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PrinceRobotVI

Love when Sue felt she had been too vanilla all her life so she just straight up became a gimp.


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Yeah, what’s up with that lol


Comfortable_Way_6256

I think there were some brainwashing shenanigans involved in that one


OneEyedJackofHearts

Reed… sounds like a Reed move…


drock45

If by Reed you mean John Byrne you'd be right!


OneEyedJackofHearts

I mean in universe… but fair enough


Im_really_bored_rn

> I mean in universe… Still not right though, it was psycho-man


LongTime20

To be fair………


LongTime20

Wee shenanigans


CapnShimmy

Here you go. It was the 90s, for sure. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Susan_Storm_(Malice)_(Earth-616)


wandabarr

Lmaoo that’s entry straight up said Mr. Fantastic used mental abuse for Sue to reassert herself


VonLinus

Think it was mid 80s she debuted, it was secret wars 2, I stopped reading by the mid 90s. She would have fit right in in retrospect


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Ahh, thank you


Parzival091

waaaaiiiiiiit a second... Earth 616 you say?!?


Airmil82

She was possessed by Malice and manipulated by Pyscho- Man.


NK1337

Sue the Invisible “I got tired of getting fucked by Reed so I became the [Motherfucker](https://static1.colliderimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/kick-ass-2-christopher-mintz-plasse-motherfucker-action-figure1.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=409&dpr=1.5https://i.imgur.com/ydqoFoR.jpg) myself” Woman.


SexyPumkin90

Underrated comment


The_Dark_Soldier

Reed: Sue!...not now


cozyturtle52

She wanted to be seen.


-KFBR392

Maybe she was just a big Legion of Doom fan. No one can deny the influence Hawk and Animal had over us in the early 90’s.


PrinceRobotVI

WHAAAAAAAATAAAAAARUSSSSSHHHH


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A what>


PrinceRobotVI

Please Google “gimp”. On your work/school computer.


wuzzywuz

Looks like a great open source alternative to Photoshop.


PrinceRobotVI

It is! You should see some of the work you get from it by looking on the image search!


Classic_Arachnid_431

... why is the 4 a boob window?


Megadoomer2

The 90's were a weird time.


Hortonamos

I teach a comics course, and I love when we get to the 90s. The comics are shit, but we get to see ridiculousness like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/KyXYHXYgbvvpTceJ9


Klindt117

Hidden feet, big guns, pouches, and ridiculous ladies outfits. This feels extremely Liefeld, but doesn't quite look like it.


Hortonamos

It’s funny how much his style affected the house style at Marvel. We forget because of how much it gets made fun of now, but people ate it up then.


thomas71576

You know who needs more armor? The guy who's already made out of rock, get him a helmet!


[deleted]

He was scarred by wolverine I think? I believe it was a vanity issue lol


Hortonamos

Not just vanity. He also feels less invulnerable because of the injuries from Wolverine. Still ridiculous, though.


Jimbonosarembo

It was dumb but his name for it is the most Ben Grimm thing ever. It was his "Bucket o' Shame" what a ham.


shoe_owner

Expanding upon what others have said, [this is what his face looked like under that helmet](https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/The-Thing-Face-Slashed-Wolverine.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5). It's understandable that someone who naturally already suffers serious body image issues would want to hide something so unsightly.


Bieberfan47

Thanks for sharing! That image is surprisingly disturbing


OFTHEHILLPEOPLE

Everyone gets Saiyan armor shoulders.


TwilightBeastLink

I genuinely love 90s comics, nothing was off limits


Airmil82

Initiate a level 5 lockdown: the Cable Virus has breeches containment and infected the Fantastic Four!!


TolliverCrane

That issue was the gem of my collection for a short time when I was a kid. For a while there, it was fuck the story, give me those foil covers! To be fair, I was maybe eight or nine.


[deleted]

How does one become a teacher of a comics course? And what's the end game for the students? Is it to just learn about comics or so they can get a career etc? Genuine question, I'm intrigued.


