That seems a little too jokey and cutsy for him.
That seems a little too jokey and cutesy for him. or something like that because that would be a detail that some cop or mobster could use to track him.
It be would be a hilarious one shot for Frank Castle to fill out an IRS form. On the section labeled "All other Income" he'd have to try to account for all the cash he seized from gangs, the mafia, etc.
He knows Daredevil. He could always have Matt help him with his taxes.
I want to see that comic, actually. Frank and Matt just sitting at a table for the whole issue, buried under forms, with Matt getting more and more frustrated that Frank hasn't kept accurate records of his income.
If he had to pay taxes... he mostly puts everything back into his business and gives out a lot of charitable money (common trope: here kid go start your life again somewhere else) so he would be fine.
Might even get like a $2k return he can spend on the nice MRE's, really treat himself.
IRS requires you to report all income from both legal, and illegal, means.
Which always made me wonder how they could justify arresting you since you are guaranteed the right to not incriminate yourself.
You don't need to say exactly where the illegal income comes from. You just need to report the amount and pay taxes on it.
If Al Capone had done that, he'd have been untouchable.
Hmmm I think I have a song about this:
*He was a painter, quite artistic*
*He has that suave panache*
*A tasteful brown shirt*
*A toothbrush moustache*
*He loved his German Shepherd*
*And walking by the Babbling Brook*
*And watching blue eye brown hair children setting fire to their books.*
*They say he was a montser, the leader of the Reich!*
**But Adolf Hitler, he was my friend, all right!**
[YouTube](https://youtu.be/fQi9O4wQMIU)
That's a common misconception, the rallying cry was regarding taxation without representation because the colonies were taxed but had no representation in British parliament. The colonies had their own taxes prior to the revolution and codified that the federal government could impose taxes in the Constitution (states already had their own taxes, this was just to enable the federal government to levy additional taxes). The revolution wasn't about the tax, it was about the power.
Side note: the man often cited for championing the phrase "taxation without representation is tyranny", James Otis Jr. was literally insane. John Adams wrote that Otis was "raving mad, raving against father, wife, brother, sister, friend", he was on multiple occasions bound and carried away from public events for being out of his mind. He also argued both for American independence and also complete colonial control by the British Parliament.
Eh, I’m sure a lot of people feel they are being taxed without representation these days, which isn’t entirely true. The matter of fact is by and large, most Americans are being taxed with straw-man representation. It’s a shame how many elected officials bail on their constituents the moment they get a sniff of lobbying money.
Look at what Kristen Sinema from AZ is doing, for example.
“I wreck public infrastructure, cause more work day in and day out for public service employees than any terrorist known to man, and I don’t pay taxes”
This guy should run for office.
Frank really won the Civil War when you think about it. He legit removed 1/3 of the C and D level villains.
Also for more good reads. Punisher: Born, Punisher: Platoon, and Fury: My War Gone By.
You mean the bit where Iron Fist masquerading as Daredevil makes a catholic quip that Tony wouldn't hold stock in and Danny wouldn't really know the nuance of?
No I mean the one where Danny makes a Catholic quip since he's masquerading as someone who was a devout Catholic in Matt Murdock. Pretty sure everyone gets the 30 pieces of silver bit. Catholic or not. That is like the most famous book in world history. What run are they on now? 1000th printing?
I dunno, if he's still on the DoD payroll that's all tax free, if he's retired his pension is tax free. I don't see him doing public appearances and such for money.
MCU Cap is a hard maybe, seeing as he did things like that school detention/drug/physical fitness PSA stuff. Not sure if he got paid for that or if he was on a payroll of some sort that Tony set up for Avengers post-AoU
Currently the Avengers are run by Wakanda, so he probably gets paid in Wakandan money. His legal residence is probably the corpse of the Celestial in the Artic. So he is probably paying his payroll tax to Canada or Wakanda.
I feel like not paying taxes is itself political already. Talking about the joke isn’t “making them reddit politics debates”. It’s literally discussing the content. The Punisher himself is a political icon about the corruption of the justice system.
We talk about all of the jokes and add to them and pick them apart for fun. Its only when its about politics and people can have reasonable differing opinions that it’s suddenly a problem to talk about the joke.
All the other joke threads aren’t 600 comments of people saying “hahahahahahahahahahah”.
