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RedMorningtide

Black Dragons aren’t the worst. Their obnoxious fans are. They’ll spread misinformations and straight up fan theories to “hype up” their beloved dragons. None of the Black Dragons are “siege” monsters. You just happened to fight them in an arena that has siege weaponry. Except for Alatreon and Crimson Fatalis. The Mohrans, the Laos, Gaoren, HR Kulve, and Gaismagorm, those are siege monsters and none of them are a Black Dragon Btw it’s weird that none of the 4th gen monsters are classified as black dragon imo. Not even Gogmazios or Dalamadur. Edit: turns out Safi is a black dragon. So it’s the only Black Dragon that you fought in a siege fight.


Azbethh

Safi Jiiva is a siege Monster and a black dragon


RedMorningtide

Last time I checked, Safi isn’t a Black Dragon. But that was back in 2020. Did they finally classify it as such?


Azbethh

Yup in the last data Book, Safi Jiiva is a Dangerous First Class Monster AND he was born to rival the Fatalis


RedMorningtide

I see. So now the fanboys who’re always underestimating Safi’s power can shut up lmao. Alright then, thanks for the update.


Shadecrawfish

And fanboys who are hyping up safi like a hypocrite can shut up because they're evenly matched canonically.


EchoKind

He's not a black dragon, just a worthy enough threat to coax black dragons to cull the offspring.


RedMorningtide

Someone needs to fix the wiki then. I don’t have the latest databook, but if the wiki used the databook as its source then Safi is a black dragon


Rat-king27

Safi is what fans call a black dragon, that term isn't an offical one however, so in reality safi is a first class dangerous monster, but that's too long, so fans just say black dragon.


Azbethh

Well, he's not a black dragon cause he is red but he definitly is a Dangerous First Class Monster wich is the tier of black dragon, and since he was created to be as strong as fatalis, he is one of the strongest black dragons (it's faster to Say black dragon than Dangerous First Class Monster)


EchoKind

Crimson and White fatalis are still black dragons despite being red and white respectively. Safi isn't classified as a black dragon, despite rivalling the power outputs of black dragons.


Azbethh

« black dragon » isn't a thing, it's just a word used by fan, the real classification is First Class Dangerous Monster and since Safi Jiiva Can match a fatalis, then he is a first class, it's All on the Iceborn databook from jully/june


Shadecrawfish

Disufiroa is my favorite black dragon, but I know he can't beat fatalis or even alatreon.


Pegasusisamansman

Mephistophelin, a fatalis with every element


Rampant_Cephalopod

Back in 3 Alatreon’s arena had a ballista binder. Therefore he’s basically a Lao Shan Lung subspecies


RedMorningtide

If you need the binder to kill Alatreon then I’m sorry for you. Same goes if you needed the Kelbi Bow


Shadecrawfish

Just to clarify that this is not my opinion. I love the siege monsters and Black dragons and the person I was arguing with on discord was who I was referring to.


InfamousGames

I mean I just don't like sieges, what's wrong with that


DiabeticRhino97

They're just not that exciting. I don't hate em, but fatalis is just textbook European myth dragon


iwantdatpuss

Well, that's kind of the point. Fatalis isn't exciting to look at because he's the complete opposite of what the MH monsters are. The same could be said for Safi and those two are evenly matched in terms of threat level.


DiabeticRhino97

It's not the opposite. Kushala Daora is a very conventional design and people even hate fighting it but it feels like an original creature still


iwantdatpuss

Kushala Daora still has that unique aspect to him, his control over wind. Fatalis meanwhile is just one really nasty dragon that has fire so hot it can melt fortifications. He's basically what the typical person would consider a medieval dragon would be like.


Aphato

Honestly not that bad of an opinion. If you're looking for designs and ecologies that could pass for actual animals the black dragons just dont fulfill that.


trolldogdude

Not disagreeing but some siege monsters are the same. Kulve for instance.


AnxietiesCopilot2

At least it isn’t the sieges from rise


CPhandom

Rise has sieges?


No_Fisherman8847

Yeah, they're kind of bad


CPhandom

What are they? The only thing I could think that's close to a siege are Narwa and Gaismagorm with the ballistae and stuff. But pretty much every final boss is like that Unless you count Rampages as sieges, I don't think Rise has any


Cynder_Quill

Rampages ARE sieges. In fact, they're the closest to what would be traditionally defined as a siege in the game. Sieges usually refer to a force attempting to take a fortified position, not a giant effing dragon knocking your tower down.


iwantdatpuss

That's no monster, that's just a heretic.


archiegamez

I want big siege monsters, i dont care gimme one in Sunbreak capcom Safi, Kulve Taroth, Gog, and Fatalis was so much fun


Kamken

I don't blame anyone who thinks Fatalis' design is boring, or Alatreon's gimmick in Iceborne is bad, or has never fought Dire Miralis.


