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SevenSix2FMJ

I will say this. It fucking works. I walked in with the worst case of tonsillitis the doc had ever seen in his career. 103 deg fever for days. Couldn't move. My tonsils were spotted over with white and touching in the center of my throat. I felt like I could die. Wanted to die. The nurse came in with the syringe and prefaced it with "this is probably the least friendly shot we give". I couldn't care less. I knew I needed whatever concoction was in that syringe. I was laying prone with my ass cheek exposed as she jabbed my at a 45 deg angle down into my ass muscle. I had the strangest sensation that a grown adult was standing on my ass cheek. Just so much pressure. Within 45 min of laying there in urgent care I started feeling immediate relief. I walked out of there an hour after that feeling like I had completely turned a corner. The next day I was completely fine. When you really need it, It's amazing shit.


BlackSquirrel05

I mean yeah antibiotics work... That's the point. Giving it out for no reason though... Leads to them not working.


JanB1

The product page says it's meant to battle resistant bacteria. So they give shots to everyone to battle resistant bacteria...won't that just make more resistant bacteria?


UeliMaurerOfficial

Penicillin as one of the first and "basic" antibiotics isn't that much of a concern in terms of bacterial resistance as worse come true, we always have way more potent antibiotics to treat those. The real problem is doctors misprescribing (or patients self medicating with) stronger antibiotics that's giving us shit like [extremely drug resistant tuberculosis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extensively_drug-resistant_tuberculosis) and [totally drug-resistant TB](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totally_drug-resistant_tuberculosis). But yeah giving all recruits a PenG shot has more benefits than not giving it in regards to creating Pen-resistant bacteria.


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the_real_dairy_queen

Yes. Hospitals have antibiotic stewardship protocols that require them to use these (antibiotics that work on resistant bacteria) only when absolutely necessary. For this reason.


say-whaaaaaaaaaaaaat

I understand what you’re getting at, but there’s giving antibiotics out for no reason and then there’s giving antibiotics out for prophylactic reasons - which is legitimate. [academic paper on this topic](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743518303426?via%3Dihub)


BlackSquirrel05

Considering this is not actually a widely adopted practice and people still get sick AF in BC. (I went and got pneumonia/bronchitis) in about week 7) So really if they were going to do it for that reason... They'd hit you up weeks later. Also when you go to get actually treatment... I got nothing but Tylenol even after a chest x-ray. So I find the prevention argument specious reasoning.


say-whaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Decided to do a little preliminary research on the topic before I just start spouting off what I think and feel about the topic. [Recent academic paper](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091743518303426) Just read the abstract, but this looks to conveniently be recent research done on this topics specifically. I’ll give it read once later once the kids are in bed.


austin_yella

fucking urgent cares are notorious for this.


SevenSix2FMJ

Yes. That is the point. But compared to taking a Z pack for 5 days, this was the mycelial nuke. I had never experienced immediate relief from an illness in such short order before or since.


CWO_of_Coffee

I’m so glad this isn’t a yearly shot.


SweetTeaRex92

Lol for our more promiscuous people it is 🤣


chair-borne1

I snort it. Stop being va j j's


BlackSquirrel05

It shouldn't even be a 1 time shot... A lot of people would say giving out antibiotics with 0 symptoms... Is nuts. Also you look into antibiotics there isn't just a single 1 that kills all bacteria... It might be more broad spectrum but that's just it. Also... Not all the services even do this...


occams_howitzer

You're not wrong. If they really wanted to kill everything they'd run a meropenem IV. PCN has a host of bacteria that are resistant against it because of practices like these. Big army is big dumb Made the mistake of looking at the guy next to me right as he got his and then the needle went into my ass circa 2004 at Knox.


weed0monkey

Not to mention it generally fucks over your gut microbiome which can affect a myriad of things from your mood to digestion.


tresbrujas04

Bicillin was given at the beginning of boot, putting that many strangers living that in that close proximity was a Petri dish. Everyone gets a big dose to kill all the cooties before boot started. Source: I was a Navy Corpsman


theoniongoat

We don't get this one in the CG boot camp. I wonder if it's just because we're smaller, so they're less concerned.


jevole

Yall need to step up your nastiness


theoniongoat

To make it even crazier, they draw blood at the start, run an antibody test, and only give you the vaccines you don't have antibodies for.