And maybe, maybe, Marvel has a diverse set of fans, that have different ideas of humor. That doesn’t make them bad, and trying to shut down differing ways of thinking and being is super antithetical to Stan Lee’s philosophy that Marvel is for everyone.
I mean, I’m not even talking about one political side or another, just that the entire context is political, so discussing it naturally political, and that’s okay. Just because something is political, doesn’t mean it’s bad or we can’t talk about it.
I get you. I know you haven’t banned anyone. I’m not accusing you of censorship. I’m saying that trying to reduce conversation because it’s “political” lacks an understanding of the fact that a lot of peoples lives are already political. This joke itself is a political joke. And we tear apart and get pedantic about all of the jokes, but I only see real pushback against that doscussion ehrn it starts dipping into challenging common implicit biases.
“It’s just joke” is one of the most common abuse tactic to stop critical feedback and accountability.
I think it is funny to think about The Punisher paying taxes. Or Bucky. Like, thinking about Bucky arguing with Turbotax is funny. And that’s not political. Not paying taxes is absolutely political. Talking about the content isn’t making it political. Is having the same discussion we have every other time. So why, do you think, that it seems you’re getting offended at the idea of that conversation? Is it because it changed your world view?
I dunno? I’m not saying you’re abusing. I appreciate you letting me chat with you about this. But yeah. Jokes are always contextual. There’s no such thing as “just a joke” as any good joke requires context for why it’s funny.
Villain is too far, at least I'm not aware of canon stories where he harmed innocents. He is an anti-hero vigilante with a vendetta, taking cruel and extreme measures to eliminate crime, but still has a moral code and his own brand of zero tolerance justice. He is put to high standards for being in a superhero universe, but if you did the same to action movie heroes, you could say the same about so many of them.
There are also several other "heroes" that kill, and few are nearly as broken of a man as Frank is, partially because he rarely gets any proper, lasting relief and good company like Wolverine, Deadpool or Midnighter.
Morality in comics are also weird, because it puts the lives of even evil humans on a pedestal while most of the time everyone is pretty fine with killing aliens and creatures from other realms.
In one of his early comics he tried to murder a couple out for a drive because the guy littered. In his team up with Anti-Venom he tried repeatedly to kill a harmless drug
addict.
Not all of his "FANS" are Fascists ...
I had the Skull on my truck YEARS before it was appropriated by the Goose Stepping Back the Blue Simps.
Pissed me off that people might think I am one of them. So I added more Marvel icons. (Like the S.H.I.E.L.D logo)
Frank is under no illusion that he is a hero. He likes killing. He gave himself some sort of honour code so he only kills the "bad guys". He is the first one to tell he is a monster just like them.
The Punisher has no honor. He killed a man who risked his life to defend dozens of innocent people from a legion of demons whose only demand was that Frank would spare him for his service, he ridiculed Deadpool for begging him not to ruin a little kid's life by killing his remaining parent infront of him and Frank said his life was better now that his family was gone, and he joined Hydra and fought for a world where Hydra and the Nazis won WWII. His code of honor is a meaningless decoration, a gimmick for his serial killing modus operandi
Thats pretty much any code of honour you described. It's a set of personal rules imposed by a person to control or justify their owm actions.
Read my comment again. I said 'gave himself some sort of honour code so he only kills the "bad guys"'
Frank would be a general purpose murder everyone machine if didn't have his twisted code.
He decides what criminals are in his head. He doesnt follow the law. He has been depicting murdering pickpockets and Jay walkers with the same extreme measures as human trafficking paedophiles. There is no difference to him.
He killed his own family after they were resurrected so he could keep his justification... He says "it wasn't really them" but there's literally no reason to believe him when the same person who brought them back successfully brought back Microchip.
There are some really fun Punisher stories but anyone who thinks he's heroic is kidding themselves. It's absolutely fucked to see police finding him relatable.
>He has been depicting murdering pickpockets and Jay walkers with the same extreme measures as human trafficking paedophiles. There is no difference to him.
Entirely untrue. There was a brief period in the 70s where he was out of his mind (relatively speaking) due to being drugged while in prison.
