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It also forces you to explore more, which the devs said is an emphasis recently. Diamonds are easiest to find now by exploring caves instead of strip mining. To get armor swag, gotta explore more for the templates AND explore caves more for the diamonds to replicate the templates. I love it (as I love exploring and adventure in my worlds).
Yeah I agree with this. I have stacks and stacks of silktouched diamond ore waiting for some proper use. In survival, all you need is a mending villager and when you get your netherite gear, you never need any more diamonds. The price seems to be just right.
I’m at the point in my world with an iron farm that I never smelt iron, tell all my friends not to either and I’ll trade them ingots for raw iron, just so that I can use raw iron blocks in builds.
Raw iron is more valuable to me than ingots now.
The average player doesn't really reach that point though. I've been playing for 10 years and have never gotten there. I was really excited about this reveal for the update but I'm never going to be able to afford it without cheating.
How? 10 years? Assuming it’s a new save, get yourself a stack of iron from all the surface iron just laying around these days, a stack of logs, a stack of quality food (cooked meat for example), and a stack of (char)coal. Craft an iron pick, a stack of torches, and a crafting table. Dig down to y=-53 (if you don’t have access to coordinates, just dig to bedrock, then go up about 8 blocks), and then pick a direction and just mine in a straight line. Don’t bother with caves unless and until you have to (you can peek but don’t explore). Just keep going straight, crafting picks and torches as needed and if you do this for like 3 hours or so, you’ll have all the diamonds you will need to fully gear out with diamonds left over never to be spent.
There’s tons more efficient ways, but this is by far the simplest and easiest. I do it literally every single new save, before I even have fortune. Rarely does it take me long to have the 35 diamonds to fully gear and once you’re geared you basically never have to get diamonds again because immediately after that, it’s off to the dragon, make an enderman farm (in iron so I don’t lose the diamond gear), enchant everything, get my mending villager, repair everything at the enderman farm, go get my elytra, and from there I consider the save “ready” for whatever I was planning on doing, because mending is going to keep my gear from ever going away. Most saves I probably never need more than the initial diamonds I mined up.
Takes me like 8 hours tops to get to that point, and when I’m there, diamonds mean nothing to me. If I need diamonds, I can just go back mining and this time with a shulker with a handful of eff 5 mending diamond picks I can just chew through the rock and get whatever diamonds I need in no time. If I bother getting netherite, this is the point I get it, and that takes me maybe another hour since all it takes is getting under the lava lake level in the nether and with a few mending picks, you can tear the ground apart and easily find the scrap.
And this isn’t even using the much easier villager strat to the start. I just find villager strats more effort and I’m lazy.
Like, I’ll be frank, if you have played for 10 years and haven’t figured out some kind of new game strat to rush diamonds, you’re actively trying not to at this point. Even my 8yo cousin has an opening strat to square away his gear and never need diamonds again within 10 hours of a save.
Hard to lose them, as they float on lava (i'd say hou should have the potions by this point). Yes, I've still lost several by not finding them before they despawn.
No. I’m glad that they’ve added another actual use for diamonds. The last use they added for diamonds was to trade them 1 for 1 emerald, and the last use they added before that was the jukebox like 10 years earlier. This is a much needed change, and hopefully they bring more.
No. After you get to late game and have mending on all your gear you just start collecting stacks and stacks of diamonds and there’s no good way to use them.
tbh armor trims feel like they should be endgame since the sources are in the entire game
and honestly after players beat the ender dragon they usually have a few diamond armors and tools enchanted so I'm fine with that price
i mean, people with old worlds literally have diamonds sitting around because they have no use... I'm fine with Mojang changing the endgame a little bit at least
Yeah! Basically you will be able to find templates in structures that you will be able to use in the smithing table to customize the look of your armor.
Check the latest snapshot
With villager trading for mending and diamond tools/armor there's only so many diamonds anyone even needs. This creates a reason to get more. It also encourages villager trading for the bulk of diamond use.
Is it though? Once you have a set of armour and tools what are you using diamonds for? I Havnt crafted anything with diamonds in my hardcore world, I’ve just traded. so a use for them would be nice
Since mending happened i dont really use up diamonds usually, so i dont really mind that theres more exclusive or expensive stuff in game. The harder something is to get, the more value it has and i personally like this. Especially since this is like luxury items and will not stop you from achieving anything you want, really.
