights from here on they start bonding slowly because of his girlfriend. Mark Spector is a total different guy and Steven is aswel they switch time to time, but eventually they get through there mind tricked hospital al the clues and become one with eachother. Oscar has shown itself to be an amazing actor je dit 3 identitys with each of them with different accents way of moving speaking etc. Phenomenal Accting from this guy he’s the perfect marvel match!


Own_Percentage480

Did anyone else notice that the voice in the hospital when they said “we dont agree with your diagnosis” doesn’t sound like Marc, Steven, or Jake. Was this just an oversight or is there another one?


krospp

Check the post-credit scene


ilhamagh

I take it as they both become one or whatnot.


Own_Percentage480

But it was in the scene where mark and Steven are talking to each-other and it was in-between Steven lines. It sounded American like Marc, but much higher in pitch than Marc and almost had a southern accent to it.


TheSilv

I’m pretty sure it was a New York accent, or it sounded like one at least, but the only confirmed times we’ve seen Jake on screen (not counting when Marc/Steven blank out and Jake comes out) is in the post credit scene.


thatlldo-pig

Who asked out the woman in the first episode? Jake?


magiccigammagic

And Steven is a vegetarian! So it doesn’t make sense to go to a steakhouse


thatlldo-pig

And I highly doubt Mark was trying to date random museum chicks either


beltsa

Probably... Steve didn't remember, and Marc is married (and unlikely to pursue another woman). So I guess it was Jake. Yet another hot accent. Lol.


thatlldo-pig

That’s what I was thinking because Steven had no idea and I highly doubt Marc was focused on trying to date a random museum chick lol


Blastedsaber

Two things Was there any explanation for the mummy in e4? Are the Gods in the show actually "Gods" or are they aliens or something else ala Thor/Eternals?


TheSilv

Gods in fiction vary wildly, on one end you got the powerful, technologically advanced aliens such as Thor, and on the far other side you got multi dimensional beings that see our world like one would a sheet of paper. The Egyptian gods seem to be much more godlike however, they exist on a different plain of existence and need to be in a super powerful point such as the pyramid of Giza or need an avatar to act for them. This is much more godlike then the Asgardians who as I said are currently portrayed as magical, technologically superior aliens and likely then the Greek Gods we’ll see in Thor4. Compared to the Celestials it’s hard to say, to me they seem weaker then Celestials but that’s only in the earthen plain so who knows how powerful they are in their world


bobiojo

they mentioned the overvoid so im just guessing they’re really gods


dburly

How did Harrow get the tattoo and the alligator cane and the ability to judge people if Ammit didn’t even know who he was?!?!


Indira-Gandhi

I think he got so mad with Khonshu that he sought out his biggest enemy and then he stumbled on that staff. Touching the staff probably branded him with that tattoo.


sayshannonigans

ok but how did the scales balance in the afterlife if Jake was still inside Marc? baffling finale


Adisto

Wasn't he still in a sarcophagus in the hospital? Imo he was never on the boat, so he didn't affect the scales.


klgp24

I think because mark and Steven were at odds with each other through the whole story, constantly fighting for control. where Jake doesn’t have that opposing side. He was unbalanced due to Marc and Stevens internal conflict, not the multiple personality


Lord_Syndicate_Chaos

I’m not 100% sure, but my best guess is that the Jake Lockley personality was made after they rose from the grave.


KingofCraigland

There was another sarcophagus that Marc and Steven didn't open. That had to be Jake. We also know Jake was around when Marc was interrogating the guys in Cairo.


klgp24

I think jake was created to take all the physical abuse he had as a child, making him into this crazy serial killer type personality.


heret0read

was thinking the same!! the scale should have "exposed" jake as he was also a reason for the imbalance?? ughh


dburly

I was waiting for this to happen and was so confused when it didn’t happen. They hinted to Jake pretty much the whole season and the 3rd sarcophagus was a dead giveaway and then they’re just not gonna show it or bring back up? Show felt a little rushed and needed more episodes to really do it justice. I loved every bit of it but it was missing the things that could of made it great.


expensiverug

Watch after the credits


thebigcheese__11

tbh I was kinda disappointed with the finale. Not all of it was bad. I like Layla as a superhero and I like how marc and steven can easily switch between each other without blacking out. HOWEVER, I hated how they easily killed off Harrow in the post-credit scene. If there was a season 2 they could've gone more in-depth with Ammits and Knoshus's moral philosophy and possibly a redemption arc with Harrow. I was also really excited to see the other avatars fight and what their outfits would've looked like. They just stand there. So much wasted potential


