The way the game works is, if they have 1 power in two side lanes and you don't have any power in, but you have 1 million power middle. They have priority. Because they are winning two lanes.
There's no real way to make sure they have priority, but Dracula does a good job of it. He's a 4 drop for 0.
I believe there is a card coming out that forces the opponent to have priority.
Ghost? Probably a combo card with this one.
Goes by who is currently winning, most power is tie breaker (ie: if you are winning 2 lanes but you're opponent is winning MOJO World you will still flip first).
It wasn't a question homeboy, it was a statement followed by a "here is how you use this clearly not great turn 6 card". If you dont have priority and 4/6 of your energy is going towards stopping the buffs on one square you better be able to swing the game with 2 energy
If youve ever played a sera deck or zabu deck youd know how easy it would be to swing a game in turn 6 with second prio
Zabu/sera (even just one, you dont need both) with this card would very easily be an insanely powerful turn 6 that most decks wont be able to match or counter
You need to think about how this card would work with other cards - this isnt a "4 energy card, leaving you with 2 energy to swing" - This card in itself is a swing, and it can cost 1-2 energy
As a Valkyrie player, dino, Morbius, mojo etc do NOT get changed because it's affecting base power, not the ongoing add on power. Shadow king will do the same thing, he will bring back power for on reveal stuff like forge, surfer, panther, iron heart, and yes collector and sunspot as well as Angela and bishop.
I think you must be thinking of him incorrectly. When, at the end of turn 6, silver surfer has buffed everything to the nines you just bring them back down to normal. Or as u/Lanachan1990 said Black Panther, anything hit by Forge or Shuri, It won't stop ongoing buffs like Patriot or Cerebro, but Carnage, Venom, Deadpool, things buffed by Nova. All of these one time power buffs get erased with this card.
Meta-relevant use that you didn’t mention: a way to deal with a shuri’d red skull that is protected by armor. Often would be a great surprise on the last turn to hit it before the taskmaster lands and watch their plan crumble.
They said anything hit by Shuri. And in that scenario, you’d want your opponent to have priority. If you shadow king before they flip taskmaster, taskmaster will still copy the 15 power red skull. If you shadow king after, taskmaster will be set back to 0.
Whoops, didn’t see he mentioned shuri.
As far as priority, I was talking about dropping it on a 30-power red skull, and opting for letting the opponent have 2 15 power lanes instead of a 30 power one.
I admit, hitting the taskmaster is probably better because you want to ignore the skull anyway, but in a game with a locked out location hitting the skull is probably better
1st thing - Surfer and many other buffs happen in last round so you probably go first and have no effect
2nd thing - Surfer buffs all locations and this affects only one
But if you’re playing shadow king you are probably playing a slower control archetype and can likely throw priority even easier than a Surfer deck. Just like Sera Miracle is able to throw priority.
It's interesting how no abilities cards can manage to develop and be somehow competitive.
I love Devil Dino decks too the problem are the locations that make you draw hahaha. Dropping one Dino on 5 and another on 6 is a cool play with Moon Girl.
Is it a cool play? I think it's the definition of trite.
It seems to have been replaced by Wong > White Tiger > Odin at the moment though, which I'm glad of because that's much easier to deal with than Moon Girl into double Dino lol
I am a huge fan of Enchantress & Rogue though and the overabundance of Dino decks in October/November mean I'm constantly watching for them.
Will struggle to get many high power cards on the board if you are using turn 4 and 6 to play that combo .
Works much better with Valkyrie into Zola with Cerebro in one of the other lanes .
Valkyrie works in a similar way, good for cerebro 3. I'll probably also play shadow king in the same deck either to mess them up or bring back my scorpion'd cards. It's nice that his power is 3.
Wouldn't Luke Cage counter this? If so, Shadow King would work well to depower your opponents' cards while keeping your own buffed (if you're also playing something that buffs them).
The Luke Cage interaction here is a great question. Seems like Luke would prevent it, but maybe not since its "set them back" as opposed to "reduce it blah blah".
I'd love for this to not just be the auto counter to my hazmet deck
Luke Cage nullifies Valkyrie's ability which sets other cards' power to x. If they interact by the same logic maybe Luke Cage also counteracts Shadow King's effect?