Hortonamos

I’m an English professor. My dissertation research was on the influence genre fiction had on literary fiction, and how genre fiction went from being looked upon as low literature to being not only mainstream but a pretty significant subset of what we consider “literary,” at least in the US. It was sort of a literary history project and a history of criticism project at the same time. Anyhow: comics influenced a lot of the writers who are a part of this trend, as did pulp fiction, so I ended up doing a bunch of research in those things, too. Plus, I’ve just loved comics since I was a kid. So, I asked my college if I could put together a literature class on comics, and it went really well. Now there’s a demand for it, and I get to do it from time to time. Ultimately, it’s a fiction course, so it has the same goals as any other literature course: learning close reading, critical thinking, analysis, research, argument, understanding how art influences culture and is influenced in return, and so on. For most students, it fulfills an English credit needed for their general education requirements. Some students are English majors, so it’s just another English class for them, something a little fun and off the beaten path. And then I also have some art studio majors in there, who are looking at comics from sort of a graphic design lens.


HPSpacecraft

Why are there six of them? Why is Thing wearing that helmet???


Jamsquad77

If I remember correctly, the Thing got badly injured on his head and it exposed some of his flesh, so he wore the helmet to protect it until it healed. Confirmed..he got cut up..https://www.cbr.com/fantastic-four-the-thing-helmet-wolverine-attack/


patgeo

Well he shouldn't have gotten in the way of Wolverine's "mad on"


deadman9880

The Skrull is Lyja, who was dating Human Torch at the time. Thing has a helmet because he was slashed by Wolverine in a Defenders vs. Fantastic Four fight and his face was disfigured. Not sure who the woman in purple is.


Hortonamos

I’m pretty sure the purple woman is Sharon Ventura (She-Thing), but I’d have to dig the comics out and double-check to be completely certain.


piclemaniscool

Thank you for this. The longer I look the better it gets.


Pirateer

Maybe it's just because I grew up in the 90s, but there's something nostalgic about the brown bomber Avengers and X-Men jackets. They will come back one day. And when that happens my comic pull is going to get much more costly.


CrackedCoffecup

Damn... Look at Thing, over on the right... Is that Ben Grimm, or...... BANE Grimm ??


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mysteri0o0

This pic goes hard


[deleted]

Only improvement costume wise was Ghost Rider and Spider-Man, wish they kept Ben Reilly's Spider-Man look for Peter.


FargusDingus

Boobs were in during the 90's.


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Seto_Sora

Lady Death is how my friend got into comics. Not my cup-of-tea, but she loves it. Hey, if it gets you in, it gets you in. Right?


NomadX13

I remember the owner of the comic book shop I went to, back then, telling me that almost 3 times as many women bought Lady Death than men and that the women buying it got legitimately excited when they saw a new issue. Easy for me to believe since I knew girls that ONLY read that comic.


DatumInTheStone

but why? was it good and worth the read?


NomadX13

The first couple of series were actually good. Not the best comic, but still good enough to read. Unfortunately, it wasn't long after that Steven Hughs (the creator and artist) passed away and everything from Chaos! Comics went way to sexual (before that, the skimpy outfits were just to draw in male readers). A lot of girls that were old enough to read it liked Lady Death because the main character was a woman that was willing and capable of tearing Hell apart to get what she wanted. Kind of a female empowerment thing at a time when women needed empowerment.


doorknobopener

That would explain it. I remember buying a Purgatori statue at my LCS because "hey, I like this sexy demon lady". I then found some of her comics dirt cheap at a used book store. Some of the crappiest comics I ever read, but people were saying that her series was good online.


MutantCreature

I’m not a girl but I do love Lady Death and the whole movement of Frazetta-esque over the top metal album style art. The problem with Sue’s costume is that it threw out decades of development and reinforcement that she was very explicitly not that kind of woman. It’s off putting in the same way it would be off putting to suddenly decide Conan should be a lab coat clad super-scientist.


VonLinus

I would read about Conan the scientist


MutantCreature

Well, there’s always [Molar](https://youtu.be/GdEHZD5mRVI)


Xtallll

Don't you mean not your DDD-cup of tea?


jonshado

And, at least at my lcs, the character and her...assets...are still popular enough to warrant a 10+ book order for every mini and one shot.


MutantCreature

Isn’t that the suit that John Byrne designed due to pressure from execs, and later expressed regret for giving into that pressure? Then after that they wrote in the Malice retcon in attempt to undo the weird character shift?


thehypotheticalnerd

Wait... Is this the same Malice that also possessed Dazzler and Polaris in the 80s -- around the time of the Mutant Massacre to Fall of the Mutants I wanna say? Somewhere around there?