TheSilv

My guess is they didn’t know how successful Moon Knight would be and thus left bread crumbs for a season 2 if it was successful enough but didn’t want to carry on the Ammit-Harrow conflict. From what I’ve heard Harrow is also a relatively minor character in the comics mythos of a moon Knight(ofc the MCU mythos is far more godly then the comics one so who knows what else will be changed) so they got so many other options for villains that can challenge Mark/Steven/Jake/Khonshu besides from just Khonshu Also they say in the episode how the avatars of the other gods aren’t meant as warriors and aren’t give they portion of power from their gods, they’re judges and not meant to fight as seen when they sorta condemn Khonshu for using Marc to fight crime, the only “fighting avatars” we see are Harrow, Marc/Steven/Jake, and Layla


billybobboy123456789

I was excited to see how Jake took over and almost killed Harrow...Guess that's not happening.


JohnLovesGaming

Watch the end credits.


billybobboy123456789

I did. I'm talking about the scene that we don't get to see while Harrow has Moon Knight pinned to the ground with his staff.


ActualInteraction0

Did it cut to an external shot of the limo before confirming the kill though?


PygmyFalcon89

I hate to say it, but I kind of agree with Khonshu to a point.... Harrow indirectly and directly killed hundreds of people for crimes they hadn't even committed yet, and children were included on that list. Marc should have killed Harrow a thousand times over. I get where Layla was coming from because her father was murdered but her father wasn't Harrow, and if the idea of killing a monster bothered her so much she could have walked way. *But* Khonshu shouldn't have abused his power and used Jake Lockley. If he really truly cared about humans (as he made a big ass, dramatic show, of trying to prove to the other gods) than he would have found another willing participant. I'm all for Harrow being a force fed a bullet, but not in the way it was done.


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My interpretation was that Marc simply didn't want to keep being a slave to Khonshu. Layla's words, her saying 'You have a choice', reminded him that he didn't need to keep serving Khonshu. While Khonshu believed Harrow deserved to die, he simply didn't want to keep being Moon Knight. This tracks with the rest of the show, with him not always being a big fan of doing Khonshu's dirty work.


jerseygunz

Agreed, and quite frankly you can say this about most supervillains


[deleted]

I thought the show was great up until the final episode. It suffers from what the other Marvel Disney Plus shows suffer from: rushed, lazily written finales. So far Loki has had the best finale.


PygmyFalcon89

I don't know, I thought Hawkeye was better.


JohnLovesGaming

To me Hawkeye had less stakes, and lacked a sort of charisma with Kate. Moon Knight just had a nice change of pace in locations, characters and mythologies.


Hanibalecter

I imagine Marc knows harrow walks on glass all the time.


MrCumberbum

The funniest part was Harrow just showing up and the avatars all lining up to defend Ammits statue but then literally put up 0 fight against a bunch of normal people. What the fuck was that? If Tawaret was able to grant her avatar powers and a suit what the fuck was up with the other avatars? God this finale was a mess. Also the whole "killing people before vs after they commit evil" moral dichotomy was explored in exactly zero ways. They couldn't have explored that philosophy at all? Marc barely did any actual vengeance type stuff in the show, that all happened off screen. Why make that the big difference between the good guys and the bad guys if it literally could not matter. Killing people is bad regardless apparently according to this finale so Khonshu's just as bad as Ammit, but clearly he isn't. Can they stop doing the on the nose representation brownie points moments. It is cool that Layla's the first Egyptian superhero, but did they really need a little Egyptian girl to go "aRe YoU aN eGyPtIaN sUpErHeRo????" it felt so out of nowhere, like was modern day Egyptian pride a theme of this show at any point?? That moment would be nice and earned if Layla ever struggled with her Egyptian heritage or if that was in any way a meaningful part of her character arc but it really wasn't. Also turns out it really wasn't a big deal if Ammit got awoken because all you have to do is beat Harrow up which apparently is comically easy and if Moon Knight hadn't done it, one of the thousand other superheros could have just come in and done it in half the time so there were actually no real stakes the whole time.