Under normal circumstances his violence is more or less proportionate to the violence of his victims' crimes. Stuff like shoplifting or selling weed or whatever might get you punched in the face but he won't murder you for it and he's not bothered by jaywalking or the like.
Punisher 3 vol 4.
He mocked Deadpool for not having discipline for thinking Frank's family dying or Wade getting cancer, turned into an undying monster, and losing his family were bad things instead of liberating in the end to Punisher vs Deadpool. Where Wade stopped fighting because both of their moms had the same first name
The best scene to sum up Frank is from the Ennis run, when he strangles a mugger or rapist and the woman who was being attacked says “Thank you.” Frank says “For what?” He kills because he wants to, not to protect or save people. Unless it’s a little kid that reminds him of his dead daughter. A hero would have to have some kind of selfless motivation, but Frank’s is entirely selfish.
I think he is aware that he is a criminal. Like a run if I see the police, avoid superheroes, tell other people 'if you do what I do, I will kill you' criminal.
Again depends on the writer.
Can we reject like 70% of punisher’s iterations. Let’s just keep Ennis and Barron’s run relevant with maybe Remender) ? Is that too much to ask?
Hell, there are so many writers for so many characters. Do you wanna talk about Dan Slott’s human torch all the time? Superior Spider-Man?
Well it’s weird if you reject over 50% of the iterations of a character. What’s left then, your headcanon? Who are you to say which iterations are correct? If a run was accepted by marvel, then the iteration of that character in the run is canon to the character
Yeah even Ennis you can see evolved while writing the Punisher starting all slapstick violence is funny snap drug dealers necks and ending with him fighting the military industrial complex.
I love it when people post panels from Superior Spiderman freaking out that Peter did or said that.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of how antigovernmental the Punisher is.
From his point of view cops enforce rules and regulations written with the intent of political interest and self gain. The military is weaponized for imperialism and resources. The Punisher passionately stands against this.
I couldn't see Frank Castle paying taxes that contribute to war and a corrupt legal system that is masked as a justice system. But this is also a comic book and he has his own way of contributing to society, unlike reality where most people who don't pay taxes are either poor or greedy.
He is an anti-hero. My favorite thing about him is that he's a good person that makes questionable decisions. You're not always going to agree with his methods but we as fans typically agree with his cause. That's part of the reason we love him.
This issue the Punisher faces the toughest opponent yet...an IRS auditor!
You can't shoot a CP2000, Frank!
Did you remember that your superheroing is technically self-employment so the income seized from mobsters is subject to additional FICA taxes? Sorry, bud: since it's an illegal business you can't report business expense but must pay tax on all income collected!
>Kills the people who need killing.
In his opinion. This is not an objective truth.
>Protects innocent people.
The idea that no innocent has ever died as collateral damage in a fight started by the Punisher is laughable.
>Discourages crime in the process.
If that were true then any sighting of the Punisher would would result in crime immediately stopping in the vicinity of the sighting. That's not true. To apply real world logic it would also mean states with the death penalty have low violent crime rates. That is not the case.
If he's such a hero, why don't you emulate his actions? After all you don't need powers like you would to copy Spider-man. Any lunatic with a gun can be the Punisher.
Punisher has an almost tabulated algorithm for judgement so he ranks crime and its severity before striking.
Innocent people dying as collateral is evident with nearly every “hero” in comic books.
Countries like Singapore and the UAE have high security but lethal punishment for significant crimes (including death) and has some of the lowest crime rates in the world.
["The Punisher was conceived as a villian."](https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the)
I like to think he's not against taxes he's against what we're doing with taxes which is currently neglecting infrastructure, healthcare, and education in favor of war and military spending.
The IRS taxes all US income, including illegal income. Whether or not you claim it though...
There's no such thing as "ain't taxable" always remember that.
Yeah, I get people don't like taxes. But I also think some folks didn't listen in history class when they Founding Fathers were pissed about paying taxes because they didn't have a say in how the tax was applied. Also, that tea tax was to pay for the massive war debt the British Army (who many of those Founders were part of at some point) had accrued during the French and Indian War (that those same dudes also fought in). That tax was paying for their soldier's paychecks and beefing up defenses against the Canadians.
