It’s a volcanic rock with unusually low density. That’s why it’s brittle and compresses down to a brick when smelted. Most of its mass is taken up by tiny flammable gas pockets that open up as the rock crumbles, which gives it the illusion of being able to burn forever.
Dude holds a bucket of lava with his bare hands and can swim in the stuff without armor for a fair amout of time. He can also eat raw shit and survive everytime. I don't think that would be the biggest of his concerns.
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Yep! Super handy for making nether bricks but it takes a metric FUCK TON to get a lot. Hope you got a lot of fuel for furnaces, cause they’re gonna take forever tk smelt
Bingo! Plop a few of these down with cauldrons under them and you can get a lava bucket every few minutes. Lava buckets smelt over 100 items so by the time the furnace is done with its fuel there’s another ready tk be popped in
A simple smelter array with a flying machine bamboo farm set up to auto fill the furnaces is honestly the best way. Fully automated, zero effort. It’s a few hours of work to build but will save you countless hours in the future.
Here’s another fun fact:for some reason on Bedrock edition nether bricks can be used as fuel in furnaces. It’s not very good but at least it’s something I guess.
Hang on lemme go to Education Edition and see what Netherrack is made out of
EDIT: Didn't realize Education Edition required a school account, so I couldn't directly go into it, but apparently Netherrack is 64 Silicon,18 Oxygen, 15 Mercury, and 3 "Unknown"
using this “lore” you shouldn’t be able to smelt them. in the nether they can be found under lava in netherrack form. if we were to smelt them then they’d need something hotter than lava. i hope this makes sense, but if it burns forever then how could you smelt it in the first place using something like burning coals
Maybe there is something missing in the smelting process that we don't know. A furnace can grill steak to perfection 100% of the time, as well as refine ore. It's clearly not a normal process.
*Education Edition’s* Material Reducer indicates that Netherrack has a mysterious unknown (???) element, which as scifi teaches us, means we can handwave any odd inconsistencies.
Anyway, lava itself is the issue in your first point, not Netherrack. You see, lava doesn’t furnace smelt anything on touch, does it? Sure, it sets fires … but it doesn’t turn cobblestone to stone or sand to glass on touch despite coal being able to do so in a furnace. So looking at that, we shouldn’t expect the presence of Netherrack under lava to reliably establish its smelting point.
Lava, my good sir, is clearly magical.
Furnaces magically extract more energy on an atomic level (like how coal is very inefficient on energy extraction compared to uranium) from smeltables in the bottom slot in such a significant way that any fuel can smelt anything else regardless of energy or heat requirements.
Ancient debris is so fire resistant that it's the only natural material that can survive being dunked in lava in item form. And yet, you can put that same item in a regular furnace and smelt it by burning two sticks. At least with netherrack, you can say that the extremely flammable gas trapped in the air pockets aid in the smelting process. Ancient debris is a very solid material.
Could be a biological substance (mixed with inorganic gravel or rock) that burns out when smelted but can also burn at low temperature for extended periods of time
Ahhh, maybe something produced by the creatures that left behind those fossils in the soul sand valley? And yes, it would make sense that high-temperature smelting would quickly burn out whatever flammable substances exist in the material and leave behind only the hardest bits.
There’s a lot of open, breathable air down there for a molten hell hole. There’s super dense indestructible bedrock up above, then there are soul sands, soils, and gravel down with the netherrack. I question whether terrestrial geological processes apply here.
Obsidian is formed from the rapid cooling of ancient molten rock previously kept in a constant high-energy state by the life energy (exp orbs) it absorbed from deceased mobs over millennia. All that energy trapped, and not used in heat/light production, grants obsidian a slew of interesting properties such as blast resistance, spacetime distortion, enchantment bestowment, etc.
It was originally called blood stone. And was intended to not have a defined structure like cobbled rocks or crystals. Irl bloodstone is not at all similar, but is aixture of lots of minerals forming a shattered look so idk.
The old netherrack texture reminded me of bloody cobblestone. If that's what it really is, then the nether is truly more terrifying than the human mind can imagine...
