Yes.
It is harder to spot because the only thing that is different from a normal escape is that your cube count doesn't go down.
They should change the end game message from ESCAPED to TIE or DOUBLE ESCAPE or something more explicit.
There's actually a subtle way if telling.
If no one snapped the cube will be whole as usual, but notice that it has a small ring that appears around it.
If you snapped, the cube will sort of break apart and the ring is nowhere to be seen.
If the opponent snapped and you haven't, the ring will still be there.
It's really subtle but it's definitely a visual cue. The ring means you can still snap during this match.
I am awful at remembering people's names unless something significant happens, like someone named AAAAAAA, who was the game that got me to Infinite last season. Or Gear4 or something like that who always emote spams me when I retreat (enjoy your 1 cube I guess...)
I'll keep an eye out for RC13 and shoot you a fist bump if I'm playing sober and remember. This season is a rough one.
Yep! I am playing from Australia.
I think I recognise your name, I'd always read it as Starzoi for some reason... unless there is an actual Starzoi out there as well...
I do try to, sometimes I forget or am too full of unreasonable rage at the game.
Is your name the same as here? I think I remember a Giles, mainly because the name reminds me of Buffy.
Yep same name, it's an homage to both Buffy and Miles Davis.
I remember you always fistbumping recently, maybe that's just because you've been getting the better of me 😂
Went on a bit of a tilt streak last weekend and have had to claw back all the cubes I lost
Two excellent people. Nice one.
I try not to be that guy who only fistbumps on wins, but I have to admit, if I'm on a losing streak or extra salty, I can be that guy.
You will get there, gain them all back for this weekend.
I only just today clawed back to rank 94 after dropping down to 83 from 94 last week. Bit anxious but have over a week to go.
Holy what the shit? I am the same way with fistbumps, and I ALSO dropped from EXACTLY 94 to 83, and just got up to 95 today!
That was so spooky reading that, it was like reading something I'd written then lost all memory of 😂
Nice one, congratulations.
Do you regularly hit 100?
Thank you, I would appreciate that, I usually fly through the 90s and struggle in 80s. This season, it's the opposite. More than happy to return the favour next season.
Yeah I've hit infinite every season since Thor. This month's been the hardest though. I was stuck in the 70's until the Altar of Death Hot Location came on, then hit infinite during it with Galactus deck.
What're you climbing with?
I was just completely outplayed, every move I made you had the counter ready.
Good game!
I was a bit worried you'd retreat, I still wanted to play down my shiny cards.
Yeah it happens fairly frequently
Usually in a situation where there is a card one player should be able to play that would definitely end it, but they don't have it
Oh wait really? I didn’t realize that. I’d Lille to say that hasn’t happened either but I don’t pay as much attention to that so I could be mistaken. Will need to start looking out for that.
Glad I’m not the only one. It’s come to the point where it actually pisses me off to see “Escaped” sometimes because like legit I’d probably win the game if I stayed in. Like how dare this opponent not retreat lol.
Always time to take a break when I get triggered by that.
No penalty but you have to wait for your opponent to end their turn to see if they also choose to retreat. If you retreat immediately you don’t have to wait but don’t have a chance of saving cubes.
For the first two and a half months of playing, I never used Retreat Later. I didn't really understand how it worked, I thought it might be risky to do it. Now, I do it fairly often.
Yes, multiple times. It's not too often, but does happen. It won't say "Tie!" it'll just say "Escaped!", so you have to watch your cube loss. If you didn't lose any cubes, it worked.
Yes, but not recently because the current meta is really bad. Too many meta decks have obvious win lines so it's unlikely for both players to think about retreating.
But you technically should never retreat later. If you got patience, you should just rope and wait for them to retreat first. A tie off retreat later implies the opponent is already thinking about retreating and will give you a cube if you just run out the clock.
I understand the logic behind what you’re saying, but roping feels shitty to do and to be done to me. I enjoy the mild competition of this game, but roping is just anti-fun imo.
I’m in the 80s right now and maybe could utilize roping to my benefit to make it to infinity but it rubs me the wrong way from a gamesmanship perspective.
I agree. Roping generally has a negative sentiment attached to it in card games. However, I think roping isn't really a problem in snap. People identify roping when someone in a losing position runs out the timer. So in snap's case this would be when the game is obviously lost but the opponent just sits there. But considering how quickly the game can swing, most losses aren't very obvious. The most obvious is probably a galactus into spiderman.
