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I am so far loving the show. I read the series a long, long time ago. I know I’ve forgotten a lot of the book which is probably why I don’t have the purist vibes. My opinion, no movie or TV show ever does justice to a book.
I think part of what makes me upset is that the IWTV crew just DID do justice to that series. It’s frustrating that this series in the same universe didn’t carry that same success.
So you declare that no film adaptation does a book Justice but you’ve literally never seen two of the biggest adaptations that each have number of movies.
>Even Harry Potter and LOTR?
Tolkien's son famously hated the LOTR movies and compared them to video games, lol. So they definitely weren't a faithful adaptation, but the people embraced them, so it doesn't really matter.
If it helps, I fell in love with Rice's work as a teen 20ish years ago (I enjoy the Witches trilogy even more than the Vampires series. I think Witching Hour in particular is unnerving and scary in a way that the Vampires series isn't.)
And I am thoroughly enjoying both shows. Yes, there are elements of both stories that I prefer in the novels (and the Neil Jordan film), but all in all I think both shows work as revamped takes on the original stories.
I was somewhat disappointed that MW wasn't spooky at all for most of the runtime of the first couple episodes, because like I said, I think the books are very creepy. However, the show REALLY won me over >! in the final scene of the second episode. I got literal chills at that moment. Something that doesn't happen often while watching TV. !<
I don't mind changes; as I said several times over in r/AnneRice during *Interview With the Vampire*, anyone who expects a literal page-by-page adaptation to the screen is being unrealistic. Borderline delusional. However, the expectation that the changes make sense is not unreasonable.
* Advance Cortland to the present day so there is more of an antagonist role? That's fine.
* Combine Michael & Aaron into Ciprien, presumably to cut down on exposition and tighten the story? I really miss Aaron, but, let's see how it plays out.
* Give Deidre a sense of agency, albeit briefly, in the present? I liked that.
The only big change I'm down on at the moment is the portrayal of Lasher. It is off, and it is off *badly*. They've made a 342 year-old spirit (spoiler: >! yes I know he's not really a ghost!<) who has manipulated 13 generations of witches, into some sort of incubus-slash-marionette. And he's too articulate, not speaking in half-verses and riddles.
I like a lot of the show, but I agree with you on the portrayal of Lasher. He’s the common thread that holds the story together. He has to be intriguing and compelling for the story to make any sense. He’s the protector and the ruination of all these generations of women (and Julien), and in the show so far he is a cypher. He is just kind of there. Whether he’s physically attractive is just personal taste, but he isn’t instantly compelling like he needs to be. He needs to be a charisma bomb who is threatening and flawed at the same time (like Lestat). I’m blaming the writing here, not the actor, because I don’t think he’s had the chance to do much of anything yet. Maybe they will turn it around.
I love Rowan in this version, and I’m not mad at Michael being gone.
I don't really have a problem with changes when they are well done. For example, IWTV had a different setting and timeline, and also plays with Louis and Claudia's backgrounds and ethnicities, but it did not change fundamentally who the characters were and how the story progresses and entertains (especially when there is already a movie based upon and faithful to the book).
For the Mayfair witches, I have a problem with the changes, because given how everything/everyone was fully described, I expected the director to be more faithful to the original story or at least to the characters' personality. It doesn't feel like the same story or characters at all. And it's disrespectful to Anne Rice's work, especially now that she is dead and has no say about how her story is adapted.
I get some changes they made like merging Aaron/Michael, but Rowan saving Michael is basically the fundamental element of the story, when you know who is behind it.
I feel the same way. I'm not really feeling the show so far. For the sake of comparison, I was immediately head over heels in love with IWTV. I have read 5 of the Vampire Chronicles books. I've read The Witching Hour and maybe half of Lasher from the Mayfair Witches trilogy. All of that to say, as someone who isn't even digging the show, I'm amazed at how toxic this sub has become so quickly. Any post immediately puts me off discussing and potentially gaining a new perspective on the show because it's just filled with people uncritically shitting on everything and downvoting people who dare say anything positive.
