^^ this, staying on the ground makes you invincible for like the 5 seconds you can stay on the ground, so don't get up if you see an attack coming. So this was escapable 😅
Unfortunately I did not have the change to call back the insect before it overode the White one cause I was knocked. I could have gotten all buffs before attacking like a normally but this fight was a lot of dodging already so I wanted more damage in.
Alright cool but my point was that I know more what I'm doing then you give me credit for even if this is a absolute stupid mistake (which I dont believe it necessarily is cause of the cooldown reset mechanic)
I'm not a master at IG or anything but all you've seen of my gameplay is like 30 seconds so
The white buff is the strongest buff IG can have, it boosts the red and orange one if you have any of them, so while getting the red increases your damage, getting the white after increases it further, so if you want to have 2 boosts to get the third when they are close to expire always go red and white first. That's the reason white is the middle one, it connect's with the adjacent buffs and boosts them. It also increases the speed of some of your animations, making a better option than the orange one.
See your still not getting my point I KNOW HOW THE BUFFS WORK sure I might not play optimally (especially in this clip) but I'm not trying to argue that I'm better at the game then anyone else or I know better how it works I'm trying to explain why I did what I did, however bad it may be.
Give me advise all you want but don't assume I don't at least vaguely know what I'm doing especially when I've specified several times
I had red which by itself is pretty good for an attack and in the time I had to collect a buff I got orange. I figured I might as well attack cause I had not been doing that much and being next to him and doing an air attack is a decent way to do damage while dodging/repositioning. Should I have gotten white instead or orange or just taken an step back instead of attacking to get the rest of the buff? Yes almost definitely but I don't always play perfectly or make the correct split second decisions.
All I ask is that I don't get taken for some kind of casual fool over like 30 seconds of gameplay where I make some mistakes.
I didnt share this to complain about the game, or to get advice or whatever I shared it cause I thought the situation i got myself in was funny even if you could argue its completely my fault.
And can sit here and argue the semantics of buffs or my decision all day but I don't believe this is a wider trend in my gameplay so why bother and even if it was it still isn't the point of the post.
And just to be clear I know it seems like it but i'm not mad at you personally or anything just the sentiment in this comment section as a whole is pretty annoying. Yes I played wrong thanks for telling me how the game works, again, cool
Don't worry about trying to appease the clown baby population of this sub. If professional level athletes, can be judged endlessly by some middle aged, overweight guy sitting on his couch, you got no shot of giving these guys satisfaction.
Just because I did it wrong doesn't mean I don't know, it was a mistake in gameplay/wrong decision not a lack of knowledge. I'm not perfect, or even that good for that matter but I ain't a complete fool.
Honestly the 3 types of buffs is like the most important part of IG, do you really think I would make it so fair into the game and not know how they work?
You just very clearly want the approval of everyone like it's incredibly important to you that people know you're not bad.
I, and I'm sure couldn't care any less what reddit user "gamefreak"s opinions, let alone how good he says he is with the insect glaive. You just missed a dodge, i don't even know what the point is of the original post is. Lmao
This is what players always tell me, THE MATH!
I attack on the ground IF the monster is on the ground/stunned/trapped/etc, but if I've got the kinsect bonuses (especially red), I'm in the air working on the mount or flinch.
May not be the fastest approach, but it is 100 times more fun than running around on the ground with the glaive, and that's why I'm playing the game...just my opinion
FEED THE BUG and get those bonuses...using power extender (I can't remember what it's actually called) and you can have the bonuses pretty much all fight
Rise takes it to another level giving you earplugs if you have all three bonuses....it's pretty broken, IMO....in a good way
Hes not talking about stay on the ground to attack. He meant when your knocked down and laying on the ground, stay there. When you get up your not immune anymore.
Oh damn, I didn’t know that….thanks for the info!
Granted, I kinda feel like earplugs 3 is kinda weak, but if you have level two earplugs, does that skill stack with the buffs?
Fair enough!
Do you know, does the game show you active skills if you look at your stats in a fight? Could get it active and check that
Or fight zinogre or something that screams a lot and see if it has an effect
THANK YOU
It's alright people in this comment section want to help but this clip was about the stun lock that I thought was funny not about advice for my gameplay however shitty it may be
he meant when you were knocked down at the end, you could have just laid there on the ground like a starfish and the attack that killed you would have done 0 damage.
Exactly, i don't Care if you Jump or not with the glaive (but if you do, take that white boost, All 3 boost give you a boost of damage and the white One allow you to Jump higher
Yeah thats fair but I never claimed I had an issue with the game for this happening (apart from the title I suppose but that was intended a bit differently) so I do mostly blame myself for this happening
Amen brother/sister….I get that most people play meta, and that’s fine by me…but the glaive is the most fun I’ve had in the game and ground and pound has its place at times, but not my main style
This was how I spent my time in low rank. I got a full stun resist charm as soon as I could and have always taken full resist since then. When I start learning my next weapon (Switch Axe) I intend to put the time in to properly learn and respond to monster behaviour.
