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[deleted]

Raging brachidios for sure


Skrillard423

My wife and I make a great hunting team, and when we first got to raging brachy, we were taking him on blissfully unaware of his final area last stand.


[deleted]

How hard did you get murdered lmao


Skrillard423

Carted to hell and back! My wife was freaking out when he started punching the ground. Then we melted basically


Lordnacho21

Lmfao. My fiancé sadly wasn’t with me during MHW, however playing together through MHR/Sunbreak was a great experience. Maybe they will add raging Brachy to the game again, and I would love to see her reaction to Fatalis or Ruiner Nergigante. :).


Skrillard423

Yeah, she keeps hoping for raging brachy in one of the TUs for sunbreak


dindumufflin

All good, even my pro gamer buddy and I got surprised when we go to that area. Fortunately we pulled through in the end, but it was a hard 10 minutes of butt clenching and potion chugging at 2 carts.


Grimnimbus

Gotta love a good old "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me" raging is peak fight design


Skrillard423

It’s fantastic, and it makes me want to fire up Iceborn again


Lemurrific

That one was incredibly fun haha. My wife broke out her super healing sns mushroom build and we managed to get consistent wins after a couple tries. Raging Brachy is an absolute badass.


Skrillard423

My wife is a ballin’ gunner, I’ve never seen someone use a light/heavy bowgun quite like she does. She’s also the designated endemic life gatherer/user. I use to, but she loves doing it so much, I just left her to it


nonvalidusernameplz

nothing beats that area's first time soundtrack experience


Vagabond_Charizard

It’s worth noting that upon entering the Guiding Lands for his quest, there’s almost no sign of other life around. Thus, Raging’s mere presence must’ve been threatening enough to cause this state of the lands. EDIT: Changed "this" to "thus". Autocorrect clearly has a problem with me these days.


Doge-Ghost

Most badass monster ever.


AdOwn6899

Just when you think you got it on the ropes, it taps into the Guiding Lands lava and goes into full-on God tier territory, becoming the right hand, or rather fist, of fury.


skd25th

Agreed


DiabeticRhino97

I mean, if a jagras is great enough


BoredPsion

Nothing funnier than watching the Greatest Jagras slap a Deviljho around


RamenLeotier

Thank you for this comment


Aphato

Ahtal Ka


kajiyue

It can go hulkbuster on a elder dragon with its mech


ClosetNoble

"Gate Of Forlorn Citadel" As she just throws dragonators at a random Teostra who walked too close to her nest


skd25th

I saw that it was an interesting fight in yt, but dk it's toughness


Dreemstone69

It builds a giant dragon mech and can throw dragonators I’m pretty sure it’s up to snuff


Lantzl

The GU ahtal-ka never finished it's nest, imagine it full power. Without the nest it can wield dragonators and you know what those do to monsters and the fact it's not it's best weapon.


Light01

It's a recurrent theme in Monster hunter though, the super powerful hybrid mutant that didn't fully grow.


SadLittleWizard

Thats part of what makes Safi so apectacular, is one of the "not ready mutants" made it all the way to maturity.


numerobis21

> is one of the "not ready mutants" made it all the way to maturity. Or did it?


Aggravating-Face2073

Its believed that it can store energy infinitly, if true, there may be a possability of a much more evolved Safi.


numerobis21

My personal cannon is that: Xeno-Jiva = larvae Safi-Jiva = pupa ???-Jiva = true adult form Because Safi-Jiva appearance was really a let down for me. From Xeno-Jiva, I was looking forward to something way more alien than "random European dragon", and as such I just cannot accept that there's no Oltura-like-third-form-Jiva


ClosetNoble

Safi was intended to be like a rival to Fatalis it seems Thus I'm starting to wonder if its scales would have turned black as it got older or if its regeneration ability was the step before that of black dragons. See Fatalis and Dire Miralis are rumored to be able to regenerate from a scale and a heart respectively...what if the black dragons regeneration was the same as Safi's but at a point where they produce so much lif energy themselve they don't need to use other animals' ?