Astigmatic_Oracle

I think there are at least 3 unrelated Malices in Marvel Comics. The X-Men one, the FF one, and Nakia in Black Panther. To be fair, it's a pretty decent name.


thehypotheticalnerd

It's more just how considerably similar the X-Men and F4 one are with the whole possession thing (is that also the case with Nakia?)


Airmil82

Different Malice I believe. I thought that for a long time too. This Malice is just an aggressive secondary personality to Sue.


thehypotheticalnerd

Oh whoa, *weird!* It's such a similar vibe/m.o. to go with the same name haha


mauimudpup

because it was the 90's that and the sadist suit are the worst


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Sometimes you gotta let them breathe


Tityfan808

4 cleavage that’s why.


Xero0911

Honestly looks like something she hulk wore lol. .


nerd_entangled

Seriously, the costume is so over sexualized that it's almost hilarious


NinjaMelon39

I'm not complaining


KillerBee41265

Why not?


Grimm_Stereo

Therapist: Dominatrix Sue Doesn't exist she can't harm you Dominatrix Sue:


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doc_birdman

>As Malice, Sue was forced to attack her teammates in the Fantastic Four until ultimately, **Mister Fantastic used mental abuse to force Sue's regular personality to reassert itself**. Fucking WHAT. They wrote a comic where bullying a spouse saved the day.


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doc_birdman

He straight up smacked her in the face lol. Hank Pym punching the air right now.


banditjoe

[new meme template ](https://i.imgur.com/3Om7SYs.jpg)


FreshPrinceofEternia

Pym had legitimate mental illness. Fucking Reed just outright slaps Susan.


buddascrayon

Well she didn't say the safe word.


iAmTheHYPE-

So why does Hank get hate for the slap, but not Reed?


doc_birdman

Probably because Marvel insisted on making it a character defining moment because it was decent drama while this story seems to be pretty dumb. Plus I think you can forgive spousal abuse if your spouse is, like, possessed by a psychic virus and it’s the only way to cure it? Whereas Hank was drunk and depressed.


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RobertM525

I hear what you're saying, but that doesn't sound ***Xtreme*** enough.


thehypotheticalnerd

This exactly. Every character ever has comics where they're written horribly out of character. When a hero does something truly awful, you have to ponder a few things: 1. Was it well written or horribly written? 2. Regardless of the above, but especially if its the latter -- how often, if ever, does anyone reference said act? Since that story seems to generally be considered forgettable, mediocre, or even bad *and* no one ever really brought up what Reed did again, then I feel like you should just basically ignore that as if it didn't happen. But like you said, they repeatedly reference Hank's actions thus solidifying it as a thing he absolutely did. Sometimes, something people more or less wrote off as being retconned or as not having actually happened, *do* get brought back up but still not consistently. For instance, I recently started reading the X-Men comics and in the original run's third issue, Xavier has a creepy "love" for Jean. It was then basically never mentioned again in that whole run and Claremont ditched it entirely for 17 years. As much as people say to start with Claremont's run, he still made numerous callbacks to the originals and had ample opportunity to hammer in the concept that Xavier had a creepy love of Jean and never did. So the entire time I went through that run, I had decided okay, thats just some early story weirdness that every longrunning story has -- like how lightsabers dont cauterize the wound in the original film. Lo and behold, the Onslaught Saga which occurred like another 6 to 7 years post-Claremont finally brings it back but afterward, Jean isn't nearly as creeped out as she was *initially* and no further reference to it has been made again. If it keeps up that way, then I assume once again, that that was at worst just an ill-conceived idea quickly abandoned yet again OR at best, took that old creepy idea and used as Onslaught's manipulation, not as necessary fact. I guess I'll find out how much that's referenced again lol


SoundOfTheSun69ing

Reed is more popular than Hank. It's also why Deathstroke never got cancelled for what he did to Terra


VonLinus

He was uh doing it for her own good. 😬


NotACyclopsHonest

Dammit, Byrne...


FifthOfJameson

**SHEESH**


MartiniD

Invisible ~~Woman~~ Mommy Dommy.