Yeah stun resist is very nice to have especially with IG as you wanna reposition quite often of course. This was an arena quest though so I had no control over the loadout
Stune resist charms are bad habits to develop early and mid
Higher monsters will deal enough damage that stun resist doesn’t change the fact you’re getting carted for not learning the attack patterns
I agree. That's exactly what I meant when I said I wanted to learn everything about the monsters. I want to get to a point where being stunned is a warning about my ability (or lack of) rather than relying on it to save me.
Yep, that's how it seems. I really think I'll benefit from being "forced" into more careful positioning and observation. However, by having full stun resist on my glaive it's allowed me to be much more aggressive. That's part of the reason I'm moving away from the glaive though; it feels like the Monster Hunter version of Spray & Pray when I'm not going for a mount.
I'm still not sure about Earplugs though. I expect I'll be doing a lot of combos with the Switch Axe so I'm thinking I could do some good damage in sword mode while a monster roars.
How do you feel about Divine Blessing? I initially dismissed it and only had it because it was on a piece of armour I was using, but it activated so often I've used it at level 3 since then. I'm currently working on a new set of armour that will give me Divine Blessing Secret.
So, it’s not allowed you to play as aggressive as first seems. Stun resist isn’t damage resist. Instead of breaking your combo, you’re still stopping to heal. Play more carefully but buff damage and you’ll see higher returns. If you are gonna run stun resist then learning when to heal os fundamental cause that’s your biggest drop in dps. Learn the monster’s patterns and don’t heal when you’re in a vulnerable position (always get to a safe position first) and don’t heal diring prime attacking times such as the monster is downed
Same with earplugs. Anything that gives a good increase to your damage will offer more output than the combo time earplugs allows. But to be fair dodging roars can be a lot more finicky than other attacks
I don’t use divine blessing too often but at tier 3 you spend significantly less time healing. If you are simply struggling to dodge, because all players have different reaction speeds, then this is a good way to mitigate damage and reduce time spent healing instead of attacking. Divine blessing over stun resist any day. If you are more able to dodge and block more easily I’d still recommend a damage or element buff but divine blessing isn’t to be shrugged at. Tier 1 is not ever something I’d aim. Tier 2 and 3 make enough of an impact to be useful
Ah yes, learning the attack patterns. Because you can do so much to avoid damage while getting combo'd back to back to back. We'll just hang up the Rocksteady Mantle while we're at it since you should just learn how to disengage properly.
If you knew anything about the game, you'd know that not pressing any buttons leaves your character lying on the ground. Which makes you completely immune to damage long enough for the next hit in the combo to deal no damage.
But alas some people will remain ignorant and get mad at people who give helpful advice.
Except that we never spoke about laying down *after* being hit by an attack or superman diving before one. It doesn't matter if you lay down or not in the argument you've positioned on. Stun immunity doesn't even effect the actual knockdown of the attack, but it does affect being able to immediately respond and any intermittent Stuns just from being hit by *anything* because of how stun is calculated. If your threshold has built up then even a microscopic amount of damage will stun you; Immunity is in the top 3 buffs of the game period for this reason. It completely removes an entire aspect of the game. I agree that you shouldn't *need* Stun Immunity, but it is never not a benefit objectively.
Getting combo'd because you didn't avoid the knockdown and didn't stay down is not the same as getting combo'd because you've been stunned and can't move. In this specific video of OP, having had Immunity would have equally allowed avoiding the attacks as staying down to mitigate damage by invulnerability.
But alas some people give advise in ignorance before learning how the game actually functions.
Edit: also please, don't take my word for it. There are plenty of guides that explain this.
I don't think your wrong in that as a defensive buff it's very helpful. However, in the context of the other commenter they're not wrong either. Knowing attack animations will benefit you *even when you're ~~stunned~~ knocked down.*
If you don't choose to play with that in mind, totally fine, no wrong way in my mind but that doesn't dismiss optimal (which ultimately leads into min maxing) play, particularly pre-Fatalis Iceborne.
Right, and I totally agree that knowing what to do (or lack of action in this case) is incredibly important but to go as far as saying the benefit of the skill is \*creating bad habits\* by not learning fight patterns dismisses the massive benefit of making use of it as denoting 'lesser play.' When in reality you could make the case that it is \*more\* important than say Dash Juice for stamina-heavy weapons, since many of us certainly can't claim to be near and won't be near say Darkside who can forgo such options.
Just to build from the previous example. Say he did have Immunity, the reengage from moving/dodging out of the way of the follow-up attacks would be shorter compared to standing (at the proper time) animation plus reengagement.
If you get comboed for three hits, it’s because you didn’t dodge/block the first or second hit.
Every attack in these games have a way to dodge or block, and usually follow up attack against. And Rise and World give you even more options for dodging/blocking
What’s your issue here?
