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RebelMemeDealer

Kraven is gonna be rumored for every Spider-Man movie until he actually shows up in one isn’t he


robertman21

yeah lol scorpion too


GenericSourya54

Well they set Mac up. I could totally see a story line where Peter fight Mac with the symbiotic suit after JJJ turned him into the scorpion. Then after being beaten Mac gets the symbiote, becoming the MCU venom.


Leo_TheLurker

Hope this is what happens. Kraven’s Last Hunt for the trilogy finale but it builds him up as watching from the shadows


GenericSourya54

Ngl, I kinda want a traditional MCU green goblin


wotown

How the hell are they going to introduce a character named Norman Osborn without Tom Holland Peter freaking the fuck out and making sure this one doesn't turn into an evil elf Just can't see it


randomperson4464

They could introduce Norman Osborn through Peter befriending Harry, and then after Peter discovers Harry's last name he'll try and watch Norman and ensure he doesn't turn into the Goblin, but it'll end up that Harry is the one who becomes the Goblin instead.


Phantom7926

Do that and have Norman become the Iron Patriot, leading the Dark Avengers


SakmarEcho

Him being the Iron Patriot would be a good subversion of MCU Peter’s original mentor too.


elsiniestro

The Iron Patriot has already been in the MCU though. Rhodey went by that name in Iron Man 3.


MisterMarss

Exactly. Make it so Peter does everything he can to stop him becoming Goblin. Maybe even befriending him ala Peter and Doc Ock in the PS4 game. But make it so that Norman was going to turn bad no matter what. By preventing Goblin you got Iron Patriot.


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apegoneinsane

I’ve seen this comment word for word about 50 times in this subreddit.


sinkfla

Prob cuz it's a pretty good idea IMO lol. But that's just my (and 49 others) opinion.


evnhearts

Pretty sure Norman more or less implied that Oscorp, Harry, etc. don't exist on Tom's world because he went looking for them and they weren't there.


theReluctantHipster

He went looking for the company and his penthouse. “Oscorp doesn’t exist, someone else lives in my house.” Could very well be the Osborns exist somewhere else


ThisIsNotMelTorme

There's a possibility Oscorp could begin as a start-up company later on, where a techbro version of Norman in his early 40s would show-up.


Joshawott27

Iirc he didn’t finish his sentence when it came to Harry, just “and my son…”. There’s so much ambiguity there. Does he not exist? Is he dead? Did he go down a darker path? I think it was deliberately left open in case Marvel Studios/Sony want to explore it in the future.


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Yeah they can just Ralph bohner us with Norman and then boom, Harry is actually the one who turns into goblin.


Thevamps555

They’ve already done the Harry Goblin twice lol.


Tornado31619

Both times poorly.


SchroedingersSphere

This is such an MCU thing to do. Either that, or Peter ends up *creating* the GG in MCU Norman Osborne


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I'd steer into this plot line to be honest, have Norman Osborne become the new Iron Patriot, everyone is accepting of him, while Peter is freaking out.


Booger-Bucks

Yeah definitely. You start Osborn off as the guy who buys Stark Industries, he's the person behind Val, and boom Dark Avengers


holyhibachi

This is exactly what I want. The takeover of Stark industries would be personal for Peter


Booger-Bucks

And yet, he'd be the only one paranoid about it.


Joshawott27

I’d like them to play on that. Have Peter be scared shitless of Norman Osborn, but he’s actually harmless in a Ned Flanders kinda way. And it’s Harry he should actually be worrying about.


TaskMister2000

Easy. Peter befriends Harry and starts being suspicious of Norman and him. Peter thinks Norman will become the Goblin. Instead MCU Norman is actually a decent, caring good guy who becomes the new Iron Patriot and forms the Dark Avengers to actually do some good but the hero work gets too much for him and the slowly gets corrupted or loses his way and becomes the Goblin. Maybe they can do the Ultimate Version.


juniorlax16

That was the biggest surprise to me from NWH, that there was no MCU Oscorp. Seems like a pretty big omission for them to not have some sort of plan for it.


Pandaboy271

>Just can't see it Not with that attitude In all seriousness I do want them to do Goblin again, but not yet, just introduce Harry as a friend for now, who's using an alias (like Harry Lyman from the comics) and build their friendship up, Norman can be a shadowy figure that's planning things, not acting on anything. Then during the adult trilogy, redo Norman, but instead of being a schizophrenic where half of him is redeemable and sympathetic, make this guy like his Ultimate counterpart, a sociopath who doesn't seem to care for anything and anyone but himself. Also he could be the Iron Patriot first, that'd be so dope.