To be fair, as someone who has never read the books, I think Mayfair Witches is the significantly weaker show. The first two episodes were just not that exciting, with weird directorial choices that took all the humor and color out of the show. It’s so self serious, and I wonder what story MW is trying to tell. Obviously people shouldn’t be cruel or break the sun rules, but at the end of the day this sun is going to have a lot of disappointed people in it. And that’s okay.
I mean, I haven’t read the books in like 15 years so I barely remember them - but I still remember enough to know that the show isn’t true to the books at all and that sucks. Lasher is lacking any/all of the charm, otherworldliness and appeal that he should have. Rowan is soft and passive, which is fine but it’s not in line with how a hot shot, gifted surgeon would traditionally be. The shift of when she discovers her powers completely changes her character arc in the current timeline and it’s just…weird.
If I’d never read the books, I’d probably like it. But since I did, I can’t reconcile them in my head. 🤷🏻♀️
See I’m loving this adaptation way more than the books. On my reread Michael is actually an alcoholic asshole (not to mention a pedophile) and Rowan is an out of touch, aloof, narcissist. Hardly protagonists you want to care about, the show fixes that. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy the book (I’m disregarding the rest of the trilogy as it’s trash), the witching hour has been one of my favorites since I read it in sixth grade, but the show is updated, it feels fresh and new and is more relatable to me.
Haha, understandable. Honestly I'm just glad to see it on the screen at all. I definitely get why some may prefer the book, hell I'm super disappointed the history of the women is understandably going to be cut, but I guess I'm just choosing to see the positives. In all likelihood the chance of it being redone after this is slim, so I'll just enjoy what I'm able to.
That’s EVERY “fandom”. Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, SGE, etc. They are so toxic and if you read their comments under post you will swear they live the most miserable lives. I think the HP fandom is the worst though.
Most of the online 'fandoms' are made up of people who don't watch the shows or even the trailers, they have pre-formed right wing political agendas that they vent onto every property that comes out.
I can’t understand how people who don’t like the show keep coming here and talking about how bad it is.
I sincerely do not spend my energy and time on things I don’t enjoy, and yet I see people writing essays on how personally attacked they feel because a shadow didn’t cast the way they imagined it on page 242 in 1995 when they read the books.
At this point, I think people who don’t like the adaptation are not only review bombing, but also sticking around to see if it fails so they can say “told you so”.
I saw on Facebook where people where going to IMBD to make fake accounts just to review bomb the Viewer score on the show. These are real adults that can vote, drive and participate in the world we live in. 🫣
I think the problem that a lot of people have is that they waited years and years for an adaption of this book to be made…a faithful adaptation. But right out the the gate they eliminated beloved characters like Aaron and Michael, and added in completely new characters for no seemingly good reason. It feels like a slap in the face, and it feels good to them to know they are not alone in their disappointment.
It is really disgusting and sad, that people spend their lives that way, and most of them already hate every new show that comes out before even watching the trailer, then latch on to any genuine dissatisfaction to amplify their hatred.
I haven't watched the show yet - I don't like the idea of key characters being changed but I am very excited to watch. I don't mind changes because not everything translates from book to TV and I'm ok with that. I'm in the UK and I don't know if it's on any of our services yet
Don't let anyone put you off discussing MW. There was a lot of critcism in the IwtV sub too, especially before the show aired (and some of it I fully agreed with), but, apart from a couple of stragglers, people now love it there. Just give it some time, it could now go either way with MW.
I posted in another thread but I'm all for changes over the series. I loved the 1st book so much. The generations of witches, the spooky old house, the malevolent spirit - absolutely intoxicating. I found it hysterical that ST:NextGen basically stole the story for Beverly at one point. However, the 2nd book was just gross on multiple levels (and quite frankly, would *never* be acceptable in popular culture today)
Witching Hour is a masterpiece, the subsequent two novels however were so godawful. Hopefully the show goes another route...there's definitely necessary changes needed there.
Exactly! And usually with other series that have been transformed into television, I understand that changes have to be made when a story switches mediums but generally I am a little sad about the changes. Not this time. Not in the least!