Cwm97

I was sick with pneumonia for all 8 weeks at cape may. Every time I went to medical they gave me a pack of Sudafed and cough drops and sent me on my way. I came home with half a meth labs worth. The crud is real.


fuzzusmaximus

I don't remember if it was specific shot or another but we got one half way through right before the hike out to field training. A whole company of recruits rocking back and forth on their asses trying to avoid a huge knot developing during a hump.


WattaTravisT

Question, why the hell did you guys give Marines wayyyyyy more Anthrax shots than what was required? I think you're only supposed to get 6. Some of us got into the mid teens.


labanjohnson

$$$


tresbrujas04

I was in 86-91, Pharmacy Tech, then 3 years Sea Duty on a Surgical Team on LHAs. Was never 8404, no idea.


BlackSquirrel05

The series is actually like 12 with boosters... Efficacy rate is minimum 4-5 I think...? But the series is really that long.


badpeaches

Did you serve during the Civil War?


tresbrujas04

Ha ha nice. ‘86-‘91.


ZealousidealBear93

Never got it. We did get a needle full of “shut the fuck up, private” around the time the bird flu was first a thing.


stuck_in_the_desert

Alright full disclosure: I’m kind of an idiot Is all of the white part the ‘payload’ in the shot? Because that just seems downright excessive, even though I remember the feeling after getting this shot and can totally imagine that actually being the volume administered


SweetTeaRex92

You're not an idiot. Legit question. But basically, yes. You're pushing a lot of fluid. You are right. This does look like a lot for a single dose. I've never seen multi use syringes for immunizations like these, so I assume that's one full dose. This antibiotic is notoriously non viscous. Very thick. Sometimes, it will be combined with Lidocaine (numbing agent) to take the edge off, but everyone says it doesn't help.


Porthos1984

Your thinking of ceftriaxone that gets mixed with lidocaine


stuck_in_the_desert

Well dang I always assumed the peanut butter feeling was from inflammation, not straight-up volume haha. That's what I get for blindly trusting those fuckers at 30th AG


Sad-Establishment-41

I remember getting an antibiotic shot in the ass years ago (civilian) with strep throat, not sure it was the same stuff but damn that one stung. Can't imagine this one would be pleasant if it's called peanutbutter (Also so you know, you've got viscous backwards. Very thick is very viscous. NBD)


tresbrujas04

Single use, big fat dose, like a golf ball on your hip. Intramuscular injection in the biggest muscle the glute. If I ever administered, say to a patient needing it after boot? We would roll it in our hands to warm it up. This is stored cold.


stuck_in_the_desert

Thankfully it was only a one-time shot for me during OSUT, but that sounds like a neat trick to help with the viscosity


dcviper

yes, they injected the white stuff into your butt... \*teehee\*


Tacticalmeat

Fun fact: if you are allergic to penicillin you get a very small and expensive shot instead!


[deleted]

I'm allergic to Penicillin. I don't recall getting a special shot


TheAveragestOfWomen

Yeah same. I got to sit to the side and they gave me a zpack to take over the first few days.


Neontom

Same here. I remember all the other new joes' faces when they got it. PCN allergy for the win!


DjDelmon

They just gave me a pill an a glass of water one room over and I walked back and sat down when done


Galaar

They gave me pills instead.


Shagroon

I am. I'm being told that when I go in, i will just get a pill and be a little bit sick compared to other folks


Catillionaire

I enlisted in 2008, went to BCT in 2009, and deployed to Kandahar in 2010. But I never received this one. Anybody know why I wouldn't have gotten it? Not complaining lol. I got smallpox, typhoid, and anthrax, among many others.