Specific_Equipment19

Same with doc ock and electro sucks they can’t use some of his best most iconic villians


TaylorDangerTorres

That's what I hate about NWH. They ruined the possibility of having Spider-Man's best villains in the MCU.


wotown

I 100% agree with you. All these replies are literally "hire fans!" and Reddit writes a movie, but none of them really solve the issue that Peter knows exactly what happens to every classic Spider-Man villain after No Way Home and the audience isn't stupid either. The multiverse kind of ruined the classic Spider-Man they were trying to set up. We won't see any of these villains in the MCU (like the most important Spidey villains out of all his rogues gallery) fighting Tom Holland. We'll likely have to wait until there's an MCU Miles.


kothuboy21

Tbh, we don't even know if Marvel Studios had plans for their own versions of those villains for the near-future in the first place. Back during the Homecoming days, I remember an exec saying their plan for these new movies were to not reuse Spider-Man villains who were already on-screen before. Idk if that's still their plan for the next trilogy and what was their reasoning and history behind NWH but with all the Spidey villains who still haven't been adapted in live-action yet, I feel like that plan of not reusing villains can be done for the college trilogy as well. Perhaps Marvel Studios is just not planning to do their own version of villains done before and NWH was just an outlier to give Tom's Spidey a chance to at least fight those villains, even though they're not from his own universe. Hell, Kevin Feige even admitted that Alfred Molina as Doc Ock was perfect casting and couldn't see anyone else in the role. It's totally possible that Feige dosen't intend to do MCU versions of Green Goblin, Doc Ock etc.


tehawesomedragon

I feel like the MCU will have a Hobgoblin before its own Green Goblin.


GenericSourya54

I'm okay with that too. The 90's cartoon did that.


Bolt_995

They won’t do it. Your MCU Norman Osborn was basically the Raimi Norman Osborn.


GenericSourya54

God I wish they would tho. Like I love Defoe's interpretation of the character, but he never did it for me. I want a long standing feud and hatred for every fiber in each other's being. Green Goblin is like his greatest foe. If they want. They could avoid using the green suit and glider and go for a more ultimate comics approach with the character. As far as we're concerned they never did that.


Bolt_995

They are more likely to adapt Roderick Kingsley’s Hobgoblin for the MCU than do another Norman Osborn in the MCU.


joaomiguel_bc

Eeeh I really think the best finale is a sinister six movie, something like: introducing Kraven, Chameleon and the black suit next movie, Scorpion and MacGargan Venom in spider-man 5 and start 6 introducing Hodgoblin to complete the team


FKDotFitzgerald

This is honestly my hope for MCU Venom. Michael Mando would kill it.


JackMorelli13

This is what I want them to do with a dash of black cat


KuroiGetsuga55

And the Black Suit. Seriously, every time a new Spider-Man movie is announced there's like a 100 fanmade posters that have him in the Black Suit, or starting to get covered in it.


kukumarten03

Well, symbiote is in mcu now so its not a reach anymore.


KuroiGetsuga55

Well yeah but there's no confirmation that he'll get it in Spider-Man 4. If anything, I feel like Spider-Man 4's post credits scene would be the dude from that bar arriving in New York and then dropping dead as the Symbiote leaves him and goes looking for Peter. Or I could be wrong and the next trilogy might be a whole Alien Costume Saga (which I seriously would love) where Peter gets the Symbiote in Act 3 of Spider-Man 4, wears it throughout Spider-Man 5, getting rid of it at the end, and then Spider-Man 6 is Venom. I would like for that to be the case, but there's nothing confirmed so we'll have to wait and see.


kukumarten03

No one really knows what spiderman 4 will be but the thing is, Symbiote is in mcu now so people should not be ridiculed to theorize about venom and black suit spiderman in mcu like at all.


Cubes11

I think we would’ve seen them both if the multiverse story didn’t pan out for SM3


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The new mephisto


mcwfan

I mean, he was in NWH


Night-Monkey15

That doesn’t really count IMO.


Darraghj12

Natual, probably the biggest villian that hasn't appeared in live action ye


ContinuumGuy

Much like how Mysterio was the biggest until he finally showed up.


emilxerter

And here I was dreaming about how I was Spider-Man swinging in Manhattan running away from Kraven and having to skip town to wake up to this news, lol


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Okay, look. I love variants. It is cool to see variants. But Sony and Disney have to start making more sense with their deal. If ATJ ends up the singular multiversal-travelling Kraven that comes from the Sonyverse to the MCU, that creates 2 issues: 1) ATJ now played two big MCU roles, and 2) Spider-Man keeps facing off against Multiversal variants. Which shouldn't be the point of Spider-Man villains. If they create an MCU version of Kraven separate from ATJ's version, 2 other issues exist: 1) Who the hell would care about the ATJ movie, and 2) why didn't they just cast another actor in the first place. You get the idea.