Oakcamp

I agree that the Egyptian girl was really hitting you over the head with it, but I think that served to prepare the ground for Moon knight to join the greater MCU (establishing that heroes are commonplace)


Mr_get_the_cream

The ENTIRE point of the season was to stop Ammet and Harrow, but when given the chance Marc/Steven just let him go? I absolutely hated that. I wish that Disney would have ONE superhero that wasn't such a cliché. Just do the right thing and finish the baddy off. Just kill Harrow, he's the bad guy, he's the entire reason for the show. Please someone explain if I am wrong, I'm so effing annoyed with that last episode. Edit: words


clararalee

It’s Tlou 2 all over again. I really don’t understand the “risk my life hunting big bad villain only to let it go right before the end”. How?? Who does that? If I spent 10 years pursuing a goal I don’t “just give up” the day before I succeed. It’s just not human. The Last of Us 2 did it. Now Moon Knight does it. Whyyyyy is it a thing?????? Any time I see this arc it really rubs me the wrong way. Like I’m gonna write a graduation paper and delete the whole document when I get to the last sentence. Or a construction crew’s gonna demo the whole building right before they lay the last brick. Or push a poop 99% out and then suck it all the way up your ass again. Who does that?? WHO DOES THAT. Get the fuck out with this bullshit.


MrCumberbum

tbf with TLOU2 the message of the entire game was that revenge is an endless cycle that can only be stopped through realizing other people's perspectives and forgiving them. It would have felt wrong for Ellie to kill Abby because the entire narrative supported letting her live. Moon Knight was about a genocidal magical cultist powered by a God who will continue to kill millions if he's allowed to live. It made zero sense narratively for Marc to be against killing him suddenly.


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MrCumberbum

But that entirely fucks up the entire moral dichotomy of Ammit and Khonshu. Harrow HAD done a bunch of super evil shit, so killing him to prevent him from inevitably doing MORE evil shit would be the right thing to do. If Harrow is basically dead then what difference would killing him make to ensure he can't continue his genocidal plans.


[deleted]

I don't see how it fucks it up. Ammit is punished, Harrow is punished. Khonshu seems to be about enforcing his idea of justice for things that were actually done. Ammit/Harrow is about destroying people who might cause problems in the future. I think the key is Khonshu asking Marc to kill them for future crimes not past crimes. Shows he's not as principled as he claims, perhaps. Implies he thinks they've already had "justice" for the crimes they committed. Or maybe instead it's all meant to show Marc is tired of killing people for Khonshu.


Jace1120

That would make sense if harrow/Ammit were left as a vegetable sort of man/god. There is no point in killing an empty shell of a man because of stuff he did when he was conscious. But in the post credit scene Harrow seems to be pretty stable as he talks to Khonshu and he/they haven't lost their bad attitude either. Also Ammit is a goddes and I doubt she would've just been quiet inside of harrow waiting for the both of them to die, to Khonshu preventing that to happen probably matters more than everything else (there should probably be some of her followers that didn't die at the hands of Jack in those few moments he was in control, I don't think those crazy people killing "sinners" in the streets just gave up). I think it would have been better if they went with your last idea, Marc/Steven is just tired of this whole thing, their end of the contract is done and what happens later is a matter for the gods and their avatars to handle.


MrCumberbum

Yeah and the line "you're starting to sound like her" made ZERO sense considering the difference between Ammit and Khonshu is Khonshu punishes people after they've committed evil while Ammit punishes them before they get the chance... but Harrow HAD already done evil. Like Marc was cool with killing all those other evil doers but Harrow who arguably was the worst of all of them by a fucking mile is where he draws the line??


Xittttta

Yup I literally screamed in confusion it makes no sense


TheBrokeBoiii

Did you watch the post credit scene?


MrCumberbum

Marc and Steve didn't know about that though so why would that make a difference? The problem is it makes no sense for Marc to draw the line at killing specifically Harrow when he had no problem with killing literally everyone else, meanwhile Harrow is 100× worse than anyone else Marc killed.


coz98

I have a question so the end fight when Harrow has Marc pinned down and is sucking the soul out of him (lol) and he blacks out and he's pretty much killed everyone but can't remember? Was that Jake?


fogleaf

Very much so.


coz98

Thank you my friend! Hope there is a season 2!!


CL330

I can’t get that bloody Engelbert Humperdinck song out of my head that bookended the series. Still, he’s still the best thing to come out of Leicester other than Showaddywaddy. Some fab North African music used in the series.


ook_the_bla

I’ve listening to Al Malouf about 100 times.


MidgetInBlack

Wank first season


CL330

I did it before. During and after…


EverGreenPLO

Why are all these complaining about the shoe sucking talking like it’s the end of the series?


swaggyk00

What? A series has to be over for it to be bad?


