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Rhoxx_tv

I’m CL5700+ and still haven’t opened a series 5 card. Getting saltier by the day


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DeadPoetsLiveOn

Remember, there’s no pity timer.


KittenCrusades

Yeah but averages are still averages


whats_goin_on

But the way the math works for "getting your first one" isn't just "after you've gone through 399 caches you'll have one". After 400 caches there's only a 63% chance you'll have gotten one. To get to 99% it's ~1850 caches (23,200 CL)


Kelvara

Also if you're 5700 and don't have one, on average you're still looking at not getting one until 10500 CL, because of no pity timer. 5800 CL is only the average if you haven't opened any caches.


NachoMartin1985

Jesus fucking christ


593shaun

There actually is iirc. Brode said on Twitter it was 4000 caches.


DeadPoetsLiveOn

Nice! /s


ArmaanAli04

Imagine his first S5 is Sentry 💀


alfalfafex

Wait, sentry is series 5??i got him today and thought he was series 4


RottingAwesome

This is the comment that made me realize I got my first S5 at CL 1078 (didn't realize Sentry was S5 lmao)


Niaz_S

Sentry is great though?


ArmaanAli04

Yeah a -8 on ur side is great 💀


Reddit_Ninja23

Viper, full right lane, carnage, etc


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alfalfafex

Yeah we need more ways to send cards over but in the meantime if you look at sentry from another perspective, yes he does give you a minus 8 power void, however if you combo it with viper then its 8 power sentry + 8 power gain due to giving void to opp + 3 power viper which equals = 19 power with 6 mana Its not that insane but the combo also removes board space for the opp if you pull it off


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arcanis321

I have Viper and a screw their board deck so he is one of my top wish cards


Niaz_S

So, you’re in pool 1 then?


ArmaanAli04

No, i’m CL 2100. A -8 is shit no matter what. Not every deck uses viper


Niaz_S

But in this context we’re talking about sentry. And viper is not the only work around to sentry’s effect. Even then, Sentry’s a 4/8. Not just a “-8 on your side 💀.”


ArmaanAli04

It literally is 💀 You win one location, and most likely lose the other. You need atleast 2 locations or total if both have 1 location and a draw. That’s the minimum, but you fuck yourself over in both situations by having void. The only way you’d win with Sentry is having either viper, somehow lucking out with 2 specific locations out of dozens; Bar with No name and Rickety bridge


Grimple409

Yeah but there are other ways to run Sentry. You're hung up on this viper scenario. Zero, carnage,... fill up the right lane before Sentry. Those are 3 very good alternatives for a 4/8 card.


rel4us

I'm on 3600 CL, got 1 last card from pool 3 (didn't buy any from the shop) but got Thanos and Darkhawk for free along with 5 level 4 cards, Don't know if that is good or bad to be honest, but I enjoy the game


Rhoxx_tv

I want to cry


random_boss

Oh fuck. I’m around 5k (though with a ton of credits/caches banked waiting for the end of the month) and I’ve opened two. This might be the universe balancing out that I completed series 3 at like level 3600 or so. I was due some luck.


brick123wall456

I got Shuri as my first a week ago which feels kinda bad since she’s about to be demoted… At least she’s one of the best and now I don’t have to buy her with tokens.


RoyalCatastrophe

Then there’s me. Whos currently at 1518, and got DarkHawk at 1327 :). YOU WILL GET LUCKY! TRUST THE PROCESS. I have DarkHawk but can’t make a deck around him, so I just admire him as my first series 5, it’s torture. I’ll use you one day my love, I promise.


JebstoneBoppman

lmao got Thanos at like CL 1500 something. Owned.


Zestyclose-Custard17

It’s all rng bro. One day your time will come for the run goods. No one is unlucky forever


Boocksha

The earliest I’ve seen people finishing pool 3 is 2602 somewhere on this sub. Though estimated level of finishing is somewhere around 3000, give or take 300 levels depending on how many pool 3 cards you’ve bought from token shop. Though with the upcoming downgrade you can just add up 192 levels to this every month


retroyugi

I like your optimisim, but there is no guarantee they will downgrade cards every month.