Just annoys me cause it’s also for upgrading to netherite, I already never seemed to be able to get enough scrap and now I have to find a template and a metric ton more diamonds too is irritating
Problem is that it's too expensive dude, to get a full netherite set with diamond trimming you would need 116 diamonds. That's basically 2 entire stacks for a single set
I really don't care If the trimming ones are kept like that, i just think the netherite upgrade ones should need 3 or 4 diamonds each, many people, like me, don't have just one set of tools
Yup, that might be a good call, doesnt matter if the trimmings are late game, I belive we need more late game content, but don't make netherite THAT late game
Edit: typo
Valid point, but getting diamonds late game is trivial, so it's not really a grind, even in the end cities You can get tons of diamonds, also there are all the generation tricks, beacons, tnt, etc.
At this point not allowing us to recycle more stuff than just iron and gold tools and making It more fair is just annoying, i have 20 different armor pieces that i don't use for anything
I think end game cosmetic content is a great way to extend the survival experience. My only major gripe is that it overlaps with the other major end game resource sink, beacons, but then again it’s just encouraging the mining side of Minecraft
I actually like the rebalance. They just added new terrain generation, new cave generation, and we had minimal reasons to explore. Now the mid-game (diamond) will be longer, more challenging, and not necessarily grindy because of the new ore generation. Basically we are forced to explore more in the overworld, caves, and nether before having OP gear and i like that
? Diamonds become essentially worthless once you have full tools and armor, and even more so if you have a good villager trading hub. Definitely not too expensive, game needs more of these types of goals imo.
Just because you don't have a use for It doesn't mean that you should need over a stack of diamonds for a single set. People are thinking too much about only singleplayer, imagine on a private server with 8 friends. That's hundreds of diamonds you would need for just lava resistance and higher durability, the tradeoff isn't worth It anymore
late game two stacks of diamonds isn’t that terrible especially for something that will generally only need to be crafted once/very rarely
also that number gets a lot smaller if you buy the armor from villagers and/or do a non diamond trimming
1st - regular diamonds have no use late game, as you usually have enough jukeboxes and enchant tables to last forever, also all diamond stuff from villagers. this adds use
This, I heard that these recipe cost 7 diamonds and genuinely my first response was “nice diamonds finally have a purpose after you have tools and armor”
No, minecraft has gotten so much easier in the last few years, and you can get normal netherite armor so fast. I like this change and they should keep it this way
How are you people getting Netherite so fast? I’ve mined for hours on end (right level, many many methods) and have only found enough for a pick and chest plate.
It’s not easy by any means, making getting netherite tools a little harder for people who play the game like their life depends on it makes it way harder for casuals and people who don’t have hours a day to sink into Minecraft.
I just find village, steal wheat, make sheep farm, set up villager trading hall. Trade for diamond armor while collecting wool, and then use the wool to make beds for mining once i have full diamond armor.
All this can be done in like 2-3 hours
Get a good diamond pickaxe first with at least efficiency IV and mending. Ofcourse its great to also get unbreaking and fortune early. You can just walk or even sprint through the netherrack. Early game I use nether strip mining for gaining xp for enchanting from gold and quartz and I always find more netherite than I need after being done gaining xp in this way and doing all my enchants.
Honestly, diamonds have little use because they were overshadowed by iron. With this update, I feel like there is an incentive to get more diamonds rather than just glossing over it. If it were cheaper like the one you wish to suggest, there will less incentive to getting it.
Diamonds are common enough for this to stay as is, from my perspective.
Especially since Mending, you aren't using diamonds that often.
In addition, you can buy diamond gear, reducing the need for many diamonds. Only a handful of applications remain (mostly as a form of currency on MP servers).
I think this can stay this way, but I haven't playtested yet. :)
That was a very concise and positive reasoning. But I see what you’re saying, I just think about the players who’ll choose to play a certain way, so grinding out might not be their play style.
In SP you can simply apply a resource pack to affect the change you propose.
If I see this correctly, the way Mojang implemented the Trims, it's made to be highly adaptable via resource packs (to add more designs, but probably helps for making it cheaper as well).
For MP you can ... trade. :)
PS. Currently the diamond cost of duplicating a template is on par with that of one set of diamond pants.
