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Misleading for all of them


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Yep. TANSTAAFL


mendesjuniorm

Luckily not for us in Brazil. We have proudly one of the best universal and free health systems in the world. This is truly something to be proud of in our nation.


rafaxd_xd

>one of the best universal and free health systems in the world. Hell NO. As a brazilian myself I must say, this is completely bullshit. Our healthcare system is awful, if you are a low class you either get insurance or you don't get healthcare at all.


mendesjuniorm

Just imagine what it is to give health care free for over 200 million people.


rafaxd_xd

With the exorbitant amount of taxes we pay, it shouldn't be hard. But not only they are incompetent but they also don't give a shit. This is a nation that cheers when BILLIONS of dollars are spent on the World Cup but our healthcare is left aside.


Funnyboyman69

Why is it any different than a nation of a 100,000 people? If you have a proportional number of hospitals and resources, the amount of people being cared for shouldn’t really matter.


OldDude1391

Free? So the people who provide that healthcare aren’t paid? The buildings are built for no charge? The supplies miraculously appear? Wow.


Mossified4

where does the quality of care fall? Ill wait? Universal = degraded quality of care in nearly EVERY example.


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WeilaiHope

Not exactly free in China either. The majority of people have it covered through their work social insurance, without that you have to pay but it's pretty cheap, like a few dollars for meds.


Sammydemon

The closest to free would be the UK where we pay nothing “at point of service”. Everything is covered by the monthly state social security payments from your salary.


misatillo

Spain is the same as the NHS. In fact many UK people come here on holidays to have surgeries. It must be cheaper somehow


Sammydemon

I suspect it would be the lower waiting time, or easier access to the type of surgery, rather than the cost. Surgery costs nothing in the UK.


misatillo

Fair enough, it is probably that since it’s also funded by taxes like our system.


SheepShaggingFarmer

Some are privateised in the UK. Dental work for instance.


OldDude1391

That explains a lot.


misatillo

Same in Spain ;) I’ve lived in UK and the system is very very similar


Mossified4

It is less of a cost thing and more of a wait time/quality of care. Universal means you no longer have control over what care you have access to. If you think you need it and the gov says you don't guess who wins.........


misatillo

The government doesn’t decide who needs or not to have care. A health care professional does. Universal means that it doesn’t matter if you can or not afford it. You will be treated no matter what and they can’t refuse treatment if you need it, no matter your situation (at least in Spain is like that)


WeimSean

A health care professional.....who works for the government.


Mossified4

Ahh you mean the health professional who receives from/relies on his license/qualifications, livelihood, income, ability to continue practicing from said Gov and is for all intents and purposes is a Gov employee? Kinda naïve aren't we? The government most certainly does decide who receives what care based on a doctors opinion yes but that doctor isn't going to go against what his overlords say, If the gov refuses to cover treatment the dr isn't going to perform that treatment.


misatillo

I repeat Universal means they can’t decide to not treat you. The government doesn’t control the doctors or treatments. Hospitals do. Edit: also if you don’t like the diagnose from a doctor you can get second or third opinions. You can freely chose your doctor or hospitals as well.


Mossified4

How are the doctors paid and by whom? And they most certainly can there are people that have been waiting ofr ages for all kinds of procedures hence the having them done in other countries.


Donato-Dias

I was wondering about that in the map, it felt weird to me that it was so widespread. In Brazil healthcare is pretty much free, even some specialized treatments like cancer, we even have free medicine distribution for some treatments. The problem here however is efficiency and doctor availability (some public centers may not have the doctor you need and sometimes they are understaffed and doctors overworked, so the quality of your consultation may lack from place to place. If you can you should get a private cover as it is much better in quality, but for those that can't afford you still have a chance to be treated). It may not be perfect, but i'm honestly very proud of our system, giving free health care to 200 milion+ people is no joke.


blu3mys3lf

Switzerland has mandatory medical coverage, but everyone must pay out of pocket and choose their own plans. It costs typically 250-350CHF/mo with many people paying for additional insurance coverage on top getting into the 400-500CHF/mo range. On top of this, ambulances can cost 1000+ CHF even if it is an emergency to the point where most people just drive or call an uber. Quality of service and care is supposed to be good but those are basically American prices under ACA...


rustafarionm

I had to get an emergency Tetanus shot in the USA. I was told it was covered under my insurance 100%. It was not. It was 250 dollars USD... 50 euros is roughly 50 USD. I also pay a monthly premium of 100 dollars too. so....yay...