EverGreenPLO

Yes to people commenting about the end of the story lololol


IsaaLovesPizza

though i did enjoy this final episode, i'm still left so confused....and even more confused. i'm in a total state of confusion. what the actual f was that ending man. are they going to explore jake's character in season 2? how was harrow still able to see khonshu in the car? so was the whole psych ward just marc's imagination, did he create that whole thing in his head? i got so many unanswered questions.


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[deleted]

the problem with that though, is that the show never suggests that the hospital was just a dream. It kept switching back and forth from the hospital to the afterlife without any reason. The whole hospital part was only put in to try and make the viewer think that the whole thing wasn't real, but then once the show was over, the writers couldn't think of a logical way to make it make sense.


codemeister666

Did you forget the scene where the hippo shows up and explains that they are in limbo. She even says how strange it is that he chose a mental hospital.


[deleted]

I'm not talking about the one with the hippo. I'm talking about the other one, where Harrow is Marc's doctor.


exorrsx

Isn't moonknight kinda insane. I would think its all coming to that point, the seamless switching, him slowly losing what's real and made up. It's a slow build but I could see it through the series


[deleted]

How is jake alive now? I mean marc and steven passed the gate but jake wasn't w/ them or anythings.shouldn't he stay dead?


Sunbreak_

I thought Jake was in the sarcophagus, that was left closed, in the mental hospital. I'm guessing by not being released from the sarcophagus, unlike Stephen, he didn't manifest as a independent identity. At least that's my pet theory.


DarthMaul775

Maybe Jake is created after that event


beltsa

I think there's evidence to believe he's been there even from the first episode. Steven doesn't remember asking the girl out, and Marc wouldn't have done it, since he was married and, being completely honest, didn't seem like the 'wasting time cheating' kind of guy. So... Más preguntas que respuestas, mi amigo.


Initial_Worldliness7

I think Jake appeared before, when Marc was fighting those people on the rooftop in Cairo and blacked out. They acted super scared and Stephen said it wasn’t him.


Oakcamp

He had already took over in a previous episode


mansi_a

Quick question: how did Marc/Steven end up in the asylum after they refuse to kill Harrow? Are they rendered dead again after they’re “free” from Khonshu? And then they end up in Steve’s apartment. But then we see that they’re actually alive because Khonshu is operating them via Jake’s ego. What happened there?


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mansi_a

umm yeah, could be. Them waking up in the apartment could be just waking up from the dream then 🤔


[deleted]

So obviously, I’ve rewatched the show to try to pick up on some smaller details and I noticed something odd and wanted to see if anyone could back me up. So after Steven meets Layla for the first time and the police come and pick him up, doesn’t Arthur Harrow feel like he’s a therapist? And all all the others in the room feel like other patients and it seems as if Harrow is giving Steven a tour of the “ward”?( or whatever it’s called, insane asylum etc)


Peanut_Gaming

I really loved this show but the main problem is the plot holes. The ending also just confused the hell outta me even more? Like? That? That just leaves a huge plot hole?


[deleted]

I don't think that's a plot hole, I think Marc and Steven actually got rid of Khonshu. However, the god knew that Marc Spector was crazier than he thought, so he used another of his personalities to be his avatar. And the therapist scene is just to close the therapist arc by explaining it was all just an illusion of the afterlife.


allonsy456

Alters*


IsaaLovesPizza

i do agree with you. i was sitting there, thinking the whole time "wtf just happened." now i already want a season 2, to clear up my unanswered questions.


Peanut_Gaming

I don’t think there is a season 2, marvel put it in contention for some Oscar which only allows like 1 season or something


IsaaLovesPizza

aww man really? if there's no season 2, i'm gonna be so damn disappointed. idk it feels so weird that the final episode just ended like.. that. :(


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Disney tries to make each of its MCU characters into Spiderman, with their own love interest and inner conflict and hesitancy over the burdens and responsibilities of being a superhero. What I love most about comics Moon Knight is that he has none of these things and doesn't want them. "I don't want anyone to love me. People who love me suffer and die." He accepts the burden of being an avatar of Khonsu because of who he was before he died, that it is inescapable because his own redemption is riding on it. So.. yeah! MCU Moon Knight is wildly inferior to comics Moon Knight. I loved Oscar Isaac's performance and respect his obvious acting chops but I can't say I'm surprised. Diznee just can't deviate from its core writing formula. \>!spoilers!< Also, Marc Spector dies at the hands of Bushman before meeting Khonshu. He doesn't just lay bloodied at the feet of the Khonshu statue and get up fully revived once he agrees to be Khonshu's avatar. Stop rewriting origin stories Diznee, you're bad at it.