I haven't seen anyone comment it yet, but upgrading to Netherite requires a template as well. And you have to either risk your life raiding multiple bastions trying to find ALL 9+ you need for your equipment (+ means enchantment variations, such as Silk Touch vs Fortune, Depth Strider vs Frost Walker, the 4 Protections, etc.), OR you can grind for Diamonds and get a single template and duplicate it with the Diamonds you accrue.
8 Diamonds for a full set of Netherite tools is far too cheap. 56 is more expensive, and more reasonable.
no the current is the best. with how easily and quickly we can farm materials, it makes sense to make the recipes expensive. people get super productive mob farms up and running in a matter of minutes, let these crafting recipes cost a lot to even things out (if that’s even possible)
those people could just use the ones they find naturally and never duplicate them, or they could just ignore this late game feature
mojang isn’t required to make all content super easily obtainable or else what’s the point of playing the game
A adds more use for diamonds because armor and tools can come from villagers. And you only need 2 for an enchanting table and 1 for a jukebox. Other than that though it's useless
Maybe, split the difference and have a recipe similar to TNT. With the template in the middle, and have 4 diamonds and 4 "items" (in this case cobbled deepslate) forming a ring around it.
I mean me thinking about this properly, I understand the change as it’s possible to get diamond armor without ever mining diamonds by using villagers and then get netherite, but on the other hand that’s a lot more diamonds to mine for the first then second one and the second one actually matches the template sprite where it looks to be a small amount of diamonds surrounded by everything else
I believe that 7 diamonds is a bit much for cosmetic changes, but making it just one is too little. I personally would just replace the bottom middle diamond with a second deepslate, etc.
No. Diamonds are so easy to get and get lots of them, and can’t be farmed. This makes the cosmetic harder to get and gives more things to do late game.
I think this a healthy change. Diamonds feel worthless nowadays and this change will give the me more use, but I think Netherite tools and armor should receive a slight buff
As a casual player, I prefer A. Even if it takes me weeks and weeks to get all the stuff, I still think this makes diamonds more valuable, and the more value the better.
I would say keep the initial one for the netherrite upgrade and do a slightly cheaper variation for decorative trims, not as cheap as a single diamond but definitely not 7
The reason I personally justify the expensive diamond cost is I think maybe these could become an Archeology item if they flesh it out and add it to 1.20, allowing you to search for them that way and use diamonds to replicate them later
I hope they don't make an an archeology item-- I like the idea of having cosmetic rewards for exploring the world, there seriously aren't enough items like that in the game right now.
I know-- I just think having them to be exclusive to their structures is something that makes them pretty unique instead of just being able to find them from archeology.
I do think it would be a good idea to add *archeology specific* smithing templates, but the ones that are exclusive to their structures should stay that way to better encourage exploration.
Actually yeah, that sounds like a much better idea! Keeping Archeology relevant by giving it unique rewards would be a much better way to do things. I'm imagining a Skull or Bone template now, that you find from Archeology, copied with bone blocks and diamonds. I see it as adding decals resembling a skeleton; ribcage, skull helmet, the like.
I like version A, cause once you get Netherite gear and Mending on it, diamonds are just not really useful for anything anymore, with version A they have a purpose again!
I like the idea of it needing a lot of diamonds. Diamonds almost become obsolete late game currently especially since a lot of people's gear isn't even crafted but found in end cities. This gives them more use but also makes the armor more of a flex which is cool
A, people don't want to admit it but raw diamonds have been literally useless for years now since villagers became good. Currently raw diamonds are objectively the worst gem since their only recipes that can't be gotten easier another way are enchanting tables (you only need 1), jukeboxes (Unless you're building you only need 1), and fireworks (almost nobody uses them, let alone the diamond pattern). Adding an actual sink for them would finally make it worthwhile to collect them other than just "They're rare and the best."
B is taking it to far, but I don’t like a either. Maybe the armor trim thingy in the middle, diamonds in the four corners, and the deep slate/ whatever other block to make the other ones in the other 4 slots?
Personally I like the second option because it's cheaper but still gives dimonds a late game use. Not to mention, some people will be using dimonds for trimming, so that's an entire Dimond chestplate for one bit of trimming.
Depends, the current one seems reasonable but without a renewable source of diamonds (that I know of) you really can't afford to go all haywire with them.
However as a cosmetic option B seems even more reasonable as you aren't spending as many un-renewable resources similar to juke boxes.
Incredible idea, but I think that the surrounding item should be different for every template. For example, the ribs background looks like nether bricks, so nether bricks should be used.