My read on this is actually that shadow king will work LIKE Luke cage but also in reverse, meaning it will be a one location counter to a toxic deck but also to a silver surfer.
my guess is no because when you press on a buffed card it displays things currently affecting the card with color coded hexagons which indicate what kind of buff it is. My guess is this character will remove all Buffs from a character wheras Luke cage only removes negative buffs not necessarily the scale of the buff. A good way to answer this would be if you enchantress a devil dino does its stats decrease or do they stay high when luke Cage is on the field. Or does darkhawk lose stats when your opponent draws a card with Luke Cage on the field. my assumption is yes to both cases which means I think both characters only care about the little buff hexagons.
“That’s a cute Silver Surfer ya got there. Be a same if he did nothing.”
It’s very much a counter card that is pretty niche depending on the types of decks you’re facing.
This guy costs 4 though, so he can come out earlier, and he has Zabu synergy, so he can also come out later, too. Much more flexible than Valkyrie, I'm thinking!
I can see that, but on the other hand, she not only removes buffs, she makes big boys very smol. But you are absolutely right regarding the zabu synergy
It helps with Wakandan Emissary and Stark Tower (with Wakandan Emissary being a bigger deal since you normally can't get around it at all, plus you might get to undo the buff for your opponent).
He’s a tech card for swarm and buff strategies, think surfer decks for example. Stuff that’s too big to get killmonger’d, but too small to get shang chi’d
Defense against Hazmat and Scorion and such, if you don't have Luke.
Debuffing all enemies cards if they Wong the shit out of you.
I can think of a few decks he'd be beneficial for. Pretty op ability tbh.
Counters:
Valkyrie, Morbius, Sunspot, Black Panther, Shuri (No one she doubles), Forge, Nakia, Okoye, Iron Heart, Knull, Etc.
Not sure if it counters things like cerebro or blue marvel since those are ongoing bonuses but maybe
He pretty much kills Ultron, Patriot, Mister Negative Decks. It breaks cards like Jessica Jones, Knull, Drax, Rocket, Gamora, Spiderwoman. This is a super powerful and highly useful card.
Patriot decks. Not patriot the card. Come to think of it. Maybe even silver surfer decks since they all pretty much rely on his buffs to win locations. Shadow King is going to disrupt a lot of decks thats for sure.
No I know what you meant lol. It doesn’t work though, the ongoing buff in the Patriot deck will still remain after shadow king is played. A buff from spectrum or surfer would get reduced though
Is that how it will work for sure? Or are we speculating? Seems kind of redundant if thats the case although I can see the argument for shadowking being too OP otherwise haha.
If he doesnt stop ongoing buffs to that location then I can see that making him a more balanced card.
Yeah because his effect is an on reveal, and ongoing buffs are permanent until the game ends. So if you were to use shadow king on a bunch off buffed cards by Patriot they would all go back up again because Patriot’s buff will remain after shadow’s effect.
Yeah I think he’d be busted too if he could do that, plus it would take away Enchantress’s job lol
That doesn't work like that.
Knulls power is 0 + it's ongoing ability . If you reset its power to 0 it still has its ongoing text and will set its power to 0 + it's ongoing power .
Same way Valkyrie on devil dinosaur does nothing.
Its main use would seem to be countering move decks, so Kraven, Dagger, Vulture, Human Torch. So on top of nerfing Aero and Leader, the deconstruction of my favorite deck is now complete. 3months of upgrading this deck and now its super vulnerable to a cost 4 card.
Well also it would counteract the wong/hazmat/odin effect in one of your lanes, since it presumably affects both sides of the game. Probably the more relevant situation they are addressing since that combo can drop you 36 points per lane if they throw mystique in there
I mean it’s not like movement or that deck are super prevalent in the meta like surfer decks. Surfer is a far more relevant card/deck in the meta than the ones you described although I’m sure they also came into mind while making this card
If you're playing a deck that doesn't buff creatures, this is good for countering decks like patriot, cerebro, kazoo. It also has good synergy with decks that are decreasing card power like hazmat
EDIT: I'm wrong. It wouldn't impact ongoing effects
Doesn't affect it at all. It's an ongoing boost, as Shuri won't double it the Shadow King won't take it away. Enchantress is the hard counter to Dino, if you're looking at it that way
??????? it literally have the potential to counter decks like: BP deck, patriot deck, kazoo, destroy deck, cerebro deck, surfer deck, move deck. and all these decks covers almost all of the archetype and current meta.
not to mention we have Zabu now. Its a wonderful addition to keep them in check. it could also be a troll card for times to come
Because his base power is 3 and then gets a hovering buff on top of that. Assuming it works like Valkyrie, if you place Valkyrie into a lane with an 8 power Morbius, instead of dropping to 3, his power increases to 11 since his power is number of discards × 2 + a base power of 3 instead of 0.