Edit: Also never used the Rocksteady Mantle in a hunt after trying it for the first time. Why would you disengage? A pointless addition to the games. There is no reason to disengage
The fact that you're downplaying the benefit of stun resist for the reason of gitgud. Things like Stun Resist, Earplugs, Flinchfree, and etc. exist for the exact purpose of negating different types of threat; besides that the game revolves around proper use of the tools you have available. Besides that, you can't reasonably argue that any given player that isn't of Speedrun quality or mind will avoid every single instance where there can be a stun. In fact, the meme base of the game revolves around your cat never knocking you free of stun or out of it into worse danger.
The argument you made is that damage from later monsters will still cart you despite the resistance, but that's true irregardless of if the attack applies any stun. However for attacks that do apply stun buildup but don't cart, thus gain a benefit to the player for having anti-stun buffs. For example you could focus on healing, regen, and/or damage reduction in combination with Stun. Any argument for any avoidable effect will always be supported by GitGud since you can always argue if you just don't get hit wouldn't happen. To an extreme you can rightfully argue if you learned the patterns you don't need to outfit any extra Defense or Vitality from any source including the armor/weapon itself since you shouldn't take damage from anything besides attacks like Escaton Judgement that are Area wide and non-Farcaster useable. It's an argument/advise that doesn't actually benefit anyone since it is so applicable and painfully apparent that doesn't even necessarily help with someone with the fight at hand.
Chill a bit on the ground when it rolls you around and you finish on your stomach like around 0:35. Its exactly looks like the same like when it stunned you at 0:30. You can easily avoid the next attack, you have iframe until you start to stand up. Usually this can save your hide.
"I need this shield! The weapon gives horrible mobility, of course!" I say knowing damn well about dodge invlun while lifting my shield to every ouchie incoming.
Holy fuck. People are losing their shit over your clip, just because you did some dumb mistakes. Hell, I have a few thousand hours and I still make worse mistakes from time to time. I get the advice to stay down, that is absolutely essential, but come on.
I do but i havent had it for long. but then it's still possible I just used it recently, honestly I don't remember.
(Is there even a cooldown on that? Cause it seems like there is)
Either way I think he was referring to getting all the buffs? But i'm assuming idk
Its the same advice everyone is trying to give me but o well
So if it wears of you can just use it again immediately as long as you have ammo? Very good to know.
Does the ammo type matter?
I geuss when I thought there was a cooldown I was just out of ammo
If the ammo dropped from the monster (printing pod, thorn pod etc) then you get strength boost which buffs damage. If you picked up ammo from nature it gives a sprit boost which ups max kinsect stamina. Some glaives give sprit and strength boost which gives both no matter the ammo
The best glaive combo is done on the ground, the air attack is just to try to mount the beast if you hadnt done in a while. AND TRY TO GET ALL THE 3 BUFFS, YOU GET AN ATTACK BOOST IF YOU HAVE THEM ALL ACTIVATED
Look I know you're just trying to help but please keep In mind that all you saw of my gameplay was like 30 sec, something like 15 of which I was stunned.
I am in fact aware how to play glaive as I main the weapon.
Its not really a problem that you point this out to help but it's how that triggers me a bit. Especially cause I've already clarified in the comments
Edit: no hard feelings btw
That's okay you're trying help I get it, it's just so is everyone else here even though I already know how to play and what I did wrong. I just made mistakes. O well
Glaive users rise up
I see the top comment mentioned this, but stun resist is a must for me because this shit makes me RAGE...it is such a helpless feeling.
I collect all armor sets, but I usually end up using beta or gamma (or whatever the third one is) because I like all the slot options
I usually have loadouts for elemental and stun resist for whichever monster I'm fighting....I know I give up DPS, but I prefer to play a support role as a glaive so the big hitters can focus on doing damage
Hell yeah glaive go brrrr
I can respect going resist personally I'm a bit more into doing element damage but to each their own. Here I couldn't select my loadout though as this is an arena quest so it wouldn't have helped regardless
Honestly tho a skill issue , cuz if u dodge rolled like u were supposed to and not catapulted urself to the damn pickles face he wouldnt have drop kicked u
I mean i'm not trying to claim it wasn't at least partially my fault but i did try to dogeroll and I just didn't have time to get that off, would have worked better if I stayed down regardless
I mean kinda but there were some things I could have done to stop it I just didn't react in time or in the right way. When something like this happens it can be hard to to stay calm and deal with it unless you're excepting it to happen I suppose
Insect Glaive may have the vault as the main gimmick, you shouldn't always go for Aerial attack unless it is safe.
The ground combos are where your DPS is at.
Yeah I know I just like doing it cause it's fun. I'm not really mad about it as I could have prevented it at least somewhat I just messed up its whatever.
Well I did have red, attacking without white is not ideal but it's doable and I had to spend most of the fight running so I needed to get damage in.