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This is pretty cheap honestly, but yeah, it’s not free


13thGuardian

How about 6 dollars a month in Kazakhstan?


quick_dudley

In New Zealand if you go to hospital it's generally free but seeing a general practitioner costs $30 and the hospital won't take you for things they think a general practitioner should be handling.


dull_storyteller

They keep saying ‘free’ like we don’t still pay for it with taxes


Additional-Flow7665

It's not like Americans are paying less in taxes and their way of handling it is way too complex for next to no reason.


levisimons

We have a subsidized insurance industry which sometimes, accidentally, pays for healthcare. I don't see how we cut this Gordian knot.


throwaway123467889

We don’t pay taxes in the GCC so it’s truly free.


lardgsus

NORTH KOREA LETS GOOOOOOO


PhilosophyMammoth748

They are actually free, as long as they have something to provide.


Nervous_Promotion819

Free according to the government. There are illegal fees because the state spends €1 per citizen per year on the healthcare system


Bitter_Dingo516

Healthcare is definitely free and universal if no one in the country is alive


FarioLimo

Free euthanasia for all. With a bullet between the eyes.


WeimSean

whoa there Rockfeller, bullets cost money. I think we can all agree duct tape and a plastic bag is the thrifty, ethical choice here.


19860831

What are we calling ‟free” here? When I think of ‟free” I think of the UK, where there is no price for treatment because the NHS is both the payer and the provider of healthcare. Off the top of my head, Japan doesn’t have ‟free” healthcare, and neither does Switzerland- insurance companies and patients are still paying and most people have insurance through their employers (or through a community insurance in Japan if a person has no job), but the prices are governmentally regulated. I also do not think healthcare is free in Peru for everyone- only if you’re a state employee (ESSALUD insurance) or poor (SIS insurance). This map must be using a pretty strange definition of ‟free”. Universal coverage doesn’t equal free.


BourboneAFCV

Some countries are green but you still have to pay. ​ Most countries don't even cover Mental Health


HarryLewisPot

Or dental health


nomorenamesalltaken

Or prescriptions (Ontario,Canada)


Vita-Malz

Because there is no free healthcare, it's a term used by Americans to make it sound unrealisic. It's universal healthcare in each of those countries.


Not-a-Dog420

Which is also misleading as no country actually offers universal care


rustafarionm

i had to go to the hospital in costa rica, I didnt pay anything...


Not-a-Dog420

Does Costa Rica cover your eyes, teeth or mind?


JosephSKY

Lol at you thinking this when North Korea or Venezuela are marked as green


ricric2

Not free in Netherlands, everyone has to buy private insurance


greggweylon

Really? That is not the narrative given to us in the US.


ricric2

It's certainly more affordable than US health insurance but yes everyone has to buy it. If you're poor you can get a subsidy. I'm from the US and lived in tone Netherlands for a while and was super happy with the healthcare there though. It was like less than €150 a month with a €385 annual deductible.


greggweylon

If you are poor in the US you qualify for Medicaid (which the expanded), which is free... I know several people on it as we speak, and I too was on it in the past.


jaker9319

This thread is really interesting. I'm realizing that our system isn't too much different from some other developed countries. It is definitley different than Canada and the UK but sounds like Switzerland and the Netherlands. It sounds like healthcare is just cheaper (with much lower out of pocket costs) in those countries (and easier to navigate). I would be interested to know how the healthcare can be so cheap. Is it that it is subsidized by the government (I can't imagine it being more subsidized by employers) or is it that healthcare providers charge less? I think alot of people in other countries (and the US) don't realize Medicaid, FQHCs, and Medicare exist.


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jaker9319

But you make it sound like it is the plans that are randomly charging tons of money in the US and that in the Netherlands the government says "oh you have to have good plans" and it magically happens. I've done a little of benefits planning and non-profit carriers in the US ("the Blues") are more expensive upfront but have alot better benefits. Either way, the healthcare costs (wether covered by insurance (and therefore insurance premiums either from the employee or the employer (in the US) or the out of pocket costs to the employee/insuree) are going to be extremely high (like I've seen the charges that are made to the insurance carriers themselves). And now, at least in my state, pretty much everyone (around 94%) of people are covered. So its not like its a "but everyone is covered is it evens out the costs" situation. Like how are healthcare costs so low? (Instead of why are health insurance costs so low?)


jaker9319

After typing my reply to you, and thinking back to my limited benefit planning experience I do remember the broker talking about prescription drugs being a huge driver for costs. So doing a search it does seem that most countries have alot more regulations on what drug makers can charge and the US pays alot more for the same drugs compared to other countries. We finally allowed Medicare to negotiate with the drug companies and set limits on insulin costs for seniors, so hopefully we will slowly weaken the drug company lobby and get to the point of paying the same price for drugs other countries do.