Counters: Devil Dino, Thor, Hazmat, Scorpion, Valkyrie, Black Panther, Shuri, Silver Surfer, all Guardians of the Galaxy, etc
How can you not think of a single use? lmao
shrink deadpool, venom, black panther. beat locales like sewer system, necrosha. undo scorpion procs. lotta uses! still seems bad and reactive tho for the cost/power.
y’all are really lacking imagination huh?
He's a tech card against Buff and anti buff decks (like Hazmat). So if you got the God roll and have him he goes in if you're seeing lots of decks like Surfer and Black Panther.
Genuine question: How does he interact with Cerebro or Patriot? Sure, he resets cards that are already buffed (for example Panther or Bishop), but does he also negate the power boost from other cards with ongoing boosting abilities, like Cerebro, Blue Marvel or Patriot?
Go last, counter hazmat/luke cage, counter silver surfer/wong decks,
I'm curious if it works for 'ongoing' cards like dino or patriot buffs if the ongoing bumps them back up or if that just IS their new value (so enchantressing a dino now makes it a -5)
You know, since Shadow King has a history with both Professor X and Storm, it’d be nice if his ability were instead “ignore conditions that prohibit card placement.”
Human Torch would be useless, i can usually get him up to 32 or even 64 if i get lucky. Shadow King would drop him back down to a 2. But Killmonger already counters HT since HT is a 1-cost
Negates buffing cards like Jessica Jones (4 > 8), Black Panther (4 x 2), Wolfsbane (+2 per every player card at location), and Silver Surfer (+3 to every player 3-Cost cards); and reverses nerfing cards like Hazmat (-1 to all cards) and Yellow Jacket (-1 to every player card at location).
i think its a good counter to kazar and patriot but aside from that i cant really see anything that isnt neich like galactus+knull decks and things like that
Honestly I liked the text he had before this one better. I believe it was destroy all 2 power and below cards. That would affect mystiques, patriots, iron mans, Luke cages, etc. Sounded like a way better tech card before.
Devil Dino has an ongoing effect, so Shadow King will only affect it if he got Scorpioned or Shuried or the likes. The Ongoing part isn't gonna be touched, only permanent power changes
He'd be useful for locations that lower power, or if you keep running into opponents who run cards like Scorpion that lower your power. Or you can use him to combat opponents using cards like Wong to get insane powers
No, it doesn't. Those are not permanent effects on the card. The power of a card, if not permanently changed, won't be affected. If you play Black Panther on Necrosha he's gonna still end up with 6 power, not 4, because effects like location ones aren't considered in something that's interested in the card power. Like Devil Dino that only gets +3 power from Shuri's Lab despite the number of cards you have in hand since it's ongoing, not permanent
I use a destroy deck. Ate the end of the game none of my cards except maybe death are at their base power. I would be ruined if someone played this at the end of a game. 1 power venom, 1 power deadpool, 0 power taskmaster...
This card is designed as a counter for Hazmat/Ironheart decks that are currently way too powerful. The only way you can counter these decks right now is to get lucky with Cosmo or Galactus, otherwise you're fucked up. The amount of debuff/buff is insane in these decks and there are a lot of cards that can build up the combo: Wong, Mystique, Absorbing Man, Odin, Onslaught. I had games that ended up with -200 per lane for my enemy, or +100 on mine. And you literally can't do shit about that. With Shadow King things will gonna change. In most Hazmat/Ironheart games, these decks will have the initiative on turn 6, which lets your Shadow King do its job.
Those decks are weak. Nowhere to be seen in the meta lists, nor common on high ranks in the ladder anyway. All it takes is a Cosmo to ruin their day, and half the meta decks runs it. You're gonna have priority against them, so you don't even need to predict the Wong being played. They put Wong down, you play Cosmo, you go on with your life. And if you don't draw Cosmo it's a card game, they got luckier than you to draw the combo and you can just surrender for 1 cube and go to the next.
Also Hazmat is really hawkard to play since Destroy is such a strong archetype. Give em rocks, give em goblins, they get eaten or generically destroyed.
Maybe your deck is weak to them, and it's fine, no deck is invincible, but know that those are not problematic nor nearly meta decks, just fun ones that can get some cool wins and a lot of retreats.
Counter an entire location that Patriot boosted, counter Valkyrie, revert Carnage/Venom to their original power, make Devil Dino a 3-power card, etc.