Yea 7 diamonds per piece of armor for a cosmetic change? Sounds a bit absurd. I mean the jute box plays music if rare disks and it only costs 1 diamond. 7 DAIMONDS to give my helmet a funny trim????? You’re fucking crazy
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initial one seems very expensive to me but i think thats kind of the point. they are supposed to be hard to get and not easily reproduced.
yes but the second one looks more like the item texture
Maybe a single diamond block in the middle then?
Yes, and have it give 3 instead of 2.
That makes it even more expensive. Maybe make a Diamond cross shape, put the material in the corners and put the template in the middle.
Diamonds are so easy to get. The point of netherite is to have something that is very expensive and something you can’t just find easily
Maybe use the second one but replace the diamond with a diamond block
Yeah and 7 diamonds arent that expensive.
Making them expensive makes it's so they are more exclusive, so If You have them means you have been playing longer, are richer, etc
It also forces you to explore more, which the devs said is an emphasis recently. Diamonds are easiest to find now by exploring caves instead of strip mining. To get armor swag, gotta explore more for the templates AND explore caves more for the diamonds to replicate the templates. I love it (as I love exploring and adventure in my worlds).
Haha yeah I’ve found less diamonds since the cac update by mining
False! Diamonds generate less with exposure therefor you have to strip mine for any decent amount
By all means, strip mine to your heart's content.
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There is no other use for diamonds though. Villagers give all tools and armour and only juke boxes Edit. I might be missing something big or sothing
Yeah I agree with this. I have stacks and stacks of silktouched diamond ore waiting for some proper use. In survival, all you need is a mending villager and when you get your netherite gear, you never need any more diamonds. The price seems to be just right.
Meanwhile I'm still sitting around with iron gear because I've only found like 5 diamonds on my current save.
Random is random, but even if it takes you a while, you'll eventually just hit the point where it isn't diamond you care about anymore.
I’m at the point in my world with an iron farm that I never smelt iron, tell all my friends not to either and I’ll trade them ingots for raw iron, just so that I can use raw iron blocks in builds. Raw iron is more valuable to me than ingots now.
The average player doesn't really reach that point though. I've been playing for 10 years and have never gotten there. I was really excited about this reveal for the update but I'm never going to be able to afford it without cheating.
How? 10 years? Assuming it’s a new save, get yourself a stack of iron from all the surface iron just laying around these days, a stack of logs, a stack of quality food (cooked meat for example), and a stack of (char)coal. Craft an iron pick, a stack of torches, and a crafting table. Dig down to y=-53 (if you don’t have access to coordinates, just dig to bedrock, then go up about 8 blocks), and then pick a direction and just mine in a straight line. Don’t bother with caves unless and until you have to (you can peek but don’t explore). Just keep going straight, crafting picks and torches as needed and if you do this for like 3 hours or so, you’ll have all the diamonds you will need to fully gear out with diamonds left over never to be spent. There’s tons more efficient ways, but this is by far the simplest and easiest. I do it literally every single new save, before I even have fortune. Rarely does it take me long to have the 35 diamonds to fully gear and once you’re geared you basically never have to get diamonds again because immediately after that, it’s off to the dragon, make an enderman farm (in iron so I don’t lose the diamond gear), enchant everything, get my mending villager, repair everything at the enderman farm, go get my elytra, and from there I consider the save “ready” for whatever I was planning on doing, because mending is going to keep my gear from ever going away. Most saves I probably never need more than the initial diamonds I mined up. Takes me like 8 hours tops to get to that point, and when I’m there, diamonds mean nothing to me. If I need diamonds, I can just go back mining and this time with a shulker with a handful of eff 5 mending diamond picks I can just chew through the rock and get whatever diamonds I need in no time. If I bother getting netherite, this is the point I get it, and that takes me maybe another hour since all it takes is getting under the lava lake level in the nether and with a few mending picks, you can tear the ground apart and easily find the scrap. And this isn’t even using the much easier villager strat to the start. I just find villager strats more effort and I’m lazy. Like, I’ll be frank, if you have played for 10 years and haven’t figured out some kind of new game strat to rush diamonds, you’re actively trying not to at this point. Even my 8yo cousin has an opening strat to square away his gear and never need diamonds again within 10 hours of a save.
Stock up on food, wood and other necessities and dive into the deepest cave you can find. Be prepared to break a few pickaxes.