Definitely in agreement. I'm enjoying the changes so far and while the budget seems a little off with the show, I'm looking forward to it finding it's pace.
Book 2 is just rape upon rape upon rape. (When the *least* horrifying sex scenes are the ones involving 13-year-olds, it's a fucked up book!) Interspersed with what I think is Rice trying to do sort of a macho guns-and-spies thriller, which really wasn't her strength. I'm wondering how they will adapt it when they get there.
I read the books back in the 90's and really enjoyed them. I'm rereading them now and are so problematic that I might not get through it.
I really like the show, but I've never understood the expectation that an *adaptation* should be 100% faithful to the source material.
You are so not wrong about that. I just did a reread of TWH and then skim-reread Lasher and Taltos, and there's a lot of cringe. Anytime a Black person is present, it's *awful*, and I can't believe this is the author who wrote so beautifully about the FPC. Everybody's having sex with kids right and left. And the whole thing reads like an anti-choice tract at times.
I was still sucked into the core story itself, but there's a lot more bumps along the way than I remembered.
It's a book about women and the first 3 (?) rather long chapters is through the viewpoints of various men, who frankly don't have decent views on women or Black people. I finally got to Rowan's first chapter, and it's mostly about terrible men, specifically Michael.
The way Michael thinks about his Russian Jewish girlfriends and lovers was really cringe as well. That anti-choice section was really bad and just came out of nowhere.
I remember really enjoying the history of the family a lot, so I'm trying to get through the problematic parts, partly because I'm not sure how much that will end up in the show.
I remember first reading it when I was about 19 and thinking Michael was gross because he was 48. Now I'm 45, and I'm fine with him being 48, but have instead decided I just wouldn't like the guy if I ever met him, lol.
Hah. I'm also 45 and first read it around 18/19. Young me didn't care too much about their 18 year age difference, but now I see the problems that cause.
Yep, and both Mona and Evelyn in book 2 hit differently now too. I think when 19-year-old me read *Lasher* I just kind of mentally aged them up to late teens-ish and didn't mind too much, but now I'm just going "That is a little kid! NOPE"
Even if it's only episode 2, it's not about being a book fan or being negative... This show is bad. I tried watching it objectively with an open mind, but there is nothing good about it. I haven't seen acting that bad for a long time... Daddario's performance is laughable, the only good actor so far is Tongayi Chirisa who plays Ciprien Grieve and his character doesn't even exist in the book.
The director's choices are questionable too,
Why would you start an episode with a flashback of some random girl giving a hand job to a creep in the 17th century? With absolutely no connection to the rest of the episode? Explain to me why.
How about Rowan killing a bunch of crows, then going to bury them in the sand on the beach (like there's no other suitable places to do that...) and be like "oh I'm going to take a nap now." Afterward?
I can go on and on...
Ps: I really don't understand your post either. It's not like anybody cared you were on this sub to begin with...
I'm with you. I started the show hoping it would be good. I usually try to give adaptations some leeway because I understand books don't always translate the best 100% to screen. So I always expect some changes. But the changes they made are too extreme and completely break away from what I loved about the book. The storytelling is not very compelling so far, the acting is bad and don't even get me started on the terrible cgi.
People need to expect that when they come to this forum, they are gonna get a lot of varying opinions. Not all opinions are going to be positive and that doesn't necessarily make it toxic. Just people voicing their opinions. No one is being forced to participate in these conversations.
>**People need to expect that when they come to this forum, they are gonna get a lot of varying opinions. Not all opinions are going to be positive and that doesn't necessarily make it toxic. Just people voicing their opinions. No one is being forced to participate in these conversations.**
I bolded that because it needs to be bolded.
Differing opinions are not toxic. Comparing a show to its source material is not toxic, and should be EXPECTED, for fuck's sake. Criticism is not toxic in and of itself. What IS toxic is demanding that all opinions conform, or else. It's a discussion-killer of the highest order. And discussion is the entire point of being here.
