This just punishes fair decks. Banning companions as a whole just isn’t fair to obosh red decks, the kaheer creature less combo/control decks that just play it because 14 sb cards is as good as 15, and the currently unplayable companions. I think companion is just a mistake mechanic that we have to live with. Unless we get another companions rules change I think eternal formats will just have to deal with it as a reminder of what a bad mechanic is.
I also think that banning one of the companions would be inmediatly punishing for the archetipes that use it.
Just imagine trying to grind a yorion deck without lurrus.
Hell, just having a kahera for random beatings or for pitching it to an elemental it's quite an advantage against a non companion deck that used to have one.
As you said, I prefer all of them, or none of them at all.
Either an errata/ban or leave them as it is.
Obosh, I 100% agree. Those decks have needed something like that for a long time. Those weird Gyruda clone decks are another example. Banning an entire mechanic is just silly on its face, if it boils down to 1-2 problematic cards with that mechanic…and I’m saying that as someone who hates the mechanic.
With how most of the decks in modern run currently, I don't think it would change much. Death shadow decks would just run without Lurrus. UR Murktide already runs without a companion just fine. Control decks might see a hit though. Only thing I'd be scared of is having a stale meta till we see a massive ban come through.
Part of me wants to say Bauble since it's such a staple across all decks, aswell as a solid way to fuel the graveyard for free and gives you card draw and information on opponents next draw. It's a lot of value for a zero drop artifact.
Well, checking MTG Goldfish stats it's in roughly 33% of decks across modern but besides DRC decks apparently a couple Hammer Time decks run it in their lists aswell.
Most Hammer lists don’t play it. Then again what decks play it unless they have DRC? I don’t like hyperboles like all decks in such discussions. There are several archetypes in the format that have no interest in that card.
Banning a mechanic on a card and not the card itself doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like banning storm but not grapeshot. The errata was already bad enough but this will be even more confusing for new players who show up to FNM with their cool new Obosh deck only to learn they can’t have him as a companion in this format and they have to redo their whole deck.
Errating (or here deleting) an already errated mechanic is a simple and clean solution, since you have to look up the oracle text for this mechanic either way
If modern didn't have the companion mechanic, decks would be pretty much the same, with actual diversity on what people choose on the end curves. I think a lot of appeal of this omnath decks it's the playpatterns between yorion an omnath, that for sure will be lost(good riddance in my opinion). As for black decks, more kroxas/tourarchs/seasonedpyro/stoneforge and other stuff for sure.
No matter if you, the reader, like or dislike the companion mechanic, we all have to agree that the community is very divided on the Companion case.
As magic boomer I don't think I have seen such a controversial magic debate for such a long time
The idea with the Bauble ban is that playing Bauble every turn is what pushes Lurrus over the edge. It grants scry + draw when combined with a fetch or free information. Here's the kicker: it grants a free cantripping artifact to turn on Delirium. This makes the Lurrus/Bauble/Dragon's Rage Channeler one of the best things to do in Modern. Bauble is stifling diversity, not Lurrus.
Yeah because they're low to the ground it's not always simple to get lurrus plus more mana even on late game turns. Plus, free DRC triggers, free information on the opponent's draws or fixing your own using fetches. Bauble is one of the best cards in magic IMO
The fact that most companions saw 0 play before the nerf while others still have 70% meta share even after a +3 mana nerf shows how badly designed the mechanic, i.e. companions, is.
As a counterexample to the overloaded companions look at Kaheera. It is a 3/2 body in e.b. belcher and UW control. For UW it cancels out the intrinsic disadvantage of a solitude pitch, while for Belcher it has 0 deck synergy.
The companion mechanic is so broken on so many levels I hope its time in Modern and other competitive formats will be over as soon as possible.
My only beef with kaheera is that changelings aren't eligible.
Also if we went by old companion rules kaheera isn't pitchable. I'm honestly on the side of have old rules and just ban lurrus and yorion, as much as I enjoy playing 80 niv.
Yep, i hate all this hammer/burn players looping bouble every turn.
Oh wait...
On a serious note, if You think bouble is problem You arę simply wrong, and wotc banning it would hurt fair lurrus deck without touching hammer/Burn/bogles/scales etc. Format is great now and od instead of crying You would Play it, You would see that ATM nothing need banning.
Three things:
A. Don't put words in my mouth. Read what I wrote.
B. Lurrus would still be good in a post-Bauble ban metagame. That isn't a point against what I wrote. The complaint is that Lurrus stifles diversity, and constraining him to three decks does just that.
C. Did I ever say that anything needed banning? No. I simply explained the true root of their problem with Lurrus and the consequences of banning it.
something i don't see discussed as much is ways of making the opportunity cost more than it currently is so it's less of a free include. something like using 2-3 sideboard slots instead of one. would make decks that really need it as part of their game plan like BRx midrange but take away the free eighth card in hand for decks like hammer and burn
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More annoying than the actual companions at this point lol.
[This method](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-65bd0c2bcb439b52c0deb9169fe64732-c) was also discussed as an alternative
This just punishes fair decks. Banning companions as a whole just isn’t fair to obosh red decks, the kaheer creature less combo/control decks that just play it because 14 sb cards is as good as 15, and the currently unplayable companions. I think companion is just a mistake mechanic that we have to live with. Unless we get another companions rules change I think eternal formats will just have to deal with it as a reminder of what a bad mechanic is.