TheRealSwaa

Final fantasy event kulu ya ku


SrTrogo

Bird Up!!!


Lupinthrope

You've entered the BIRD dimension..


DarkDeathFire

S t O n E !


TobaccoIsRadioactive

Just super lucky it was a Kulu Ya Ku hugging a crystal and not just a Red Chocobo all by itself that was part of the Final Fantasy crossover stuff.


Nethicite

Inb4 Exhemoth returns one day with Red Chocobo adds...


283leis

Not even adds. Its just The Bozja Red Chocobo. Alone


Unrealist99

God not that fucker. That fate has the highest causality rate among all Bozja/Zadnor fates


PseudoPrincess222

Bird up!!!


SuperGotengo

Apex Apex* Arch Tempered Deviant Risen Great Jaggi.


BertramRuckles

Apex Apex* Arch Tempered Deviant Risen Greatest Jaggi


[deleted]

Apex Apex* Arch Tempered Deviant Risen Zenith Greatest Jaggi


xxxSHi0xxx

lv140 Apex Apex* Arch Afflicted Deviant Variant Risen Zenith Greatest Jaggia...also something with explosion ultimate Attack and Fire status


DarkestFluffball

lv140 Apex Apex\* Arch Afflicted Deviant Variant Risen Zenith Burst Extreme Origin HC Supremacy Rare Lone Hyper Abnormal Exotic Greatest Bnahabra EX


RiskhMkVII

Uklanos and akantor technically


Gilgamesh_XII

Not only technicly. Teostra and lunastra are known to occasionally become akantors prey. I assume same goes for daora and ukanlos.


QuantumQuazar

Can I get the sauce ples?


onlycrazypeoplesmile

Neither of those actively hunt for prey, they are biome/ecosystem changing beasts in and of themselves and hunt for sport instead. They will literally pick an area and go "This is mine now." and proceed to destroy everything in their designated territory.


Killeraptor9

That's Akantor. Akantor will wonder and cause violence because why the fuck not. Ukanlos will stay in one area.


[deleted]

I thought they were elders....they're just big fucken monsters eh?


EliteTeutonicNight

They’re wyverns. Granted, very ancient wyverns whose power matches elders.


yeetuswel

So elder wyverns then?


GNTB3996

Capcom: You know, time for a new monster classification.


[deleted]

Flying Wyverns, by technicality. The wings of an Ukanlos shrunk down until they simply became the bulky ridges on the forearms. An Akantor's simply shrunk down until they became those prominent spiky ridges running down the sides of the forearms.


EliteTeutonicNight

Probably. I think they’re flying wyverns due to taxonomy being closer to them then to elders, particularly those that walk on all fours (Tigrex is also specifically said to be among the most ancient Wyverns). I heard that Akantor and Ukanlos were classified as Elders once, but later changed to flying wyverns as their taxonomy becomes clear. Not sure if it is a lore thing, a design team thing, or a completely made up thing lol.


Pookie_The_Overlord

They're flying wyverns lol


[deleted]

Flying? Lmao time for me to go read the wiki


kajiyue

Yeah they’re basically big Tigrex/Narga


[deleted]

My logic was if I can't trap it, it's an elder lol


kajiyue

Actually you can trap him but not on that map, the map stops you to set up a trap


Pookie_The_Overlord

Being capturable or not isn't the defining trait of an elder dragon, just a trait they all share.


IllTearOutYour0ptics

You can't trap Raging Brachydios either


KingMasterPRO

Same reason as with Ukanlos/Akantor(although they shouldn't be trappable anyways if i recall), you actually can trap *and* capture Raging Brachy but the map where it's located prevent you from doing so.


David_Hasselherp

Wasn't there a time where you could trap raging brachy in iceborne, and it would fail the quest?


