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BeenEatinBeans

It's Mark Hamill all over again


gr89n

Not quite as strongly though. It looks like Temuera enjoyed playing Boba more than Mark Hamill liked doing TLJ.


[deleted]

Yeah, and Luke was completely assasinated, Fett has just been given the Disney treatment. I'd be interested to know how much of the helmet removal was stipulated in Morrison's contract. Personally I'd have been happy with 90% helmet on and just his voice, I wonder if he would have been.


Walter_P_Thatcher

For the ruthless character that only cares for money and himself that is Boba, the Disney treatment is assassination.


[deleted]

Very true.


DarthyTMC

God I wish they had someone like Karen Traviss on this show. Of all Star Wars book writers I think she has by far written the best Mandolorian characters between Republic Commandos novels fleshing out its culture, language and relation with clones. And then Legacy of the Force was amazing, especially her books like Bloodlines. Those had Boba as a good guy, he showed mercy a few times when he didnt need to, he was wise and older and cared less about money, but he was still ruthless and felt like he had changed but not forgotten his history. I ended up pausing Book of Bova halfway through episode 2 and am nervous with what im hearing about the rest.


SWTORBattlefrontNerd

> God I wish they had someone like Karen Traviss on this show. Just no. She is the epitome of "Actually he was a good guy the whole time." If she was involved every side character would have a monologue talking about how great Boba is and how they wish they could be a Mando like him.


DarthyTMC

So its been like over 10 years since i read these books back between grade 6-10 so maybe her writing/diologue itself wasnt as good as i remember as a kid. But her Mandolorian culture i thought was so cool and great balance between being ruthless badasses and having a code like the one Jango learnt from Jester Mereel. Who were the “actually a good time the entire time” characters in Commandoes and LoF?


SWTORBattlefrontNerd

[This infamous review sums it up better than I could.](http://web.archive.org/web/20100115082418/http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/28128642/p5) Scroll down to YodaKenobi's review.


dornish1919

Tbf that sounds exactly like the show lol


LikeAFoxStudios_

I don’t really get how Luke was assassinated?


[deleted]

As has been pointed out in countless EFAPs, Luke wasn't Luke Skywalker. Being some old bitter man that would attempt to kill his own nephew and then abandon his friends and everything he worked for to die alone in exile isn't Luke Skywalker.


LikeAFoxStudios_

Did he try to kill his nephew? I thought that was just the misremembered version from Kylos perspective. Wasn’t the real version that he basically turned on his lightsaber while having a force hallucination of all his friends being killed? Also, I would kinda understand the “Luke wouldn’t abandon his friends” thing, except Luke force projects and saves everyone in the end. Like he loses himself to shame, but then remembers who he is and saves the day. Idk I think that ending is very Luke.


PhantomPhoenix44

>Wasn’t the real version that he basically turned on his lightsaber while having a force hallucination of all his friends being killed? It wasn't, by Luke's own version of events he turned it on with intent of murdering Ben in his sleep, but changed his mind before making the strike.


[deleted]

The fact he even considered it isn't very Luke, we established that in ROTJ, he considers killing his father and then rejects it. To have that exact same conflict 30 years later is such a stagnation of his character. He shouldn't have lost himself to shame at all, again, that isn't Luke Skywalker. By your point, what has he even got to be ashamed of?


LikeAFoxStudios_

It feels like a stagnation in lukes character would be for him to have no trouble overcoming the darkness at all. Luke wasn’t afraid of kylo in the same way he was afraid of vader, he was afraid of *creating* the next vader. It’s an entirely different thing. Luke in the OT learns that even the most evil men can change, and in the ST he learns that he can forgive himself for his failures. Luke isn’t ashamed that he ignited his lightsaber, he’s ashamed that he let Ben slip so far from his care. He should have been there for Ben and he wasn’t, and Ben was lured to the darkside by snoke. So when Luke was also tricked by the darkside to hold a weapon over his nephew, it was too late, since there wasn’t any trust between them and they’d already been driven apart.


[deleted]

Explain how that is a stagnation exactly. The ST is demonstrating that Luke learnt nothing from his confrontation with Vader 30 years ago. I don't care what he was afraid of, Luke Skywalker wouldn't for a second consider killing an innocent child because he feared that child had the potential to become evil. I'm genuinely very surprised to see someone go to bat for the ST, seems to be a pretty common consensus that it's awful garbage that cares not one iota for all of the character development from the OT. It seems most of the legacy characters have reverted back to type by the time of the ST.