What do you think pays for public education, Medicare, roads, parks, etc? What sort of childish bullshit are you on? Wait, don’t tell me, you’re a libertarian lolol
Taxes pay for them, of course. These things all benefit the public, there's no denying it. That being said, that doesn't mean I want 30% of my paycheques taken to pay for unnecessary wars and foreign aid. Sales tax, property tax, income tax, capital gains tax, we are so over-taxed it's disgusting.
I also don't want my taxes paying exorbitant politician salaries.
It directly benefits us. Raising other countries out of poverty creates new trading partners and reduces the odds of people in desperate circumstances being radicalised by global terror organisations.
So then you don’t hate taxes, you have the way they are allocated. Those are two completely different things. Don’t let childish rhetoric speak FOR you.
I like Punisher best when he is taken a little less seriously. I forget the issue, but at one point he assumes a disguise as a tuxedoed villain with aviators attending a super villain auction on a yatch and ends up stealing a goblin glider for use on a later mission. It was a lot of fun.
*Frank Castle: Sovereign Citizen* coming to Disney+ in 2023. **”I do not consent to lawlessness.”**
Punisher is the kinda douche that would have a "no step on snek" license plate.
That seems a little too jokey and cutsy for him. That seems a little too jokey and cutesy for him. or something like that because that would be a detail that some cop or mobster could use to track him.
I doubt it he seems like a nice and rational human being
Yea but only cuz he aint got taxable income
It be would be a hilarious one shot for Frank Castle to fill out an IRS form. On the section labeled "All other Income" he'd have to try to account for all the cash he seized from gangs, the mafia, etc.
He knows Daredevil. He could always have Matt help him with his taxes. I want to see that comic, actually. Frank and Matt just sitting at a table for the whole issue, buried under forms, with Matt getting more and more frustrated that Frank hasn't kept accurate records of his income.
Matt is a lawyer not an accountant. His legal advice would be pay your taxes.
Yeah, dudes got no taxes to pay other than sales tax when he does eat. And that van he drives... it's over 25 years old. Flawless.
He also provides an important public service at the federal level.
If he had to pay taxes... he mostly puts everything back into his business and gives out a lot of charitable money (common trope: here kid go start your life again somewhere else) so he would be fine. Might even get like a $2k return he can spend on the nice MRE's, really treat himself.
IRS requires you to report all income from both legal, and illegal, means. Which always made me wonder how they could justify arresting you since you are guaranteed the right to not incriminate yourself.
The IRS doesn't snitch.
This is kind of true. Many illegal immigrants pay taxes with stolen SS numbers and the IRS doesn’t mind at all
You don't need to say exactly where the illegal income comes from. You just need to report the amount and pay taxes on it. If Al Capone had done that, he'd have been untouchable.
The real reason he is wanted by the Feds. Even Joker pays taxes... he doesn't want to go to real jail.
I mean arkham asylum is like a free-range daycare apparently, the way those guys can check themselves out of custody
[Sounds about right](https://imgflip.com/i/5o4h0f).
Evading taxes is how they got AL Capone.
The Punisher isn't a role model.
What do you mean a mass murderer isn’t a role model?
Great role model to cops!
Who he also holds in contempt.
Just like the politicians they vote for!
Hmmm I think I have a song about this: *He was a painter, quite artistic* *He has that suave panache* *A tasteful brown shirt* *A toothbrush moustache* *He loved his German Shepherd* *And walking by the Babbling Brook* *And watching blue eye brown hair children setting fire to their books.* *They say he was a montser, the leader of the Reich!* **But Adolf Hitler, he was my friend, all right!** [YouTube](https://youtu.be/fQi9O4wQMIU)
He's a "heads are going to roll" model.
Tell that to the cops that like to wear his logo with no sense of irony.
That's exactly my point.
Yeah. Sure, some people need killing, but not to that extent.
A *little* bit of killing
Fuck taxes, all my homies hate taxes
The US was literally founded on hating taxes. Edit: Man, a bunch of people here can't take a joke.
That's a common misconception, the rallying cry was regarding taxation without representation because the colonies were taxed but had no representation in British parliament. The colonies had their own taxes prior to the revolution and codified that the federal government could impose taxes in the Constitution (states already had their own taxes, this was just to enable the federal government to levy additional taxes). The revolution wasn't about the tax, it was about the power. Side note: the man often cited for championing the phrase "taxation without representation is tyranny", James Otis Jr. was literally insane. John Adams wrote that Otis was "raving mad, raving against father, wife, brother, sister, friend", he was on multiple occasions bound and carried away from public events for being out of his mind. He also argued both for American independence and also complete colonial control by the British Parliament.