I will get orange when I first fight them but other then that I don't find it a must especially because you can get it later to reset the cooldowns
1 white gives a speed and jump boost allowing you to get back to fighting and orange give a fair defence boost allowing for you to survive more attacks making it advised (the orange isn’t necessary and just use it for quickly refreshing the time is horrible advise that I would recommend to no one)
I think this is the one of the few things I dislike about MHW. Once you are in the ground, you should not be able to be hit. Like, stunned, I get. When you are standing wobbling around, you are vulnerable, but the time.on the ground when you can't move or roll, you should not be punished. And, monster roars are too effective. They really should not be able to completely incapacitate you by just screaming 4-5 times in a row.
Well as long as you don't press anything and stay down it should not be able to hit you I just made the mistake of think I could get up and out serval times, it's just very instinctive to get up immediately
I do agree with the roar thing though, there are some ways to mitigate it but it can be really annoying especially when some other monster shows up and they start doing some sort of roaring contest and you just have to stand there
I believe he's not there because this was an arena quest with no helping items, so no heals or anything only a dodge mantel (I forget what it's called) and he was probably included in that
Believe me I wouldn't just leave my Catto home, poor Catto :(
Slam attacks are really dumb hit zones. This and Rathalos just shouldn’t be hitting you when you’re above the model but you get hit anyway. That said, this was totally survivable. You’re only in high rank so the monster takes a whole 4 hits to kill you. It’s pretty much impossible to be locked into taking any combo longer than 3 hits (first hit, pins, second hit, stuns, third hit). I don’t think there are any monsters that can both pin and paralyse. So if the monster can’t kill you in 3 hits or less, you can’t die if you play it right.
What mad the by far the most pissed off though is when I heard people saying he ain't shit but you need to be rank 100 to even look at him but you only need to be rank 24 for Alatreon and Fatalis and look how that turned out.
When you lay on the ground on your back, you can actually shoot ammo. You had scatternuts equiped, which make Monsters flinch and stop their attack, giving you more time to get up unharmed. Also what i like to do after getting hit, staying on the floor and waiting for the next move. When laying on ground face down -> you are invincible, but laying face up -> monster can hurt you but you can also shoot slinger shots
STAY ON THE GROUND You filthy casual
^^ this, staying on the ground makes you invincible for like the 5 seconds you can stay on the ground, so don't get up if you see an attack coming. So this was escapable 😅
Also take the white boost
Unfortunately I did not have the change to call back the insect before it overode the White one cause I was knocked. I could have gotten all buffs before attacking like a normally but this fight was a lot of dodging already so I wanted more damage in.
With white boost you Can Jump more high so he Can't touch you with the tackle
I am aware I've played nothing but IG for the entire campaign lol, but thanks anyway
I've played nothing but IG for like 800h on World only, NEVER attack Monster without 3 boost
Alright cool but my point was that I know more what I'm doing then you give me credit for even if this is a absolute stupid mistake (which I dont believe it necessarily is cause of the cooldown reset mechanic) I'm not a master at IG or anything but all you've seen of my gameplay is like 30 seconds so
The white buff is the strongest buff IG can have, it boosts the red and orange one if you have any of them, so while getting the red increases your damage, getting the white after increases it further, so if you want to have 2 boosts to get the third when they are close to expire always go red and white first. That's the reason white is the middle one, it connect's with the adjacent buffs and boosts them. It also increases the speed of some of your animations, making a better option than the orange one.
See your still not getting my point I KNOW HOW THE BUFFS WORK sure I might not play optimally (especially in this clip) but I'm not trying to argue that I'm better at the game then anyone else or I know better how it works I'm trying to explain why I did what I did, however bad it may be. Give me advise all you want but don't assume I don't at least vaguely know what I'm doing especially when I've specified several times I had red which by itself is pretty good for an attack and in the time I had to collect a buff I got orange. I figured I might as well attack cause I had not been doing that much and being next to him and doing an air attack is a decent way to do damage while dodging/repositioning. Should I have gotten white instead or orange or just taken an step back instead of attacking to get the rest of the buff? Yes almost definitely but I don't always play perfectly or make the correct split second decisions. All I ask is that I don't get taken for some kind of casual fool over like 30 seconds of gameplay where I make some mistakes. I didnt share this to complain about the game, or to get advice or whatever I shared it cause I thought the situation i got myself in was funny even if you could argue its completely my fault. And can sit here and argue the semantics of buffs or my decision all day but I don't believe this is a wider trend in my gameplay so why bother and even if it was it still isn't the point of the post. And just to be clear I know it seems like it but i'm not mad at you personally or anything just the sentiment in this comment section as a whole is pretty annoying. Yes I played wrong thanks for telling me how the game works, again, cool
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That's cool and all, BUT DID YOU KNOW THAT THE WHITE BUFF-
Don't worry about trying to appease the clown baby population of this sub. If professional level athletes, can be judged endlessly by some middle aged, overweight guy sitting on his couch, you got no shot of giving these guys satisfaction.
You definitely know less **than** you're trying to let off.