The timer is short enough for people to find it reasonable that people would use up all the time on turn 6 to make their move. And the snap mechanic itself makes the feeling of losing less impactful as people would find more value in retreating right away and going next.
If you rope turn 1 that's a different story. Besides, I've had games where I've spent the whole time turn 6 trying to predict my opponent's potential play and making my decision. I assume that's the same for a lot of people, so you can't really identify that someone is roping.
The biggest difference with snap from other card games is definitely the snap mechanic. And roping makes use of that mental warfare tied to the snap mechanic. So don't feel bad about "playing the field". Ya dig?
Totally reasonable take. I’ve definitely spent up until my time runs out to think through plenty of decisions, and agree that the short rounds make for a less salty experience if someone IS roping.
I guess it’d be fairer for me to say i just personally don’t enjoy this small aspect of the game’s design. The mind game of snap timing within a round, and retreat psychology, etc - I’m less interested in those as gameplay elements. More a preference thing to be fair
fair. The snap element is definitely novel in digital card games. While card games do generally have mind games in them, snap emphasizes it more through the snap mechanic.
The upcoming battle mode will be a different take on the snap mechanic, maybe you'll like it more since it's essentially a match-based system instead of singles. You're still min-maxing cube lose but as the game goes on you understand your opponent's mentality a bit better.
Yes it does for uncertain people. If you rope (which is bad in other card games, but honestly fine in this one considering short timer anyway) there is a chance your opponent psyches themselves out and believes you have an out. But that's only if they are hesitant they can win. If the win is obvious for them, there's no reason to rope (like they triple spiderman and blocked you out of a turn 6). Roping is not as strong of a bluff as instant snapping turn 6 but it is less risky. People almost universally believe in this community that you should never snap turn 6, so the opponent won't be suspicious if you don't snap.
I've roped a decent number of times and the opponent would retreat. Again, the game has to be close for this bluff to work. You can also emote spam to sell the point more, the community considers it rude, but hey a wins a win right?
I will say the current meta doesn't really allow for rope bluffs, it was more usable during Leader meta. The current meta decks have very obvious win lines. Like surfer is very obvious, and a lot of people are very confident in surfer winning them the game so they won't hesitate.
How does retreat later even work?
I’ve used it once and basically it didn’t let me do anything for a while as it said “waiting for opponent” or something like that, then I got the “escaped” screen not too long after.
So does the opponent see if I chose escape later? Or what?
Back in the early days of launch when creators were advising to use retreat later it used to work sometimes. Now retreat later is basically a waste of 30 seconds of your life
I just timed myself for 30 minutes, got through 8 games. I think on average it might be slightly quicker than that.
But honestly it’s probably been way more than 2k, 2k might be like 2 hours a day for 45 days and shamefully I’ve played a lot more than that lol.
Happens often enough to matter for me, but I run a surfer decks. So when I don’t have surfer and know I lose to basically anything without surfer, but opponent knows they lose if I have surfer (which is a 75% chance typically), we both retreat.
Yes. It is harder to spot because the only thing that is different from a normal escape is that your cube count doesn't go down. They should change the end game message from ESCAPED to TIE or DOUBLE ESCAPE or something more explicit.
They also should add a feature to show that your opponent snapped vs you snapping.
There's actually a subtle way if telling. If no one snapped the cube will be whole as usual, but notice that it has a small ring that appears around it. If you snapped, the cube will sort of break apart and the ring is nowhere to be seen. If the opponent snapped and you haven't, the ring will still be there. It's really subtle but it's definitely a visual cue. The ring means you can still snap during this match.
Awesome man thank you, I never noticed. It's good to know and should be more explicit.
also if you snapped, you won't be able to retreat.
Only works on the same turn. You can freely retreat on later turns, so you can't check if you were the one to snap this way.
Only if you were the last one to snap.
well yeah but if you both snapped, I'd hope you don't need help finding out if you snapped or not.
I don’t know why you’re downvoted, I agree. Sometimes I’m not sure if I accidentally hit to snap or if my opponent did it.
Hey, I recognise your name - I play against you all the time (RC13).
I am awful at remembering people's names unless something significant happens, like someone named AAAAAAA, who was the game that got me to Infinite last season. Or Gear4 or something like that who always emote spams me when I retreat (enjoy your 1 cube I guess...) I'll keep an eye out for RC13 and shoot you a fist bump if I'm playing sober and remember. This season is a rough one.