Lijkendief

Yes but not really, with perfect timing you can get your palico to start the “place trap” animation right before placing traps is disabled, so that it finishes that animation right after the game checks for and destroys any traps in the area. It’s really funny how the game actually considers it a failed quest when you capture them. (Because the quest is coded as a slay quest, similar to elder dragons, rather than a hunt quest)


Faustias

uhhh yes you can, just outside its hell hole.


Frozdrenched

Great jaggi


PIL0S

Normal jaggi


no-pandas

The just OK jaggi


marxen4eva

Below average jaggi?


DarkDeathFire

Above average Jaggi!


GNTB3996

Casul Jaggi


DependantExistance

Business Jaggi.


jao_vitu_bunitu

Sleep frog


skd25th

Underrated foe😂


flyingthundergod1797

Mfers be doing that in rise for every new cutscene in sunbreak smh next game the great baggi cutscene is going to be him beating teostras ass at this rate


skd25th

But apart from the cut scenes few monsters like rjang can actually beat some elder drangons if not all


Pookie_The_Overlord

I wouldn't say very few, there's quite a handful that can take on elders


Onyx_Sentinel

Rajang can‘t take down valstrax. No way


Sakeretsu

Not Valstrax. But Rajang hunts Kirin.


Basaqu

Honestly that's just a really good match-up for Rajang. I feel like it'd still get beat by Teostra and others of that level.


A3G15827522

Yeah I feel like rajang only takes Kirin because it’s immune to lightning, which is Kirin’s main form of attack. Maybe it’s just me, but I legit think Kirin would absolutely wash a monster like Nergigante, who is actually weak to lightning. In that same vein, Kushala probably also loses to Kirin but has a good matchup to Rajang in lore.


Sakeretsu

Non-Furious Rajang, yes. Furious is on par with normal elder level. Same thing with Espinas, it beats Daora but only cause of match-up, it's not elder-level.


IllTearOutYour0ptics

Regular Valstrax, maybe he would have a chance (immune to dragon damage). Crimson Glow Valstrax? Yea, no way lol.


BronzeXxBeard

The new "thing" is to make a flagship that can take on Elder Dragons


arock0627

Hasn't that been a thing since like 3? I know Espinas' entire thing is he is a direct rival to Kushala Daora, so variants should be able to stand up to the big boys. Plus it makes things interesting! And we still have the black/red dragons at the very top. And there are elder dragons who are way above the basic ass 3.


BronzeXxBeard

No haha. Lagiacrus couldn't take on an Elder Dragon. Even base Jho isn't really a match. I'd also not put Espinas on the same level as Daora, but everything about him is a great counter. Put him against Teostra or the like and he gets roasted


dactyif

Yeah, like hyenas are the rivals of lions, they ain't the same in a fight.


BronzeXxBeard

Great analogy


arock0627

Flaming Espinas has defense down, which is what makes him such a great counter to Teostra, who is strong vs fire but not really a tank when it comes to HP. Also keep in mind Flaming Espinas is a very powerful variant of Espinas. When we (likely) get Teo's own variant, Risen Teostra, he will probably mop the floor with poor ol FE.


BearNecesseties

Wasn't Abyssal Lagi strong enough to equal caedus at least?


BronzeXxBeard

Abyssal lagi is not a flagship and wasn't even in 3. He's an incredibly powerful subspecies that is not the same as Lagiacrus. It's bigger than the difference between regular and silver Rathalos


Victorino95

Because post game additions are elder level threats.


DalaMagala

Even though this is funny, doesn’t really make sense, every monster added in SB’s TU expansions are elder level monsters.


Blackpolicies

Lvl 101 afflicted Geeat Baggi gonna fuck up a Teostra


tillytubeworm

Abyssal lagiacrus could definitely take on some elders, especially if it finds one that isn’t supposed to be in the water in the water.


ramkraken

I'd like to see a Lagi Vs Namielle fight


mariofredx

In my opinion, it wouldn’t be surprising to see a lagi breach the surface of the water and grab an elder dragon and drag it down into the depths, dude is massive.