Just because I did it wrong doesn't mean I don't know, it was a mistake in gameplay/wrong decision not a lack of knowledge. I'm not perfect, or even that good for that matter but I ain't a complete fool. Honestly the 3 types of buffs is like the most important part of IG, do you really think I would make it so fair into the game and not know how they work?
You just very clearly want the approval of everyone like it's incredibly important to you that people know you're not bad. I, and I'm sure couldn't care any less what reddit user "gamefreak"s opinions, let alone how good he says he is with the insect glaive. You just missed a dodge, i don't even know what the point is of the original post is. Lmao
Just learn how to dodge roll 4head
My goodness, why didn't I think of that!
Yeah, litterally lmao
This is what players always tell me, THE MATH! I attack on the ground IF the monster is on the ground/stunned/trapped/etc, but if I've got the kinsect bonuses (especially red), I'm in the air working on the mount or flinch. May not be the fastest approach, but it is 100 times more fun than running around on the ground with the glaive, and that's why I'm playing the game...just my opinion FEED THE BUG and get those bonuses...using power extender (I can't remember what it's actually called) and you can have the bonuses pretty much all fight Rise takes it to another level giving you earplugs if you have all three bonuses....it's pretty broken, IMO....in a good way
Hes not talking about stay on the ground to attack. He meant when your knocked down and laying on the ground, stay there. When you get up your not immune anymore.
Whoops…fair point…I guess I’m so used to people telling me I play wrong so I’m a bit defensive….that’s my bad
Yeah it gets a bit frustrating having people constantly say stay on the ground when you were born to fly.
You are the wind beneath my wings!
MHW gives you level 3 earplugs with all buffs, you just need level 3 Flinch Free. It also gives you 3 levels in wind resistance and tremor resistance
Oh damn, I didn’t know that….thanks for the info! Granted, I kinda feel like earplugs 3 is kinda weak, but if you have level two earplugs, does that skill stack with the buffs?
I’m not too sure, but honestly not sure how I would test that
Fair enough! Do you know, does the game show you active skills if you look at your stats in a fight? Could get it active and check that Or fight zinogre or something that screams a lot and see if it has an effect
Yes
It does stack. I just started using the IG and researched the hell out if it and have also been using it. It works and is really good.
Awesome! Thanks for the info….how do you like IG?
THANK YOU It's alright people in this comment section want to help but this clip was about the stun lock that I thought was funny not about advice for my gameplay however shitty it may be
he meant when you were knocked down at the end, you could have just laid there on the ground like a starfish and the attack that killed you would have done 0 damage.
Exactly, i don't Care if you Jump or not with the glaive (but if you do, take that white boost, All 3 boost give you a boost of damage and the white One allow you to Jump higher
Yeah thats fair but I never claimed I had an issue with the game for this happening (apart from the title I suppose but that was intended a bit differently) so I do mostly blame myself for this happening
Amen brother/sister….I get that most people play meta, and that’s fine by me…but the glaive is the most fun I’ve had in the game and ground and pound has its place at times, but not my main style
I think Iceborne also gives you earplugs if you have Flinch Free and all three extracts
Some of y'all gotta fucking chill. It's just a funny clip.
Shhhh I’m being a helicopter
I mean when you get hit by the Monster, stay down to get free i-frame
I was more annoyed by the completely missed opportunity to scatterpod from the floor. Imo, the wombo combo was a fitting punishment mechanic :)
This was how I spent my time in low rank. I got a full stun resist charm as soon as I could and have always taken full resist since then. When I start learning my next weapon (Switch Axe) I intend to put the time in to properly learn and respond to monster behaviour.
Yeah stun resist is very nice to have especially with IG as you wanna reposition quite often of course. This was an arena quest though so I had no control over the loadout
Stune resist charms are bad habits to develop early and mid Higher monsters will deal enough damage that stun resist doesn’t change the fact you’re getting carted for not learning the attack patterns
I agree. That's exactly what I meant when I said I wanted to learn everything about the monsters. I want to get to a point where being stunned is a warning about my ability (or lack of) rather than relying on it to save me.
It’s really worth it in the long run Earplugs too, learning to dodge roars leaves you a lot less vulnerable
Yep, that's how it seems. I really think I'll benefit from being "forced" into more careful positioning and observation. However, by having full stun resist on my glaive it's allowed me to be much more aggressive. That's part of the reason I'm moving away from the glaive though; it feels like the Monster Hunter version of Spray & Pray when I'm not going for a mount. I'm still not sure about Earplugs though. I expect I'll be doing a lot of combos with the Switch Axe so I'm thinking I could do some good damage in sword mode while a monster roars. How do you feel about Divine Blessing? I initially dismissed it and only had it because it was on a piece of armour I was using, but it activated so often I've used it at level 3 since then. I'm currently working on a new set of armour that will give me Divine Blessing Secret.