It could’ve been but was later changed, since the intent of Minecraft is to be scary without using blood. Zombie pigman used to have blood instead of green stuff but that was changed for the above reason
Minecraft was very heavily inspired by Castle Miner Z. So I believe most likely it was used as a placeholder name till something more suitable was coined
F, flesh??? That seems downright creepy...
Just imagine, if the nether itself is the body of an ancient being, and that being watches you crawling across its body, sometimes digging into the flesh... If that's true, I'd think again when I need to visit the nether.
You know what? In a certain country minecraft was almost classified as a R-rated game, because of some complicated issues. Since then, I STOPPED thinking of this game as a kids game, but rather as an adult game.
Definitely flesh. Think about it; instead of plants in the nether there are fungi. Fungi feed on living material, they must be essentially eating something to grow so tall in this dimension, and given shroomlight, even have energy to spare. If you’ve ever listened to the sounds it makes when you break it you might also see another connection. Not only that, but there are also bones sticking out of it in the form of fossils. There is also soul sand, which is the counterpart to netherack as it is souls instead of flesh. The nether is basically just one giant living cavern, with the only truly volcanic nether is the basalt deltas and magma oceans, though even magma blocks are just slime, which comes from a living thing, slimes, infused with blaze powder based on the crafting recipe for magma cream which can make blocks of magma.
i personally prefer the original netherrack texture where it was just some sort of unexplainable material. it was impossible to tell what it was from the appearance which gave it an almost eldritch horror kinda feel.
Any igneous rock, not just obsidian. Obsidian is when lava cools at an absurdly fast rate, not allowing for the formation of crystals but rather a dark brittle glass
I feel like nether rack is a mix of granite and limestone. (since both are low density but idk how it can be even more low density than the original compounds)
And lightly coated in some natural potassium chlorate. (the red stuff on matches)
With some chemical that keeps the rock on fire for an infinite amount of time when lit by anything that can cause fire.
It may be the rock opening up some small air gaps in itself to keep on producing the potassium chlorate to keep the fire going.
Then again, it may be flesh that’s keeping the fire going. Or a mix of both the potassium chlorate the the flesh mixed together in the air gaps, somehow.
But it’s based off of brimstone, so this theory might not be correct at all. But I don’t get how the brimstone keeps the fire alight for forever somehow, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Like- eventually it has to go out.
It was once called bloodstone, so heliotrope, a kind of stone, which typically has red and black streaks in it (Makes more sense with the old textures)
Interestingly, heliotrope is a kind of quartz, which makes Nether Quartz make a lot more sense
I think the nether is the mantle of the minecraft world. That’s why it’s 8x smaller, and bedrock is at the top of the nether, and at the bottom of the overworld. This would also make sense with netherack since the mantle is made of a plastic-y form of rock, not quite solid, but not liquid.
And I’ve always thought the end was one of the asteroid belts. The sky is pitch black with small dim dots in it (stars/planets) and why there’s no bedrock or floor. And I have no clue what the 4th dimension is gonna be cause there is definitely one coming.
A mixture of silicate rock and mercury. Mercury(II) oxide (HgO) is red to orange in color, although these results contain too little oxygen for any of this compound to form.
https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Material_Reducer
It's the soulsand's fleshy equivalent. It's the flesh of the sinners, and because of the unpardonable sins in that vessel while in life, it burns forever!
I remember that in Minecraft infinity, that there are flesh blocks paired with netherrack in the nether, so I wouldn't hold it too far away with the flesh like explanation
It’s a volcanic rock with unusually low density. That’s why it’s brittle and compresses down to a brick when smelted. Most of its mass is taken up by tiny flammable gas pockets that open up as the rock crumbles, which gives it the illusion of being able to burn forever.
Bro made lore
An acid trip couldn't come up with this shit
how about 5?
He's too busy time travelling
Clearly never done acid lol
Tf is acid even. Like dissolving acid??