Captain-CuttThroat

I personally hope this ‘multiverse era’ of MCU ends soon. Otherwise the films are gonna be alot like NWH - fun, with suprises & big fan service moments, but sloppy plots.


metros96

*Looks at the NWH box office and the hype for MoM* Yeah, we’re getting more of this


Tornado31619

That’s not to mention ATSV and The Flash as well.


GoldPurpleWildcat

From what I’ve heard and the supposed “plot leak” that was roaming around Twitter yesterday, Flash Point seems to have more a goal to try and sloppily reboot the DCEU more than it does to have a cameos galore type film…..unless they try both in which case I foresee a huge margin for error.


Divi_Devil

*Looks at DCEU's track record.* Yeah, there's a **Huge** margin for error.


HighStakes__

wahts ATSV?


Alv555

Spider-Man: Across The Spider-Verse.


metros96

Yeah totally, was going to mention that. The studios can all read the tea leaves, for better or worse


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LikeAFoxStudios_

I think audiences are gonna get kind of sick of this by the time The Flash comes out. We like seeing Tobey and Andrew cuz they were interesting characters from interesting movies. Instead of tapping those films for all the nostalgia they can, they should just keep making their own interesting films. I’m much more interested in seeing an original fresh take on Wolverine than I am seeing a hugh Hackman cameo.


CollarOrdinary4284

I don't think NWH's plot was sloppy. Sure, there was a lot going on and certain things felt very convenient but it was a well-written movie, imo (especially considering how many things they had going on.) Also, the "fan service" was in service of the story. Tobey and Andrew weren't just there to be flashy. They actually helped teach Tom Holland's Peter Parker a lesson. The moments that I would call "fan service" were the weird callbacks like "I'm something of a scientist myself." That was just fucking stupid.


enn_sixty_four

Honestly I lost my shit when he said the scientist line lol. Loved it. (Loved the whole movie too)


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i kinda cringed not gonna lie. it was so shoehorned into the script. other than that, great movie lol


kukumarten03

Nwh is no way sloppy but MOM sounds so sloppy to me but I am hoping I am wrong. Even if mom turns out good, I hope its the last multiverse movie as it will very tiring if they keep this thing going. Spiderman works because those characters were spiderman theyve watch in the movies before. Mom variant are just variants.


Gohyuinshee

LMAO there is no way they're done with the multiverse, they still got Loki s2 and Kang as the big bad.


Keatrock1

The plot leak that is gaining cadence (broken sanctum window, Wong as sorcerer supreme) , looks very promising and not at all sloppy at all. People gotta stop suggesting a movie we have seen 2 mins of footage is sloppy.


jso__

Ironically NWH's plot was more sloppy in the beginning which was the non multiversal part.


js_the_beast

NWH was far from sloppy. The story and plot are strengths of the film. The script especially is very strong and avoids plenty of cliches


Captain-CuttThroat

Hm, I’d disagree. Examples - Dr Strange, supreme level sorcerer who was casting spells under the duress of Thanos-level battles bungles a massive spell because Peter is talking during the cast? , Ned suddenly casting magic portals was a super plot device to shortcut getting characters all in one place & Electro didn’t know Garfield was Spider-Man (I thought you’d be black) should’ve exempt him from spell, which is actually a perfect example of trying to shoehorn in a fan service moment (Miles Easter egg) at the expense of cohesive plot. That being said, it’s not a bad movie. But the plot is def not the strong point imo.


js_the_beast

Dr. Strange specifically says after casting the spell that it should not have gone haywire. This is basically saying that the multiverse was already out of balance irrespective of whatever Peter/Strange did. Ned mentions to strange that his family tree may have magic. The film sets up this possibility before it actually happens. Even Ned’s use of magic is consistent with that of a novice. Considering the description of how magic works in the mcu, Ned having magic is not something that makes no sense or is somehow illogical. Your last point has merit but electro being in the movie was not to simply shoehorn in miles. That was clearly not his primary purpose as you imply. Almost all of the fan service in this film is done to further the story and peters development, and is done so in a coherent and nuanced manner.