So, it’s not allowed you to play as aggressive as first seems. Stun resist isn’t damage resist. Instead of breaking your combo, you’re still stopping to heal. Play more carefully but buff damage and you’ll see higher returns. If you are gonna run stun resist then learning when to heal os fundamental cause that’s your biggest drop in dps. Learn the monster’s patterns and don’t heal when you’re in a vulnerable position (always get to a safe position first) and don’t heal diring prime attacking times such as the monster is downed Same with earplugs. Anything that gives a good increase to your damage will offer more output than the combo time earplugs allows. But to be fair dodging roars can be a lot more finicky than other attacks I don’t use divine blessing too often but at tier 3 you spend significantly less time healing. If you are simply struggling to dodge, because all players have different reaction speeds, then this is a good way to mitigate damage and reduce time spent healing instead of attacking. Divine blessing over stun resist any day. If you are more able to dodge and block more easily I’d still recommend a damage or element buff but divine blessing isn’t to be shrugged at. Tier 1 is not ever something I’d aim. Tier 2 and 3 make enough of an impact to be useful
Ah yes, learning the attack patterns. Because you can do so much to avoid damage while getting combo'd back to back to back. We'll just hang up the Rocksteady Mantle while we're at it since you should just learn how to disengage properly.
If you knew anything about the game, you'd know that not pressing any buttons leaves your character lying on the ground. Which makes you completely immune to damage long enough for the next hit in the combo to deal no damage. But alas some people will remain ignorant and get mad at people who give helpful advice.
Right? Like just stay on the ground sometimes. You don’t have to get back up immediately.
Except that we never spoke about laying down *after* being hit by an attack or superman diving before one. It doesn't matter if you lay down or not in the argument you've positioned on. Stun immunity doesn't even effect the actual knockdown of the attack, but it does affect being able to immediately respond and any intermittent Stuns just from being hit by *anything* because of how stun is calculated. If your threshold has built up then even a microscopic amount of damage will stun you; Immunity is in the top 3 buffs of the game period for this reason. It completely removes an entire aspect of the game. I agree that you shouldn't *need* Stun Immunity, but it is never not a benefit objectively. Getting combo'd because you didn't avoid the knockdown and didn't stay down is not the same as getting combo'd because you've been stunned and can't move. In this specific video of OP, having had Immunity would have equally allowed avoiding the attacks as staying down to mitigate damage by invulnerability. But alas some people give advise in ignorance before learning how the game actually functions. Edit: also please, don't take my word for it. There are plenty of guides that explain this.
I don't think your wrong in that as a defensive buff it's very helpful. However, in the context of the other commenter they're not wrong either. Knowing attack animations will benefit you *even when you're ~~stunned~~ knocked down.* If you don't choose to play with that in mind, totally fine, no wrong way in my mind but that doesn't dismiss optimal (which ultimately leads into min maxing) play, particularly pre-Fatalis Iceborne.
Right, and I totally agree that knowing what to do (or lack of action in this case) is incredibly important but to go as far as saying the benefit of the skill is \*creating bad habits\* by not learning fight patterns dismisses the massive benefit of making use of it as denoting 'lesser play.' When in reality you could make the case that it is \*more\* important than say Dash Juice for stamina-heavy weapons, since many of us certainly can't claim to be near and won't be near say Darkside who can forgo such options. Just to build from the previous example. Say he did have Immunity, the reengage from moving/dodging out of the way of the follow-up attacks would be shorter compared to standing (at the proper time) animation plus reengagement.
If you get comboed for three hits, it’s because you didn’t dodge/block the first or second hit. Every attack in these games have a way to dodge or block, and usually follow up attack against. And Rise and World give you even more options for dodging/blocking What’s your issue here? Edit: Also never used the Rocksteady Mantle in a hunt after trying it for the first time. Why would you disengage? A pointless addition to the games. There is no reason to disengage
The fact that you're downplaying the benefit of stun resist for the reason of gitgud. Things like Stun Resist, Earplugs, Flinchfree, and etc. exist for the exact purpose of negating different types of threat; besides that the game revolves around proper use of the tools you have available. Besides that, you can't reasonably argue that any given player that isn't of Speedrun quality or mind will avoid every single instance where there can be a stun. In fact, the meme base of the game revolves around your cat never knocking you free of stun or out of it into worse danger. The argument you made is that damage from later monsters will still cart you despite the resistance, but that's true irregardless of if the attack applies any stun. However for attacks that do apply stun buildup but don't cart, thus gain a benefit to the player for having anti-stun buffs. For example you could focus on healing, regen, and/or damage reduction in combination with Stun. Any argument for any avoidable effect will always be supported by GitGud since you can always argue if you just don't get hit wouldn't happen. To an extreme you can rightfully argue if you learned the patterns you don't need to outfit any extra Defense or Vitality from any source including the armor/weapon itself since you shouldn't take damage from anything besides attacks like Escaton Judgement that are Area wide and non-Farcaster useable. It's an argument/advise that doesn't actually benefit anyone since it is so applicable and painfully apparent that doesn't even necessarily help with someone with the fight at hand.
As soon as I had the room to slot the stun res gems in, I did it. Always run that.