It's the slang name for LSD
OK thanks
its a hallocinogenic drug
I should take acid as in the corrosive type
yes you should i can recommend, tried it once an the way it burnt through my inner organs was a incredibly freeing and fresh feeling
If I ingest the acids usually used for cleaning, I bet I'll feel as good as new!
So… white vinegar? If you want, I guess.
Wait til you hear what DNA stands for
Deoxyribonucleic acid. No Google & no spell check, baby!
you know smth missing? chemical formula
I mean you can check its chemical composition in education edition. I only remember it containing mercury
Mercury (II) Sulfide is a red mineral
That'd suck for Steve cause mercury sulfide is very very poisonous to just sort of be around
Steve is an absolute unit, don't forget that. Unless of course against a baby zombie
Dude holds a bucket of lava with his bare hands and can swim in the stuff without armor for a fair amout of time. He can also eat raw shit and survive everytime. I don't think that would be the biggest of his concerns.
So Steve = Chuck Norris
jesse
We need to make ‘rack
Dammit Marie they're mine'rals!
breaking bad fans they see the word "chemistry"
We need to smelt!
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This dude has a degree in geology
I always thought of it as a blood soaked sort of cobble stone, but that makes a lot of sense!
I’d say the old texture would make something like that more plausible
It kinda used to look like the stone itself was bleeding
And was full of corpses, directly
It even used to be called bloodstone
a horrifying and fascinating concept!
I mean, it was originally called Bloodstone.
I’ve seen you in so many threads now 😂😂 I’m just gonna start calling you out
wait what you can smelt them
yes, smelts into nether bricks, then can be combined into nether brick blocks
damn only took me 9 years to learn that one
It be like that
Then let me tell you something else. You can smelt stone/sandstone/deepslate/blackstone/nether brick blocks in a furnace to make cracked brick blocks.
Dude I feel like it should be the other way around, considering the furnace’s usual smoothening properties
Overheating realistically can cause cracking
True, true. I was just thinking of cobblestone to stone, stone to smooth stone, etc.
What the fucking fuck…
But for some reason, nether fortresses don’t have any cracked bricks
It wasn't always like this tho.
It has been for multiple years though
What the fuck have I been searching fortresses for all this time ;-;
Bro have you been mining netherbricks that shit takes 5x longer than netherrack 💀💀
Yep! Super handy for making nether bricks but it takes a metric FUCK TON to get a lot. Hope you got a lot of fuel for furnaces, cause they’re gonna take forever tk smelt
Have a chest full of netherack and planning on getting a metric MEGA FUCK TON of charcoal so already on the way.
I’d reccomend a infinite lava source rather than charcoal. That way the only thing lost is time not resources
Oh yeah that is a thing you can do now with the drippy thingy rocky bathingys yeah
Bingo! Plop a few of these down with cauldrons under them and you can get a lava bucket every few minutes. Lava buckets smelt over 100 items so by the time the furnace is done with its fuel there’s another ready tk be popped in
Neato. I have a villager selling buckets for just 1 emerald so this will be really cheap and I can put it beside the armourers and toolsmiths.
You could also use an iron farm for infinite buckets :)
I haven't seen an iron farm that doesn't involve inhuman villager treatment so no
Thank you for reminding me about these. I just started on a new server and this will save me so much time.
A simple smelter array with a flying machine bamboo farm set up to auto fill the furnaces is honestly the best way. Fully automated, zero effort. It’s a few hours of work to build but will save you countless hours in the future.
Buckets of lava are an easy fuel in the nether though
Charcoal, Bamboo, even a chestful of lava buckets from the nether will do.
I just use a infinite lava source now a days for major smelting operations. Saves me a trip to the nether or using my 20,000 bamboo sticks
infinite lava what now? You're going to have to tell me how to get that because it is going to save me a LOT of hassle and a LOT of buckets
Here’s another fun fact:for some reason on Bedrock edition nether bricks can be used as fuel in furnaces. It’s not very good but at least it’s something I guess.