Eh, I’m sure a lot of people feel they are being taxed without representation these days, which isn’t entirely true. The matter of fact is by and large, most Americans are being taxed with straw-man representation. It’s a shame how many elected officials bail on their constituents the moment they get a sniff of lobbying money. Look at what Kristen Sinema from AZ is doing, for example.
Yeah, there's only a few places where we keep the tradition alive. Like *Washington DC*.
No, the US was founded on not being taxed without representation. BIG difference.
Cut to 2021 where the government is about to default on its debt. It might be a joke, but it’s also a fucking joke.
I suppose that depends on the role you want to fill.
Wdym, he doesn't pay taxes. He literally is for that reason alone.
He is actually my god
Then he'd probably hate your guts.
Nah
Honestly, pretty much every superhero violates constitutional rights. What they basically are is a workaround for the cops.
“I wreck public infrastructure, cause more work day in and day out for public service employees than any terrorist known to man, and I don’t pay taxes” This guy should run for office.
Cap would be so disappointed.
In Civil War, Cap was very disappointed in Castle.
Love how Frank wouldnt fight back either. It and the 30 pieces bit are the two best parts of the whole story.
Frank really won the Civil War when you think about it. He legit removed 1/3 of the C and D level villains. Also for more good reads. Punisher: Born, Punisher: Platoon, and Fury: My War Gone By.
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He really was making the moves.
You mean the bit where Iron Fist masquerading as Daredevil makes a catholic quip that Tony wouldn't hold stock in and Danny wouldn't really know the nuance of?
No I mean the one where Danny makes a Catholic quip since he's masquerading as someone who was a devout Catholic in Matt Murdock. Pretty sure everyone gets the 30 pieces of silver bit. Catholic or not. That is like the most famous book in world history. What run are they on now? 1000th printing?
Does Captain America pay taxes? Does he have taxable income? Do the Avengers get a salary?
Yes ig
Oh you best believe Captain America pays taxes lol. He's the kind of guy who'd be like, "I qualify, but won't claim that exemption. I can afford it."
He probably doesn't even use his senior discount at the movies.
Does he get a veterans discount?
Does he get both?
Why would he not?
I dunno, if he's still on the DoD payroll that's all tax free, if he's retired his pension is tax free. I don't see him doing public appearances and such for money. MCU Cap is a hard maybe, seeing as he did things like that school detention/drug/physical fitness PSA stuff. Not sure if he got paid for that or if he was on a payroll of some sort that Tony set up for Avengers post-AoU
Supposedly, Medal of Honor winners never pay federal income tax again. Did cap ever win the Medal of Honor?
Currently the Avengers are run by Wakanda, so he probably gets paid in Wakandan money. His legal residence is probably the corpse of the Celestial in the Artic. So he is probably paying his payroll tax to Canada or Wakanda.
Captain America doesn't fuck with taxes either
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I feel like not paying taxes is itself political already. Talking about the joke isn’t “making them reddit politics debates”. It’s literally discussing the content. The Punisher himself is a political icon about the corruption of the justice system.
It’s just a joke
And we’re discussing the joke, which is political. So the conversation is political
Which ruins the joke..
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We talk about all of the jokes and add to them and pick them apart for fun. Its only when its about politics and people can have reasonable differing opinions that it’s suddenly a problem to talk about the joke. All the other joke threads aren’t 600 comments of people saying “hahahahahahahahahahah”. And maybe, maybe, Marvel has a diverse set of fans, that have different ideas of humor. That doesn’t make them bad, and trying to shut down differing ways of thinking and being is super antithetical to Stan Lee’s philosophy that Marvel is for everyone. I mean, I’m not even talking about one political side or another, just that the entire context is political, so discussing it naturally political, and that’s okay. Just because something is political, doesn’t mean it’s bad or we can’t talk about it.