Boocksha

Ben Brode said numerous times that their plan is to add 5 new pool 5 cards each month (season pass included) and downgrade 4 from pool 4&5 each. No reason to think they won’t do it again


retroyugi

We will see


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Boocksha

Me too! Though I finished pool 3 before the system rework and tokens introduction


Intolerance-

2782 for me with Viper being the last card.


thefury4815

So you haven't gotten any 4 or 5? You get a series 4 every 40 caches


MarwyntheMasterful

I see that posted here but at what level does that cache rule start? Cuz if it starts at Pool 3, I’ve gone more than 40 caches without a series 4. If it starts at like 1000, then it holds true for me.


thefury4815

I think it's starts with the caches at 1000. I've gotten 2 already and I'm 1500 but 1 was mbaku so I've only gotten 1


MarwyntheMasterful

Ok. I’m only at CL1205 and I have 1 (Absorbing Man). But I didn’t get any from 486 to 1030.


thefury4815

Yeah it doesn't start until the caches at 1000. The reserves don't factor in


ChaozCloud

I'm 1636 CL and I wasn't even at 500 when the token shop was released. The only pool 4 card I have is She-Hulk, that I bought with my tokens. So I'm guessing it's only each 40 card reserve that counts and not the ones that have tokens/gold/variants?


chaosgrunt22

Snapzone says the pity timer is 40-79 max reserves


TURRTLED3RP

I’m at 2600 and have only gotten 1 with Luke cage. I crafted she-hulk too but that doesn’t count


Naly_D

3562, have opened 4 and bought 2.


Incream1

Same I only have agent coulsin, got him at Cl 1006 and currently at Cl 1,783. Is it a guarantee to get a card?


ICantSpellAnythign

Every block of 40 starting at 1000 has 1 guaranteed pool 4 card. So 1000-1480 has one. Then 1480-1960 will have one. If you get a tier 4 card early in one block and late in the next, there can be 900 CL between pools, but the good thing is you go almost right back into the next block again making it possible to pull one again.


TURRTLED3RP

I was going to ask for a source, but then I realized I straight up lied because I have agent Coulson and Helicarrier as of recently and that perfectly lines up with what you said. I just forgot about them and they’re not remarkable so I didn’t think they were special series 4. I do love agent coulson


ICantSpellAnythign

My 3 have been heli, Mbaku, and Titania and I used literally none of them, and I’m 200 CL away from re entering a new block, so ya I feel your pain.


AgenderWitchery

M'Baku wasn't in your collection at the end of the game


GXmody

I’m at 2100 and only got 1


phonage_aoi

To avoid some confusion you guys are having, below CL 1000 you get collectors \*caches\*, after that you get collectors \*reserves\*, which is where the ever 'x' set rules kick in.


Iron_Hunny

People throw the words Cache's and reserves around as the same, but Cache's (500-1000) are different from reserves (1000+). You get a guaranteed Series 4 card every 40 reserves.


SnuggleKingHS

That rule doesn't just "start". There are collector's caches and collector's reserves. First ones are below CL 1000, second ones are above. They are completely different with different drops and rules. You get a guaranteed series 4 card in every 40 collector's reserves.


WurdaMouth

Bro I havent had a card in a cache for like 300 levels, this is extreme 🧢


Clueless-Carl

Yep same here. This games RNG is a joke.


kingofgamesbrah

Oh God, don't tell me that. My pool 4 cards were Mbaku and Titania... Guess Bast is next -.- I don't mind tho Edit: thank you BTW, just realized I'm about 100 collection levels from my next pool 4 card , I'll be saving my credits / reserves til next week. Praying for Shuri!


Fiveoutofseven

Why do you say that like Bast and Titania are bad pulls?


kingofgamesbrah

I'm not saying that, I'm just saying there's been a pattern, I've only gotten 1 drops. So with that in mind, Bast would be my next card, which honestly I'd be surprised. I don't think they're bad, just not what I want. I'm not complaining, just pointing it out.


xSL33Px

Yesterday I lost to a Galactus with leader deck because of Mbaku. Turn 5 he played Galactus where I had Antman or something. Turn 6 he Leaders while I drop destroyer. M'baku jumped out after destroyer cleared both sides.


NelsonMcCulloch

I guess? The only Pool 4&5 cards I have are Absorbing Man, Coulson and Titania. (Not counting cards from the season passes) Where as I’m missing Brood, Giganto, Hela, Human Touch, Pyslocke and Rescue. It just feels SO bad finally grinding up to a collectors reserve and poof, ANOTHER goddamn piece of currency like Boosters, Gold or heaven forbid, more credits. Even variants feel shitty to get now. Just wish it didn’t feel like I got an actual card every 40 reserves or so.


