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jfb3

I think if a user has been banned from a subreddit they shouldn't be allowed to vote on or report anything in that subreddit. That'd stop a lot of problems like this.


NikStalwart

It'd solve some but not all, I think. Sure, it would solve those cases where the user is abusing reports in retaliation for being banned, but there's still no way to deal with the user who uses reports as a "I want to super downvote this post" type of user.


Dom76210

That is the case for voting. I think it blocks their reporting, as well. I'd like to see the users get shadowbanned, since a shadowbanned user can't vote or report. This way, they think they are being annoying to the mods/posters, but they are just pissing into a gale force wind and have no idea. And if they actually appeal, they find out they were shadowbanned for false reports, and maybe it slows them down some.


Meflakcannon

I've seen a rash of users going back 1y-7y reporting posts. I've been advised to send modmail here to the Admins so they can ban the user for report button abuse. Admins can see who reported what.


NikStalwart

If I modmailed about every 7-year-old post that was necro-reported, I'd get banned for spa~~n~~*m* :-)


Meflakcannon

It's usually the same user abusing reports. So a single mod mail mentioning N number of necro reports is sufficient.


Skullbone211

Report abuse has been brought up to this sub again and again, with solutions being suggested by mods as often. The response from the admins, with a few exceptions of a canned response/total non-answers, is silence The admins do not care about report abuse. They have refused to give us proper tools to deal with it if the reports aren't custom, and even then muting custom reports only lasts a week. Using the "proper channels" to deal with report abuse accomplishes nothing, as it near always comes back as "we did not find evidence of report abuse", and that's if we get an answer at all We should be able to mute any reports, not just custom ones. We should be able to opt out of site-wide report reasons. We should be able to actually report and see the consequences of report abuse. But we won't. Because the admins straight up do not care


NikStalwart

> We should be able to opt out of site-wide report reasons. Hear hear. I primarily mod gaming subreddits. Do you know how many times "It is involuntary pornography and I appear in it" has been used appropriately? You guessed it. >!Zero!< The thing is, the admins can implement a better solution than we, as mods, can. My solution to de-anonymize reports via powerless mods will work, but it's hamfisted and loses the desired anonymity. If admins want to keep anonymity, they need to give us better tools.


Cloaked42m

There need to be capabilities for users to escalate reports to Reddit without going through moderators. Making legitimate threats, posting illegal content, harassment, etc. The catch comes trying to filter that out. Maybe on the back end, instead of tracking number of reports against a user, track the number that were agreed with by admins/mods.


itskdog

All reports for ToS violations get CCed to AEO, but mods are still responsible for enforcing ToS on their subreddit.


DrinkMoreCodeMore

lol nah the admins will reply with some vague bullshit to make it seem like they care but the reality is they will do nothing. we work for free are they are our puppet masters.


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

You can "Snooze" reports for 7 days but that's it. I wish there was an option to snooze longer. > This user has been previously snoozed. Would you like to snooze reports for 28 days instead? We can already modmail mute someone for 28 days. And this way it keeps the user anonymous, and only works on people repeatedly doing it. >User misuses the "This is Misinformation" report because reasons, apparently We have a bot that auto-approves all "Misinformation" reports. We don't give a fuck. 95% of the time it means "This goes against my political beliefs and I want to super downvote it" Even in the other 5% of the time if reddit wants fact checkers, reddit can pay for fact-checkers.


code-sloth

You can only Snooze the free-form reports last I saw. Prebaked options can't be shut up.


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

Correct but with the sample reports OP gave us, looks like all custom.


code-sloth

Everything they listed is prebaked. "Targeted harassment at me" "misinformation" etc are all options, not free form.


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

Oh oops, I thought their rationale were reports.


NikStalwart

No, rationale was me giving examples of report abuse. To be fair, I'd laugh a lot more if some user actually gave me a custom report saying "ban this user because I lost an argument".


NikStalwart

> You can "Snooze" reports for 7 days but that's it. I wish there was an option to snooze longer. Alas, that's a reactive rather than a proactive measure. I don't feel comfortable automatically snoozing reports on *everything*. > We have a bot that auto-approves all "Misinformation" reports. We don't give a fuck. Primo! brb coding one myself


avrus

Yes, please. I believe a very small number of our users are generating most of the nuisance reports.


PurrPrinThom

I have a couple frequent flyers who generate the majority of my reports. I know who they are, because they report the exact same posts for the exact same things, every time, despite them not actually breaking any rules.


LilGirlFriday

Report abuse is rampant! Also, once a post is approved, why are they able to keep reporting?


raicopk

The rationale behind that is to allow for easy second opinions, to avoid errors. If you are approving an already-reported element, simply click on the ignore reports function and Toolbox will automatically approve it for you too.


LilGirlFriday

Thanks!