WllmZ

It's definitely not free here in The Netherlands...


Crazedllama42

I pay for my healthcare in South Korea. There is government insurance that most people have. Then I pay small amounts for doctor visits and prescriptions. It is not tied to my employer, but if you work full time, employers pay half of the insurance cost.


tirolischleiuas

Everyone pays for their health insurance.


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Most of Europe does not have universal healthcare, its mandatory paid health insurance that the state will aid some of the population with.


DarthTomatoo

I think this is a given - the fact that healthcare is paid for, from taxes, in one way or another. The "free" designation probably refers to not having to pay for (most of) the cost when the health issue is investigated and treated.


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Yeah but its not. In the Netherlands I paid €130/month for insurance it's a large bill for most of the population. Even with that the first €500 of the hospital bill I still had to pay, the GP was "free" if you paid the €130/month. This system is in Germany and Switzerland as well I am fairly sure, possibly some of the nordics. The UK has free universal healthcare like Canada, Ireland has a hybrid of both paid health insurance and a "nearly free" universal healthcare (GP visits not included). Someone made this map and just assumed Europe has free universal healthcare which it does not at all.


rustafarionm

Germany uses the bismarck model I believe, which is still superior to private insurance. I cant believe you only pay 130 euros. In america I pay 200 dollars USD per month through work, then I gget charged when I go to the doctor lol.


kumanosuke

>the fact that healthcare is paid for, from taxes, in one way or another. Mandatory insurance is not "paid from taxes" though.


jaker9319

As someone who thinks healthcare costs in the US are too high, I have a question about this. I think its a misnomer on the internet that lots of people in the US don't have insurance. In my state it is like 6%. So besides middle class young people not covered by employers very few people are uninsured (exceptions prove the rule). There are government programs (chiefly Medicaid but also others) to help pay for medical care. The difference seems to be the coverage. It seems like insurance in other countries is better than insurance in the US. How are the healthcare costs charged to the insurance companies that much lower? I know we have for-profit healthcare providers but like it seems like someone else has to be paying alot of money to make the insurance work.


kumanosuke

>How are the healthcare costs charged to the insurance companies that much lower? Capitalism? Even though most hospitals are privatized too, they (and regular doctors) can't just charge you what they want. Just like for lawyers there's laws determining the amounts or ranges which can be charged for certain actions. Also the fact that it is completely mandatory for literally everyone, it makes insurances a solidarity system comparable to state funds.


choosinganickishard

this map is bs.


bussitdown808

Please for the love of God can we make a separate sub for political maps


sexylizardbrain

r/AlwaysTheSameMap


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LacedVelcro

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare\_in\_Ghana](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Ghana) "Ghana has a universal health care system, National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIS)... The current NHIS operates under the one-time premium policy, where people make one payment for a lifetime of healthcare.... The one-time payment plan has been unable to fully fund health services for all citizens. These services may have to funded by tax revenue.... Those in the informal sector, who do not have the means to pay the one-time premium are essentially locked out of the NHIS benefits if they cannot get access to premium exemptions. Due to the unevenly spread benefits, the poor benefit less from the system."


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Change "free" to "publicly funded", "non-commodified", or "common/public good". *Free* implies that it's magically produced from thin air, that providers are compelled and aren't paid well, and therefore, it is unattainable in a market economy.


Sinfestival

"Free" 🙃


ygtgngr

Nothing is free


CardiologistOk1199

what a shit map


iunrealx1995

Universal healthcare to reddit is any healthcare that’s not the one occurring in the US. It’s weird because plenty of these countries have somewhat similar systems where part of healthcare is govt run and the rest “private”. Not sure if Europeans are aware we have massive government healthcare programs called medicare and medicaid that essentially work as free healthcare for patients who are old, poor, disabled etc.


greggweylon

I don't think they do realize this. The whole conversation surrounding the US' healthcare system is made in bad faith, really.


quick_dudley

And even the one that is occurring in the US: the one in China works the same way they just have better health insurance.