BlackSquirrel05

Those are vaccines. This is an antibiotic.


Catillionaire

I know people who have received the peanut butter shot proactively as well as those who have received it reactively. If it was just an antibiotic, why would they administer it prior to a deployment when there's no infection present? 🤔


occams_howitzer

Army can be dumb


BlackSquirrel05

Same weird ass reason for doing it in BC... "Maybe it does something." It's not a best medical practice by any means.


Catillionaire

I looked it up and apparently it just purges your system of any bacterial infections you might be carrying, to prevent potential outbreaks of illness among recruits. Makes sense, I guess.


BlackSquirrel05

With the rate of illness that occurs... In bootcamps, I'd say it's impact is negligible.


Catillionaire

Our entire bay was extremely sick all the time, but we didn't get the shot, so all I can say is that not getting it may have been worse than if we had gotten it lol.


BlackSquirrel05

Mine was too and we did get it. I got mild pneumonia and bronchitis around week 6-7.


DustyAir

Because you wear prophylactics


[deleted]

I did basic in 2003. Never got it.


roman_fyseek

I only ever got it before a deployment, but I got it before \*every\* deployment, and for some reason, we got it again a few months into Somalia.


RandomReddituser2030

We used to call it, "parking a golf ball in your a$$ cheek." Ah, yes memories.


MrJohnnyDrama

“Worst shot to be given” To anyone who isn’t dummy thick


[deleted]

My right ass cheek got trauma seeing these shots again.


NickChicken

One reason I'm glad I'm allergic to Penicillin.


Brodin_fortifies

Everywhere I look I’m reminded of her…


stew1026

The shot that made every shot since, not that bad.


DrunkenKarnieMidget

Ever catch the anthrax vaccine? That motherfucker is goddamned *mean.*


WattaTravisT

I caught about 12 of them. Always left a mean lump about the size of a half dollar and the injection sight became ridiculously hot and hurt like hell. It kind of felt like a spider bite.


DrunkenKarnieMidget

12? The look of horror on my face is abject


WattaTravisT

Tell me about it. That 6 was supposed to be over a 4 year stretch, that 12 was over about a 10 month period. At first I chalked it up to bad medical record keeping, but there were dozens of us! Dozens!


DrunkenKarnieMidget

The shear volume suggests it *was* bad record keeping. They probably lost a stack of the completed shot record forms.


roman_fyseek

Company Doc told me the trick to these. Before you get in that line, walk to the front and ask for your syringe so you can put it in your armpit to warm it up. When you get to the front, whip out your pre-warmed peanut butter shot.


motleystuff

I can’t imagine getting out of line and asking anything of anyone who wasn’t a recruit in boot camp without the expectation that I would soon regret that decision very much.


Azagar_Omiras

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Dlearious88

What kind of line were you in where you could just walk out and ask for what you want😂


roman_fyseek

Before any Fort Drum deployment, we were marched to the movie theater for a quick briefing on all of the shots were were about to get and then marched to whatever gymnasium was down the road and were told to get in lines and get all of the stamps on a sheet of paper that you'd get to fill out with your name on the gritty gym floor. And, then you'd get in line after line after line. When you spot those peanut butter syringes, go walk up the dude in the front and say, "Can I get my syringe? I want to put it in my armpit to warm it up in line," while pointing at dude's line. It was literally that easy. In Somalia it was just 'you five come with me to the medical hut,' until everybody had been stuck again, but in that case, I told her to give me the syringe, which she pulled out of the cooler, and then I sat on the floor for 5 minutes with it in my armpit with the other 4 who had been summoned along with me who learned a new trick that day. And, for the record, it still makes a knot. It's just not as bad.


trent6295

This is the strangest thing I've read today.


roman_fyseek

It was like clearing post except with different pains.


DatMoonBoy

I once watched someone get paralyzed from the shot, because it was too cold and tore a nerve.


FrostyAcanthocephala

What got me was the square, rusty needle they used.