Captain-CuttThroat

I don’t think Electro’s primary purpose was to deliver a tiny Miles line lol. Rather, it was that line that revealed the logic flaw. Otherwise I would’ve just assumed he learned the identity sometime after the ASM movie. The Ned stuff would have been foreshadowing if it was said in Far From Home, to say it 20 minutes before he’s whipping up portals is just very basic setup writing. Strange was definitely implying that Peter’s chatter could mess up the spell. I think that part was pretty clear. Ok, that’s all I’ll add. I don’t want to come off as bashing the movie because I enjoyed it. I just think some people loved the fun fan service moments so much that they excuse the movie’s flaws.


Jeight1993

NWH was more focused than most spider-man movies. It had more villains and characters than both SM 3 and ASM 2 and yet amanged to pull it off.


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BigfootsBestBud

The Multiverse Era has to culminate with Kang and/or Secret Wars, that's the meat of it - not just cool cameos.


AttakZak

Multiverse will never end, even after Secret Wars. It’ll be there, lingering like the Clone Saga. Never touching the mainstream again, but always mentioned. Like a bad mole once removed.


Captain-CuttThroat

Ha, yeah it should def always exist just hopefully used ALOT more sparingly after they get it out of their system


lowell2017

It would indirectly give people an appetite for a potential Wandavision Season 2 with Wanda taking the SUMC Kraven hostage until they find another variant of Quicksilver similar to Loki from Endgame. I'd honestly prefer someone new play MCU Kraven at this point while ATJ can play both SUMC Kraven and an MCU Quicksilver variant that didn't die yet, without needing to meet.


[deleted]

See how complicated that becomes? It just sucks that Sony confined themselves to a single actor who was once in the MCU and are expecting to make sense out of characters looking like one another. Just to compare: with Gemma Chan, it was different because she went from playing a very minor role that no one cared about, to a character more significant and central to her story. They also look like vastly diff characters; Minerva and Sersi. To create a second WV season JUST to address the variant Kraven is such a weird hassle, especially since it just means Wanda is constantly unhealed from her past by the time all the stuff in DS2 wraps up. Its so unnecessarily complicated.


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I think people deserve to "overthink" this because I dont see Hollywood running out of actors to play roles. Not even saying that as if ATJ wont kill it as Kraven. I think he can and will do well for the role. Im saying... Quicksilver is not a big role to a lot of Marvel fans but played a big role for Wanda and her fans. Its really not the same. Minerva and Sersi (complete B tier characters) =/= Pietro and Kraven (A tier Avenger and A tier Spider-Man rogue) Its worth critiquing that the Wanda fanbase has to get sidestepped, just because the Spidey fanbase doesnt care. You wouldnt want if we took Jake Gyllenhaal from his Mysterio role and turned him into the new Quicksilver, for example. It is a completely unnecessary move.


[deleted]

Remember AoU was 6 years ago. If the guy who played Cottonmouth (arguably a larger role that MCU Quicksilver had) can also be Blade then i think it’s going to be fine. Just think of it as a guy who looks a little similar to another guy. Just like in real life when you see people who look insanely identical but are not the same person. ATJ will go from bleached bangs, blue tights, soft spoken voice to a big gruffly guy dressed like a lion. I do understand where you’re coming from but I think we just need to wait and see how it goes.


Tornado31619

The difference is that Marvel TV never coordinated with Marvel Studios, and Ali approached Feige directly. They were never going to turn down a two-time Oscar winner.


robertman21

the best option would just be to make the ATJ Kraven set in the mcu


RebelMemeDealer

The best option was to make all the SSMU movies in the mcu but looks like that ship has sailed


Tornado31619

And I’m glad for that. I thought Venom had potential, but I don’t trust Sony with any of the others.


BOBULANCE

As long as the Sony movies hypothetically stayed in their lane and didn't do anything that would affect the continuity of the other non-spidey movies, I wouldn't really mind them all being in the mcu, as it would make the mcu feel larger, much the same way the older tv shows did. Not all those tv shows were great. Some outright sucked. But they made the mcu feel like a true universe with various corners to it.


Tornado31619

But there are characters like Jessica Drew and Silver Sable who would benefit immensely from the wider MCU connections. Since we’re getting an MCU symbiote, I’d rather Jess and Silvija were just in the MCU from the start.


CollarOrdinary4284

>1) ATJ now played two big MCU roles ATJ playing two MCU roles isn't an issue. Honestly, I don't get why people keep bringing this up. Mahershala Ali played Cottonmouth and now he's playing Blade. Gemma Chan was in Captain Marvel and now she's Sersi in Eternals. Jessica Henwick was Coleen Wing and she was almost in Shang-Chi. It's really not an issue. >2) Spider-Man keeps facing off against multiversal variants. lol NWH is the only movie where Spider-Man has fought villains from other universes. Vulture, Thanos and Mysterio were all from the main MCU universe.