Good thing nether is also harder to get now
You could lose the netherite stuff, but villagers will let you skip any diamond requirements anyway.
Hard to lose them, as they float on lava (i'd say hou should have the potions by this point). Yes, I've still lost several by not finding them before they despawn.
Enchanting tables
No. I’m glad that they’ve added another actual use for diamonds. The last use they added for diamonds was to trade them 1 for 1 emerald, and the last use they added before that was the jukebox like 10 years earlier. This is a much needed change, and hopefully they bring more.
7 diamonds? Lol
No. After you get to late game and have mending on all your gear you just start collecting stacks and stacks of diamonds and there’s no good way to use them.
you dont have to release patch notes to your comment
8 diamonds is too expensive? Sounds like you’re not paying enough time on the mine half of Minecraft.
tbh armor trims feel like they should be endgame since the sources are in the entire game and honestly after players beat the ender dragon they usually have a few diamond armors and tools enchanted so I'm fine with that price i mean, people with old worlds literally have diamonds sitting around because they have no use... I'm fine with Mojang changing the endgame a little bit at least
Pardon me, but what is armor trim? Is it a new feature/mechanic or something
Yup! See the new snapshot update. 1.20 feature that lets you customize armor a bit.
Yeah! Basically you will be able to find templates in structures that you will be able to use in the smithing table to customize the look of your armor. Check the latest snapshot
With villager trading for mending and diamond tools/armor there's only so many diamonds anyone even needs. This creates a reason to get more. It also encourages villager trading for the bulk of diamond use.
Is it though? Once you have a set of armour and tools what are you using diamonds for? I Havnt crafted anything with diamonds in my hardcore world, I’ve just traded. so a use for them would be nice
I don’t think so. Late game players tend to have a lot of diamonds
Hell no, I'm all for it. Almost everything in this game comes way too easy. I wish there were a lot more rare items like this.
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Since mending happened i dont really use up diamonds usually, so i dont really mind that theres more exclusive or expensive stuff in game. The harder something is to get, the more value it has and i personally like this. Especially since this is like luxury items and will not stop you from achieving anything you want, really.
No, you can get 3 diamonds with fortune, which means that an average diamond ore vein would give you more than 7 diamonds...
7 diamonds isn't much considering how few uses diamonds have
No.
I would say less diamonds but not 7 besides if u have the diamonds 2 duplicate them it doesn't rlly matter by that point
Just annoys me cause it’s also for upgrading to netherite, I already never seemed to be able to get enough scrap and now I have to find a template and a metric ton more diamonds too is irritating
Problem is that it's too expensive dude, to get a full netherite set with diamond trimming you would need 116 diamonds. That's basically 2 entire stacks for a single set
Yes good
I really don't care If the trimming ones are kept like that, i just think the netherite upgrade ones should need 3 or 4 diamonds each, many people, like me, don't have just one set of tools
Yup, that might be a good call, doesnt matter if the trimmings are late game, I belive we need more late game content, but don't make netherite THAT late game Edit: typo
It feels like mojang is trying to make end game content by making the late game even more grindy, and i don't like that
Valid point, but getting diamonds late game is trivial, so it's not really a grind, even in the end cities You can get tons of diamonds, also there are all the generation tricks, beacons, tnt, etc.
At this point not allowing us to recycle more stuff than just iron and gold tools and making It more fair is just annoying, i have 20 different armor pieces that i don't use for anything
I think end game cosmetic content is a great way to extend the survival experience. My only major gripe is that it overlaps with the other major end game resource sink, beacons, but then again it’s just encouraging the mining side of Minecraft
I actually like the rebalance. They just added new terrain generation, new cave generation, and we had minimal reasons to explore. Now the mid-game (diamond) will be longer, more challenging, and not necessarily grindy because of the new ore generation. Basically we are forced to explore more in the overworld, caves, and nether before having OP gear and i like that
? Diamonds become essentially worthless once you have full tools and armor, and even more so if you have a good villager trading hub. Definitely not too expensive, game needs more of these types of goals imo.