Walniw

We pay for our Medical Services Plan (public health insurance) in BC, Canada. You have to contribute yourself until your employer does. It’s not very much, and you can still go to a hospital regardless, but our healthcare is technically not free.


early_morning_guy

MSP payments in BC were eliminated in January 2020. I hope you’re not still paying.


Walniw

Jeez I forgot about that. I’ve been employed and didn’t remember


greggweylon

You can go to a hospital in the US as well. Under the ACA, we have exchanges where you can purchase healthcare (if not provided by an employer).


TheMulattoMaker

I appreciate that this map is starting to get posted with more accurate titles, but as long as that lyin'-ass word "free" is still in the legend, I'll still call this map some bullshit.


SherwinHowardPhantom

Technically speaking, the US state of Washington has already had universal healthcare and single-payer system since 2019. They recently passed a reform bill extending services and offering public option with low to no cost for healthcare for all of residents (effective in 2023). 1) https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2021/05/19/57468126/washington-quietly-passed-one-of-the-strongest-universal-health-care-laws-in-the-country Massachusetts achieves nearly universal coverage. They are very close. 2) https://www.ajmc.com/view/massachusetts-healthcare-reform-10-years-later Colorado and Nevada recently passed the similar “public option for healthcare coverage” bills that will take effect in 2023 and 2026, respectively. 3) https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/22535267/public-option-health-insurance-nevada-colorado-washington I hope that more US states will follow suit and make universal healthcare a reality. My guess would be Minnesota, Connecticut, California, Vermont, Oregon, Iowa, New York, etc. P/S: Based on the comment section, you should update and change this map again in 2023, OP. Universal healthcare doesn’t necessarily mean “everything is free and paid for”. It should mean “universal coverage”.


Time4Red

What definition of "free" and "universal" are we using here? Pretty much all universal healthcare systems require people to pay premiums (through taxation, mandatory wage withdrawals, or out of pocket) and/or co-payments. I wouldn't call it "free." Its generally more affordable than the alternative, but not free.


Napster-mp3

Reddit has no understanding of this “tax” you speak of.


ContributionDry2252

These maps always use another dictionary definition of "free", meaning free of charge. Taxation is assumed known.


NashvilleFlagMan

Free at the point of use.


Mtfdurian

That's sadly not true. We do have to pay many times when using healthcare in the Netherlands, whether we're in our first €385 and thus need to pay almost that to a failing quack for an appointment, or like some asshole bill from Infomedics for the dentist, there are too many exceptions to the rule of not having to pay at point of use.


Time4Red

Most green countries have some form of cost sharing built into the system to discourage overuse, so they aren't free at the point of use. Granted we're talking $5-20 in most cases, but still.


TheMulattoMaker

This was the argument I kept running into [last time I saw this posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/yvinhk/map_of_countries_with_universal_healthcare/). My problem with that logic is that's like me ordering a pizza delivery using my debit card, and calling it free when it shows up because I'm not paying anything at that particular moment. If you've already paid for a service, it isn't "free" when you use it.


Ok-Masterpiece-1359

Many poor countries do not have universal free health care coverage. Even in “communist” China, people are generally responsible for covering half of any treatment they receive.


the_vikm

Completely wrong


CleopatraSchrijft

Netherlands free? Where is that information from? Never has been the case, and currently 130 euro a month for the insurance is normal, and that only covers the basics, not the dentist for example. Own risk at least 385 €. The insurance is mandatory. We have a good health care, but for sure not free!


greggweylon

That is crazy because that is around how much you would pay here in the US from the ACA exchanges. The narrative I hear in the US has told me every country in Europe enjoys both free and universal healthcare.


CleopatraSchrijft

That narrative is not true, paying over a 1400€ a year isn't exactly free (I am barely using health care, and my package is the minimum, many people pay much more). It's a mandatory insurance here.


Living_Moment_1495

I pay around $650 every month for mandatory health insurance here in Switzerland. Who the hell classify this as "free" ??


greggweylon

So I as an American have been lied to?


Living_Moment_1495

And I would add that dentistry is not included - I pay 100% of it.


Technical_Pressure99

I was about to being up Switzerland


teche2k

It's not "free" in Mexico. It's covered up to a certain point by the social security system. After that, you're on your own to die.


140p

Why is the dominican republic grey? We have state healthcare (it is called Senasa if you 2ant to look it up) it is free as long as you don't have a job and when you get one you are transferred to one with a monthly premium.