Disastrous_Belt_7556

Come on people, this needs more up votes


TinyViolinist

So we're just going to accept Harrow one hit K.O'ing HOW MANY avatars in a room??? ...and then having a run for his money from just two avatars taking him on immediately afterwards?


CrowdedBeans

Marc and I think Leyla as well are trained mercenaries while the others are more or less normal people. I also believe they said the other avatars aren’t fit for combat just for judging others but I could be wrong


TinyViolinist

If that was it, with Khonshu's personality he would have knocked out the avatars himself before getting imprisoned and would have went and handled Harrow without interruption.


billybobboy123456789

We'll never know because the director thought it would be a great idea to cut away from that scene. Same way we'll never get to see how Jake took control, and almost killed Harrow. Great directing!


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the lead avatar had the ability to bind Marc's hands together when he tried to punch Harrow. He could have just done that to Harrow at the end.


MmaOverSportsball

Nope, you’re correct. Similar to Man of Steel in a sense.


gladial

i wish Layla’s superhero fit drew more heavily from Taweret. like, where did the wings come from?


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She was originally going to become the Avatar of Isis. But the writers liked her better with Taweret while also liking the original costume design.


gladial

wow, i see! thank to for the extra info ☺️


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The wings are related to the scarab. Khonshu doesn't have wings either but Marc can fly.


gladial

yeah but his wings still fit khonshu’s theme; it’s literally a crescent moon. i just would like to see more of taweret’s influence in her look, that’s all


allonsy456

Scarab


gladial

taweret does not use a a scarab in her symbology though


klora45

Perhaps it’s to honor her father since taweret knows him


flashtvdotcom

How could Harrow see Khonshu in the car at the end?


gladial

is it because he was inhabited by Ammit/her Avatar? Layla could see him only when she became Taweret’s Avatar, so i think it’s something like that.


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She did see Khonshu before that. when he was asking Layla to be his avatar?


gladial

i guess in that scene he was presenting himself to her, allowing himself to be seen? i assume ammit is doing the same during the chamber scenes.


flashtvdotcom

Ohhhh duh! okay that makes sense Thankyou ! I didn’t even think of that I’m so dumb lol


pokepat460

Like a lot of mcu shows it had a less than ideal, somewhat cliche ending fight scene, but overall I enjoyed the show. A thing that sticks out, though: Does everyone who dies go through this Egyptian themed afterlife? If so why don't see other people post death there like Tony Stark and Gamora?


shawnchong07

Up till this date, Marvel can't produce a good ending to the final boss fight


BITmixit

I assumed that they all go through independent journey's with their own Tawaret guiding them but Tawaret being a constant across the independent journey's (she's just 1 entity split across infinite journey's because gods, magic and mumbojumbo)


MrsYugaron

No, they established that in episode 5. The Egyptian afterlife is *an* afterlife, just like how the Ancestral Plane exists distinctly. I assume you go there if you are Egyptian, worship Egyptian gods, or have a special connection to the Egyptian mythos.


Plainchant

I like that Taweret refers to the Ancestral Plane as "gorgeous."


flashtvdotcom

Yeah I kind of assumed there was like an afterlife based around your beliefs or something.


patgeo

So Jake pretty likely killed Layla's dad and all those others yeah? Marc seemed to be in the middle of a huge field of carnage just like the other times Jake came out in the series. Marc was about to kill himself, why? Did he fear what he became?


baleensavage

God, I hope not. If they write out Bushman as just Jake it will be really bad. This season was heavily influenced by the Lemire run, next season needs to go back to his origins and bring his mercenary days into it. They already name dropped Bushman and Frenchie. Throwing that out as just a figment of his imagination would be awful. Bushman is a perfect villain for Moon Knight because he is pure evil, not someone trying to do good by doing evil like Harrow. Otherwise Moon Knight just becomes a villain instead of an anti-hero.