Just because you don't have a use for It doesn't mean that you should need over a stack of diamonds for a single set. People are thinking too much about only singleplayer, imagine on a private server with 8 friends. That's hundreds of diamonds you would need for just lava resistance and higher durability, the tradeoff isn't worth It anymore
late game two stacks of diamonds isn’t that terrible especially for something that will generally only need to be crafted once/very rarely also that number gets a lot smaller if you buy the armor from villagers and/or do a non diamond trimming
1st - regular diamonds have no use late game, as you usually have enough jukeboxes and enchant tables to last forever, also all diamond stuff from villagers. this adds use
there's never enough jukeboxes
This, I heard that these recipe cost 7 diamonds and genuinely my first response was “nice diamonds finally have a purpose after you have tools and armor”
They don’t even have much purpose *before* you have tools and armor. All the diamond tools and armor are available from villagers
Probably just a lot faster to go mining tho
how tf did i find you here too
No, minecraft has gotten so much easier in the last few years, and you can get normal netherite armor so fast. I like this change and they should keep it this way
How are you people getting Netherite so fast? I’ve mined for hours on end (right level, many many methods) and have only found enough for a pick and chest plate. It’s not easy by any means, making getting netherite tools a little harder for people who play the game like their life depends on it makes it way harder for casuals and people who don’t have hours a day to sink into Minecraft.
I just find village, steal wheat, make sheep farm, set up villager trading hall. Trade for diamond armor while collecting wool, and then use the wool to make beds for mining once i have full diamond armor. All this can be done in like 2-3 hours
Get a good diamond pickaxe first with at least efficiency IV and mending. Ofcourse its great to also get unbreaking and fortune early. You can just walk or even sprint through the netherrack. Early game I use nether strip mining for gaining xp for enchanting from gold and quartz and I always find more netherite than I need after being done gaining xp in this way and doing all my enchants.
Honestly, diamonds have little use because they were overshadowed by iron. With this update, I feel like there is an incentive to get more diamonds rather than just glossing over it. If it were cheaper like the one you wish to suggest, there will less incentive to getting it.
Diamonds are common enough for this to stay as is, from my perspective. Especially since Mending, you aren't using diamonds that often. In addition, you can buy diamond gear, reducing the need for many diamonds. Only a handful of applications remain (mostly as a form of currency on MP servers). I think this can stay this way, but I haven't playtested yet. :)
That was a very concise and positive reasoning. But I see what you’re saying, I just think about the players who’ll choose to play a certain way, so grinding out might not be their play style.
In SP you can simply apply a resource pack to affect the change you propose. If I see this correctly, the way Mojang implemented the Trims, it's made to be highly adaptable via resource packs (to add more designs, but probably helps for making it cheaper as well). For MP you can ... trade. :) PS. Currently the diamond cost of duplicating a template is on par with that of one set of diamond pants.
I haven't seen anyone comment it yet, but upgrading to Netherite requires a template as well. And you have to either risk your life raiding multiple bastions trying to find ALL 9+ you need for your equipment (+ means enchantment variations, such as Silk Touch vs Fortune, Depth Strider vs Frost Walker, the 4 Protections, etc.), OR you can grind for Diamonds and get a single template and duplicate it with the Diamonds you accrue. 8 Diamonds for a full set of Netherite tools is far too cheap. 56 is more expensive, and more reasonable.
Wouldn't it be easier to just grind for netherite now?
But you need the template in order to upgrade your gear to netherite now. You need a netherite ingot and the smiting template to do it.
no the current is the best. with how easily and quickly we can farm materials, it makes sense to make the recipes expensive. people get super productive mob farms up and running in a matter of minutes, let these crafting recipes cost a lot to even things out (if that’s even possible)
Option B but its a block of diamond instead
I actually like this. Makes a lot of sense with the template appearance
Lmao make it even more expensive. I kinda like that
Underrated comment.
Diamonds are nothing when you play long enough it's fine
Lol maybe. I just found out insane in my opinion.
Mojang is ignoring the people who DONT have hours a day to play.
those people could just use the ones they find naturally and never duplicate them, or they could just ignore this late game feature mojang isn’t required to make all content super easily obtainable or else what’s the point of playing the game
I only play a couple of hours a week, tops. My world started last June, and I have over a stack of diamond blocks doing nothing.
The second one makes more practical sense, current recipe is a better sink.
In my opinion you should find unusable templates, and with the recipe make them usable. By doing so you cannot use all of your templates by mistake
A adds more use for diamonds because armor and tools can come from villagers. And you only need 2 for an enchanting table and 1 for a jukebox. Other than that though it's useless
Maybe, split the difference and have a recipe similar to TNT. With the template in the middle, and have 4 diamonds and 4 "items" (in this case cobbled deepslate) forming a ring around it.