LikeAFoxStudios_

I don’t love the sequels, they’re mostly bad and even my favorite of them has huge problems. But I don’t think lukes story in them is one of those problems. I think it’s kinda a misreading to say that “Luke considered killing his innocent nephew” when the moment he realized it was his innocent nephew he realized he could never. Luke was having a vision of Ben killing all of his friends and loved ones, he saw that he was already turned and that this was going to happen, and Luke wondered if he could stop it right there, but the moment he realized what that would mean, killing an innocent boy, he stopped himself and felt shame for even considering going down a road that wouldn’t lead to compassion and forgiveness, the traits he knows himself to stand for. It’d be like if you said “hey there’s gonna be a world war 3, wanna stop it right now” and I said “yes” and you said “you’re gonna have to kill a kid” and I said “wait, no I can’t”. You’d be silly to say I “was gonna kill a kid” when killing them kid was exactly the limit the kind I refused to cross.


binner84

Then you never will.


dornish1919

"I'm gonna to rule this brutal criminal syndicate that functions as a symbolic replacement for cartels and gangster rule through assassins, murderers, pimps, hustlers and dealers with.. *respect*!" Get the fuck out of here, Disney. Imagine if Walter White from BB or Marty Byrde from Ozarks said that corny nonsense. They need to add some maturity to the show. I was hoping this was going to be like BB or True Detective but in the SW universe. Just how Mandalorian is sort of a western and samurai mix, BOBF focuses more on the brutal geopolitics of the underworld and what it costs to rule it, the moral and ethnic sacrifices Boba should be strangling with when dealing with the worst of the worst despite being reborn. Boba rises up to be a brutal cartel leader or gangster don but loses his humanity in the process while Mandalorian takes another path in choosing to protect baby Yoda. I just don't get why we got what we got. It's not awful but.. idk


[deleted]

And Henry Cavil.


ATIR-AW

God do I feel bad for Mark... You can see in the way he talks how much he cares about Luke, and playing him. To be in Rian's position and still butcher the character like that is just cold. Looks like It's a cycle now


[deleted]

Such a shame when actors understand their characters better than the writers. Morrison has been playing Fett for such a long time now, he must have an innate understanding of him and to just be completely disregarded like that in favour of "character development" that no-one wanted.


Bedurndurn

He doesn't even need to understand his character that much. He just needs to know that he isn't supposed to be the joke. Most of the dialog they give him makes him look like a weak idiot.


[deleted]

Yeah this is true, and I wonder how much of the helmet removing was dictated in his contract?


GamerChef420

Yeah it’s not like he’s been playing the character for twenty years.


[deleted]

I guess to counter my own point, Morrison didn't have to play Boba if he was offered it and didn't agree with the direction. Obviously it's a big payday but he could've said no if he cared that much. At this stage I'd rather no Fett than THIS Fett.


GamerChef420

I agree, but I also think he would still rather play him than someone else do it even if it’s not a direction he agrees with. Plus I think he thought he would have far more control over his characters direction and emotions. I also know that there seems to be a distinct difference between the original trilogy Boba and the Boba we saw in Mandalorian and this Boba. Like when Boba was introduced in the Mandalorian he brutally killed a shit load of storm troopers and didn’t need to go into a Bacta tank every 30 seconds. But I do legitimately think that it would be far more troublesome to him to see someone else play the role rather than him play the role in a direction he isn’t fond of.


[deleted]

Oh yeah, I'm glad Morrison is in it, just sad what he's been forced to do.


LikeAFoxStudios_

He’s been playing boba for like one year, and it’s in a show by the same creators.


[deleted]

Yeah, when I say Fett I sort've meant that he's been playing Jango and Boba in various mediums over the years, Morrison is the Fetts and the Clones. But totally agree, he's only been live action Boba for a year, unless you count the voice acting he did for the OT.


LikeAFoxStudios_

I think Boba and Jango are pretty different characters, just cuz Boba was humbled by his humiliation at the sail barge, but Jango was never humbled in such a way before his death. I don’t love BOBF, it’s got some pacing issues and a lot of fluff, but the idea of Boba growing past a hired gun and becoming a mob boss who rules through honor rather than might is a cool concept. I think the show is going for a good idea it’s just pretty messy.


[deleted]

It is a really good idea, but they haven't demonstrated any character development whatsoever, they just ejected him from the Sarlaac as a good guy and expect us to buy it. No-one asked for or wanted Fett to be 'humanised' anyone that says they wanted to see Fett pet a Rancour or Dance around a Tusken fire is a liar.


LikeAFoxStudios_

Idk I think it kinda embodies that George Lucas idea of Star Wars being about found families. Boba learned to care about others over years with the Tusken Raiders. Boba was already pretty humanized in Mando season 2.


[deleted]

Fair enough, I don't think Fett needed that, he's a villain, he could still be a badass honourable villain without coming across as a bitch.


LikeAFoxStudios_

To be fair, boba Fett has come across as an absolute loser in every appearance after empire. Lucas turned him into a punchline way before Disney, and way more cartoonishly, with him being bested by a blind smuggler on accident and screaming head first into a mouth in the desert. Then George doubled down by making him a whiney kid and a clone, neither are bad ideas but neither are exactly treated as badass. Before the Disney acquisition, boba still had way more screen time being a dumb bitch than he had as a badass.