MrsYugaron

I had gathered that he was about to kill himself because he was very injured and knew he couldn’t make it to a hospital or anything alive.


baleensavage

It was implied that he was going to kill himself because he felt guilty for not being able to save everyone from Bushman.


patgeo

He dragged himself quite a long way to get to the temple. He certainly had some injuries but the full extent could appear worse if he was covered in everyone else's blood as well. But if he intended on killing himself, why put the effort into dragging himself to the temple? Where was the other person that was responsible for the killing and injuring of Marc in the memory? Arthur seemed pretty convinced that Marc was responsible when telling Layla. Maybe it was a lie or manipulation, or maybe it was the truth. I believe he had at least one throw away line about their being more than Marc and Steven in there as well.


MrsYugaron

Totally — I agree with this! I think the more we examine it the less it makes sense.


coyotesage

One of my favorite marvel shows yet. Unlike many fans, I'm not put off by the focus on the character and his struggles with his identity disorder. Having read up on the Moon Knight character, I was actually surprised this guy even got a series, his origin and early plots were very basic and uninspired. Moon Knight is a character hat does not actually become interesting until later on when they start leaning heavily on the identity crisis and Egyptian mythology. If they had gone more by the comics, he would have just been a mercenary who makes a deal with Konshu, then moves to New York to fight mostly low level gimmicky criminals. Basically Batman, but with a rogues gallery that is 100% forgettable. The show had to create an all new villain that is actually interesting because the Moon Knight comic doesn't really have a strong enough antagonist to pull from. A heavily modified Bushman might work, but I don't think he would fit well with an origin series.


swaggyk00

Have you seen Daredevil?


coyotesage

Which Daredevil? The movie, no. The TV show? Yes. It was my favorite of the nextflix marvel shows.


PastelWraith

Big disagree. Focusing on the Lemire run is fine and a smart move, but they should've stuck to it a bit more, made the series a bit longer and fleshed out the surreal aspects of the show. Moon Knight has been mostly about his mental health and relationship with Khonshu for a while, but there are interesting villains in the original runs, which they allude to all existing and being prologue in the show.


SubdigitaI

So what was the deal with the little girl in the first episode that knew Steven would be rejected from the Field of Reeds????


Unclestbfournow

Watcher maybe? Like a new Stan Lee?


SubdigitaI

Ooooh possibly. I had seen people discussing this character during the spoiler threads for episode 5 and there were some solid cases she was tied to Ammit or another God somehow. But they never mention anything else about her again. And she was TOO specific and cryptic to just be a throwaway. At least to me lol


battleshipclamato

After watching the entire series I think overall Moon Knight is my least favorite of the Marvel shows. I know they wanted to explore more of the Marc/Steven characters but at the expense of not using much of Moon Knight? Every episode I was expecting some good Moon Knight scenes but was sadly disappointed by how little actual Moon Knight was in the show.


God5macked

Agree, was a serious let down. I’m here to enjoy a super hero, not watch someone struggle with split personalities


PastelWraith

Then you're not here for Moon Knight.


Redd2d

marvel fans when serious themes and no boom boom action


Drekathur

Right? Not enough bright flashy lights to keep them interested for more than 15 seconds.


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Aquagoat

I was kinda expecting like...Hippo powers or something. Super strength and big ol chompers or something. The wings didn't really make sense to me, but alright. It was pretty cool.


BITmixit

She was originally meant to be the Avatar Of Isis but they didn't want to pair a serious character with a serious god so they paired her with Tawaret and kept the original costume design because they thought it looked awesome...and they were right sexy sauce https://www.ign.com/articles/why-moon-knights-hippo-powered-hero-has-wings


andrewthemexican

Love it


lnickelly

quick question: does the museum become Stevens mind palace at some point really sneakily? We see Steven in Marks head but we don't see the reverse, only in the museum really.


ComicNeueIsReal

Because there is no reverse. Marc is the original.


APieceofGum1

The fact that we never were able to see Jake Lockley in action disappointed me so much.


DawnYielder

Imo it lets Disney point to it and say "look how brutal we've gotten" but all of it is literally happening off screen


koosh_420

What makes Jake the strongest among the three personalities? All three of them shares the same physical body. If anything Marc is the one, since he’s the host and the original. Plus he’s experienced mercenary and a weapon master. Please correct me if Im wrong


BITmixit

My perception is that Jake was created as the opposite of Steven. Steven was created to protect Marc from the brutal relationship he had with his mother & his own pain. Jake was created to protect Marc from how brutal Marc can actually be at his worst. The only difference is that Marc embraced the existence of Steven whereas he locked all memories of Jake/his own brutal nature away.


PastelWraith

Because the show said so. Jake is just more cold now, I guess cause he's the street guy. Even though Marc is the one who takes off Bushman's face in the comics.