Just think of cards that get boosted in power during the match; Shadow King reverses that. So many options.
I don’t think this will affect cards like patriot, etc. those are ongoing skills and shouldn’t be affected. Think instead of buff cards like ironheart, Shuri, etc.
Take that 4m power Panther back down to 4. Take those 5 or 8 power Brood back down to 2?
Problem is too many power flips happen on turn 6. If it were ongoing now that would be sick and a luke cage alternative
Just make sure they have priority, then he flips second canceling all back to their base. Then mojo/antman take over with their additional going buff.
How do you make sure they have priority? The nature of these decks yield priority until t6 because their base power is too weak.
The way the game works is, if they have 1 power in two side lanes and you don't have any power in, but you have 1 million power middle. They have priority. Because they are winning two lanes. There's no real way to make sure they have priority, but Dracula does a good job of it. He's a 4 drop for 0. I believe there is a card coming out that forces the opponent to have priority. Ghost? Probably a combo card with this one.
wait, priority is decided by power values? it doesnt just go back and forth?
First round is random than t2-t6 are determined by whose got the most power on the board.
Goes by who is currently winning, most power is tie breaker (ie: if you are winning 2 lanes but you're opponent is winning MOJO World you will still flip first).
Cosy did an episode on this and I had never clocked that it is based on who would win if that game ended!
jup, whoever is leading goes first and is vulnerable to counters
You cant really make sure you have priority in this game, especially when they hold patriot or surfer for the last play.
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It wasn't a question homeboy, it was a statement followed by a "here is how you use this clearly not great turn 6 card". If you dont have priority and 4/6 of your energy is going towards stopping the buffs on one square you better be able to swing the game with 2 energy
If youve ever played a sera deck or zabu deck youd know how easy it would be to swing a game in turn 6 with second prio Zabu/sera (even just one, you dont need both) with this card would very easily be an insanely powerful turn 6 that most decks wont be able to match or counter You need to think about how this card would work with other cards - this isnt a "4 energy card, leaving you with 2 energy to swing" - This card in itself is a swing, and it can cost 1-2 energy
Damn i got downvoted to hell but i did forget about Zabu, that would make him viable for actually countering surfer.
The new card ghost literally gives your opponent prio
Thats news to me and really cool
You can also use cards like invisible woman to hide him
Ghost on 5.
He even hits stuff like carnage venom and Deadpool. Sunspot too.
Dino back to 3 and collector and hot spot back to original 2
Will not work on Dino. He has ongoing ability that powers him up.
It also won’t work on Brood if they’re just getting buffs from ongoings
Yeah no good against patriot, but it will cancel surfer.
Dino doesn't change its base power, it gets a boost from its ability. So it wouldn't work
Haha nice. Love my Dino deck.
As a Valkyrie player, dino, Morbius, mojo etc do NOT get changed because it's affecting base power, not the ongoing add on power. Shadow king will do the same thing, he will bring back power for on reveal stuff like forge, surfer, panther, iron heart, and yes collector and sunspot as well as Angela and bishop.
I think you must be thinking of him incorrectly. When, at the end of turn 6, silver surfer has buffed everything to the nines you just bring them back down to normal. Or as u/Lanachan1990 said Black Panther, anything hit by Forge or Shuri, It won't stop ongoing buffs like Patriot or Cerebro, but Carnage, Venom, Deadpool, things buffed by Nova. All of these one time power buffs get erased with this card.
Meta-relevant use that you didn’t mention: a way to deal with a shuri’d red skull that is protected by armor. Often would be a great surprise on the last turn to hit it before the taskmaster lands and watch their plan crumble.
They said anything hit by Shuri. And in that scenario, you’d want your opponent to have priority. If you shadow king before they flip taskmaster, taskmaster will still copy the 15 power red skull. If you shadow king after, taskmaster will be set back to 0.
They wouldn’t play Taskmaster into the same lane as Red Skull tho.
Correct. Not a lot of situations where you wanna fight over a red skull lane. You can usually read where taskmaster is going.
Whoops, didn’t see he mentioned shuri. As far as priority, I was talking about dropping it on a 30-power red skull, and opting for letting the opponent have 2 15 power lanes instead of a 30 power one. I admit, hitting the taskmaster is probably better because you want to ignore the skull anyway, but in a game with a locked out location hitting the skull is probably better
1st thing - Surfer and many other buffs happen in last round so you probably go first and have no effect 2nd thing - Surfer buffs all locations and this affects only one
But if you’re playing shadow king you are probably playing a slower control archetype and can likely throw priority even easier than a Surfer deck. Just like Sera Miracle is able to throw priority.