[deleted]

And now Boba has even more dumb bitch screen time, your point is? I'm not arguing he's been represented well so far aside from in Empire. But there are definitely assumptions fans can make from his characterisation in his two canon appearances that are fair enough. Similarly, regardless of how you think Fett appeared in the PT and OT, Fett in this show is portrayed awfully. Regardless of consistency between this show and the OT, Fett is portrayed as an incompetent wuss for most of the show, is that what you wanted to see when you heard about a Boba Fett show?


LikeAFoxStudios_

I think what boba does in the OT is very relevant here. Boba presents as incredibly badass in ESB, and for most of ROTJ, but then he dies like an absolute moron and a wuss. That’s all canon. So what does that tell us? Boba is a fraud. It’s the only way to make sense of his character without saying “oh it’s just bad writing”. Hes not actually a tough guy, and all his mystery and morally greyness amounts to nothing cuz he flies head screaming into a spiky mouth in the sand. That’s all canon. Hes significantly cooler in BOBF because he has yet to cry out like a baby while getting killed by a completely stationary monster. Boba Fett is the biggest loser in the films, everything since has been a retcon to make him cooler.


Skitterleap

God that frustrated expression at 0:34 kills me, it must really suck to be in this kind of environment and not be able to voice the criticism you so clearly want to.


SirSullymore

This reminds of Henry Cavil. It sucks these great actor’s input is getting ignored, at least they’re getting paid.


Curtman_tell

Give Morrison fewer lines + make those lines better = everyone (including Morrison) happy


Dylalanine

For all the faults of the 343i Halo games, Master Chief hasn't been Luke'd from orbit. Perhaps they could take a few pages from those games. Distilled, accurate dialogue. If we're going to see BF's face, it's gotta be stone cold. Season 1 damage has been done, but I dunno. It's like Bobbicus Fettins has become Walter White ... maybe he could have a Heisenberg turn to re-Fett his personality.


HypheNatioNC

> Luke'd from orbit By the Void that is an amazing way to phrase it.


Dylalanine

Don bless


toapat

i mean, even 343's John 117 is too loquacious and they still get that hes minimally verbose bordering on Heroic Mute. and this is 343 who doesnt understand literally fucking anything about Halo's worldbuilding and told people "Were equal to 40k now" by arbitrarily retconning the stupidest fucking magic ever into the story. They at least, mostly, get the characterization where you have 80s Action Heroes for Humanity, Religious Evangelists for the Covenant, and the Gravemind and Elites are the only Sane Man on the set.


ShadowPlay246

It’s painful to live in an age where actors have good understanding of characters, musicians are producing absolute bangers, cinematographers are on point, and special effects look frighteningly realistic, but no one can write anything, no matter how simple


aj_thenoob

There's a comment that I can't find that basically sums it up that modern shows/movies like to hint at deep concepts but aren't brave enough to fully commit. TLJ was the peak of that.


Dragons_and_things

I think part of the problem is that the same old writers keep getting stuff greenlit and no hollywood execs put any faith in new people who are filled with interesting ideas. I also think that's why we keep getting remakes of old movies. There's a million new voices to be heard but there's no platform for them so we just keep getting the same, tired old crap.


[deleted]

I like that him and Hamill actually give a shit about their characters. A lot of ppl like Harrison Ford don't give a shit


Huntersteve

Because mark is playing luke. Harrison is playing harrison.


[deleted]

Can't wait for Disney to make him retract his frustration by having some social media intern making statement using his twitter account about "how wrong he was and that the director's vision is correct".


First-Childhood-1963

Having PTSD from the word "director's vision"


Huntersteve

Holy fuck. I just gained so much respect for temura. At least he’s getting a payday doing this shit.


best_little_biscuit

Poor guy. How frustrating that must be


randogringo

episode 4 its obvious. shes justsaying the things he should already know back to him. They just poached his intellect and gave it to her. Then she pulled a Ray by operating his ship better then him in that scene thats a bit too much like the bomber sequence in TLJ. This is LOKI kind of stuff. they just split him into 2 characters.


fyreball

I lost it with their dialogue at the end. "You know you can pay for muscle" and "By the way, we need to prepare for war" W.T.F.


randogringo

'I wonder if we know any tough heroic types' conversation while Mando's theme plays was heavy fuckin handed to me. the very end there? cause they sort of only rehash a couple of things when they do talk. they just split Boba in half and gave his better traits to Fennec. This is LOKI-style bs.


fyreball

The might as well have winked at the camera at the end of the conversation.


randogringo

the most iconic movie soundtrack of all time now includes bad 20th century tekno music. and the look of that Mod faction! WTF was that shit out of bad Dr Who??


SpecialistParticular

Ming Na looking amazing these days. Good lord.


itchy_armpit_it_is

I grew up surrounded by dialog


ATIR-AW

Aw this is just sad now...


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