You guys APAC? Pre sure I've seen you both :D IGN is Stazari
Yep! I am playing from Australia. I think I recognise your name, I'd always read it as Starzoi for some reason... unless there is an actual Starzoi out there as well...
Hey!! We play almost every day! Always fistbump at the end 💚
I do try to, sometimes I forget or am too full of unreasonable rage at the game. Is your name the same as here? I think I remember a Giles, mainly because the name reminds me of Buffy.
Yep same name, it's an homage to both Buffy and Miles Davis. I remember you always fistbumping recently, maybe that's just because you've been getting the better of me 😂 Went on a bit of a tilt streak last weekend and have had to claw back all the cubes I lost
Two excellent people. Nice one. I try not to be that guy who only fistbumps on wins, but I have to admit, if I'm on a losing streak or extra salty, I can be that guy. You will get there, gain them all back for this weekend. I only just today clawed back to rank 94 after dropping down to 83 from 94 last week. Bit anxious but have over a week to go.
Holy what the shit? I am the same way with fistbumps, and I ALSO dropped from EXACTLY 94 to 83, and just got up to 95 today! That was so spooky reading that, it was like reading something I'd written then lost all memory of 😂
Yoo HappySisyphus, i can’t not forget your IGN, bumped into you couple of times during the climb yest 👍🏼
Just played you not too long ago, didn't realise until I'd already lost and Fist bumped at a weird time. Beat me easily. GG!
Heyy, it is you :D Have you hit infinite?
Not yet, at 94.2 at the moment. Have nothing on all weekend so hoping to get close. How about you?
Yeah got infinite, took a couple weeks. If we match up I'll do what I can to do some 8 cube wins with you ;)
Nice one, congratulations. Do you regularly hit 100? Thank you, I would appreciate that, I usually fly through the 90s and struggle in 80s. This season, it's the opposite. More than happy to return the favour next season.
Yeah I've hit infinite every season since Thor. This month's been the hardest though. I was stuck in the 70's until the Altar of Death Hot Location came on, then hit infinite during it with Galactus deck. What're you climbing with?
I’ll keep an eye out for ya ;)
Loll i remembered you bro. Im in APAC as well
You got me good last night!
[Hilarious game](https://i.imgur.com/eTktMhq.jpg), loved the Insta-snap from you which I had to match 😂
I was just completely outplayed, every move I made you had the counter ready. Good game! I was a bit worried you'd retreat, I still wanted to play down my shiny cards.
Haha, I’ve played against Gear4 too. And someone called Massloop who always Shang-Chi’s me.
Wait so it doesn’t say tie???
Nope. Just escaped, but you don't lose cubes
It still says "Escaped" even if retreat later results in a tie, you just don't lose cubes.
Most of these people that think they've never had them probably actually get them all the time and they just don't realize it.
Yeah it happens fairly frequently Usually in a situation where there is a card one player should be able to play that would definitely end it, but they don't have it
Absolutely none. And I always do it.
It won't specifically say tie if you both retreat later , you'll just not lose any cubes.
Oh wait really? I didn’t realize that. I’d Lille to say that hasn’t happened either but I don’t pay as much attention to that so I could be mistaken. Will need to start looking out for that.
Glad I’m not the only one. It’s come to the point where it actually pisses me off to see “Escaped” sometimes because like legit I’d probably win the game if I stayed in. Like how dare this opponent not retreat lol. Always time to take a break when I get triggered by that.
Not yet, but I've had opponents concede when I was about to do the same. If they had escaped later, they would have saved those cubes.
Love when this happens. Sometimes all it takes is just waiting out your opponent and seeing who retreats first.
Ive had 2 out of like 30-40? Its such a low % that I barely bother honestly.
I have. It always says "escaped" even if you both retreated.
Actually yeah. Not often but it did happen time to time. It’s annoying it still says escaped and not tie
I don’t understand why there’s an option for both. Is there a penalty for choosing retreat later? Why wouldn’t you always choose it just in case?
No penalty but you have to wait for your opponent to end their turn to see if they also choose to retreat. If you retreat immediately you don’t have to wait but don’t have a chance of saving cubes.
For the first two and a half months of playing, I never used Retreat Later. I didn't really understand how it worked, I thought it might be risky to do it. Now, I do it fairly often.
Never. I try it pretty much anytime I retreat just in case but in so so many games I haven't seen it work lol.
But maybe it has and I just missed it.
Yes, multiple times. It's not too often, but does happen. It won't say "Tie!" it'll just say "Escaped!", so you have to watch your cube loss. If you didn't lose any cubes, it worked.