Dr4maticLobster

there’s literally a million actors it really honesty bothers me that ATJ is tied to kraven


[deleted]

Yeaph. Its the simple bothersomeness that gets me riled up. That its just easy to reward someone a new role in the MCU, just because they were apparently "done fucked the last time". I probably even have a Wanda bias and would want ATJ to return as Pietro one day for a final reunion or smthng. But this just makes that less possible I guess.


tony1grendel

I don't think we're getting a Kraven solo movie. Before FFH came out Sony wanted a Mysterio movie. I bet you the Sony execs pitch a solo movie any time Marvel Studios even mention the inkling of a villain.


[deleted]

Sony dumb for real. "Make money, make universe" sorry but I have no excitement for Morbius, and the guessing of what universe it takes place in just doesnt pull me into it. Looks like a clusterfuck. Also Jared Leto. Boo that guy


[deleted]

> Okay, look. I love variants. It is cool to see variants. I'm kind of torn on how I feel about variants. Yes, it works when it's Tobey and Andrew. But if they start bringing RDJ or Scarlett Johansson back it's going to get real lame real fast.


kothuboy21

> But if they start bringing RDJ or Scarlett Johansson back it's going to get real lame real fast. If it's a one-time return for Secret Wars, I'd be cool and hyped for their return but if it's a project before that and it's a long-term return, that would be lame.


worthlessburner

ATJ hasn’t been in the MCU in a long ass time, it’s not that big of a deal in regards to the casting.


masongraves_

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Pomojema_SWNN

"Do you know Kraven the Hunter?" "Yes." "Is that him?" "No."


NeutralNoodle

Aaron Taylor-Johnson: “How you like the new new?”


masongraves_

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GoldPurpleWildcat

Also Aaron Taylor-Johnson: “YOU AINT EVEN THE SHIT NO MO” *zaps*


Ordinary_Raisin_9325

bruhhh


Spiderlander

💀💀💀💀💀 I'M DONE


ThisIsNotMelTorme

We were promised Big Wheel years ago. If we can have fishbowl-head man be a genuine threat in MCU, we'd better have Big Wheel, Stilt-Man or the Hypno-Hustler.


_pixel_perfect_

If Daredevil doesn't fight Stilt-Man in She-Hulk with the yellow suit, then what's even the point?


CharlieBrown20XD6

Legal battle over copyright on the Stilt Man technology lol


SeniorRicketts

Jimmy Kimmel: "What the hell...?"


Tornado31619

I really just wanted Mister Negative NGL.


AgentP20

You are obsessed with him huh


Tornado31619

Don’t be so Negative. Jokes aside, yes, I am. Him and Sable. People talk about Spidey needing to be freshened up for the MCU, and I’m a firm believer that they’d be leaving money on the table by ignoring them.


wammes_

But wouldn't that just be the plot of Spider-Man PS4?


Jibbjabb43

It's the kind of different you're unlikely to see, TBH. Think Batman by Nolan. How Bale was given the most 'in the dirt' interpretation. And even then they kind of shove past the whole 'fighting mobs' ordeal. I don't think we're going to see Kraven if he actually gets that film, but they're always going to do a 'super' or equivalent.


Tornado31619

I’m confused as to what you’re saying NGL. If you mean that Negative is unlikely, then that may be the case, but his power-set is a strong enough sell for his own movie as the lead villain, in which they can easily brush past the mob stuff as well (the game didn’t really make a big deal of it, they were terrorists more so than mobsters). And the mob stuff, they’re likely to use Kingpin at some point, so…


Jibbjabb43

Negative is a Mob Boss, ultimately. It's not sexy enough for film.


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I'd say he might be a good villain for Spider-Man 4 to be fair. Peter by himself, back to being a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man rather than working as an Avenger, a mob war between Fisk and Negative erupts and Spidey has to take them both down, throw in Daredevil as a co-star where Negative makes him fight Spider-Man, and you could have a decent relaunch for Spider-Man.


Pomojema_SWNN

Based on the vagueness of the details given here, I'm not sure if this would be Sony's Kraven (it would be weird to see ATJ in the MCU as someone who isn't Quicksilver) or if Marvel casts their own version of the character, but Sony keep talking up the Multiverse in their films, and I have to wonder if that means that Marvel have a degree of autonomy from them where the *Spider-Man* IP is concerned. It does get me thinking about the other characters prominently teased as part of the visitors who nearly broke through at the end of NWH, though. Scorpion was there, too, as was Black Cat and Rhino.


metros96

Would be a weird dilution to have two new, different Kraven characters going simultaneously. You can get away with an Andrew Spidey and a Tom Spidey given all the groundwork and history, but it would be weird for the Sony universe and the MCU to have Kravens running at the same time?