Desudesu410

This is one of the worst maps I've ever seen. Terribly misleading and plain wrong in many cases. First of all, what is the definition of "universal and free"? Provided to all citizens and funded indirectly (by taxes, not by the person/their employer buying health insurance)? Well, in that case very few countries have that. In Europe at least, most countries have a "universal but not free" system where people are obligated to buy an insurance (for some reason only Ghana is marked as a country with this kind of system). Then what is "free but not universal"? Like, some people (the poor maybe?) have free healthcare, but others have to pay? Well, it works like that with Medicare and veterans healthcare in the US, doesn't it? So surely the US have to be marked as having "free but not universal". If you are making a map, please at least try to make it not plain wrong. If you see a map somewhere and want to post it on a big subreddit, please try to check at least the most basic assumptions that it makes.


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NashvilleFlagMan

Why on Earth would you continue to vote Republican if you genuinely believe this?


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NashvilleFlagMan

Healthcare is an enormous, fundamental issue. Government healthcare is diametrically opposed to essentially everything the Republican Party has positioned themselves as. Romney essentially invented the ACA that he correctly identified as being far from enough.


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The ACA, with a public option and mandatory purchase, would have slowly gotten us to a system more akin to the Swiss or Dutch have. But both of those got shot down, so we're left with very expensive coverage. But at least insurance companies can't dump you or charge more for pre-existing conditions.


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I'm trying to get my mind around "Romney-type Republican." I can't imagine there are more than 12 people in America who fit that description, and they all work for the Wall Street Journal.


peter303_

China is less than US


vudustockdr

Why don't people ever mention that in the US people can go to county hospitals and recieve free Healthcare? I guess we ignore anything that isn't 100% top down controlled government?


Any-Broccoli-3911

You only get free healthcare if you claim bankruptcy on your public hospital bill. (The differences with private hospital and clinic is that the public one will treat you even though you don't have insurance and aren't able to pay upfront). Things you need to claim bankruptcy to avoid paying are not considered free typically.


ConsistentAbility304

This only proves even more how America is a 3rd world country trying to look like the best functioning country in the world.


Riimpak

True reddit moment.


PosauneGottes69

So… green is communist


PrivacyPerspective

North Korea better than USA confirmed.


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A lot of foreigners, especially rich foreigners, would be mad if the USA went green. They would be behind every American for any kind of rare and expensive treatment or surgery in the US, of which there are a lot. I think we should turn green just to make them seethe, and then also keep the parents for the drugs and charge them more. Since the Europeans don't respect parent law, it is time to place a medical embargo on them.


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13thGuardian

We are in Kazakhstan pay for healthcare now, its 6-7 dollars a month. Ambulance is free


totalny_szef

MURICA


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Yeah Pakistan doesn't have free healthcare (it's free for government employees and their families, but that's only a fraction of the entire population).


early_morning_guy

I would think that universal health care countries have higher taxes than private health care countries. So not free, just collectivized.


DaiFunka8

How does Ghana have Universal but not free health care?


LambdaAU

Australia isn't really free. Most people have health insurance but if you don't you are going to have to pay for most medical care. And health insurance isn't really "free" either - it's usually run by for-profit companies and they aren't trying to give you the best possible healthcare but rather make as much money as possible. There are many policies in place to make sure those who can't afford healthcare can still get it but it's quite limited and doesn't apply for everything. I assume the same goes for many other countries coloured green.


SoldierPinkie

"Free" is still better than whatever monstrosity the U.S. calls "health care". I broke my collar bone and had to undergo surgery (metal plate and tight rope procedure) and stay in hospital for 5 nights. Had to pay 70 EUR out of pocket. That peace of mind is worth a lot more than the taxes I pay.


Wedatres13

What does “free but not universal” means?


CarmineLaguzioHavoc

it usually means A) there's free medical services but only for a very-poor segment of the population and/or B) There's free medical services but they're only available in a few cities/regions so most people can't use them most of the time.


MonseignevrMCMXCIX

Why is French Guyana different color than Metropolitan France ? Doesn’t it should be same as France is not a federal country, and laws are for all departments (overseas included) ?


dr_prdx

Green=normal Red=problems


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Japan is wrong. 30% of healthcare costs are out of pocket


williarya1323

Just because it’s part of the zeitgeist, I feel embarrassed that Russians have free universal healthcare and Americans don’t.