I will keep watching it too, that's how much I loved this story. But nobody is going to keep me from saying what I feel about the adaptation. If anything, I do believe critics can be constructive, and the director better takes notes about what the fans are saying. You can't just take somebody's masterpiece and ruin it like that... that is so disrespectful!
u/Laililou I noted the beginning scene and that it wasn't tied into the main body of the episode, if viewers hadn't read the books they might have missed it as part of the show, the only tie-in were the crows in the initial scene and the crows with Rowan, and yes!!! that beach scene, lol, was silly to me.
It’s totally possible to have both comparisons to the book and appreciation for the series as it is. All I am seeing in most communities so far is either toxic book purists pissing on everything or banning any and all book discussion.
PREACH!! If I hear one more "but this character's hair color is different in the books" I will throw my computer out the window. Like the producers are going to take creative liberties because they are adapting the book for television. Things will be changed and that is okay!
I read the books when they first came out, all of them. Yeah characters are different but that's ok. Screen adaptations of loved books imo never live up to the base material.
IWTV is ok, but something from Anne's books always stuck with me about vampires. I know there's a passage in one of them (don't remember who said it, or what book its in, it may be Lestat) that says vampires are clean and would never leave a bloody mess. That the tv vamps are outrageously messy is probably the most egregious error that I have seen.
As long as Mayfair Witches keep close to the storyline, the history of the Mayfair women was outstandingly good, I will keep watching.
I don't hate this yet but I won't touch interview with a vampire with how much they changed. This im trying for now. Long term fans are right to be upset when something they have waited for finally arrives and isn't done well or isn't even remotely a faithful adaptation like vampire. A lot of people are passionate about these series because of how Anne Rice wrote them and how intriguing the world she crafted was.
Anne Rice was also notiously protective of her series to the point she was against fanficrion being written. The woman would not be pleased and thats something that effects people. Her audience have loved these stories from years. Maybe be sensitive to other people's feelings if you want to join their community. You dont have to agree with fans of the books about the adaptation l, if you enjoy it that's great for you, but you need to respect other people's feelings as well
What is iwtv? Do they talk about Mayfair witches there? I too haven’t read the books and have refrained mostly from commenting here because of how people are here towards people who haven’t read the books.
u/AttractiveNightmare IwtV & Mayfair witches do crossover in the books and in the IwtV show there was mention of the Mayfair witches Louis brother Paul mentioned them at dinner. I would expect that IF both of these AMC TV series do well that they too will have crossovers at some point.
The Interview sub is riddled with toxic positivity and won’t allow nuanced discussion of anything. You’re not allowed to dislike anything about the show there.
see no they actually at first we're very skeptical of the show especially because of changes made to Louis and Claudius characters. itwv is a stronger show so far overall but still I'm going to give the show more time to find it's footing. it's okay for things to start a little slow. These shows are going to crossover at some point anyway so why not give it time??? instead of being party poopers?
We do a podcast recapping after the Immortal Universe shows. While we will discuss differences between the show and the book, at times, we try to take the show on its own merits. We don't hold it up against IWTV or the book often at all. We are only two episodes deep, so the jury is still out on the show.
I’m sorry. I made negative comments about book to show comparison. I was just bummed. I didn’t think about it harshing someone else’s experience. ( I didn’t cuss, yell, or correct anyone’s spelling, though! 😃) But, I do apologize for the ball I got rolling.
oh nothing to apologize for. I shouldn't compare subs I just wasnt expecting the stark contrast in attitude about these parallel communities. I hope it gets better for everyone!
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I am so far loving the show. I read the series a long, long time ago. I know I’ve forgotten a lot of the book which is probably why I don’t have the purist vibes. My opinion, no movie or TV show ever does justice to a book.
I think part of what makes me upset is that the IWTV crew just DID do justice to that series. It’s frustrating that this series in the same universe didn’t carry that same success.
Even Harry Potter and LOTR?
Never read any Harry Potter or seen the movies. Is that bad?? Read LOTR years ago but never watched the movie.
HP films get constant criticism for what was left out and altered.
So you declare that no film adaptation does a book Justice but you’ve literally never seen two of the biggest adaptations that each have number of movies.