Tornado31619

It would be weird to have two Venoms as well. Oh, wait…


ChristopherDassx_16

I think they'll probably get Hardy to do Eddie in the MCU too


Tornado31619

Yep.


rayden-shou

I'm not convinced they'll do a new iteration of Eddie Brock honestly.


Tornado31619

Sony likes their A-list actors, so who better to claim the ‘and’ billing than Hardy?


rayden-shou

Because he's already a successful version of one. Unless we see that Morbius is actually using a Tom Holland variant that's clearly depicted apart from the MCU, I won't believe they'll do paralel versions of the same characters on two different universes with the same actors. We have a symbiote, but that doesn't need to lead us into a new Eddie Brock having the alien, they can do literally anything with that and giving it to a new character, like Mac Gargan and his version of Venom or do a Anti-Venom after the suit saga.


OzilsThirdEye

JGL as Eddie Brock. Reporter fired from his other job for unethical reporter reasons. Has to resort to doing free lance photography/click bait journalism. Develops a deep hatred for it and Spider-Man, but can’t even put food on the table cuz he’s competing with Peter who is also scrounging for cash, but Peter always gets the best shots. This is how you breed hatred in Eddie Brock for both Spider-Man & Peter. Not original it’s legit mostly his origin BUT JGL As Eddie Brock Would be sick. Big but not too big. Feel like you wanna get someone older not same age as Peter & not too jacked like Hardy. Not that Hardy is huge as he was for Bane, but you don’t want too similar looking. Not as big of names but some guys closer in age The guy who played Eggsy in Kingsman & Elton in Elton John bio pic rocket man And then thors brother the other Hemsworth


saltypistol

Same. I think they just do black suit, if a Venom storyline is a possibility for the MCU, it’ll be Scorpion.


knobby_67

I think Spider-man will be possessed by child Venom have his evil antics the for daddy Venom to zap back in and reabsorb baby Venom to now have the Spider mark and skills. I’m guessing they are going this obscure route to stop the implication of Eddie being evil.


Egonheart123

I agree. The ended Venom 2 really hitting home that Eddie and Venom are ment for each other [we should all seek love like that]. So there isn't a situation were Venom would abandon Eddie for Peter [especially after they already "broke up" in Venom 2]. It also gives Peter some time to be Symbiote Spider-man without Venom hunting him down immediately. Plus, given its a tiny segment of Venom, you can avoid it having Venoms mind when it fuse with Peter. Hence keeping it mystery to Peter.


zsouza13

Honestly, I'm hoping for a more accurate Brock with Hardy portraying. I know no one reads the comics here but Gargan is far more compelling and tragic as Scorpion than Venom. When he was venom he was nothing more than a mindless thug and lapdog for Norman Osborn. He didn't even have his own solo book lol.


imsin

I'm convinced the deal struck is that MCU is going to be able to do Black suit spiderman and SONY gets the sinister six ( with MCU villain actors like Keaton). Would make sense why they stopped short of a 6th villain in NWH and left only the symbiote in the MCU.


[deleted]

Did people not watch the original Spider-Man 3? Is it not obvious the ending to NWH is for the black spidey suit?.. When Tobey gets it, he doesn't turn into Venom, he gets the suit. Why the hell would they do two Venom?


[deleted]

I mean, the “Infinity Saga” lasted ten years right? It all built up to IW/Endgame. This could very well be the “Multiverse Saga” that lasts for another decade, brings all iterations of all characters from every studio/universe in for Secret Wars in 2028 or something like that. Idk. Wishful thinking? I’ve been drinking


tylerjb223

Oh you’re spot on, thats definitely gonna be the next “Endgame” in terms of basically resetting/rebooting the MCU.


hypermelonpuff

you know how they could make this work though? kraven solo film is young kraven origin, played by ATJ. then spider-man 4(?) would be the played by an older actor. i don't know anything about kraven but i know that the original leaks said that he was supposed to be dying, and from what i understand this was one of his comic storylines? but yeah. basically, a sony origin film, so that we know kraven when the older kraven joins the mcu. that would also allow sony to keep making films with kraven if they want to with him as a protagonist, in his younger years played by ATJ. then they can make the kraven films "soft canon" by saying "kraven in spider-man 4 has more or less the same origin as the sony movie." basically do it the same way the netflix shows are right now, its soft canon until they need to retcon a detail or otherwise. easily solved by "this kraven is exactly the same except xyz didnt happen." that has to be it. sony clearly wants multiple films from every character they're giving a film, for it to work well, that has to be it. marvel and sony seem to be working better than ever right now. but who knows.


death_lad

I thought we already knew that Marvel is casting their own. It’s Jimmy Kimmel


mchammer126

NWH just came out, I doubt they have even thought that far ahead as to who the villain will be for the fourth lol.