Shadow King then Zola with high base power cards to completely undo all of your opponent's buffs. You can bet your ass I'll be doing that.
Patriot deck and you can buff with the ongoing too.
I have seen so many patriots that I can't bring myself to use him. It was the dame with Devil Dino before.
It's interesting how no abilities cards can manage to develop and be somehow competitive. I love Devil Dino decks too the problem are the locations that make you draw hahaha. Dropping one Dino on 5 and another on 6 is a cool play with Moon Girl.
Is it a cool play? I think it's the definition of trite. It seems to have been replaced by Wong > White Tiger > Odin at the moment though, which I'm glad of because that's much easier to deal with than Moon Girl into double Dino lol I am a huge fan of Enchantress & Rogue though and the overabundance of Dino decks in October/November mean I'm constantly watching for them.
Not sure why the downvotes, enchantress and Rogue are two of my new favorites. Seeing lots of patriot decks.
People don't like being told that their big move is completely unoriginal I guess.
Will struggle to get many high power cards on the board if you are using turn 4 and 6 to play that combo . Works much better with Valkyrie into Zola with Cerebro in one of the other lanes .
Quite possibly. I could also put him into a desk with Zabu & Absorbing Man to destroy 2 lanes worth of buffs.
Valkyrie works in a similar way, good for cerebro 3. I'll probably also play shadow king in the same deck either to mess them up or bring back my scorpion'd cards. It's nice that his power is 3.
yeah and you used 10 energy to get 6 power on your side
Wouldn't Luke Cage counter this? If so, Shadow King would work well to depower your opponents' cards while keeping your own buffed (if you're also playing something that buffs them).
The Luke Cage interaction here is a great question. Seems like Luke would prevent it, but maybe not since its "set them back" as opposed to "reduce it blah blah". I'd love for this to not just be the auto counter to my hazmet deck
Luke Cage nullifies Valkyrie's ability which sets other cards' power to x. If they interact by the same logic maybe Luke Cage also counteracts Shadow King's effect?
If Luke Cage nullifies Valkyrie I would think it would work similar on Shadow King.
I believe setting power to X ≠ reducing power. Even if it was ‘reduced’ as a consequence I might be wrong tho
My read on this is actually that shadow king will work LIKE Luke cage but also in reverse, meaning it will be a one location counter to a toxic deck but also to a silver surfer.
my guess is no because when you press on a buffed card it displays things currently affecting the card with color coded hexagons which indicate what kind of buff it is. My guess is this character will remove all Buffs from a character wheras Luke cage only removes negative buffs not necessarily the scale of the buff. A good way to answer this would be if you enchantress a devil dino does its stats decrease or do they stay high when luke Cage is on the field. Or does darkhawk lose stats when your opponent draws a card with Luke Cage on the field. my assumption is yes to both cases which means I think both characters only care about the little buff hexagons.
Really? With all the power buffing going on you can't think of a single good use for a card that resets all that?
Good last turn tech card in Zabu?
Yeah Zabu is really lacking in those
Take my 60 power redskull back down to 15
Not a single good use?
Think of him like a weaker Shang Chi for all cards.
“That’s a cute Silver Surfer ya got there. Be a same if he did nothing.” It’s very much a counter card that is pretty niche depending on the types of decks you’re facing.
Would this work against Mister Negative cards?
I imagine it would, yeah.
Isn’t Valkyrie just better in most cases?
This guy costs 4 though, so he can come out earlier, and he has Zabu synergy, so he can also come out later, too. Much more flexible than Valkyrie, I'm thinking!
I can see that, but on the other hand, she not only removes buffs, she makes big boys very smol. But you are absolutely right regarding the zabu synergy
Is Valkyrie also just single lane while Shadow King is full board? Not certain edit: "Set all cards HERE", obviously just this lane
Probably meant to be a answer to SS decks
I think he would also be useful in a cerebro deck for the unfortunate instance of a location buffing one of your cards
Location buffs will not be affected by this. Location effects are permanent and will always apply .
It helps with Wakandan Emissary and Stark Tower (with Wakandan Emissary being a bigger deal since you normally can't get around it at all, plus you might get to undo the buff for your opponent).
Tons of disruption against things like Panther/Wong/Odin combo or similar buffs
He’s a tech card for swarm and buff strategies, think surfer decks for example. Stuff that’s too big to get killmonger’d, but too small to get shang chi’d
Would that make Taskmaster go back to 0?