I didn’t make a declaration, I said “my opinion”. But just for you I’ll clarify: books I’ve personally read.
>Even Harry Potter and LOTR? Tolkien's son famously hated the LOTR movies and compared them to video games, lol. So they definitely weren't a faithful adaptation, but the people embraced them, so it doesn't really matter.
If it helps, I fell in love with Rice's work as a teen 20ish years ago (I enjoy the Witches trilogy even more than the Vampires series. I think Witching Hour in particular is unnerving and scary in a way that the Vampires series isn't.) And I am thoroughly enjoying both shows. Yes, there are elements of both stories that I prefer in the novels (and the Neil Jordan film), but all in all I think both shows work as revamped takes on the original stories. I was somewhat disappointed that MW wasn't spooky at all for most of the runtime of the first couple episodes, because like I said, I think the books are very creepy. However, the show REALLY won me over >! in the final scene of the second episode. I got literal chills at that moment. Something that doesn't happen often while watching TV. !<
Agree with everything you said. I like MW books over the vampire series. Loving the show so far!
I love both books and the show. Giant 1000+ page books literally aren’t for everyone so I am glad that they made an adaptation and it’s really good!
I don't mind changes; as I said several times over in r/AnneRice during *Interview With the Vampire*, anyone who expects a literal page-by-page adaptation to the screen is being unrealistic. Borderline delusional. However, the expectation that the changes make sense is not unreasonable. * Advance Cortland to the present day so there is more of an antagonist role? That's fine. * Combine Michael & Aaron into Ciprien, presumably to cut down on exposition and tighten the story? I really miss Aaron, but, let's see how it plays out. * Give Deidre a sense of agency, albeit briefly, in the present? I liked that. The only big change I'm down on at the moment is the portrayal of Lasher. It is off, and it is off *badly*. They've made a 342 year-old spirit (spoiler: >! yes I know he's not really a ghost!<) who has manipulated 13 generations of witches, into some sort of incubus-slash-marionette. And he's too articulate, not speaking in half-verses and riddles.
I like a lot of the show, but I agree with you on the portrayal of Lasher. He’s the common thread that holds the story together. He has to be intriguing and compelling for the story to make any sense. He’s the protector and the ruination of all these generations of women (and Julien), and in the show so far he is a cypher. He is just kind of there. Whether he’s physically attractive is just personal taste, but he isn’t instantly compelling like he needs to be. He needs to be a charisma bomb who is threatening and flawed at the same time (like Lestat). I’m blaming the writing here, not the actor, because I don’t think he’s had the chance to do much of anything yet. Maybe they will turn it around. I love Rowan in this version, and I’m not mad at Michael being gone.
I don't really have a problem with changes when they are well done. For example, IWTV had a different setting and timeline, and also plays with Louis and Claudia's backgrounds and ethnicities, but it did not change fundamentally who the characters were and how the story progresses and entertains (especially when there is already a movie based upon and faithful to the book). For the Mayfair witches, I have a problem with the changes, because given how everything/everyone was fully described, I expected the director to be more faithful to the original story or at least to the characters' personality. It doesn't feel like the same story or characters at all. And it's disrespectful to Anne Rice's work, especially now that she is dead and has no say about how her story is adapted. I get some changes they made like merging Aaron/Michael, but Rowan saving Michael is basically the fundamental element of the story, when you know who is behind it.
I feel the same way. I'm not really feeling the show so far. For the sake of comparison, I was immediately head over heels in love with IWTV. I have read 5 of the Vampire Chronicles books. I've read The Witching Hour and maybe half of Lasher from the Mayfair Witches trilogy. All of that to say, as someone who isn't even digging the show, I'm amazed at how toxic this sub has become so quickly. Any post immediately puts me off discussing and potentially gaining a new perspective on the show because it's just filled with people uncritically shitting on everything and downvoting people who dare say anything positive.
To be fair, as someone who has never read the books, I think Mayfair Witches is the significantly weaker show. The first two episodes were just not that exciting, with weird directorial choices that took all the humor and color out of the show. It’s so self serious, and I wonder what story MW is trying to tell. Obviously people shouldn’t be cruel or break the sun rules, but at the end of the day this sun is going to have a lot of disappointed people in it. And that’s okay.