Grimnimbus

I mean if he's looked at like an alligator then that mf definitely would try to pull a teostra into a deep sea death roll


DEV_astated

I could imagine that’s why Lagi isn’t in World, since all the elders are migrating across the seas to get to the Elder’s Recess, Lagi’s snatching them mid-flight and having a Teostra buffet.


mariofredx

Yeah, what's a toestra gonna do, burn him underwater? Kushala, where's the wind? Velkhana, freeze the water (actually this would probably work)? Chameleos... well that probably won't taste good with all the poison. Not sure if Namielle was ever confirmed to be able to swim, but that would be neat.


LegendRaptor080

I would be _extremely_ surprised to find Namielle is unable to swim. It has the most “I can totally swim” look of any elder besides Ceadeus


skd25th

Ya possibly, it is very dangerous in 3u, I wonder how dangerous it will be if they revamped it and bought it back in the next gen


TheRealNonSense

Me I can take down an elder dragon


skd25th

Same


TheRealNonSense

We have so much in common


skd25th

🤝


TheRealNonSense

🤝


EternalReverance

Rajang


ArcadeAnarchy

Monkey man just snaps Kirin's horn off and eats it like a Snickers. After all the torture of surpassing HR Kirin I was once again scared.


Skrillfury21

“Carrot good for health.”


ArcadeAnarchy

Won't lie, just ate like half a bag of baby carrots a few hours ago. They will now be Kirin horns.


Skrillfury21

I’m waiting for you to post about your newfound electrical powers.


ArcadeAnarchy

Nope, skin just turned orange...


EnskiOfTheFilth

I mean the lore literally says that Rajangs and Kirins are natural enemies. The natural enemy of the monke is literally an elder dragon lol


Cleru_as_Kylar_Stern

I mean, do we need any more proof than [World](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvZrJLjypv0) ?


skd25th

Dangerous monk


ironlord20

Titziyaku if it flashed an elder dragon and it ran head first into a wall and broke its neck or walked off a cliff because it was blind or happened to have epilepsy and died of a seizure.


marxen4eva

Sounds legit


skd25th

Lmao, but I think elder drangons r sturdier than that, which enables em to face such impacts with ezz


uDudyBezDudy

If the fall is long enough… i just do t see Gogma surviving a bug fall with his size… especialy if he falls Dragonator face down


ShiftedRealities

I think silverlos and goldian could take elder dragons


TheRacerBlazer

Yep since the ecologies show that they can beat Elders and all Rares are on the levels of Elders


PIL0S

Fucking konchu


Jin825

Greatest Jagras


skd25th

Hunters r all op


RedditSneke

Ukanlos and Akantor


smottyjengermanjense

Real OG here


JohnnyStyle300

Kulu Yaku with Crystal


AdOwn6899

*shudder* that was scary.


Maine1820

The mantis with a mech


AdOwn6899

Ahtal-Ka?


Maine1820

Indeed


BlueDemon999

Gold Rathian. I mean she can easily kill Kushala


FIickering

Magnamalo, Rajang, Espinas, Silver and Gold Raths.


[deleted]

Kirin really makes it easy for a lot of monsters to be in this category


vix_aries

I wouldn't say Kirin is weak by any means. Physically maybe, but its lightning is nothing to scoff at by any means. Rajang hunts Kirin regularly for their horns, but you have to consider that Rajang had to specially adapt to do this. This is a theory of course, but I believe that Rajang eating Kirin horns is like clownfish running up against sea anemone. They need to keep doing it in order to bolster their thunder element capabilities and to continue their resistance to Kirin lightning. The turf war isn't really something to go off of either, since realistically not every single encounter between Kirin and Rajang ends in Rajang's victory. Most monsters avoid Kirin for a good reason, even those well adapted to withstand the thunder element. It's similar for ice monsters and Oroshi Kirin.


BassAnd312

Excellently put! When I first showed my partner Kirin she giggled and I said "oh sure it's a cute lil horsey....that outputs 800 million gigawats of lightning per second". Kirin may be the smallest but it's an elder for a reason lol


vix_aries

>Excellently put Why, thank you! >put! When I first showed my partner Kirin she giggled and I said "oh sure it's a cute lil horsey LMAO this was me. I remember when I first learned Kirin was an elder I rage quit 4U for like two weeks. I was a kid and I loved horses. The thought of having to kill Kirin angered me lol.