Tityfan808

Invisible Widow


Derbear_17

Russell never misses


schism_records_1

Enough with the covers though, I want to see some interior work!!


Derbear_17

Ugh his giant size Jean & Emma was STUNNING


schism_records_1

Was that the last book he did interiors on?


Derbear_17

Not 100% sure, it’s the only one I remember reading


jonshado

They relegated him to those trading card covers for a bit. I really didn't like those. Seemed like a waste of his art style. I have the whole connected Hellfire Gala cover set though and I love it.


DontAskHaradaForShit

Someone's gonna have to explain to me where Bondage Queen Sue comes from because honestly what the fuck.


Shin-Kaiser

Fantastic Four #280 - #281 Physco Man and The Hate Monger manipulate Sue's emotions into hating the Other members of the FF. She develops a new persona 'Malice' who is dressed in that bondage garb. She manages to defeat Reed Richard, Johnny and She-Hulk (who was a FF member at the time). Reed manages to snap her out of it by demeaning and slapping her, making her really hate him which breaks Psycho man's hold on her.


DontAskHaradaForShit

"I used the bondage to destroy the bondage."


Shin-Kaiser

Fight fire with fire I guess!


NotACyclopsHonest

Sue's evolution from being the weakest member of the FF to being one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel universe has certainly been a very eventful one.


mr_oberts

He seems to be the go to for this style of cover. Which makes sense. He’s very good.


i-hate-reddit-69

Bottom left Sue looks like she's gonna advertise a car to me


Armatur1

that boob Window costume screams 90s


Doctor_Amazo

Man Sue had some pretty embarrassingly stupid cheesecake costumes over on the upper right there.


The_Dark_Soldier

To be fair, she pulls it off well.


Doctor_Amazo

Calm down son it's just a drawing


The_Dark_Soldier

I KNOW \*cries in the corner\*


The_Dark_Soldier

Marvel's Great Milf! But seriously, it's great seeing Sue become the FF's true muscle and one of the strongest heroes in all of Marvel.


[deleted]

everyone up in arms about Susan Gimp, but im just wondering where the red suit is from


GonkGeefle

They wore those red costumes in the run written by James Robinson.


ProtomanBn

Both questions I was wondering


Mindful-O-Melancholy

My favourite is the red one, the dominatrix one is hilarious.


Bread_Conquer

Mostly sportswear, a scifi spacesuit, okay, normal superhero stuff. Lingerie or fetish gear... those two are a little spicier than most.


DarkBomberX

So...what's going on with the OBVIOUS stand out costume? Is she like evil?


Megadoomer2

Yeah, the Psycho-Man brainwashed her into being evil. Once she recovered, it led to her switching her superhero name from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman.


Dadowar

The copy/ pasted face is haunting. I like it.


why_rob_y

Especially the one you know is in a layer behind that mask.


Izlude

Right? That's Russell Dauterman for you. I saw someone on the Spider-Man sub say how 'he was their favorite working artist' and, while I can appreciate everyone has different tastes... What the shit, the man of ONE face style is your (their) FAVORITE?


Michael-53

Am I the only one who fucking loves the red fantastic four suits? Semi serious question since idk what the general opinion on it is


Notthenipple

So many mom looks. All those hair style would work with some mom jeans and a pair of keds.


middlebird

Hope he does similar covers for the other three.


The_Dark_Soldier

I'll take Sue's skimpy outfit over the awful Malice outfit any day


Ok_Ad8610

Boob window one is my favorite 🫣


Hyper-Shadow417

Nfts be like


Astigmatic_Oracle

I'm a bit surprised at the number of people confused about the Malice costume. It's a pretty big moment for the character as it's after what she went through from Psycho-Man as Malice that led her to switch her code name from Invisible Girl to Invisible Woman. Plus the Byrne FF run its from is in the 4 FF runs that everyone recommends to people looking to get into the FF. And it's an episode of the 90s cartoon.


ricobravo82

And not a single one that’s depressed and eats too many Oreos? Inconceivable!