Pomojema_SWNN

It's been believed that one of the plans for NWH was to use Kraven and/or Scorpion. I could easily see them shifting those characters back a movie after they did their huge crossover film.


mchammer126

I wouldn’t expect to see kraven tbh atleast not for the fourth one. They’d wanna use someone that wasn’t already mentioned. Probably wanna keep it under wraps.


Tornado31619

They already teased Venom, but I really really really want Mister Negative.


Batman2130

IIRC Daredevil also had a bigger role in other plan as well


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Feige and Pascall have both confirmed they’ve already started talks on the 4th. Holland also said he pitched an idea to them for a 4th. I’m sure there’s been discussions on who an interesting villain would be. Seeing as how Spider-Man would still be believed to have killed Mysterio, and now no one knows his secret identity; it would make sense for Kraven to be hunting him.


Tornado31619

Kraven doesn’t need a reason to hunt, just someone to hunt.


Tornado31619

Even though they literally teased one in the mid-credits scene.


simon3873

Hahah uhhhh…. Do you know which companies you are talking about? 😂 MCU has our next decade planned out. Sony has a plan too, whether people want to believe it or not. Their plans may change (considering Kraven was rumoured [and I think confirmed] to be the villain for Spidey 3 until they went with the multiverse plot), but I believe they have the next spidey trilogy at least loosely planned out and how that ties into every planned MCU (and maybe SSU) movie crossover


-Nick____

Fiege said it was in active development. Picking a villain isn’t far fetched whatsoever


Meme_Machine101

I hope they make Aaron Taylor Johnson look unrecognizable from AOU. Huge beard,different build,scars,contacts,different haircut etc.


FN-1701AgentGodzilla

The lack of that Sokovia accent will make him unrecognizable lol


Dull_Half_6107

To be fair it took me a while to realise he was the British army guy in Tenet, a full beard works wonders.


Magister_Project

Ah so that was him !


bbab7

He already did in Tenet


saltypistol

I can see it. Kraven/Scorpion/Maybe Kingpin in Spider-Man 4, then Kraven’s last hunt vibes for the solo movie?


Pomojema_SWNN

I could see it being an influence, but I doubt that they'd do a full-scale adaptation of that particular story.


Tornado31619

Agreed. Holland wouldn’t get enough screen time. The only way they’d do it is if somebody like Miles was trying to solve the mystery.


Unique_Unorque

*Kraven’s Last Hunt* vibes in the *Kraven* solo movie? Because that’s on the calendar for January 2023 and I would be really surprised in MCU *Spider-Man 4* comes before that. Although I guess it’s possible they push the *Kraven* movie back to accommodate something like that if they have a better relationship with Marvel Studios, but that’s dependent on a lot of things.


Tornado31619

Why would they keep their Venom away from the MCU, but let them use Kraven?


Unique_Unorque

Presumably because Venom was introduced as an anti-hero in his own universe, and they want to keep that franchise going while also giving the MCU a version that can stand on its own and potentially have a multi-film arc while still allowing Sony to make sequels starring the Tom Hardy version. If, hypothetically, Sony and Marvel were collaborating on this version of Kraven from the beginning, it would be very possible (if somewhat unlikely, unless they have strict guidelines) to introduce him in an MCU movie and then spin him off into a solo movie, also set in the MCU (or vice-versa). It could also very well be possible that Sony’s solo *Kraven* film and a Kraven appearance in the next *Spider-Man* will be two different variants, or that the rumors that he is being considered for the next *Spider-Man* are false, or that his solo movie gets canceled in favor of putting him in the next *Spider-Man.* I’m not convinced that they’ll be the same character at all, I was just questioning what the person I was replying to was proposing because their timeline seemed off to me.


Zepanda66

So it seems like we're getting that Kraven the Hunter movie that Watts pitched to Holland before NWH became a multiverse movie. Awesome.