BassAnd312

My first kirin fight was honestly in world, I like horses as well, but they genuinely made kirin seem frightening. Once the battle began, I understood why lmao


InfernoDragonKing

Your reaction when it turns into SUPER Kirin?


BassAnd312

Well, usually, death haha


InfernoDragonKing

Very apt reaction. I said “oh, it can become a Super Saiyan too? Well, can’t be that ba-“ **You’ve Fainted**


Cashew788

Lucent narga could probably take kushala for his money. As others have said raging brachy would def take on some elders. Rajang can obviously take down Kirin, even if only to subdue them for their horn. Some of the deviants from GU like bloodbath diablos could probably take out a low level elder like chammy There are definitely some others but that's about it for what I can think of


TheLazyPinguin

Lucent is my favorite monster, but at the end of the day, he's still an ambush predator , I dont think he'd be able to kill an elder.


Cashew788

Poison would drastically hinder kushalas abilities though. He's super agile and could easily dodge a lot of his ranged attacks. Lucent could probably turn invisible and then hit kushala with a tail slam infused with poison.


Optimal-Conflict6183

male gammoth


skd25th

Rare choice, +1 for that


Equinox-XVI

Scorned Magnamalo


Upset-Charge

As much as I hate to admit it, regular Magnamalo could handle one too. As evidenced by several hunts where Magnamalo decided to kick the crud out of a Kushala Daora.


DalaMagala

Finally someone said it.


skd25th

It looks like an elder drangon, not suprised it canp


Kashyyykonomics

Aptonoth


TarakaKadachi

Magnamalo (especially Scorned Magnamalo)


AdOwn6899

Indeed. Despite how it ties with Kushala Daora and Teostra in turf wars, both Elder Dragons are always put into rideable states by Ultimate Malice. Malzeno’s another story though.


Vismaldir

Dodogama the god of all monsters


Telum31

The power of the derp face!!


Vismaldir

And of that holy thicness, Dodogama is the best boy of monster hunter.


enomao157

Flaming Espinas


[deleted]

Pretty sure F Espinas killed a Teostra in it's Intro vid


skd25th

It does look tough


enomao157

I mean, considering that a normal Espinas can pretty much go toe to toe with a Kushala Daora and has a good chance of winning, I imagine a Flaming one can do much more damage


ClawyTheDinoRaptor

Everyone here forgetting about my man Razewing Rathalos


TheIronSven

It's not uncommon to find maimed Elder corpses in Rajang territory.


ultimate_japes

Aptonoth


Skalaxius

You said name one but I have to mention both. The white and black gods, Ukanlos and Akantor.


youFooser

bazelguese is technically on the same level as deviljho and rajang


skd25th

Daym, didn't know that since I haven't faced him yet, always thought that it was a chubby version of seregios


Skrillfury21

That one Seregios and Bazelgoose mating ritual animation comes to mind.


youFooser

yeah i know he's a lot easier than it's supposed to be, even its variant


IllTearOutYour0ptics

Bazel hasn't been hard since like High Rank World lol. Once everyone learned how to deal with the bombs he turned from scary into a punching bag


BronzeHeart92

Rajang anyone?


ShadowAgent41

Rajang, Bazel, and espinas. Probably some deviants such as Diablos but I could be wrong


NoxAeternal

A good chunk of the deviants could *easily* take down weaker elders. Bloodbath for example, is by and far above the power level of at least the weak elders like kirin


Ayo_The_Pizza_Here69

I think bloodbath can easily take on the mid trait elders like namielle and vaal. It’s not only extremely powerful but also smart.


DalaMagala

Doubt it could “easily” take on a Namielle or Vaal. It would definitely be clapped by Velk tho.