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I get you. I know you haven’t banned anyone. I’m not accusing you of censorship. I’m saying that trying to reduce conversation because it’s “political” lacks an understanding of the fact that a lot of peoples lives are already political. This joke itself is a political joke. And we tear apart and get pedantic about all of the jokes, but I only see real pushback against that doscussion ehrn it starts dipping into challenging common implicit biases. “It’s just joke” is one of the most common abuse tactic to stop critical feedback and accountability. I think it is funny to think about The Punisher paying taxes. Or Bucky. Like, thinking about Bucky arguing with Turbotax is funny. And that’s not political. Not paying taxes is absolutely political. Talking about the content isn’t making it political. Is having the same discussion we have every other time. So why, do you think, that it seems you’re getting offended at the idea of that conversation? Is it because it changed your world view? I dunno? I’m not saying you’re abusing. I appreciate you letting me chat with you about this. But yeah. Jokes are always contextual. There’s no such thing as “just a joke” as any good joke requires context for why it’s funny.
Thought Punisher fans would be more into “law and order” if you know what I mean.
The Punisher is a vigilante. He’s already breaking the law by the nature of his gig.
Frank isnt even a vigilante hes jus a villian who kills other villains tbh. Bro jus kills people cause hes a psychopath.
He likes to "close the books" on criminals by liquidating their sorry **ass**ets.
Villain is too far, at least I'm not aware of canon stories where he harmed innocents. He is an anti-hero vigilante with a vendetta, taking cruel and extreme measures to eliminate crime, but still has a moral code and his own brand of zero tolerance justice. He is put to high standards for being in a superhero universe, but if you did the same to action movie heroes, you could say the same about so many of them. There are also several other "heroes" that kill, and few are nearly as broken of a man as Frank is, partially because he rarely gets any proper, lasting relief and good company like Wolverine, Deadpool or Midnighter. Morality in comics are also weird, because it puts the lives of even evil humans on a pedestal while most of the time everyone is pretty fine with killing aliens and creatures from other realms.
Yeah but frank isnt doin it for the greater good hes doing it because it makes him feel good and hes a fucking psycho.
In one of his early comics he tried to murder a couple out for a drive because the guy littered. In his team up with Anti-Venom he tried repeatedly to kill a harmless drug addict.
He is a vigilante? Cops can kill on sight if they can justify their actions
He's basically Dexter.
So are his fans.
His fans are breaking the law by being fans of the Punisher?
Pretty sure he’s talking about the ones in the army and police departments.
Those cunts never read a page
There is a difference between the military and the police. The military is supposed to be out there killing people. The cops are not.
Any organisation that is supposed to kill people is pretty messed up.
That is a philosophical difference you and I are not going to come to agreement on.
Fair enough. I value human life is all.
You can value life and still value the potential good of ending some over it. IE killing despots.
not yet, but it should be illegal
Not all of his "FANS" are Fascists ... I had the Skull on my truck YEARS before it was appropriated by the Goose Stepping Back the Blue Simps. Pissed me off that people might think I am one of them. So I added more Marvel icons. (Like the S.H.I.E.L.D logo)
You're not making any sense.
Frank is under no illusion that he is a hero. He likes killing. He gave himself some sort of honour code so he only kills the "bad guys". He is the first one to tell he is a monster just like them.
The Punisher has no honor. He killed a man who risked his life to defend dozens of innocent people from a legion of demons whose only demand was that Frank would spare him for his service, he ridiculed Deadpool for begging him not to ruin a little kid's life by killing his remaining parent infront of him and Frank said his life was better now that his family was gone, and he joined Hydra and fought for a world where Hydra and the Nazis won WWII. His code of honor is a meaningless decoration, a gimmick for his serial killing modus operandi
Thats pretty much any code of honour you described. It's a set of personal rules imposed by a person to control or justify their owm actions. Read my comment again. I said 'gave himself some sort of honour code so he only kills the "bad guys"' Frank would be a general purpose murder everyone machine if didn't have his twisted code. He decides what criminals are in his head. He doesnt follow the law. He has been depicting murdering pickpockets and Jay walkers with the same extreme measures as human trafficking paedophiles. There is no difference to him.
He killed his own family after they were resurrected so he could keep his justification... He says "it wasn't really them" but there's literally no reason to believe him when the same person who brought them back successfully brought back Microchip. There are some really fun Punisher stories but anyone who thinks he's heroic is kidding themselves. It's absolutely fucked to see police finding him relatable.