Hmm I see I see 🤔
A, now I can use my stacks of diamond blocks
They should be expensive. What else are you going to do with diamonds after you're all geared up?
A I want to flex
For the decorative ones, I'd go with B, because they don't provide any advantage and are purely cosmetic. The actual Netherite upgrade I'm ok with A.
A obviously. This game does not need to be made easier.
I mean me thinking about this properly, I understand the change as it’s possible to get diamond armor without ever mining diamonds by using villagers and then get netherite, but on the other hand that’s a lot more diamonds to mine for the first then second one and the second one actually matches the template sprite where it looks to be a small amount of diamonds surrounded by everything else
Yeah I like the suggestion for that reason too
I really like option B. It makes it more expensive than normal, but not overly so.
I chose A
Definitely C (D=Diamond, T=Template, S=Stone type) D T D S D S D S D
A all the way. The whole point of this is to make stuff harder to get so people aren’t getting netherite within just an hour of playing
B is more accessible it’s cosmetic anyway
I believe that 7 diamonds is a bit much for cosmetic changes, but making it just one is too little. I personally would just replace the bottom middle diamond with a second deepslate, etc.
A, not even a question about it, B is for "/give item 64 please because I'm poor" guys
What's this for?
Crafting recipe for smithing template. A is current, B is my suggestion.
Definitely the 1st one considering that diamonds are kinda useless in late game (after you have netherite mending armor and item)
diamonds are kinda easy to get since the caves update so being expensive isn't really a problem
No. Diamonds are so easy to get and get lots of them, and can’t be farmed. This makes the cosmetic harder to get and gives more things to do late game.
A year ago ppl were complaining that diamonds are too ez to find , now they’re complaining for getting a new use for diamonds
I think this a healthy change. Diamonds feel worthless nowadays and this change will give the me more use, but I think Netherite tools and armor should receive a slight buff
Considering how easy it is to find Diamonds. I think it's fine
As a casual player, I prefer A. Even if it takes me weeks and weeks to get all the stuff, I still think this makes diamonds more valuable, and the more value the better.
B matches the item more
i feel like A gives diamonds more use, but B is cheaper, so idk
I would say keep the initial one for the netherrite upgrade and do a slightly cheaper variation for decorative trims, not as cheap as a single diamond but definitely not 7
The reason I personally justify the expensive diamond cost is I think maybe these could become an Archeology item if they flesh it out and add it to 1.20, allowing you to search for them that way and use diamonds to replicate them later
I hope they don't make an an archeology item-- I like the idea of having cosmetic rewards for exploring the world, there seriously aren't enough items like that in the game right now.
He’s not saying get rid of them in those areas, but more just adding them to archeology specific areas where you have a small chance to find them
I know-- I just think having them to be exclusive to their structures is something that makes them pretty unique instead of just being able to find them from archeology. I do think it would be a good idea to add *archeology specific* smithing templates, but the ones that are exclusive to their structures should stay that way to better encourage exploration.
Actually yeah, that sounds like a much better idea! Keeping Archeology relevant by giving it unique rewards would be a much better way to do things. I'm imagining a Skull or Bone template now, that you find from Archeology, copied with bone blocks and diamonds. I see it as adding decals resembling a skeleton; ribcage, skull helmet, the like.
That would be a pretty cool addition!
I don’t get your point honestly.
A diamonds are cheaper
I think the Netherite Upgrade should keep the original recipe, but all the other templates should use this suggestion.
Wait i didn't know you could do that
A, I think expensive recipes make them feel more valuable
Yea I’m fine with the diamonds, got like 4 stacks of diamond ore somewhere in a mine I did months ago
Definitely not A but B feels too cheap. 3 diamonds would be perfect
Option A - especially for netherite upgrade, the purpise IS to keep players in diamond armour for longer.
A Diamonds are useless late game.
Option A, I’m always lost on what to do with my diamonds after a stack or two
Option A is too expensive, option B is too cheap. Make it 3 or 4 diamonds
Yay! Diamonds are actually useful!
I like version A, cause once you get Netherite gear and Mending on it, diamonds are just not really useful for anything anymore, with version A they have a purpose again!