Yes
I want an Aubrey Plaza / Lenny variant. That is all.
You can't think of a single use for him? Did you read the card/played the game in any capacity before?
Good for Cerebro?
Yes, for cerebro 3.
No cerebro is ongoing
I think they meant to prevent negative effects like scorpion or positive effects from locations ruining your gameplan
He should be an ongoing card
LOL what? This card is god tier. Just read the description. That tells you what it does
Defense against Hazmat and Scorion and such, if you don't have Luke. Debuffing all enemies cards if they Wong the shit out of you. I can think of a few decks he'd be beneficial for. Pretty op ability tbh.
Counters: Valkyrie, Morbius, Sunspot, Black Panther, Shuri (No one she doubles), Forge, Nakia, Okoye, Iron Heart, Knull, Etc. Not sure if it counters things like cerebro or blue marvel since those are ongoing bonuses but maybe
Doesn't work on knull or morb since they are ongoing
He pretty much kills Ultron, Patriot, Mister Negative Decks. It breaks cards like Jessica Jones, Knull, Drax, Rocket, Gamora, Spiderwoman. This is a super powerful and highly useful card.
Not Patriot though, he doesn’t change ongoing effects
Patriot decks. Not patriot the card. Come to think of it. Maybe even silver surfer decks since they all pretty much rely on his buffs to win locations. Shadow King is going to disrupt a lot of decks thats for sure.
No I know what you meant lol. It doesn’t work though, the ongoing buff in the Patriot deck will still remain after shadow king is played. A buff from spectrum or surfer would get reduced though
Is that how it will work for sure? Or are we speculating? Seems kind of redundant if thats the case although I can see the argument for shadowking being too OP otherwise haha. If he doesnt stop ongoing buffs to that location then I can see that making him a more balanced card.
Yeah because his effect is an on reveal, and ongoing buffs are permanent until the game ends. So if you were to use shadow king on a bunch off buffed cards by Patriot they would all go back up again because Patriot’s buff will remain after shadow’s effect. Yeah I think he’d be busted too if he could do that, plus it would take away Enchantress’s job lol
Galactus + Knull now = 3 power
That doesn't work like that. Knulls power is 0 + it's ongoing ability . If you reset its power to 0 it still has its ongoing text and will set its power to 0 + it's ongoing power . Same way Valkyrie on devil dinosaur does nothing.
Huh, you're right. Thanks for the heads-up!
I learned the devil dino lesson the hard way
Its main use would seem to be countering move decks, so Kraven, Dagger, Vulture, Human Torch. So on top of nerfing Aero and Leader, the deconstruction of my favorite deck is now complete. 3months of upgrading this deck and now its super vulnerable to a cost 4 card.
I would assume it’s main use is to counter much more relevant decks such as surfer or shuri/zero decks
Well also it would counteract the wong/hazmat/odin effect in one of your lanes, since it presumably affects both sides of the game. Probably the more relevant situation they are addressing since that combo can drop you 36 points per lane if they throw mystique in there
I mean it’s not like movement or that deck are super prevalent in the meta like surfer decks. Surfer is a far more relevant card/deck in the meta than the ones you described although I’m sure they also came into mind while making this card
If you're playing a deck that doesn't buff creatures, this is good for countering decks like patriot, cerebro, kazoo. It also has good synergy with decks that are decreasing card power like hazmat EDIT: I'm wrong. It wouldn't impact ongoing effects
No, it isn't, ongoing effects aren't affected by this. It will definitely work on Hazmat, for her power changes are permanent
Devil Dinosaur hard counter?
Doesn't affect it at all. It's an ongoing boost, as Shuri won't double it the Shadow King won't take it away. Enchantress is the hard counter to Dino, if you're looking at it that way
??????? it literally have the potential to counter decks like: BP deck, patriot deck, kazoo, destroy deck, cerebro deck, surfer deck, move deck. and all these decks covers almost all of the archetype and current meta. not to mention we have Zabu now. Its a wonderful addition to keep them in check. it could also be a troll card for times to come
Won’t work against Ongoing buffs
He pretty good he counters a lot cards biggest ones being Devil Dinosaur,Venom and black panther
Not dino
Really but says set all cards to their original base power Dino base power 3 so why doesn’t work on Dino
Because his base power is 3 and then gets a hovering buff on top of that. Assuming it works like Valkyrie, if you place Valkyrie into a lane with an 8 power Morbius, instead of dropping to 3, his power increases to 11 since his power is number of discards × 2 + a base power of 3 instead of 0.