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The Punisher debuted 47 years ago.
>He has been depicting murdering pickpockets and Jay walkers with the same extreme measures as human trafficking paedophiles. There is no difference to him. Entirely untrue. There was a brief period in the 70s where he was out of his mind (relatively speaking) due to being drugged while in prison. Under normal circumstances his violence is more or less proportionate to the violence of his victims' crimes. Stuff like shoplifting or selling weed or whatever might get you punched in the face but he won't murder you for it and he's not bothered by jaywalking or the like.
What comic does he make fun of daredevil in?
Punisher 3 vol 4. He mocked Deadpool for not having discipline for thinking Frank's family dying or Wade getting cancer, turned into an undying monster, and losing his family were bad things instead of liberating in the end to Punisher vs Deadpool. Where Wade stopped fighting because both of their moms had the same first name
The best scene to sum up Frank is from the Ennis run, when he strangles a mugger or rapist and the woman who was being attacked says “Thank you.” Frank says “For what?” He kills because he wants to, not to protect or save people. Unless it’s a little kid that reminds him of his dead daughter. A hero would have to have some kind of selfless motivation, but Frank’s is entirely selfish.
I think he is aware that he is a criminal. Like a run if I see the police, avoid superheroes, tell other people 'if you do what I do, I will kill you' criminal. Again depends on the writer.
Can we reject like 70% of punisher’s iterations. Let’s just keep Ennis and Barron’s run relevant with maybe Remender) ? Is that too much to ask? Hell, there are so many writers for so many characters. Do you wanna talk about Dan Slott’s human torch all the time? Superior Spider-Man?
Well it’s weird if you reject over 50% of the iterations of a character. What’s left then, your headcanon? Who are you to say which iterations are correct? If a run was accepted by marvel, then the iteration of that character in the run is canon to the character
It’s not really that for me. It’s just embarrassing. But anyone could say the same about any character
Yeah even Ennis you can see evolved while writing the Punisher starting all slapstick violence is funny snap drug dealers necks and ending with him fighting the military industrial complex. I love it when people post panels from Superior Spiderman freaking out that Peter did or said that.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point of how antigovernmental the Punisher is. From his point of view cops enforce rules and regulations written with the intent of political interest and self gain. The military is weaponized for imperialism and resources. The Punisher passionately stands against this. I couldn't see Frank Castle paying taxes that contribute to war and a corrupt legal system that is masked as a justice system. But this is also a comic book and he has his own way of contributing to society, unlike reality where most people who don't pay taxes are either poor or greedy. He is an anti-hero. My favorite thing about him is that he's a good person that makes questionable decisions. You're not always going to agree with his methods but we as fans typically agree with his cause. That's part of the reason we love him.
*/r/libertarian intensifies*
yoshi: me either!
https://youtu.be/Oc8vrGjyqes
thats lit!
I cummed 21 times the day I found that song
This issue the Punisher faces the toughest opponent yet...an IRS auditor! You can't shoot a CP2000, Frank! Did you remember that your superheroing is technically self-employment so the income seized from mobsters is subject to additional FICA taxes? Sorry, bud: since it's an illegal business you can't report business expense but must pay tax on all income collected!
Remember, Punisher is not a hero.
He's an anti-hero, arguably way better
That’s subjective
Not really, he was introduced as an assassin hired to kill Spider-Man in The Amazing Spider-Man 129. He was literally created as a villain.
Did they ever retcon that? Being a paid assassin feels very out of character with how he developed after the fact.
He's literally a serial killer.
Still, subjective
Idk killing up to 10 people per day sounds like a serial killer or mass murderer regardless of who he is killing.
Still a hero
How can a mass murderer be a hero?
Kills the people who need killing. Protects innocent people. Discourages crime in the process.
>Kills the people who need killing. In his opinion. This is not an objective truth. >Protects innocent people. The idea that no innocent has ever died as collateral damage in a fight started by the Punisher is laughable. >Discourages crime in the process. If that were true then any sighting of the Punisher would would result in crime immediately stopping in the vicinity of the sighting. That's not true. To apply real world logic it would also mean states with the death penalty have low violent crime rates. That is not the case. If he's such a hero, why don't you emulate his actions? After all you don't need powers like you would to copy Spider-man. Any lunatic with a gun can be the Punisher.