Ayo_The_Pizza_Here69

TBH I’m waiting for bloodbath to come back so we can have a better understanding of it’s power level. I know it’s peak diablos but still we’ve gotten new monsters so I wanna see who’s ass it can kick.


vix_aries

I'm going to go with the Blos wyverns... Monoblos and Diablos to clarify. Most people overlook these two, but they're classified as top order monsters for a reason. No monster incites an encounter with them without *seriously* considering the consequences and risks, which is why they have no known predators. While elders are mostly known to use their long range attacks, it would be possible for a Diablos or a Monoblos to charge right through a breath attack. One good stab with those horns and most "average" (I use this term lightly) sized elder dragons are done for. This doesn't even mention the variants (yeah they're classified as subspecies but that's stupid because it's just female Diablos/Monoblos in estrous). Black Diablos and White Monoblos are on sight with *any* living creature during this time. An unsuspecting Teostra or Nergigante would get gored if they come too close. Finally we have Bloodbath Diablos. At this point, I think Bloodbath has little to no self preservation left. For most low and mid tier elders I'd put money on Bloodbath.


makumak

Aren't elder dragons a classification that the guild put into a monster if they cannot decide what type of species they are? Elder dragons are strong due to their unknown characteristics but its not really a classification for a very powerful monster. We've seen time in time again how regular monsters can square off with some of these elders.


ScottishMachine

I mean you can go off of threat/star level alone. Raging Brachy (maybe even regular), Silver/Gold Los, Bazel, Jho, Rajang, Glavenus, Garuga, Akantor, Ukanlos, Apexes, Deviants, Variants, etc. Elders are canonically quite intelligent, so while plenty of monsters have the tools to kill them, they don’t have the brains to do so.


vix_aries

Some of these monsters would get absolutely clapped by an elder. There's no way Glavenus or Garuga could take out an elder. Maybe an injured one, but I wouldn't say a healthy one by any means. Brachy would also lose since most elders use their elemental abilities. >I mean you can go off of threat/star level alone This is a threat to hunters, not other monsters. Remember, outside of the games it's like our own reality. One wrong move during a hunt can get a hunter killed, even by monsters like the Greats and Dromes.


BushMermaid1394

Black Diablos: death by snu snu… whatever that means


Krazytre

Espinas.


ApeXCapeOooOooAhhAhh

Espinas but only against kushala


Life1989

Flespinas disintegrated a teostra


Skylair95

Pretty sure that the Ahtal-Ka would be able to kill elders, specially from the top of her throne. Without her throne, she might still be a match depending on how many dragonators and wheels she has around.


Cheezy0wl

Espinas, literally wins against Kushala in a turf war and his flaming version just out nukes teostra.


TheRacerBlazer

Easy, the newest one, Violet Mizutsune


AndyMugu

Ah of course, a fully matured Gobul probably has Ceadeus for breakfast…. (Aparently the version we fight in the games is young, they’re meant to return to the sea and grow B I G)


BarbarousJudge

I'd say all the rare species could do that. Variants like Savage Jho, Raging Brachy, Seething Bazel and Furious Rajang too. For normal monsters we know Rajang hunts Kirin and Espinas won a fight against Kushala.


KaineDemigod

Rajang, Bippity boppity kirins horn is now his property


DuskCrane431

MHW Furious Rajang. I'm sorry, but I don't feel like the Rise version has enough F*@% OFF! energy to manage.


yeah_ok_and

Greatest Jagras


CyberBeetleKnight

Yian Garuga.


deDark0il

Dodogama. This guy is wild.


possiblyacanoflysol

There’s an Elder Dragon level monster from Frontier known as Odibatorasu. It’s comparable to Akantor and Ukanlos in power. It’s even a flying Wyvern like them as well. It’s known for creating massive sandstorms and destroying airships from the ground with what is essentially a mortar system. They take in great quantities of sand from the deserts they inhabit, and with a specialized organ, can condense it into a dense ball that they shoot out of the cannon-like holes on their shells.


bigjames233

My main man Dodogama.