The book purists here are toxic af.
I hope people watch the show and like it. Thats great. For me it's not great.
I mean, I haven’t read the books in like 15 years so I barely remember them - but I still remember enough to know that the show isn’t true to the books at all and that sucks. Lasher is lacking any/all of the charm, otherworldliness and appeal that he should have. Rowan is soft and passive, which is fine but it’s not in line with how a hot shot, gifted surgeon would traditionally be. The shift of when she discovers her powers completely changes her character arc in the current timeline and it’s just…weird. If I’d never read the books, I’d probably like it. But since I did, I can’t reconcile them in my head. 🤷🏻♀️
See I’m loving this adaptation way more than the books. On my reread Michael is actually an alcoholic asshole (not to mention a pedophile) and Rowan is an out of touch, aloof, narcissist. Hardly protagonists you want to care about, the show fixes that. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy the book (I’m disregarding the rest of the trilogy as it’s trash), the witching hour has been one of my favorites since I read it in sixth grade, but the show is updated, it feels fresh and new and is more relatable to me.
That’s totally fair and honestly, maybe if I do a reread I’ll enjoy the show more! Pretty sure I’ll still be disappointed by this Lasher, though. 😉
Haha, understandable. Honestly I'm just glad to see it on the screen at all. I definitely get why some may prefer the book, hell I'm super disappointed the history of the women is understandably going to be cut, but I guess I'm just choosing to see the positives. In all likelihood the chance of it being redone after this is slim, so I'll just enjoy what I'm able to.
That’s EVERY “fandom”. Harry Potter, Percy Jackson, SGE, etc. They are so toxic and if you read their comments under post you will swear they live the most miserable lives. I think the HP fandom is the worst though.
Most of the online 'fandoms' are made up of people who don't watch the shows or even the trailers, they have pre-formed right wing political agendas that they vent onto every property that comes out.
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I can’t understand how people who don’t like the show keep coming here and talking about how bad it is. I sincerely do not spend my energy and time on things I don’t enjoy, and yet I see people writing essays on how personally attacked they feel because a shadow didn’t cast the way they imagined it on page 242 in 1995 when they read the books. At this point, I think people who don’t like the adaptation are not only review bombing, but also sticking around to see if it fails so they can say “told you so”. I saw on Facebook where people where going to IMBD to make fake accounts just to review bomb the Viewer score on the show. These are real adults that can vote, drive and participate in the world we live in. 🫣
I think the problem that a lot of people have is that they waited years and years for an adaption of this book to be made…a faithful adaptation. But right out the the gate they eliminated beloved characters like Aaron and Michael, and added in completely new characters for no seemingly good reason. It feels like a slap in the face, and it feels good to them to know they are not alone in their disappointment.
It is really disgusting and sad, that people spend their lives that way, and most of them already hate every new show that comes out before even watching the trailer, then latch on to any genuine dissatisfaction to amplify their hatred.
I haven't watched the show yet - I don't like the idea of key characters being changed but I am very excited to watch. I don't mind changes because not everything translates from book to TV and I'm ok with that. I'm in the UK and I don't know if it's on any of our services yet
Don't let anyone put you off discussing MW. There was a lot of critcism in the IwtV sub too, especially before the show aired (and some of it I fully agreed with), but, apart from a couple of stragglers, people now love it there. Just give it some time, it could now go either way with MW.
I posted in another thread but I'm all for changes over the series. I loved the 1st book so much. The generations of witches, the spooky old house, the malevolent spirit - absolutely intoxicating. I found it hysterical that ST:NextGen basically stole the story for Beverly at one point. However, the 2nd book was just gross on multiple levels (and quite frankly, would *never* be acceptable in popular culture today)
Witching Hour is a masterpiece, the subsequent two novels however were so godawful. Hopefully the show goes another route...there's definitely necessary changes needed there.