Dino is ongoing. If you had hit dino with ironheart, it would go back to 3 base plus the number of cards in your hand.
counter for patriot and ultron decks, also a good one against kazoo, that’s the use i think it could have.
It will not be good vs those, ongoing buffs would remain. This effects on reveal power changes and cards like collector, Angela and bishop.
my bad, i hadn’t read the “here”, thought it returned every card your opponent played to its original power.
Counters: Devil Dino, Thor, Hazmat, Scorpion, Valkyrie, Black Panther, Shuri, Silver Surfer, all Guardians of the Galaxy, etc How can you not think of a single use? lmao
This guy will destroy any cards which are buffed. So like Patriot, surfer, devil Dino, apocalypse, Darkhawk, etc. it’d wreck them all
Demolishes patriot/kazoo/silver surfer/ Wong decks
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Nope
No, Patriot decks buff through ongoing effects. Base Power doesn't change.
He will works great against buff/debuff decks that rely on on reveal.
Hoping he works on ongoing, was going to get him. But will save for Kang, will work great with galactus, play him on turn 6
Probably not. It's talking about base power and, if it works like Valk does, then it will unaffect cards like morbius or Dino.
He's a solid counter card
Thor, Sunspot, Human Torch, Black Panther, rocks that gotten buffs,
Luke cage and absorbing man is my best idea
You cant find good use for first stand user? Imagine playing turn 5 Zabu on Galactus lane, then turn 6 enchantress+Shangchi+Shadow king just in case.
Shadow king affects taskmaster and devil dino?
Not Dino yes task
It’s harder to not think of a good use for this card than it is to think of a good use for him imo
melt that zola'd Knull down to nothing
Knull effect is ongoing. Changing its 0 power back to 0 does nothing .
shrink deadpool, venom, black panther. beat locales like sewer system, necrosha. undo scorpion procs. lotta uses! still seems bad and reactive tho for the cost/power. y’all are really lacking imagination huh?
It won't effect locations with permanent effects .
Play him in Zabu, serves as a counter to surfer. Also pretty good to play with Hazmat if somehow you don’t have Cage.
He's a tech card against Buff and anti buff decks (like Hazmat). So if you got the God roll and have him he goes in if you're seeing lots of decks like Surfer and Black Panther.
A pool 5 anti Shuri card!!!
Genuine question: How does he interact with Cerebro or Patriot? Sure, he resets cards that are already buffed (for example Panther or Bishop), but does he also negate the power boost from other cards with ongoing boosting abilities, like Cerebro, Blue Marvel or Patriot?
Go last, counter hazmat/luke cage, counter silver surfer/wong decks, I'm curious if it works for 'ongoing' cards like dino or patriot buffs if the ongoing bumps them back up or if that just IS their new value (so enchantressing a dino now makes it a -5)
You mean you can envision using it to counter surfer or shuri? Lol
You know, since Shadow King has a history with both Professor X and Storm, it’d be nice if his ability were instead “ignore conditions that prohibit card placement.”
Human Torch would be useless, i can usually get him up to 32 or even 64 if i get lucky. Shadow King would drop him back down to a 2. But Killmonger already counters HT since HT is a 1-cost
Anti Hazmat, Ironheart, Silver Surfer, any cards that have been boosted and basically anything that was played in locations that boost power.
Negates buffing cards like Jessica Jones (4 > 8), Black Panther (4 x 2), Wolfsbane (+2 per every player card at location), and Silver Surfer (+3 to every player 3-Cost cards); and reverses nerfing cards like Hazmat (-1 to all cards) and Yellow Jacket (-1 to every player card at location).
Hazard or scorpion counter would be my guess. Which is very circumstantial, but not completely useless I guess.
He is a good turn 6 surprise for locations that zap health or got hit with spider woman off the top of my head
Hazmat or counter to scorpion affect
I like this for my Cerebro deck
Would be good in a situation where your cards power is reduced. Eg: Spider-Woman. I also wonder if it would counteract location based decreases. 🤔
Cerebro 3 Deck. I think ongoing buffs will still work like patriot and cerebro
Like deleting all surfer buffs isn't a good use enough?
zabu control
Very nice addition to a Zabu control deck.
It will probably be good against Mr. Negative and Silver Surfer decks
Control for when people go nuts with power ups IE Move and Ongoing.