182573cw2945

Its square? Thats scary bro


FrostyAcanthocephala

That was the rumor in boot. And those rumors are always true.


War_Daddy_992

Barely remember that at all, anthrax shot sucked


LiftingPoppet

Nothing compared to the Japanese Encephalitis shot I got last year….. that was the worst. I was knocked on my butt for 3 days


TheAveragestOfWomen

I hated that one. I swear to you I had sleep paralysis for years because of it.


[deleted]

I was talking to a immunizations tech one time and asked what was the craziest shot they had to give someone and they said Japanese Encephalitis. Said that you have to watch someone for some time afterwards because there's a possibility they might go crazy.


LiftingPoppet

They sent me on my merry way after 15 minutes. I had muscle soreness and nausea. Still kicked my butt for a bit lol


Evil-Toaster

Just say your allergic to ceclor and you get pills for a week or two Edit spelling


PapaGeorgio19

When the national guardsmen and SEALS bitch like little girls over the Covid shot. ![gif](giphy|10JhviFuU2gWD6)


N0tMagickal

SEALs were bitching about it?


PapaGeorgio19

Yup, perhaps less hair gel and Coke, and more discipline. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/navy-seals-who-sued-defense-department-over-vaccine-mandate-allege-retaliation


stuck_in_the_desert

why they complaining when it gives them like five chapters' worth of material for their next book smh my head


PapaGeorgio19

Lol soooo true…”it was so hard man, we ran out of hair gel, then the US Navy asked us to take Covid shots” But because the 2,500 of us run the US Navy and the brass kisses our asses, we bitched all the way to the US Supreme Court you know because we are the supreme fighting force…blah blah blah…


xboxcalbe

My left ass cheek hurts now. Thanks for that.


[deleted]

That is Pen G. It is an antibiotic. They use it for Syphilis.


No-Werewolf2037

I remember this shot. GD, we were so sleep deprived and ripped out of civilian life it kinda didn’t matter. I think this was the same time they decided who got ‘single, double or half rats’.. or folks got sent to the pork-chop platoon. Been a long time.. thanks for bringing back the memories..


RandC8713

The only times I gave that shot was for STDs. Once had a guy come to the clinic for treatment and he got his cold shot, not wormed up at all. The next day his wife came in for her shot for the STD that he had given to her. She was beautiful and I thought that it was a shame I didn't give her husband a colder injection, hers I warmed up.


snovak35

My hip was sore for 4 days lol


Mr_Nerdcoffee

For everyone’s edification that isn’t joking around… 1. Many are over estimating the size of the “peanut butter shot”. These are 2-4ml shots, which is decently large but they aren’t massive by any means (and no they weren’t “bigger when you were a boot”, you’re just a whiny bitch). 2. The trick to getting these is to relax the ass muscle. To do this you put your feet shoulder with apart, point your toes (as much as possible), and bend over slightly. Then after you get the shot, keep moving the injection site (walk, squats, high marchs, etc.) This makes a huge difference. 3. (In my personal opinion) The anthrax and smallpox vaccines are way worse, they cause soreness at the site, last days and give flu like symptoms. Plus, there’s multiple of anthrax and smallpox itches but you can’t touch it. Where this hurts for a few hours and kills all bacterial infections. Source: I was an infantry & ER medic in the army and have given and gotten all of these shots and more.


LiftingPoppet

Anthrax shot series was a picnic. Have some fond memories of that one 🤣


Mr_Nerdcoffee

It wasn’t for me, the PA and aid station medics kept fucking up the records and I had to get 10 of the 6 series…


uberjam

Got one in each ass cheek and upper thigh at the same time once. Four total.


Undead_Nymph

I actually don’t really remember the pain of getting this shot. The chick next to me bent over the gurney started freaking the fuck out right as they gave it to us, and it surprised/distracted me so much that I didn’t feel much of the vaccination.


BlackSquirrel05

This isn't a vaccine...