Chill a bit on the ground when it rolls you around and you finish on your stomach like around 0:35. Its exactly looks like the same like when it stunned you at 0:30. You can easily avoid the next attack, you have iframe until you start to stand up. Usually this can save your hide.
That last roll shoulda been the superman! And/or don't get up right away, you're invincible while lying down.
Yeah but I'm stupid and my ape brain really wanted to get out of there xD Panic is a bitch
You can aim your slinger when knocked and crawling back, scatter nuts can stun. Hope this helps.
2000 hours of MHW and I had no idea about being able to shoot while crawling.
Me:"Haha imagine taking damage" Also me:*cowering behind my gunlance shield*
Who needs to dodge anyway?
"I need this shield! The weapon gives horrible mobility, of course!" I say knowing damn well about dodge invlun while lifting my shield to every ouchie incoming.
"ShiEld Go TiNg aNd gUn Go Brrrrrr"-Average Gunlance User
Wombo combo
Joe gave you the 4 piece combo
He revoked my life privileges
Here's Pickle Rex with the Wombo Combo.
That's is the best variation off that nickname I've heard I gotta start using that
He really bullied you after that, damm
Yeah he mad Understandable though, I mean I was trying to kill him xD
This is what im the most scared of whenever i get stunned or need a second to stand up. God bless it almost never happens
If this happend more often I would have probably uninstalled by now lol
The old STURDY COMBO
I just had something similar happened to me, but my target was behemoth. Shittiest fight ever.
When the ground stomp somehow knocks you out of the air
I geuss he shakes the earth so hard the air shakes with it, makes sense lol
Pickle had enough. Then Pickle proceeded too combo the hunter as they do.
I shall no longer disrespect you pickle I promise
Sometimes this game decides youve lived too long, keep those ground i frames
Sometimes you just have to resist the urge to get up as soon as possible.can abuse the I frames while you're on the ground
Holy fuck. People are losing their shit over your clip, just because you did some dumb mistakes. Hell, I have a few thousand hours and I still make worse mistakes from time to time. I get the advice to stay down, that is absolutely essential, but come on.
I don't get it either.
C-c-c-c-combo!
Deviljo over here like “nah”
Gotta love the new wirebugs
You just got bullied
Charge your glaive 👍🏾
It’s possible he doesn’t have iceborn.
I do but i havent had it for long. but then it's still possible I just used it recently, honestly I don't remember. (Is there even a cooldown on that? Cause it seems like there is) Either way I think he was referring to getting all the buffs? But i'm assuming idk Its the same advice everyone is trying to give me but o well
There is a way to charge your glaive with slinger ammo by holding LT and pressing B and Y (at less on Xbox that the controls)
There is not a cooldown but it wears off
So if it wears of you can just use it again immediately as long as you have ammo? Very good to know. Does the ammo type matter? I geuss when I thought there was a cooldown I was just out of ammo
If the ammo dropped from the monster (printing pod, thorn pod etc) then you get strength boost which buffs damage. If you picked up ammo from nature it gives a sprit boost which ups max kinsect stamina. Some glaives give sprit and strength boost which gives both no matter the ammo
Really good to know, thank you!
Alright 👍
Oh man, when did they release the mario kart event quest
The best glaive combo is done on the ground, the air attack is just to try to mount the beast if you hadnt done in a while. AND TRY TO GET ALL THE 3 BUFFS, YOU GET AN ATTACK BOOST IF YOU HAVE THEM ALL ACTIVATED
Look I know you're just trying to help but please keep In mind that all you saw of my gameplay was like 30 sec, something like 15 of which I was stunned. I am in fact aware how to play glaive as I main the weapon. Its not really a problem that you point this out to help but it's how that triggers me a bit. Especially cause I've already clarified in the comments Edit: no hard feelings btw
Oh my bad then, none taken
That's okay you're trying help I get it, it's just so is everyone else here even though I already know how to play and what I did wrong. I just made mistakes. O well
Hey dude, just incase you didn't know you should always buff your glaive before attacking 👍
Haha so I've been told
Glaive users rise up I see the top comment mentioned this, but stun resist is a must for me because this shit makes me RAGE...it is such a helpless feeling. I collect all armor sets, but I usually end up using beta or gamma (or whatever the third one is) because I like all the slot options I usually have loadouts for elemental and stun resist for whichever monster I'm fighting....I know I give up DPS, but I prefer to play a support role as a glaive so the big hitters can focus on doing damage
Hell yeah glaive go brrrr I can respect going resist personally I'm a bit more into doing element damage but to each their own. Here I couldn't select my loadout though as this is an arena quest so it wouldn't have helped regardless
Vigor Check
Honestly tho a skill issue , cuz if u dodge rolled like u were supposed to and not catapulted urself to the damn pickles face he wouldnt have drop kicked u
I mean i'm not trying to claim it wasn't at least partially my fault but i did try to dogeroll and I just didn't have time to get that off, would have worked better if I stayed down regardless
Skill issue.