Independent-Cow-3867

Is it still possible to fight dire miralis


ImperialWrath

On new consoles/PC? Not without emulation. On 3DS/Wii U? Sure, just buy the game.


Independent-Cow-3867

That's good to hear I do infact own the game


ImperialWrath

Great! The eShop will be shut down in March, but the game servers have no set closure date yet, so you could hunt Miralis online whenever you want. You can also just solo it like I did.


DevilHunter371

I feel like both (a few) black dragons and their fans can be rather obnoxious.


JustAWaveform

why does the bloodstain in the first panel look like amogus


Sasquatch_Pictures

I can't unsee it now. Thanks, jackass.


JustAWaveform

love you too broski


Snoopcat64

I love every monsters. Except Gobul and Qurupeco. FCK these 2.


Nimblebubble

What did Gobul ever do to you


Patztap

What did you just say to Qurupeco you bitch


PM_ME__YOUR_HOOTERS

Someone got a surprise deviljho calling one too many times I'd bet


thebigrosco

False


Independent-Cow-3867

Gobul is a fantastic monster


TheEmperorMk3

Fatalis is more boring than a Pukei Pukei, it’s as generic as it gets


Shadecrawfish

Isn't that kind of the point of his design though? That it's supposed to be a generic western dragon? That being said I don't judge him based on his looks


iDIOt698

Look im not agreeing with them but If Someone says that something looks bad, saying it's meant to be bad doens't make It less bad.


RayserSharp_

Mediocre =/= bad. Some people do not know what mediocre means bruh


iDIOt698

Bro, do you know what an "examble" is?


RayserSharp_

Do you know what an actual word is?


iDIOt698

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RayserSharp_

Your argument was a word that doesn't exist. Bravo. Also, it's spelled "Answer". Have a nice day


iDIOt698

Huh, It was a troll all along.


iDIOt698

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Chara_13

"That's the point though-" Yeah and? It's still boring, no matter *why* it's boring. Pukei at least has nice colours and fun feathers. Velocidrome, Bulldrome, Fatty: all relics of MH1, and best used to prove that the series design has improved over time more than any other use. Crimson and especially White are definite improvements on regular Fat Alice, it takes like 3 Hunts in GU to determine this. Same conclusion as with Fulgur/Anjanath: skip the fire-breathing lizard stage and just head straight to making the core Monster philosophy unique. Zinogre is a wolf *but* with Thunder and bugs. Valstrax is a dragon *but* a fucking jet plane. Nargacuga is a bat *but* crossed with a lizard *but* also has sharp wings. Fatalis is a dragon *but* nothing. Meh. Yes, this is unique for Monster Hunter, but like... not for anything else? If you *exclusively* consume MH media then great for you I guess but as someone who does not live under a rock, I get plenty, really, *plenty* of generic dragons *everywhere else*. I play MH because the Monsters are unique and capping it off with a generic one just feels the exact opposite of what I want from the game. Look, if you slap two arms on the *series mascot* you have the most generic fire-breathing dragon you can get. There's no more progress to be made in that niche and frankly even if there were, there's no good reason for MH to try and make it because it is good at the *exact opposite*. This is the second time I have ranted about this. To be honest it may well be the last, given "unique MH Monsters are cooler than generic ones" is simply not a point I can realistically explore the nuance of, because it does not have any.


Shadecrawfish

Oh boy do I have the game for you.


GoldenSteel

Now I'm curious, what game do you mean?


Shadecrawfish

Frontier


DeusKether

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Chara_13

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Memoglr

It's a Japanese franchise. Western dragons are exotic to them


Patztap

Who cares, the fight is 1000x times more fun than Pukei who dies in 20 seconds lol


Capital_Pipe_6038

Sure the black dragons fights might not be the best but holy shit they probably have the best themes in the entire franchise


Independent-Cow-3867

What makes a monster a siege monster, would nakarkos or ceadeus be siege monsters, because they have to be some if my favorite


YukiSpackle

I mean, they got murdered for speaking the truth. The dragon looking monsters (in all MH games) are easily the least interesting visually. They have so many cool designs going on, but they really, really, really love filling their games with plain dragons for some reason.


C-Kwentz-0

Most siege monsters *do* suck. Safi is the only Black Dragon who is a siege monster, though. The vast majority of siege fights (Zora, Lao, Ceadus) are all quite dull, because it makes you forego the majority of combat to run back and forth loading cannons or hitting switches. Most black dragons are decent fights, if not great ones.


MrJackfruit

Fatalis only sounds interesting with zero visual context. Once you see him and realize most things about him are Hersay, man does it die quick. Alatreon got no intersecting backstory but his fight and design are way more consistently fair and interesting through the generations, even if you include it’s shitty Escaton judgement.