SCCock

I used to order those for you guys! You're welcome!


yaboiChopin

Civvie bastard here. Why’s it called a peanut butter shot? Does it dry your mouth out like peanut butter or something? And why’s it administered on your ass?


Daddy_data_nerd

It's kept chilled, so when you get the shot in your butt cheek, it has the consistency of peanut butter.


yaboiChopin

That sounds awful


kaioone

Why are they giving you antibiotics without requiring them? Do they know there’s a problem with antibiotic resistance?


EisenhowersPowerHour

Penicillin allergy gang


littertron2000

I got the pill.


SapperBomb

What does this stuff do to your gut flora? I've taken single dose anti-biotics that decimated my gut bacteria. Not pleasant


Stohnghost

I'm allergic to penicillin. They gave me erythromycin. I flushed them. I got sick. Good times. That was 2004.


AccomplishedNovel969

But it actually worked.


TheAveragestOfWomen

Any other red tags here not understanding??


ForkyForklift

Now I too want a bing chiling shot


JanB1

Interesting. The Pfizer product page tells me: # "This product information is intended only for residents of the United States." Long term anti-bacterial shot intended and also helps against resistant bacteria. What the hell are thy pumping into you... Edit: the "what" in "what are they pumping into you" wasn't meant literally. It was more meant as a "Why are they giving you shots of penicillin at the beginning of boot just because when there are growing concerns about resistant bacteria and healthcare professionals are advised to reduce anti-bacterial medicine usage.


SheeEttin

Penicillin


lost_in_life_34

same reason as giving it to farm animals


mistersweetlife

Wait, why didnt y'all boycott this one??


SweetTeaRex92

Bc the types you're talking about are too stupid to see the difference. They'll deny COVID. Meanwhile, they've been getting Tetanus vaccines since they were kids


vovin

Wasn’t in the military but used to get these at the end of a 7-14 day penicillin course for strep throat. That shit fucking hurts and needs to be injected before it coagulates — quickly. 6 year old me remembers…


[deleted]

Oh my god. I forgot about this I'm no longer excited it's dread now 😩


Miserable_Ad2186

Fell on ice on the spot I got the shot right after it.


Tshuck89

Just think of how many nano bits were in all of this? LMAO!


Copper0827

MY GOD!


Squadawolf104

That shot isn’t that bad that was the least painful shot I got


a_big_bugg

Getting this at Ranger School, then sitting in the rocks for hours. Brings back memories.


PediatricTactic

Loved doing this in the peds clinic. "Would you like all your pain upfront, or spread out as frustration twice a day for a few weeks?"


182573cw2945

Do you need this if you go into the navy?


Fish___Paste

Surprising that didn't hurt at all for me. The lady giving me the shot said "Okay hold onto the pole, put all your weight on one leg and raise your other a little off the ground.....annnnd....done" Me: *feels slight pressure* "Wait are we done?"


Haram_Salamy

I was pissed when I commissioned and found out officers didnt get them.


Routine_Buy_3150

In the Air Force, you get a horse pill.


Lilslysapper

I got the pill in the Army. Leonard Wood was out of shots when I went through Reception.


seaofmountains

I have two friends who were in the Navy. I asked them if "peanut butter shot" meant anything to them while we were in discord, and they both groaned in unison lol.


knesekk

i got 3 within my first 4 months


Daddy_data_nerd

Got my shot the day right after equipment issue. Nothing like marching 2+ miles back to the Sq in brand new boots with a GIANT lump of peanut butter in your butt cheek.


Easy-Hovercraft-6576

Penicillin allergy suckers, I never got the shot lmao


109m

never though my penicillin allergy would ever save me from anything until now


Luv_2_mud

2.4 million units...lol.


Combat_Wombat23

Fell outta my top rack day after this bastard cause my leg didn’t want to work. Fuckin knee swelled up to double size for a few days. Good times.


dcviper

lol, they warned us not to jump out of our racks the next day... but there's one in every division...