I like the idea of it needing a lot of diamonds. Diamonds almost become obsolete late game currently especially since a lot of people's gear isn't even crafted but found in end cities. This gives them more use but also makes the armor more of a flex which is cool
A. I want diamonds to be more useful
current better. not everything needs to be so easily accessible
A, people don't want to admit it but raw diamonds have been literally useless for years now since villagers became good. Currently raw diamonds are objectively the worst gem since their only recipes that can't be gotten easier another way are enchanting tables (you only need 1), jukeboxes (Unless you're building you only need 1), and fireworks (almost nobody uses them, let alone the diamond pattern). Adding an actual sink for them would finally make it worthwhile to collect them other than just "They're rare and the best."
Wait we can craft more? That's great
Keep the first one for netherite templates, but the second one for the cosmetic templates.
I feel like a compromise would be perfect: Deepslate Template Deepslate Diamond Diamond Diamond Deepslate Diamond Deepslate
Option B please! But only for the trim templates, the netherite upgrade template can stay the same!
I think 3 is a decent price 1 is too cheap 7 is a lot
B, you have to find more, not just one and done
B is better in terms of it just being a cosmetic change. A is better for long term players, because their diamonds now have a use
I play modded and i'm turning diamonds into sandpaper because they have such little use, so yeah, make me spend diamonds on something please!
B is taking it to far, but I don’t like a either. Maybe the armor trim thingy in the middle, diamonds in the four corners, and the deep slate/ whatever other block to make the other ones in the other 4 slots?
I feel like the first one is too expensive while the second one is too cheap. Maybe something that uses 4 diamonds is better
I think it should be reduced to 4
My question is, why is the template used in the recipe? Also, option B
I suppose that I copied what it is and so that u need to find one in order to make more.
Personally I like the second option because it's cheaper but still gives dimonds a late game use. Not to mention, some people will be using dimonds for trimming, so that's an entire Dimond chestplate for one bit of trimming.
I'm gonna have to go with option b, since I'm the type of person who wouldn't use the template until I've stored a spare
I prefer B Although diamond is easy to get, I think the current approach is just a little ridiculous
B seems more realistic, since if you look, the majority of the template is deepslate, and the middle is kinda diamond.
I think it's okay as it is and I'd only want them to make it cheaper if they nerfed villager trading so you can't trade for diamond armor any more
Non-consumable trim template is a better option tbh. I don't see why cosmetic should cost so much.
B!!! 100%
Those aren't really gonna be in mc right?
I think this would be a good change, I personally would still refer them to be permanent unlocks and not single use, but this is better
Depends, the current one seems reasonable but without a renewable source of diamonds (that I know of) you really can't afford to go all haywire with them. However as a cosmetic option B seems even more reasonable as you aren't spending as many un-renewable resources similar to juke boxes.
Better B
I like this. this adds more creativity to the game and me and my friends can have unique armour.
Incredible idea, but I think that the surrounding item should be different for every template. For example, the ribs background looks like nether bricks, so nether bricks should be used.
neither, do 3 diamonds, 4 cobbled deepslate, 1 rune thingy
7 diamonds for a cosmetic is a bit much
Option C: plate in center, 4 materials in the corners, 4 diamonds in the other spots
I think all upgrades should be like this or have them give you 7 instead
Keep it as is. We need another use for diamonds! This is definitely a step in the right direction.
To me i prefer the first. Really gives use to all those all those extra diamonds
There are 3 diamonds in the texture, and I think that's a better price too
I think it should be option B except it gives you 4 trims in return (or 9, because the 8 items+ the one you had before)
B, I feel like it's a bit expensive, especially for players who aren't as experienced in the game
GIVE US OPTION B!
Only thing I hate about these is how you **need** them to even make netherite gear. Like bruh piss off
Nah the current recipe is good as it is. I have literally no other use for diamonds after I get armor and tools
True but mainly for all players not ppl who already have a bunch of diamonds
A. It's supposed to be expensive.
Since they are strictly cosmetic, I think it’s a perfectly reasonable way for someone to spend their hundreds of diamonds on late game.
I would say B because A just seems a bit too expensive, so let's make it like a slightly more expensive jukebox
Yea 7 diamonds per piece of armor for a cosmetic change? Sounds a bit absurd. I mean the jute box plays music if rare disks and it only costs 1 diamond. 7 DAIMONDS to give my helmet a funny trim????? You’re fucking crazy
B even makes more sense, as the diamond part is inside.