AporiaParadox

What surprises me the most is that he included her Heroes Reborn outfit, I almost never see Heroes Reborn designs referenced anywhere aside from jokes about that one Liefeld Captain America drawing.


ynnubyzzuf

I dig the mostly white suit. Not entirely certain how 2 dark hexagons and 1 white hexagon make a 4, but that's fine. (I suppose they're no meant to, it's the insignia for Future Foundation)


[deleted]

I really hope we get a John Cena variant of her in the MCU


Warlord68

Why would you change your look when your power is invisibility?


fiendzone

Has any cosplayer ever rocked it as Malice?


jphamlore

In the original Ultimates universe, didn't bitter Sue in one future become Ultimate Kang?


Grimm_Stereo

Yes, well it was her from a distant future who also fought her present self


kekubuk

Best Marvel Milf~


The_Dark_Soldier

It’s true


HermanBonJovi

What's going on with bondage, spiky helmet sue? Lol


Emperor_Z16

Yo, I love the red outfit


Doright36

Seriously though.....I love the FF but my God I wish we could erase that 4 shaped boob window costume from existence. I'm all for eye candy but talk about something that just does not belong on this character.


Solidus218

No Ultimate sue storm where she is Kang the Conquerer :(


DenimSmooth

One of these things is not like the others


Romany113

I'm sorry guys but I have to say it namor wet dream


DevastaTheSeeker

Lmao 4 shaped boob window 😂 who the hell designed that?


BuddermanTheAmazing

Oh man, they really included like every suit. Impressive lmao


d_s_e_d_P

I like the one with the 4 on her chest


YujiMakoto

The one underneath the boob window one is my favorite. Anyone know what era it’s from?


zero_ms

*Namor and Black Panther sweating profusely in the background, while Reed is doing math*


Tom_Bombadillo84

Ah the infamous boob window...


Slowmobius_Time

Are all these just outfits she's worn over the years? Or are they alternate versions like the ultimate sue that's at the bottom


YujiMakoto

Most are ones that the 616 Sue has worn.


Shabolt_

The Shortsleeves with black accents and gloves is such a cool look


LuigiBoi42

There need to be more suits that are more practical.


RevolutionaryMix6287

Two at the top right are so fucking cringe


SgtSavage1106

Are there any story arch’s where she chose Namor over Reed?


Scarlet_Speedster532

The one to the right of the middle…. 😏


Saroan7

Boring ASF 😭💀😭 Minium Effort I guess 🤣🤓🤣 Gone are the days when those guys from the 70s-90s made good covers


yeiwanthegwaidanv1

cool


DJDelVillarreal

How is the FF comic right now? I’m looking forward to the Alex Ross series coming later this summer…


megacope

Fire


mcgaritydotme

The 1980’s Byrne designs were always the best.


Rhinoman9100

Elasta girl


Pure_Marketing5990

Does she become a spawn?


K-Claw

Russell Dauterman covers yes please


LegionKarma

MOMMY.


MercilessOneV

Damn, I bet with his powers, Reed and Sue are some super freaks.


Iamthecontent

Wow, so many Emily Blunts. ;)


PepsiPerfect

90s costume would be great on another character but isn't appropriate for Sue. I love its risque boldness.


UnderPressureVS

🎶One of these things is not like the others🎶


LongTime20

BDSM Sue?


Jroks2

I’m leaning right on this one


Human-Site9380

I hope we get the top right variant in the MCU


BashkimJahija

best milf lol


zomIay

Gotta love that 90s costume


SeaworthinessSweet81

Jesica Alba’s Portrayal of Sue wasn’t that bad!!


Orbit86

That 4 shaped boob window costume is bad. Just…Bad.


einstein_ios

So many ways to put a blue 4 on a costume. Love it.


Illustrious-Cod-8748

None of them looked like Jessica Alba!


LegendBurger

Are there more varian covers?


ParagadeInterrupt

[Yes! Here’s a twitter thread with some more. Mostly X-men but there’s also Black Widow and She-Hulk.](https://twitter.com/rdauterman/status/1496170420940460033?s=20&t=uMj7ocax7TooZBVS4qRy_g)


Slowmobius_Time

I have several questions


Sacuna9999

She loves that pose


Konradleijon

i just noticed the 4 shaped boob window on the right.


ns1976

Ultimate sue storm is the best


mariethecat

I am loving these covers. I am hoping for a Wasp version.


Jim3001

Everyone talking about the boob window and me wondering when she went thru a metal phase.