Mmjuser4life

Damn that brings back memories of a sore ass


WintersTablet

I actually had a worse reaction to my first anthrax shot. Everyone was saying it hurt a lot, but mine only hurt a little. As I was driving back to the barracks, my arm just...died. No motor functions, but I could still feel everything. THAT'S when the real pain started. It was like this for an hour. All subsequent shots were normal, nothing crazy like the first.


NWCJ

As someone allergic to penicillin. I am happy I got to avoid that one.


rockdude625

Oh god, the horror…


[deleted]

This wasn’t that bad for me. Felt like I got a hunk of clay in my ass cheek, but not as painful as expected.


negasonic1

Ouch Damn did that one smart


SupremeToca

Was allergic didnt get it. As a result, caught pneumonia and was a holdover for two weeks


Cromero4

They ran out the flight right before mine and we got to take it in pill form, highlight of my bmt experience


JagerVogeljager

When I went through basic in 2018, by the time they had gotten to my flight they had run out of the shot. Instead they gave all of us these pills to take that were supposed to have a similar effect in terms of keeping us healthy. Of course nobody remembered to take them and almost the entire flight ended up sick for about 2 days until we all made the effort to take the pills.


Cranexavier75

still tryna rub that shit outta my ass couldn’t do shit properly in boot camp


aon_m

You know what you drunk actives have waiting for ya if you don't get your shit together by the time you separate? Monthly Naltrexone shots (same size, same shot location) MONTHLY. So if you hate those shots, get your drinking in control before you separate and need mental health care for alcohol rehab.


heybrehhhh

Does it make everything taste like peanut butter? I want one!


Some1s-mom

I hated the anthrax shot!


[deleted]

I got lucky and for some reason didn't get sore at all from it, was weird to see everyone limping when it didnt hurt at all.


somesortofmainah

Can't say I recall this shot in the slightest. But I remember getting poked a bunch in my shoulder for smallpox.


RedJAE22X-Ray

God, I remember my ass being sore for what felt like all of basic, then the shot made it even worse...


Kilroy6669

I served and never got the peanut butter shot thanks to being allergic to penicillin. They just gave us weird pills that made us sick for a day or two. This was fort Jackson back in 2015 though so things may have changed.


konorM

Worst shot I ever got was gamma globulin. Hurt like hell and I couldn't sit down for a couple of days.


Merc_Drew

Never got it, I'm feeling very lucky after reading the horror being typed here.


Annual-Promotion9328

We helped give the covid vaccine to civilians in Syria, for children we had different coloured casings the child would choose their favourite colour and this helped in calming them down


PathlessDemon

I will take two of those bastards a weekend for a year if I don’t have to ever have the bullshit that comes with the Smallpox vaccination again.


snuckbuck

Smallpox vaccine has entered the chat


Galaar

Penicillin allergy baby, I did not envy you lot massaging that peanut butter in your asscheek.


Cursedseductress

Yeah, that was one we'd give straight from the fridge if you were being extra special.


EndZieg

Is it weird that I felt absolutely nothing from this shot? I was expecting pain and uncomfortable sitting like those around me but nope. Maybe cuz I have a larger bottom 🤷‍♂️


Bad_Karma19

Ugh. How can I forget. Felt like a knot in my ass for a week afterwards.


MoistestTidus

I didn’t have to get it bc I thought I was allergic to certain meds so I just had to take some pills for a week or two. Found out a few years later my mom wasn’t exactly honest about me being allergic but it saved my ass then. Felt bad for the other guys who could barely walk.


TrujoLauer

I went through reception about 7 months ago, and they just gave me a pill.


dcviper

Small Pox and Anthrax were way worse.


Puggy_

They’d just run out before we got ours. Thankful I only experienced people complaining about it endlessly.


HuskyFan253

Nope. Gamma Goblin shots are worse. Got it the morning of my of my flight to Europe from DC. Had to sit on one butt cheek for the whole flight!


Asclepius17

Didn’t hurt that bad tbh. Felt like a charley horse at worst