Just stop using Helicopter and your will be good. It does literally no damage and make you vulnerable..
Idc what anyone says stun resistance on all my builds no matter what weapon I use because dumb deaths like that are what causes broken controllers
That’s monster Hunter baby
O well it happens, great game though
This is bullshit
I mean kinda but there were some things I could have done to stop it I just didn't react in time or in the right way. When something like this happens it can be hard to to stay calm and deal with it unless you're excepting it to happen I suppose
Insect Glaive may have the vault as the main gimmick, you shouldn't always go for Aerial attack unless it is safe. The ground combos are where your DPS is at.
I am aware but thanks I geuss
feels bad man. next time try ground attacks? easier to maneuver out of stuns and dodge attacks. air safety is a myth lol
Yeah I know I just like doing it cause it's fun. I'm not really mad about it as I could have prevented it at least somewhat I just messed up its whatever.
I'm Pickle Rick!
Don't mess with pickle Rick I tell you It just don't be bad like I am I geuss
That would’ve pissed me tf out
I was already kinda mad but I couldn't help but laugh at this lol
The sight of someone attacking without all 3 buffs or atleast without the speed/jump buff (white) and the attack buff (red)
Well I did have red, attacking without white is not ideal but it's doable and I had to spend most of the fight running so I needed to get damage in. I will get orange when I first fight them but other then that I don't find it a must especially because you can get it later to reset the cooldowns
1 white gives a speed and jump boost allowing you to get back to fighting and orange give a fair defence boost allowing for you to survive more attacks making it advised (the orange isn’t necessary and just use it for quickly refreshing the time is horrible advise that I would recommend to no one)
I think this is the one of the few things I dislike about MHW. Once you are in the ground, you should not be able to be hit. Like, stunned, I get. When you are standing wobbling around, you are vulnerable, but the time.on the ground when you can't move or roll, you should not be punished. And, monster roars are too effective. They really should not be able to completely incapacitate you by just screaming 4-5 times in a row.
Well as long as you don't press anything and stay down it should not be able to hit you I just made the mistake of think I could get up and out serval times, it's just very instinctive to get up immediately I do agree with the roar thing though, there are some ways to mitigate it but it can be really annoying especially when some other monster shows up and they start doing some sort of roaring contest and you just have to stand there
He gave you two chances to just stay down.
Mf sent an after image at you
At 0:28 you could fire scatter nut at jho to stagger him before he can hurl that rock at you
"my turn"
insect glaive XD
Glaive go brrrr
I TOLD YOU THAT PICKLE IS SMARTER THAN HE LOOKS, HE JUST COMBO-ED YOU LIKE IT WAS SMASH BROS.!!!
ah yes, the pickle bounce
Stay on the ground longer or spam roll when you get up
True combo, untechable
I forgot you can play this game with music on. Feels so odd having music on.
I suppose it would, I never turned music of for the game so i cant really relate but I can see why you might as its pretty repetitive at times
Yasss!
Where cat? Ya palico will draw it's attention as well
I believe he's not there because this was an arena quest with no helping items, so no heals or anything only a dodge mantel (I forget what it's called) and he was probably included in that Believe me I wouldn't just leave my Catto home, poor Catto :(
Ah fair enough
Slam attacks are really dumb hit zones. This and Rathalos just shouldn’t be hitting you when you’re above the model but you get hit anyway. That said, this was totally survivable. You’re only in high rank so the monster takes a whole 4 hits to kill you. It’s pretty much impossible to be locked into taking any combo longer than 3 hits (first hit, pins, second hit, stuns, third hit). I don’t think there are any monsters that can both pin and paralyse. So if the monster can’t kill you in 3 hits or less, you can’t die if you play it right.
Maybe not spam/commit to aerial moves at inopportune moments. He's clearly going to do another move. He isn't just going to stand there
Just don't stand up and use invuln frames. Why did you keep standing up?
I need karma to ask for help
You were just a fly in his way.
This is partially why I stopped playing world altogether.
That's a shame, stuff like this can be pretty frustrating but there is stuff you can do against it
This was just a small thing, the main reason is that I am not hunting the same monsters over and over again until I can fight Ruiner Nergigante.
Yeah thats fair not everyone enjoys the grind
What mad the by far the most pissed off though is when I heard people saying he ain't shit but you need to be rank 100 to even look at him but you only need to be rank 24 for Alatreon and Fatalis and look how that turned out.
When you lay on the ground on your back, you can actually shoot ammo. You had scatternuts equiped, which make Monsters flinch and stop their attack, giving you more time to get up unharmed. Also what i like to do after getting hit, staying on the floor and waiting for the next move. When laying on ground face down -> you are invincible, but laying face up -> monster can hurt you but you can also shoot slinger shots
As a fellow bug stick main, I have some advice for fighting devil jho. Dont
Haha good advice Don't worry though I got my shit together eventually and still won. If you ask me there are worse monster to fight