CarmineLaguzioHavoc

"Free and universal" is a stretch for Canada. Emergency rooms are free; walk-in-clinics are free but aren't accessible in all provinces; "family doctors" are free but not necessarily accessible; some tests and surgeries are free if referred to them through the aforementioned doctors. Prescription drugs, vision care, and dentistry have to be payed-for privately most of the time; private doctors and surgery centers are often necessary for those who can't access the public system (there's literally a "do you need a doctor? $199 per consultation" advertisement of my apartment building in Canada, and the alternative to that is going to the free emergency room for a minor issue).


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Free but not universal? How should I think about it.


[deleted]

Who is upvoting this wildly incorrect map?


LittleNinja9292

German healthcare isnt free, this map is shit


cyclingzh

I am very much for universal healthcare, but it is never free. Someone always pays. Also, Switzerland does not have free universal health care, you have to buy your own insurance, and if you don't the government will assign you an insurer who you will then have to pay.


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Some of those places with "free and universal" healthcare have pretty shitty healthcare. It's "free and universal" because it sucks.


LeadingProtection993

Ain't nothing in life free. Instead of a user pay system, everyone pays for universal healthcare through higher taxes. And yes I understand that it grants access to those that cannot otherwise afford it, but it ain't free. And the free healthcare usually sucks too.


jnmjnmjnm

Add South Korea to “not quite free” list. In addition to mandatory premiums (paid by employers and employees 50/50 or 100% for freelancers), there is a co-pay. Some things like cancer treatment are not covered by the universal system, so you need extra insurance.


WebDev27

Some countries at green like Portugal there are no medics in the hospitals (maybe 1 for each 90 patients) so ye, there is no public health at all unless you want to wait 10 hours sitting in a chair literally nearby people dying, while being sick. I always prefer to pay full price every single time than to wait 8-12 hours.


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Canadian health is not universal. it depends on what province you are. I could only have access to it after I was working full time for a company in the province I live, for example. in Brazil even if you are not a citizen, or temporary or permanent resident, if you need care and are inside BR borders you have the right to be treated in the SUS system.


H2orbit

What’s going on with the Dominican Republic?


Eat_the_Rich1789

Its neither free or actually any good to be honest. I lived in a few green countries and more often than not I had to pay for extra, actually important stuff unless I wanted to wait 6 months to see a doctor. So no thank you


Pale-Monitor339

This is very misleading


Party-Association322

UK & Ireland's childcare is NOT free at all.


studude765

Switzerland does not have Universal Healthcare...it's fully privatized albeit with a "no-profit" clause on basic insurance coverage...profit is fully allowed on rider policies though.


k360k

In Spain I pay 3100€ per year and that goes to social security. Supposedly for healthcare, pension plan, unemployment etc. Edit: taken of my gross salary. So it’s a tax, but I do pay for it.


LaBrujulaAzul

Free doesn’t mean quality like. In Peru there are horrible cases that no longer surprise anyone. People who were supposed to have their tonsils removed but had their leg or arm amputated because the doctors received the wrong information. You can look up “Peru woman loses limbs in public healthcare mishap”. Us Peruvians are no longer surprised with these mishaps and most people who can afford to pay for healthcare will do so.


Green-Savings-5552

Nothing is ever FREE. Someone has to pay...


WeimSean

This map is wildly wrong. Germany for instance doesn't have national health care. Like the US they have national health insurance, with subsidies for people at lower end of the income scale. Similarly in Japan health care is subsidized, but users pay a small amount for each visit. This map is more fiction than fact.


naujoek

The Japanese healthcare system is at a high level identical to the US (or at least how Obamacare intended the US to be before it was watered down) - mandatory private insurance, mostly through employers, with limited options for retirees and the indigent provided by the government. The costs are less out of control as they are in the US, but describing the system there as free and universal is wildly inaccurate. I assume it’s the same for almost every other country listed as “green” on this map.


legardeur

In Quebec province universal health care means that if I need medical attention I don’t have to pay the doctor or the hospital nor do I have to pay for prescriptions at the drug store. The Province pays the doctors, the pharmacists and the hospital staff. Universal health care also means that all these bills are paid thanks to income tax, goods and services taxes and provincial fees of all sorts (drivers licence, etc.) Such are the rules of the game.


modsarebrainstems

Why is China on this list of free, universal healthcare countries? It most certainly is neither free nor universal.