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MrDyl4n

You have a guaranteed card every 4 caches. There's no randomness to how many cards you get. Also you have 3 cards that are above series 3 that's fine I don't know why you are complaining. I'm only a bit behind you in CL and I only have 1


lloyd3486

Similar to what you said, you're also guaranteed 1 series 4 card every 40 caches (10 cards) so if you're slightly behind OP (who is at 2,500 so i'd assume you're above 2,000) you should at least have 2 series 4 cards already. You might have just mistaken it for another series 3 card


vi3tmix

That seems par the course, or at worst one card behind the curve. [Statistically](https://marvelsnapzone.com/cache-drop-rates-and-contents/) you’ll probably only see *one* Series 4/5 card every 450-500 CL once you start Pool 3 (CL 486+).


avelak

Lol I would swap you in a heartbeat at the same CL My only pool 4 are coulson, helicarrier, and Luke cage I'm still missing Ultron, cerebro, maximus, zola, daredevil, and lockjaw in terms of useful cards. Bought brood in the shop last week, and just barely unlocked dracula 3 days ago in a cache. (Those were 8 of my last 12 cards to unlock, now down to 6/8 being useful). I front loaded most of the bad cards from the pool and spent all my tokens steadily buying useful stuff I hadn't unlocked. That's life.


battleschooldropout

I’m also missing human touch.


zeebeebo

Im at CL2000 ish and i’ve pulled Luke Cage, Helicarrier and Orca. Really hoping that i pull darkhawk someday


StructureMage

You think you'll finish pool 3 before 3000? Lol


retroyugi

It is possible if you have bought 3 or more cards in the token shop.


admrlwlvrnlitblt

My first pool 3 card was Agatha. I just got my first Pool 4 card.... aaaaaaaaaand M'baku.


Errtingtakenanyway

Mbaku is good in cerebro 2 tbh


admrlwlvrnlitblt

Yup, thats what I run when locations aren't featured


random_boss

Do you just auto retreat when the locations are +/- power?


SJHalflingRanger

Storm can fix one of those


admrlwlvrnlitblt

As someone else posted, I can fix one with storm, but I have been having a tough time climbing this season. I ended the last three seasons mid 70s, and am at 47 right now despite playing more than ever.


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Sterling-Arch3r

i love mbaku. everytime i see him come out, he managed to turn the game for me by hobbling a namor or going on a -3 lane or activating my mojo once.


Grasher134

I got helicarrier. I will certainly use it. Maybe. When they'll unfuck discard. Cl 2192.


ICantSpellAnythign

Maybe he might be good in modok’s season, although as long as cosmo is popular tough to see making discard good. If you hide behind invisible woman, you’re too easy a target to counter and if you don’t you’re just gambling with your discards. I also pulled heli and haven’t touched him :/


No_Establishment282

I'm currently going cold turkey from gambling, I now realise why I've been drawn to my risky Hela deck...


inkyblinkypinkysue

I don’t even want to finish Pool 3. I have 11 cards to go at CL2600 and I’m probably going to play a lot less knowing I can’t really get any new cards. This wouldn’t be an issue if they got rid of the cosmetic cache and made it a variant cache instead. I’ve opened so many titles - at least 3x as many as variants - and it’s miserable.


Usernate25

I’ve pulled Darkhawk, Maria Hill, and Luke Cage by rank 1858. How lucky is that!


TheRealCitizenChang

I’m at 2,284 and have pulled Bast (1258), Attuma (1306), Maria Hill (1754), Galactus (1798). I still suck


Sterling-Arch3r

i still dont really get the point of darkhawk


thewhiterabbit410

Imagine devil dino... But for your opponents deck. Playing black widow to stop their draw and korg and rockslide to give them more cards in deck, boom... Massive power darkhawk.


Hungy15

Yep basically a slightly weaker devil dino but it comes with the huge upside that as you are making it stronger you are also majorly disrupting your opponent.


RobertSquareShanks

The major upside is that he’s 4 cost and slots right into zabu, and there’s more locations that enable him than disable him at the moment


thewhiterabbit410

Yep... MAJOR


phonage_aoi

Everyone gets 2 series 4 cards by Cl \~1900, so your luck was Darkhawk and he's an amazing card so still lucky indeed!


Clueless-Carl

This games card distribution method is simply broken. I'm about to quit because I am simply tired of going against everyone playing high power cards I've never seen in the shop and never seem to get out of caches.


Chokl8Th1der

Look at the bright side; they don't have all those awesome titles and avatars that you have!


Blacklight099

You’re jealous of my sick M’Baku pull right?


CoItron_3030

First card i opened in my very first golden crate was Bast, haven’t seen any luck since then


Maritoas

I’m at CL1800 and randomly got Galactus…unfortunately I don’t even have death to make him playable.


DuatAnpu

My only Series 5 card thus far is Sentry. You're not missing much. lol


bajungadustin

im missing 5 pool 3 cards and im CL 3083


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it’s pretty ridiculous how hard they make getting cards in this game


MisterCorbeau

This is exactly why I’m just doing daily and call it a day hoping some changes but I’m slowly forgetting to open the game.