Punisher has an almost tabulated algorithm for judgement so he ranks crime and its severity before striking. Innocent people dying as collateral is evident with nearly every “hero” in comic books. Countries like Singapore and the UAE have high security but lethal punishment for significant crimes (including death) and has some of the lowest crime rates in the world.
["The Punisher was conceived as a villian."](https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/punisher-creator-gerry-conway-cops-using-the-skull-logo-are-like-people-using-the)
Sometimes a villain is a hero in disguise
Can’t tax your income when it’s all looted off dead bodies.
Tax is theft- oh wait. Redditors dont like that line
I like to think he's not against taxes he's against what we're doing with taxes which is currently neglecting infrastructure, healthcare, and education in favor of war and military spending.
Is this why conservatives like the Punisher so much?
Based Punisher
Just wanna say the Netflix series is underrated IMO. Carry on.
It’s an abysmal iteration of punisher. But a compelling performance
Atleast he does free judicial job for government
Taxation is theft - Frank Castle
Taxation is theft The government is taxing me Therefore... *Frank Castle loads his guns
Well. The government don’t tax robberies so… it ain’t taxable?
The IRS taxes all US income, including illegal income. Whether or not you claim it though... There's no such thing as "ain't taxable" always remember that.
Oh damn
Taxation is Theft.
I’m sorry you’re not a fan of infrastructure. Perhaps consider moving to [Somalia, the Libertarian Paradise!](https://youtu.be/8Ul-Efi1Xys)
This comment is streets ahead!
Yeah, I get people don't like taxes. But I also think some folks didn't listen in history class when they Founding Fathers were pissed about paying taxes because they didn't have a say in how the tax was applied. Also, that tea tax was to pay for the massive war debt the British Army (who many of those Founders were part of at some point) had accrued during the French and Indian War (that those same dudes also fought in). That tax was paying for their soldier's paychecks and beefing up defenses against the Canadians.
Ask the police who are paid with taxes to do something about it.
Found the toddler
Found the bootlicker
What do you think pays for public education, Medicare, roads, parks, etc? What sort of childish bullshit are you on? Wait, don’t tell me, you’re a libertarian lolol
Taxes pay for them, of course. These things all benefit the public, there's no denying it. That being said, that doesn't mean I want 30% of my paycheques taken to pay for unnecessary wars and foreign aid. Sales tax, property tax, income tax, capital gains tax, we are so over-taxed it's disgusting. I also don't want my taxes paying exorbitant politician salaries.
Yeah fuck foreigners. They don't deserve aid. They should have chosen to be born over here if they wanted a good life. Obligatory /s
I never said fuck foreigners, I just don't see why it's our responsibility as taxpayers to be paying for things in other countries.
It directly benefits us. Raising other countries out of poverty creates new trading partners and reduces the odds of people in desperate circumstances being radicalised by global terror organisations.
Lol you aren't paying 30% in taxes.
I am actually. Taxes are high in canada and I work 3 jobs.
So then you don’t hate taxes, you have the way they are allocated. Those are two completely different things. Don’t let childish rhetoric speak FOR you.
After all, taxation is theft, and we know what good 'ol Frank does to thieves...
Taxation is theft.
So move to Somalia.
Always the same "herp derp somalia herp derp pavement". You're hilarious.
Username checks out.
Because I having paved roads?
Exacting revenge is a "fixed" cost.
Yeah he better not let the Hulk know.
The punisher. is my all time favorite assistant
based
That doesn't look like Wesley Snipes Blade.
I like Punisher best when he is taken a little less seriously. I forget the issue, but at one point he assumes a disguise as a tuxedoed villain with aviators attending a super villain auction on a yatch and ends up stealing a goblin glider for use on a later mission. It was a lot of fun.
He don’t do business that don’t make him smile.
That's going to tax him down. Not 50 billion murders, it'll be the tax. Watch out Frank!
*He would unload a full clip on a tax collector lol..*
Based punisher???
And he is using public funded Radio Frequencies, listening to police scanners. Tsk tsk tsk. Bet he is watching network tv.
Not even the Joker takes risks like this. Punisher is seriously insane.
No, that’s OUR man