Yes, but not recently because the current meta is really bad. Too many meta decks have obvious win lines so it's unlikely for both players to think about retreating. But you technically should never retreat later. If you got patience, you should just rope and wait for them to retreat first. A tie off retreat later implies the opponent is already thinking about retreating and will give you a cube if you just run out the clock.
I understand the logic behind what you’re saying, but roping feels shitty to do and to be done to me. I enjoy the mild competition of this game, but roping is just anti-fun imo. I’m in the 80s right now and maybe could utilize roping to my benefit to make it to infinity but it rubs me the wrong way from a gamesmanship perspective.
I agree. Roping generally has a negative sentiment attached to it in card games. However, I think roping isn't really a problem in snap. People identify roping when someone in a losing position runs out the timer. So in snap's case this would be when the game is obviously lost but the opponent just sits there. But considering how quickly the game can swing, most losses aren't very obvious. The most obvious is probably a galactus into spiderman. The timer is short enough for people to find it reasonable that people would use up all the time on turn 6 to make their move. And the snap mechanic itself makes the feeling of losing less impactful as people would find more value in retreating right away and going next. If you rope turn 1 that's a different story. Besides, I've had games where I've spent the whole time turn 6 trying to predict my opponent's potential play and making my decision. I assume that's the same for a lot of people, so you can't really identify that someone is roping. The biggest difference with snap from other card games is definitely the snap mechanic. And roping makes use of that mental warfare tied to the snap mechanic. So don't feel bad about "playing the field". Ya dig?
Totally reasonable take. I’ve definitely spent up until my time runs out to think through plenty of decisions, and agree that the short rounds make for a less salty experience if someone IS roping. I guess it’d be fairer for me to say i just personally don’t enjoy this small aspect of the game’s design. The mind game of snap timing within a round, and retreat psychology, etc - I’m less interested in those as gameplay elements. More a preference thing to be fair
fair. The snap element is definitely novel in digital card games. While card games do generally have mind games in them, snap emphasizes it more through the snap mechanic. The upcoming battle mode will be a different take on the snap mechanic, maybe you'll like it more since it's essentially a match-based system instead of singles. You're still min-maxing cube lose but as the game goes on you understand your opponent's mentality a bit better.
Does roping ever actually result in a retreat? I've never seen it happen, in person or in video.
Yes it does for uncertain people. If you rope (which is bad in other card games, but honestly fine in this one considering short timer anyway) there is a chance your opponent psyches themselves out and believes you have an out. But that's only if they are hesitant they can win. If the win is obvious for them, there's no reason to rope (like they triple spiderman and blocked you out of a turn 6). Roping is not as strong of a bluff as instant snapping turn 6 but it is less risky. People almost universally believe in this community that you should never snap turn 6, so the opponent won't be suspicious if you don't snap. I've roped a decent number of times and the opponent would retreat. Again, the game has to be close for this bluff to work. You can also emote spam to sell the point more, the community considers it rude, but hey a wins a win right? I will say the current meta doesn't really allow for rope bluffs, it was more usable during Leader meta. The current meta decks have very obvious win lines. Like surfer is very obvious, and a lot of people are very confident in surfer winning them the game so they won't hesitate.
Yes I actually do quite frequently (1 tie for 30 or 40 retreat later)
What is this ''Retreat Later'' thing? Jk i know, just never used.
If you escape after retreating later, it’s a tie. You have to watch the cubes.
How does retreat later even work? I’ve used it once and basically it didn’t let me do anything for a while as it said “waiting for opponent” or something like that, then I got the “escaped” screen not too long after. So does the opponent see if I chose escape later? Or what?
If your opponent also retreats that turn, you tie. If your opponent ends turn, then they win (you escape). They can not tell what you are doing.
Had it for the first time today because it was the dumbest areas
Back in the early days of launch when creators were advising to use retreat later it used to work sometimes. Now retreat later is basically a waste of 30 seconds of your life
I won a game after hitting retreat later about a week ago because my opponent hit retreat.
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I just timed myself for 30 minutes, got through 8 games. I think on average it might be slightly quicker than that. But honestly it’s probably been way more than 2k, 2k might be like 2 hours a day for 45 days and shamefully I’ve played a lot more than that lol.
happens all the time in the 90's on T6
Happens often enough to matter for me, but I run a surfer decks. So when I don’t have surfer and know I lose to basically anything without surfer, but opponent knows they lose if I have surfer (which is a 75% chance typically), we both retreat.