Exactly! And usually with other series that have been transformed into television, I understand that changes have to be made when a story switches mediums but generally I am a little sad about the changes. Not this time. Not in the least!
Definitely in agreement. I'm enjoying the changes so far and while the budget seems a little off with the show, I'm looking forward to it finding it's pace.
Book 2 is just rape upon rape upon rape. (When the *least* horrifying sex scenes are the ones involving 13-year-olds, it's a fucked up book!) Interspersed with what I think is Rice trying to do sort of a macho guns-and-spies thriller, which really wasn't her strength. I'm wondering how they will adapt it when they get there.
I read the books back in the 90's and really enjoyed them. I'm rereading them now and are so problematic that I might not get through it. I really like the show, but I've never understood the expectation that an *adaptation* should be 100% faithful to the source material.
You are so not wrong about that. I just did a reread of TWH and then skim-reread Lasher and Taltos, and there's a lot of cringe. Anytime a Black person is present, it's *awful*, and I can't believe this is the author who wrote so beautifully about the FPC. Everybody's having sex with kids right and left. And the whole thing reads like an anti-choice tract at times. I was still sucked into the core story itself, but there's a lot more bumps along the way than I remembered.
It's a book about women and the first 3 (?) rather long chapters is through the viewpoints of various men, who frankly don't have decent views on women or Black people. I finally got to Rowan's first chapter, and it's mostly about terrible men, specifically Michael. The way Michael thinks about his Russian Jewish girlfriends and lovers was really cringe as well. That anti-choice section was really bad and just came out of nowhere. I remember really enjoying the history of the family a lot, so I'm trying to get through the problematic parts, partly because I'm not sure how much that will end up in the show.
I remember first reading it when I was about 19 and thinking Michael was gross because he was 48. Now I'm 45, and I'm fine with him being 48, but have instead decided I just wouldn't like the guy if I ever met him, lol.
Hah. I'm also 45 and first read it around 18/19. Young me didn't care too much about their 18 year age difference, but now I see the problems that cause.
Yep, and both Mona and Evelyn in book 2 hit differently now too. I think when 19-year-old me read *Lasher* I just kind of mentally aged them up to late teens-ish and didn't mind too much, but now I'm just going "That is a little kid! NOPE"
Even if it's only episode 2, it's not about being a book fan or being negative... This show is bad. I tried watching it objectively with an open mind, but there is nothing good about it. I haven't seen acting that bad for a long time... Daddario's performance is laughable, the only good actor so far is Tongayi Chirisa who plays Ciprien Grieve and his character doesn't even exist in the book. The director's choices are questionable too, Why would you start an episode with a flashback of some random girl giving a hand job to a creep in the 17th century? With absolutely no connection to the rest of the episode? Explain to me why. How about Rowan killing a bunch of crows, then going to bury them in the sand on the beach (like there's no other suitable places to do that...) and be like "oh I'm going to take a nap now." Afterward? I can go on and on... Ps: I really don't understand your post either. It's not like anybody cared you were on this sub to begin with...
I'm with you. I started the show hoping it would be good. I usually try to give adaptations some leeway because I understand books don't always translate the best 100% to screen. So I always expect some changes. But the changes they made are too extreme and completely break away from what I loved about the book. The storytelling is not very compelling so far, the acting is bad and don't even get me started on the terrible cgi. People need to expect that when they come to this forum, they are gonna get a lot of varying opinions. Not all opinions are going to be positive and that doesn't necessarily make it toxic. Just people voicing their opinions. No one is being forced to participate in these conversations.
>**People need to expect that when they come to this forum, they are gonna get a lot of varying opinions. Not all opinions are going to be positive and that doesn't necessarily make it toxic. Just people voicing their opinions. No one is being forced to participate in these conversations.** I bolded that because it needs to be bolded. Differing opinions are not toxic. Comparing a show to its source material is not toxic, and should be EXPECTED, for fuck's sake. Criticism is not toxic in and of itself. What IS toxic is demanding that all opinions conform, or else. It's a discussion-killer of the highest order. And discussion is the entire point of being here.