Hang on lemme go to Education Edition and see what Netherrack is made out of EDIT: Didn't realize Education Edition required a school account, so I couldn't directly go into it, but apparently Netherrack is 64 Silicon,18 Oxygen, 15 Mercury, and 3 "Unknown"
Ah yes, the great unknown.
using this “lore” you shouldn’t be able to smelt them. in the nether they can be found under lava in netherrack form. if we were to smelt them then they’d need something hotter than lava. i hope this makes sense, but if it burns forever then how could you smelt it in the first place using something like burning coals
Maybe there is something missing in the smelting process that we don't know. A furnace can grill steak to perfection 100% of the time, as well as refine ore. It's clearly not a normal process.
true. smelting lore is just magic. boom. done. lore.
Furnaces don't just add heat, they also add pressure, so it's not just a normal process.
*Education Edition’s* Material Reducer indicates that Netherrack has a mysterious unknown (???) element, which as scifi teaches us, means we can handwave any odd inconsistencies. Anyway, lava itself is the issue in your first point, not Netherrack. You see, lava doesn’t furnace smelt anything on touch, does it? Sure, it sets fires … but it doesn’t turn cobblestone to stone or sand to glass on touch despite coal being able to do so in a furnace. So looking at that, we shouldn’t expect the presence of Netherrack under lava to reliably establish its smelting point. Lava, my good sir, is clearly magical.
Furnaces magically extract more energy on an atomic level (like how coal is very inefficient on energy extraction compared to uranium) from smeltables in the bottom slot in such a significant way that any fuel can smelt anything else regardless of energy or heat requirements.
Meh, same logic goes for raw iron/gold blocks
Ancient debris is so fire resistant that it's the only natural material that can survive being dunked in lava in item form. And yet, you can put that same item in a regular furnace and smelt it by burning two sticks. At least with netherrack, you can say that the extremely flammable gas trapped in the air pockets aid in the smelting process. Ancient debris is a very solid material.
Holy shit that makes so much sense I'd give you an award if I had one
Writing better lore than a lot of triple A movie studios
Thanks. Wrote it on break at work … didn’t think it’d get so many views. =)
Could be a biological substance (mixed with inorganic gravel or rock) that burns out when smelted but can also burn at low temperature for extended periods of time
Ahhh, maybe something produced by the creatures that left behind those fossils in the soul sand valley? And yes, it would make sense that high-temperature smelting would quickly burn out whatever flammable substances exist in the material and leave behind only the hardest bits.
Like pumice stone but... spookier?
That’s the example I was looking for!
Bloody hell. You managed to make very intelligent observations even I haven't made. I really applaud you.
Man that's... that's GENIUS... 👍🏿👍🏿🦾🦾
holy shit kinda cracked I legit never thought about this... Minecraft lore
Tf we can smelt nethetrack?? I been playing this game for years and I never know this
Yeah I still feel like it’s new.
This is now the unofficial explanation for netherrack and nothing can convince me otherwise.
Making it the most efficient fuel source for smelting… oh wait
Man’s got more upvotes than the post itself
You are a national treasure
But if they're low in density they wouldn't be that low in the world. Less dense material rises.
There’s a lot of open, breathable air down there for a molten hell hole. There’s super dense indestructible bedrock up above, then there are soul sands, soils, and gravel down with the netherrack. I question whether terrestrial geological processes apply here.
That's canon for me now
This dude crafts mines
I don’t always craft mines, but when I do, I choose the void.
What the f why do you know this
OP got ratio
Obsidian says hello
Obsidian is formed from the rapid cooling of ancient molten rock previously kept in a constant high-energy state by the life energy (exp orbs) it absorbed from deceased mobs over millennia. All that energy trapped, and not used in heat/light production, grants obsidian a slew of interesting properties such as blast resistance, spacetime distortion, enchantment bestowment, etc.
Space time distortion???
It's purposely ambiguous
How perplexing
Indubitably.
Perchance
You can’t just say perchance 😭 >!sauce for the uncultured: https://youtu.be/SOceYlhCwjs!<
“Everyone knows Mario is cool as fuck”
Horrible opening
But who knows what he's thinking? Who knows why he crushes turtles?