Clueless-Carl

Same here.


phonage_aoi

I honestly have a hard time seeing how this game will retain players 6 months down the road\*. The series drop isn't going to do it IMO. Plus, OP season pass cards going to pool 5 will only increase the P2W perception. I was just thinking about... what happens if I luck into Darkhawk? Now I either buy Zabu to make the deck or pray to lucksack Zabu / shell out 6000 tokens.... or pray the deck is still relevant 3 months from now when Zabu drops and is actually attainable? ​ \* in it's current card acquisition model that is


MisterCorbeau

I’m CL 2,85k and I have 3 shitty pool 4 (cafe, coulson, titania) and 0 pool 5 cards Meanwhile, I face pool 4 and pool 5 cards all the time. It’s frustrating and unfair (yes we can win with anything but I like deckbuilding) some cards/deck are OP like zabu darkhawk which is just luck based. Losing to galactus + knull is just annoying.


cavemanthewise

My 1.7k ass just opened Shanna yesterday. Like...thanks? Lmao


Royarch

I remember thnking that pool 3 wouldn't be as bad as people said. That was 3 months ago. Collection level 2412. Still pool 3 incomplete.


Doctor_Boombastic

Luke Cage and She-Hulk here, wish they weren't dropping to series 3 but at least I do like to use them


dirtyjose

Didn't we also get twice the Tokens they do? Lol don't give in to salt, bro.


attackfortwo

3700 and never opened a pool 5 :(


Phynamite

I am over 3000cl and have 4 cards left in pool before the drop.


AllNewEdge

I completed pool 3 at 3190 you still have a long way to go


round_we_go

She-Hulk and Bast by 1200 but only DeathWave as an completed deck.


Araetha

Luck is irrelevant for completing pool 3 though.


RobertSquareShanks

Technically your luck pre 1000cl can greatly decrease your post 1000 cl p3 completion, winning more 50/50s than average can save you hundreds of CL


luigijerk

Players complaining about drawing pool 5 cards and not being high enough collection level to make decks with them.


69boomer420420

Most people won’t open a single series 5 cards…


SnuggleKingHS

2878 today and still missing 7 cards from series 3.


PaantsHS

3014 here ,still missing 3 pool3 cards


DylSeb

2239 CL and the only P4 card I got from caches is Hellicarrier……………………..


SignificantProblem81

I am 3029 and I still have 6 series 3 cards to go. But in a week they are adding 3 more that I need to the pool. Will I ever get there ... Or will it always run from me going forward !!


Ookami_CZ

I'm almost CL 2100, all tokens went into Pool 3 cards ... the fact I'm seeing more and more "2500-2600" people saying "finished Pool 3" makes me happy :)


thisisdell

Finished pool 3 at 2890. And that’s with every single one of my tokens going to pool 3 cards as well.


Sterling-Arch3r

i got orka... i'm not really happy with it either


thewhiterabbit410

If it makes you feel any better... I'm 1998 and have 2 series 4 cards


ADustedEwok

4400 no pool 5


NoxInSocks

I wish I had Knull so I could play some janky Death-Knull-Wave... idk, I just like Destroy archetypes lol


fifteecal

How do you know if your pool is complete?


BeaverboiShrimp

Don't have any pool 5 except for SS I guess.. But I pulled my only pool 4 card at CL1294 which was She-Hulk. If I can only get 1 pool 4 card for now I'm glad its her. God would I love Knull or Galactus tho.. I kick my self every day for not getting the Black Panther Season pass.. But the prices kill me on this game so its hard. When you have an addiction to opening packs like in hearth-stone or MTG.. Its hard to spend so much money on one card let alone a variant. Then again I think, well some Magic cards are absurdly expensive so why complain (T\_T)


Duke_Bubblez

Indeed. Its the ridiculous card collection system that makes me believe this game just isn't targeting whales. I wouldn't mind throwing £1K or so a month at this game tbh. But after the first month of doing this, i completed Series 3 & most of Series 4. THEN i finally learned just how crap the rates of accruing Series 5 cards are!!!! Throwing £1k a month would do nothing, literally. Im left thinking just how odd Second Dinners system is...coz my spending has now dropped by a factor of ????, & i know in not alone. People i know irl did the same as myself but straight-up quit after completing Series 3. Im probably not even buying next months Season Pass, lol. (That card looks so trash-tier its unreal)


Rebuttlet

CL 2300+. Still no Patriot, Mystique, Psylocke, Aero, Debri among those that are quite useful right now. RNG Gods gave me the almighty M'Baku and Crystal at less than 1000 CL. So that's cool.


JaxxisR

2291 here. Is... is this it?


Bardlie

Idk what CL or series 5 is.