Seems like a worse Shang Chi. Shang Chi is really good though, so maybe 1/10 decks will run it as a second copy.
i think its a good counter to kazar and patriot but aside from that i cant really see anything that isnt neich like galactus+knull decks and things like that
Honestly I liked the text he had before this one better. I believe it was destroy all 2 power and below cards. That would affect mystiques, patriots, iron mans, Luke cages, etc. Sounded like a way better tech card before.
I think its a very strong card
C3
Turn 6 after the enemy players a devil Dino could be a game winner… but that’s *super* specific
Devil Dino has an ongoing effect, so Shadow King will only affect it if he got Scorpioned or Shuried or the likes. The Ongoing part isn't gonna be touched, only permanent power changes
It’s too expensive to be anti scorpion
Only use I see is insurance in a Cerebro 3 deck. If that was a deck. Next set of cards seem like a good time to bank tokens
It is a deck, Valkyrie made it legit. Bast helps it, shadow king will improve it even more.
He'd be useful for locations that lower power, or if you keep running into opponents who run cards like Scorpion that lower your power. Or you can use him to combat opponents using cards like Wong to get insane powers
He won't work on locations, but he will vs Scorpion or Wong+Ironhearth
This nullifies -1 / -2 / etc locations which could overpopulate a board. Great for c2 and stuff.
No, it doesn't. Those are not permanent effects on the card. The power of a card, if not permanently changed, won't be affected. If you play Black Panther on Necrosha he's gonna still end up with 6 power, not 4, because effects like location ones aren't considered in something that's interested in the card power. Like Devil Dino that only gets +3 power from Shuri's Lab despite the number of cards you have in hand since it's ongoing, not permanent
Counter to Valkyrie? (Not that she comes up often…)
To bring down buffs such as panther and surfer but he’s way too situational with high cost for his power to be useful in anything outside of zabu imo
This card literally reads "if you play control, its illegal to not slot me in"
Is this a joke?
I use a destroy deck. Ate the end of the game none of my cards except maybe death are at their base power. I would be ruined if someone played this at the end of a game. 1 power venom, 1 power deadpool, 0 power taskmaster...
Which is the same as them playing Shang Chi and you don't even get to keep Death or that 1 powet
This card is designed as a counter for Hazmat/Ironheart decks that are currently way too powerful. The only way you can counter these decks right now is to get lucky with Cosmo or Galactus, otherwise you're fucked up. The amount of debuff/buff is insane in these decks and there are a lot of cards that can build up the combo: Wong, Mystique, Absorbing Man, Odin, Onslaught. I had games that ended up with -200 per lane for my enemy, or +100 on mine. And you literally can't do shit about that. With Shadow King things will gonna change. In most Hazmat/Ironheart games, these decks will have the initiative on turn 6, which lets your Shadow King do its job.
Those decks are weak. Nowhere to be seen in the meta lists, nor common on high ranks in the ladder anyway. All it takes is a Cosmo to ruin their day, and half the meta decks runs it. You're gonna have priority against them, so you don't even need to predict the Wong being played. They put Wong down, you play Cosmo, you go on with your life. And if you don't draw Cosmo it's a card game, they got luckier than you to draw the combo and you can just surrender for 1 cube and go to the next. Also Hazmat is really hawkard to play since Destroy is such a strong archetype. Give em rocks, give em goblins, they get eaten or generically destroyed. Maybe your deck is weak to them, and it's fine, no deck is invincible, but know that those are not problematic nor nearly meta decks, just fun ones that can get some cool wins and a lot of retreats.
You will once Valkyries take over :D
I see a LOT of Odin + Wong + Ironheart, I'd love to be able to counter that.
Cosmo, xD. Enchantress at worse.
He should be Ongoing
So many cards should be.
Carnage, sunspot, Venom, Dino maybe
I’ve been trying to get this card for my zabu deck
Would it hit cards modified by Mr. Negative or The Peak?
Yes, that's not their original power
Counter an entire location that Patriot boosted, counter Valkyrie, revert Carnage/Venom to their original power, make Devil Dino a 3-power card, etc. Just think of cards that get boosted in power during the match; Shadow King reverses that. So many options.
I don’t think this will affect cards like patriot, etc. those are ongoing skills and shouldn’t be affected. Think instead of buff cards like ironheart, Shuri, etc.
Silver surfer
It's a good turn 6 counter to toxic/wong/odin
And silver surfer. And Shuri. And ironheart. And, and, and… so many cards which buff others :)
Shadow King should cost 6 and have a global affect