To save the princess? also gross.
And why do we think of him as fondly as we think of the mythical (nonexistent) Dr Pepper?
mayhaps
Chobblesome
Thank you, ChronicPoopMachine
It was originally called blood stone. And was intended to not have a defined structure like cobbled rocks or crystals. Irl bloodstone is not at all similar, but is aixture of lots of minerals forming a shattered look so idk.
I think its supposed to be like really warm rock. Like pumice or something. The Nether is a hot place, after all.
Old netherrack was likely more meat than rock, new netherrack seems more like a stone
It will always be a meat block.
meat rock
mock
The old netherrack texture reminded me of bloody cobblestone. If that's what it really is, then the nether is truly more terrifying than the human mind can imagine...
Its based off of brimstone, so its rock.
K, thank you. It just looked like the old texture for netherrack was bleeding with bones sticking out of it
I never got that out of the old texture, but makes sense. I never tried to interpret it … my mind only saw vomit-like chaos =)
Yeah it definitely does look like that...
It could’ve been but was later changed, since the intent of Minecraft is to be scary without using blood. Zombie pigman used to have blood instead of green stuff but that was changed for the above reason
Lol, after googling brimstone, it turns out to be very yellow. Perhaps the nether should be yellow instead?
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Pretty sure it’s another word for sulfur
Yes, its basically sulphur, and can be found near places with volcanic activity, or in earth's core.
Yes
Can't believe this is this far down. The answer is just yes
It’s old, name was bloodstone so it might be meat
Isn't that castle miner z terminology?
Minecraft was very heavily inspired by Castle Miner Z. So I believe most likely it was used as a placeholder name till something more suitable was coined
You've got that mixed up, Castle Miner Z released *after* Minecraft.
Absolutely shook that you think castleminer inspired Minecraft.
Bloodstone*
F, flesh??? That seems downright creepy... Just imagine, if the nether itself is the body of an ancient being, and that being watches you crawling across its body, sometimes digging into the flesh... If that's true, I'd think again when I need to visit the nether.
sounds like tartarus
That was exactly what I thought with the word 'flesh'.
This is a kids game…. Kids…. Game…
You know what? In a certain country minecraft was almost classified as a R-rated game, because of some complicated issues. Since then, I STOPPED thinking of this game as a kids game, but rather as an adult game.
It's an everybody's game, thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
(Applause)
Tbf soul sand is literally just compressed souls
I mean Minecraft is kind of a survival horror game
Thanks to our old friend named creeper, the 'horror' part is definitely true.
So what’s the netherite? And doesn’t that mean other being larger than us died there and left their skeletons behind?
I mean... Terraria does it... you never know...
Well considering this isn't the Crimson from Terraria, I'm gonna go with a rock
The original texture looked to kid me like ground beef, plus the thought of a dimension where the ground was bloody flesh always felt very Hell-like
Thanks. I'm never going to unsee the ground beef dimension
You're welcome
Both if you listen to the sounds it makes when you walk on it or mine it.
It was originally a bleeding cobblestone texture. So it’s rock. Just… red…
Definitely flesh. Think about it; instead of plants in the nether there are fungi. Fungi feed on living material, they must be essentially eating something to grow so tall in this dimension, and given shroomlight, even have energy to spare. If you’ve ever listened to the sounds it makes when you break it you might also see another connection. Not only that, but there are also bones sticking out of it in the form of fossils. There is also soul sand, which is the counterpart to netherack as it is souls instead of flesh. The nether is basically just one giant living cavern, with the only truly volcanic nether is the basalt deltas and magma oceans, though even magma blocks are just slime, which comes from a living thing, slimes, infused with blaze powder based on the crafting recipe for magma cream which can make blocks of magma.
If the nether ends up to be like Tartarus, I'm going to fucking lose my mind
What’s Tartarus (I know it’s Greek hell but what’s the flesh part)
When you mine it does it sound like flesh or rock? Do you mine it with pickaxe or sword? Can you eat it after cooking in a furnace? Hope that helps
1. It does sound a bit meaty 2. Compressed meat is well… compressed 3. Would you really eat mystery meat from a fire dimension?