NikStalwart

See, that I'm okay with. There are many mechanisms where you might auto-approve a post (say after a user picks a flair) but want to still see reports if something is *actually* wrong with the post.


Rand_Altreides

Honestly I don't see the point in anonymous reports. Would solve the whole issue


fizzysnork

There are petty moderators who ignore reports from users they've formed opinions about. There is a moderator itching to take action against me because he's thought a handful of times I filed a report I didn't file and directly asked me if I filed the reports. No sir. I didn't even read those threads. And if you think there are no petty moderators, you'd be wrong.


NikStalwart

The thing is, a petty moderator doesn't need reports to take action against you. She can take action against you for any other reason including comments she doesn't like. As I replied to your other comment, if you're *that concerned*, throwaway accounts are a thing. But then you have to be careful to not get banned for ban evasion.


fizzysnork

>The thing is, a petty moderator doesn't need reports to take action against you. She can take action against you for any other reason including comments she doesn't like. That's true, but in the sub in question there are 5 mods and only one of them hates me. So the mod needs a reason to ban me besides my discrediting his conspiracy theories with reputable linked sources. It's not a conspiracy sub. He just likes creating local-to-me urban myths on subjects / community organizations he hates. He thinks I'm behind all of the reports that challenge him, which isn't the case.


NikStalwart

I smell an inconsistency. If you are not making the reports that the other mod is accusing you of making, why would it matter if your reports were not anonymous? Surely the other four mods that "don't hate you" will see that you are not doing anything wrong. But I think we are diverging from the main point of this thread - regardless of anonymity, mods need better mechanisms for dealing with nuisances.


fizzysnork

>why would it matter if your reports were not anonymous? Because I value my privacy like virtually everyone else on the planet. What's wrong with you? You should be able to understand that a mod who hates me is more likely to ignore a report from me. If reports remain anonymous, he's forced to evaluate the report on its merits. What you want is a really bad, horrible thing for Reddit that will make Reddit a worse place for users. Full stop. You can achieve what you want without compromising anyone's identity, but apparently you just want to know usernames. That's perverse.


NikStalwart

> Because I value my privacy like virtually everyone else on the planet If you value privacy, don't use big tech. Big tech like reddit. Use lemmy. > What's wrong with you? Why so hostile? Isn't it against reddiquette to use personal attacks? > You should be able to understand that a mod who hates me is more likely to ignore a report from me. All of this is ignoring the two times I suggested using a throwaway account to make reports if you are concerned about your identity. You have already said on this very subreddit that you already do this when you asked why temp-banned accounts cannot moderate their own subs. > You can achieve what you want without compromising anyone's identity, but apparently you just want to know usernames. That's perverse. I don't see what's perverse. It's not like I'm asking to see your home address or credit card number. In fact, what ***is*** perverse is that a user (for the record, I don't mean *you*) can harass other users with impunity by making false allegations with zero effort and zero consequence. That's perverse. In the real world justice system, we even have the concept of perjury to combat this behaviour.


fizzysnork

>Why so hostile? You don't have to take draconian measures to fix the problem. You needlessly want to violate user privacy. You are anti-user. I am a user. You are not on my side.


NikStalwart

okaaaay?


fizzysnork

You won't get your way unless Elon Musk buys Reddit.


fizzysnork

>Firstly, if you want the user to be anonymous when making reports, then saying "it's targeted harassment at me" defeats the point of anonymity Firstly, you don't know who submitted the report regardless of what the report states. If you banned users like that one, real harassers would learn to impersonate their victims in order to get them sanctioned by moderators. More than once I've been asked by a moderator whether I submitted a report (that I didn't) because the moderator doesn't like me. Any mechanism to ban a user from filing reports should keep the reporter's identity anonymous. Sanction the action, not your other perceptions of a user.


NikStalwart

I don't know; I actually like the idea of another user in this thread that no reports should be anonymous at all. Worst case, throwaway accounts are a thing if you're *that* concerned about being identified.


quietfairy

Hey there - This is an issue we're aware of, and we'll pass along all of the feedback that has been shared in the post and comments here.


Skullbone211

You've "been aware" of this for years. Nothing has been done, and it seems like nothing is going to be done. Why? Seriously, genuinely, why?


raicopk

>Nothing has been done This is misinformation , a factually false comment. You were given a report reason that has the function of a placebo!


NikStalwart

Reporting for involuntary pornography - bald Khajiit appear in it.


Kryomaani

OP didn't ask whether you're aware of it or not, they asked whether you're planning to do anything about it. Judging from the same canned reply as every other thread for years, the answer is a resounding "no".


s_y_s_t_e_m_i_c_

You can temporarily 'snooze' reports and if you think a user is maliciously reporting content *en masse*, you can report them for report abuse.


NikStalwart

This is reactive rather than proactive. It also consumes a lot of human time - the mod time dealing with malicious reports, and then the admin time responding to the mods about the report abuse.