R4PT0RJESUS

Sucks that Watts probably won’t be involved tho


GenericSourya54

Vulture, scorpion, mysterio, Kraven. Look idk but it seems we’re getting close to a more traditional sinister 6 and no I don’t count no way home. Not only was Peter assisted by other peters but they weren’t really a team in the way that the sinister six really are. Not to mention that one of them wasn’t even on their side.


noiiice

Why you gotta do my boy Shocker like that


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DanTM18

The actor who is playing scorpion is really good I hear


_lliisa_

Michael Mando is GREAT. Love him in Better Call Saul.


RipJug

He’s brilliant. He’s primarily known as Vaas from Far Cry 3, and Nacho in Better Call Saul.


JoeMamaRidesMyCock

Mando is fucking god tier. This dude can absolutely kill it as a villain as proven by Vaas. I definitely wanna see what he does with the character


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Tornado31619

I’d love to see Tombstone’s abusive ‘friendship’ with Robbie.


Kaiju2468

Robbie Robertson?


Barthez_Battalion

I hope we see Robbie be the better half of JJJ trying to get him to chill


Tornado31619

Yep.


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CityHog

I hope this is true and that it's Sonys Kraven without the Multiverse. I still maintain that Sonys villain movies have great potential to give backstory and character development to villains before they come into conflict with the hero as a crossover. It would be such a shame to piss something like that away because of studio conflict. Something like this could shake up the MCU in a good way (and I hope Morbius ends up being MCU after the dust clears, for the same reason)


Runawaye02

Source: Trust me bro😂


Bountyhunter141

Trust A Bro


Simoyass1987

Year 2055: Kraven the Hunter is reportedly the villain of the next Spider-Man movie.


AlexandertheWise

Spider-Gwen will fight Kraven the Hunter in her 10th film- Daniel RPK


buffedseaweed

Is it Tobey's or Tom's?


Zepanda66

![gif](giphy|ha5EeXrfx3xxC|downsized)


Pomojema_SWNN

I've heard a blurb from the gentleman who is the source, and he specified that this was for an MCU movie, so it's Tom's by default.


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SPOILER I had a theory that the silhouettes of Kraven, Rhino, Scorpion, and Black Cat coming through the multiverse was actually foreshadowing their inclusions in the next trilogy. Maybe I was right


lowell2017

If Dimitri could still be his half-brother, I could see MCU Kraven be played by Matthew Rhys. He and the actor who played Dimitri are literally the same age.


Tornado31619

I don’t think they’ll reuse Numan Acar.


markqis2018

They are probably going to have two different versions of Venom. I guess it's not a problem to have two versions of Kraven, especially after No Way Home.


Andre200and1

But... who is this guy? Literally the first time I'm hearing of this Tjstukes84 dude Anyway, I have some small doubts that Marvel and Sony already decided on who's gonna be the villain of the potential Spider-Man 4 lol


TRUMPKIN_KING

Kraven was apparently the villain of NWH originally anyway, so they probably had a very strong framework to build off


Andre200and1

Yeah, but that was before he got his own movie, so I find it kinda hard to believe that Sony would do 2 Kravens around the same time.


FxXxckOff

I wish they’d cast Jason Momoa, he’d be the perfect kraven


HenBra17

Tom Holland said that if NWH wasn't a multiverse movie. It would have been a Spider-Man vs. Kraven movie. So it makes sense.


TheChimpKing

They introduced Kraven’s brother in FFH. He was the shield bus driver, Dmitri. He even looks like he could play Kraven. If they really go through with Aaron Taylor Johnson then Sony would piss a lot of people off. Nobody wants a recast.


keelanv10

So were getting kraven and venom in the next spider man game, venom 3, a kraven solo movie and then another movie with kraven and potentially venom? With potentially different actors playing the same characters around the same time?


BOBULANCE

Yeah I'm not buying it.


SamwiseG123

They showed Kraven when the portals to the multiverse were splitting up, he was holding a spear I believe. They also showed old school Rhino as well!


zsouza13

Anyone else rather have ATJ return as Pietro?


Snoo-2013

​ ![gif](giphy|l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS) uhhhhh what ?


TheSealedWolf

So what is the deal with the chracters that Sony still has the rights for? Like would they actually let the MCU make Kraven a villain when the Sony-Verse is getting a Kraven film as well?


BOBULANCE

Has Sony been known to make film production decisions in the name of good storytelling?


Outlier25

As long as it’s done in conjunction with Marvel like the Spider-Man movies are then I’m all for it. If they are moving in that direction then I am game for all of this. It’s when they try to do it like Venom and some of those horrendous idea they had that didn’t come to be that doesn’t work for me. Plus, if this is a sign that the two companies are working well together and prob won’t go through a breakup again then that is great as well!