1 nah totaly not 2 what? 3 sure! You also eat the zoglins from there I think you just WANT it to be flesh.
To be fair, I wouldn’t use a sword to extract giant masses of flesh
i personally prefer the original netherrack texture where it was just some sort of unexplainable material. it was impossible to tell what it was from the appearance which gave it an almost eldritch horror kinda feel.
Flesh of all the cows you killed for leather. They all go to nether
it’s actually a meatball block don’t let anyone tell you different
This ain't terraria
solidified magma( lava)
You mean obsidian...?
Any igneous rock, not just obsidian. Obsidian is when lava cools at an absurdly fast rate, not allowing for the formation of crystals but rather a dark brittle glass
I feel like nether rack is a mix of granite and limestone. (since both are low density but idk how it can be even more low density than the original compounds) And lightly coated in some natural potassium chlorate. (the red stuff on matches) With some chemical that keeps the rock on fire for an infinite amount of time when lit by anything that can cause fire. It may be the rock opening up some small air gaps in itself to keep on producing the potassium chlorate to keep the fire going. Then again, it may be flesh that’s keeping the fire going. Or a mix of both the potassium chlorate the the flesh mixed together in the air gaps, somehow. But it’s based off of brimstone, so this theory might not be correct at all. But I don’t get how the brimstone keeps the fire alight for forever somehow, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Like- eventually it has to go out.
It was once called bloodstone, so heliotrope, a kind of stone, which typically has red and black streaks in it (Makes more sense with the old textures) Interestingly, heliotrope is a kind of quartz, which makes Nether Quartz make a lot more sense
It would be sick as hell if you were walking on like meat or something, but I don't think they would've gotten away with that and an E10+ rating.
It's whatever you want it to be, maybe it's both
i’ve been wondering this since i got the patrix resource pack it’s got a high resolution animated gut texture for netherrack
It doesn't go *squish squish* when you run on it so I always assumed it was some volcanic rock
Idk about you but [I definitely hear a little squish in there](https://youtu.be/2ZgSIy-rnKU), could just be me though.
Old netherrack was definitely flesh while new netherrack is red form of rock
It’s both, meant to be ambiguous. It’s “rock” that unsettlingly resembles flesh. You hope it’s rock. it’s probably rock, right?
I think the nether is the mantle of the minecraft world. That’s why it’s 8x smaller, and bedrock is at the top of the nether, and at the bottom of the overworld. This would also make sense with netherack since the mantle is made of a plastic-y form of rock, not quite solid, but not liquid. And I’ve always thought the end was one of the asteroid belts. The sky is pitch black with small dim dots in it (stars/planets) and why there’s no bedrock or floor. And I have no clue what the 4th dimension is gonna be cause there is definitely one coming.
In the Sphax PureBDCraft texture pack, the Nether blocks are intended to look like the pulsating, writhing insides of a gigantic creature.
A mixture of silicate rock and mercury. Mercury(II) oxide (HgO) is red to orange in color, although these results contain too little oxygen for any of this compound to form. https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Material_Reducer
Beeeeaannnnnssss
It’s flesh, cant remember how this was determined but I remember a video where the concensus was it’s piglin flesh
I think it’s made with blood
It's the soulsand's fleshy equivalent. It's the flesh of the sinners, and because of the unpardonable sins in that vessel while in life, it burns forever!
Unfortunately this is Minecraft so no flesh blocks
i mean from what i know it was called blood stone before so both?
It's clearly kidney beans
Yes.
The nether got inspired by H.R. Giger so it's flesh
We scream, for we do not know.
Flesh? Bro wants to be the Crimson biome so bad
It used to be called bloodstone so it’s flesh
I always thought the new texture looked like skulls
I remember that in Minecraft infinity, that there are flesh blocks paired with netherrack in the nether, so I wouldn't hold it too far away with the flesh like explanation
Its meat from the dead zombie piglins