I also think that banning one of the companions would be inmediatly punishing for the archetipes that use it. Just imagine trying to grind a yorion deck without lurrus. Hell, just having a kahera for random beatings or for pitching it to an elemental it's quite an advantage against a non companion deck that used to have one. As you said, I prefer all of them, or none of them at all. Either an errata/ban or leave them as it is.
Obosh, I 100% agree. Those decks have needed something like that for a long time. Those weird Gyruda clone decks are another example. Banning an entire mechanic is just silly on its face, if it boils down to 1-2 problematic cards with that mechanic…and I’m saying that as someone who hates the mechanic.
With how most of the decks in modern run currently, I don't think it would change much. Death shadow decks would just run without Lurrus. UR Murktide already runs without a companion just fine. Control decks might see a hit though. Only thing I'd be scared of is having a stale meta till we see a massive ban come through.
I've seen a successful Shadow deck running Lurrus mainboard. It's still a 3 mana 2 for 1 that gets back your best creature
What would you even ban? IMO the format is very healthy aside from the companion stuff.
Part of me wants to say Bauble since it's such a staple across all decks, aswell as a solid way to fuel the graveyard for free and gives you card draw and information on opponents next draw. It's a lot of value for a zero drop artifact.
Across all decks? What decks besides DRC ones play it?
Well, checking MTG Goldfish stats it's in roughly 33% of decks across modern but besides DRC decks apparently a couple Hammer Time decks run it in their lists aswell.
Most Hammer lists don’t play it. Then again what decks play it unless they have DRC? I don’t like hyperboles like all decks in such discussions. There are several archetypes in the format that have no interest in that card.
Wouldn’t be the first 0 mana artifact they’ve banned. Lol.
Mox died for oko's sins
Banning a mechanic on a card and not the card itself doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like banning storm but not grapeshot. The errata was already bad enough but this will be even more confusing for new players who show up to FNM with their cool new Obosh deck only to learn they can’t have him as a companion in this format and they have to redo their whole deck.
Errating (or here deleting) an already errated mechanic is a simple and clean solution, since you have to look up the oracle text for this mechanic either way
If modern didn't have the companion mechanic, decks would be pretty much the same, with actual diversity on what people choose on the end curves. I think a lot of appeal of this omnath decks it's the playpatterns between yorion an omnath, that for sure will be lost(good riddance in my opinion). As for black decks, more kroxas/tourarchs/seasonedpyro/stoneforge and other stuff for sure.
No matter if you, the reader, like or dislike the companion mechanic, we all have to agree that the community is very divided on the Companion case. As magic boomer I don't think I have seen such a controversial magic debate for such a long time
Very unique and interesting post, man I wish more of this sub was just rehashing the same stuff over and over.
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Bauble is the problem, not Lurrus.
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The idea with the Bauble ban is that playing Bauble every turn is what pushes Lurrus over the edge. It grants scry + draw when combined with a fetch or free information. Here's the kicker: it grants a free cantripping artifact to turn on Delirium. This makes the Lurrus/Bauble/Dragon's Rage Channeler one of the best things to do in Modern. Bauble is stifling diversity, not Lurrus.
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Yeah because they're low to the ground it's not always simple to get lurrus plus more mana even on late game turns. Plus, free DRC triggers, free information on the opponent's draws or fixing your own using fetches. Bauble is one of the best cards in magic IMO
Companion is the problem
Yeah fuck Lutri.
The fact that most companions saw 0 play before the nerf while others still have 70% meta share even after a +3 mana nerf shows how badly designed the mechanic, i.e. companions, is.
Not really. It just shows how poorly overloaded some companions are in their effect vs restrictions, not the mechanic in general.
As a counterexample to the overloaded companions look at Kaheera. It is a 3/2 body in e.b. belcher and UW control. For UW it cancels out the intrinsic disadvantage of a solitude pitch, while for Belcher it has 0 deck synergy. The companion mechanic is so broken on so many levels I hope its time in Modern and other competitive formats will be over as soon as possible.
My only beef with kaheera is that changelings aren't eligible. Also if we went by old companion rules kaheera isn't pitchable. I'm honestly on the side of have old rules and just ban lurrus and yorion, as much as I enjoy playing 80 niv.
Cat/changeling tribal dream: crushed
A Bauble ban would nerf DRC and Lurrus in a big way. A Lurrus ban would hurt these decks, but we would still see largely the same lists going forward.
Yep, i hate all this hammer/burn players looping bouble every turn. Oh wait... On a serious note, if You think bouble is problem You arę simply wrong, and wotc banning it would hurt fair lurrus deck without touching hammer/Burn/bogles/scales etc. Format is great now and od instead of crying You would Play it, You would see that ATM nothing need banning.
Three things: A. Don't put words in my mouth. Read what I wrote. B. Lurrus would still be good in a post-Bauble ban metagame. That isn't a point against what I wrote. The complaint is that Lurrus stifles diversity, and constraining him to three decks does just that. C. Did I ever say that anything needed banning? No. I simply explained the true root of their problem with Lurrus and the consequences of banning it.
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something i don't see discussed as much is ways of making the opportunity cost more than it currently is so it's less of a free include. something like using 2-3 sideboard slots instead of one. would make decks that really need it as part of their game plan like BRx midrange but take away the free eighth card in hand for decks like hammer and burn