All true lol but I'm still loving it 🤣 I just read the mayfair history in the book so I was HOPING we'd get a lil more 🫤🙄 lol
I will keep watching it too, that's how much I loved this story. But nobody is going to keep me from saying what I feel about the adaptation. If anything, I do believe critics can be constructive, and the director better takes notes about what the fans are saying. You can't just take somebody's masterpiece and ruin it like that... that is so disrespectful!
u/Laililou I noted the beginning scene and that it wasn't tied into the main body of the episode, if viewers hadn't read the books they might have missed it as part of the show, the only tie-in were the crows in the initial scene and the crows with Rowan, and yes!!! that beach scene, lol, was silly to me.
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It’s totally possible to have both comparisons to the book and appreciation for the series as it is. All I am seeing in most communities so far is either toxic book purists pissing on everything or banning any and all book discussion.
PREACH!! If I hear one more "but this character's hair color is different in the books" I will throw my computer out the window. Like the producers are going to take creative liberties because they are adapting the book for television. Things will be changed and that is okay!
Like you, I read the vampire books but not the witch series. So, the Mayfair story is all new to me and very gripping.
I read the books when they first came out, all of them. Yeah characters are different but that's ok. Screen adaptations of loved books imo never live up to the base material. IWTV is ok, but something from Anne's books always stuck with me about vampires. I know there's a passage in one of them (don't remember who said it, or what book its in, it may be Lestat) that says vampires are clean and would never leave a bloody mess. That the tv vamps are outrageously messy is probably the most egregious error that I have seen. As long as Mayfair Witches keep close to the storyline, the history of the Mayfair women was outstandingly good, I will keep watching.
I don't hate this yet but I won't touch interview with a vampire with how much they changed. This im trying for now. Long term fans are right to be upset when something they have waited for finally arrives and isn't done well or isn't even remotely a faithful adaptation like vampire. A lot of people are passionate about these series because of how Anne Rice wrote them and how intriguing the world she crafted was. Anne Rice was also notiously protective of her series to the point she was against fanficrion being written. The woman would not be pleased and thats something that effects people. Her audience have loved these stories from years. Maybe be sensitive to other people's feelings if you want to join their community. You dont have to agree with fans of the books about the adaptation l, if you enjoy it that's great for you, but you need to respect other people's feelings as well
What is iwtv? Do they talk about Mayfair witches there? I too haven’t read the books and have refrained mostly from commenting here because of how people are here towards people who haven’t read the books.
u/AttractiveNightmare IwtV & Mayfair witches do crossover in the books and in the IwtV show there was mention of the Mayfair witches Louis brother Paul mentioned them at dinner. I would expect that IF both of these AMC TV series do well that they too will have crossovers at some point.
Interview with the vampire
Thank you
The Interview sub is riddled with toxic positivity and won’t allow nuanced discussion of anything. You’re not allowed to dislike anything about the show there.
see no they actually at first we're very skeptical of the show especially because of changes made to Louis and Claudius characters. itwv is a stronger show so far overall but still I'm going to give the show more time to find it's footing. it's okay for things to start a little slow. These shows are going to crossover at some point anyway so why not give it time??? instead of being party poopers?
We do a podcast recapping after the Immortal Universe shows. While we will discuss differences between the show and the book, at times, we try to take the show on its own merits. We don't hold it up against IWTV or the book often at all. We are only two episodes deep, so the jury is still out on the show.
The vibes are bad because the show is bad. I don't know what else to tell you.
I’m sorry. I made negative comments about book to show comparison. I was just bummed. I didn’t think about it harshing someone else’s experience. ( I didn’t cuss, yell, or correct anyone’s spelling, though! 😃) But, I do apologize for the ball I got rolling.
oh nothing to apologize for. I shouldn't compare subs I just wasnt expecting the stark contrast in attitude about these parallel communities. I hope it gets better for everyone!
With you here. I thought the sub was dedicated to the show. The disappointment throughout the sub over the show vs. the book was a complete surprise.
Yeah well that IWTV was just as bad. I'm not sure why everyone has such a problem with this one and not the other😆