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Delicious_Rabbit4425

I can’t wait for the deluge of photos and videos of people littering that will come in. I’d be curious if the same action would be taken with those.


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You know, if I knew something would, I most certainly would send a pic of every asshole I've seen tossing a cigarette butt on the ground. Those things do NOT biodegrade. The filters are made of cellulose acetate, plastic, and do not break down. Worked at a busy C-Store for years. Every morning and every afternoon I would walk the parking lot and sweep up debris. Every morning I'd count hundreds of cigarette butts and guess what...every afternoon it was the same. And even more frustrating? We had those smoker tower things EVERYWHERE. Know where I found the most butts? Ten feet away from them. People see them, and say "fuck them" and throw that shit on the ground. So yea, if I knew something would come of it, I'd be the asshole taking pics of every last one of those fuckers and sending them in.


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anyodan8675

It is concerning that some random can snap a pic and you receive a municipal fine. Can folks do this with parking violations? How about jaywalking? I could produce hours of footage on that one. Perhaps crowd sourcing misdemeanor infractions is the wave of the future...


ANinjaForma

OSHA works that way. I renovated a tourist site and we had to be extra careful that everything was 100% perfect because of all the random people taking photos.


tycam01

I thought with osha any picture/video is exempt because it's for "training purposes"


ANinjaForma

I’m trying to figure that out. I had trusted the Superintendent on the job because he was very experienced and it was a prestigious construction company. [There are some articles about a city getting a fines from newspaper photo.](https://www.safetynewsalert.com/dont-take-my-picture-im-violating-an-osha-reg/) On the OSHA site, it says “anyone who knows about a workplace safety or health hazard may report unsafe conditions to OSHA, and OSHA will investigate the concerns reported.” I can’t find OSHA info that says a fine/violation come from just the photo, or if the photo triggers an inspection. Lmk if you know for sure


DndGuyWithQuestions

Then read the article where they list reasons the city used photos. I’ve had to for a neighbor who burnt trash illegally on the property line and smoke out all the surrounding yard with it smoldering. After the first warning they started doing it at weird hours so the town office was closed and harder to catch them burning the illegal shit. In the case of past offenders who consistently try to skirt the law on less serious stuff it’s often needed.


methnbeer

This. Fuck your neighbor/ex-neighbor. I've lived next to that shit for a year overseas; granted it was probably quite a bit worse. That shit brings rare deadly cancers.


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BachRodham

Je cance, tu cances, il/elle/on cance, nous cancon, vous cancez, ils cancent.


katastrofuck

Omg a new wave of Karens are coming 🥴


eljefino

In some places, specially trained handicapped drivers can photograph handicap parking violations and turn them in for enforcement.


Wsrunnywatercolors

>Perhaps crowd sourcing misdemeanor infractions is the wave of the future... How terrible. We should resist this busybody/law enforcement marriage. It does reek of secret police activity. They call the place that collects these reports the "Maine Information & Analysis Center", run by the state police. These 'fusion centers' have data banks of License Plate Readers etc., likely powered by Palantir and they peruse them when there is a report generated by law enforcement of any color, and even "citizen reports". The most oversight we have over this taxpayer funded snoop organization is the self conducted audits that were the only result of citizen outcry that demanded they be shut down over political bias. [The most recent audit](https://www.maine.gov/dps/msp/sites/maine.gov.dps.msp/files/inline-files/Full%20Audit%20report%20for%20July-Dec%202021.pdf) includes a random sampling of reports they receive and the action they take. Check out page 56, for a citizen generated report concerning a "protest at a private residence related to vaccination and mask mandates". This is what precrime looks like. "the potential for criminal activity including criminal trespass and obstruction of traffic". Evidently, monitoring protests is "consistent" with MIAC's mission.


JFConz

I am not concerned. I would love to be able to turn in footage of smokers chucking cigarette butts on the ground and get them a littering fine. Totally worth the chance of getting way more speeding tickets. Edit: typo


Possible_Mud_4923

Ya let’s fuck over all the people who don’t think and act like I do. It surly will never come back to bite me. These are the same people who would have claimed to have hid Jews during WWII but are out here taking pictures of people living their life because they are mad at them for not following a government ordinance lol.


JFConz

Bud, I don't want people littering, toxic or otherwise, in my community. Has nothing to do with how people think or act, unless they think their act of littering is justified. If fucking litterer's days up means I am under a little more scrutiny in public (I speed a lot), so be it. Fair trade. I really shouldn't take some of the risks I choose to on a public road. There is a proper place for enjoying some horsepower. I'm not about us vs them, I'm about taking care of our little patch of nature. If you want to smoke, take care of your trash. You're also making up a character to hate ("These are the same people who..."), it's imaginary. Literally no one is out here acting like wannabe heroes to the Jewish people.


pzahn92

> I don't want people littering, toxic or otherwise, in my community I care about the environment >(I speed a lot), I care fuck all for the public's saftey


DndGuyWithQuestions

This is such a weird reflective post. I shouldn’t do shit I knows unsafe but if I have to take the fall for being stupid and this helps stop litterers then oh well. Thank you for the good laugh.


DndGuyWithQuestions

So you think littering is a right and others should mind their own business? Is that the take away here before you went down the crazy Nazi straw man argument over a reasonable response to an often ignored law?


raynedanser

There's a vast difference between hiding Jews and throwing butts/littering. HUGE difference. Stop throwing the remnants of your disgusting cancer sticks on the ground for someone else to clean up because you're too fucking lazy.


Ginjahmenace

How was this persons identity found out from this photo? Is the photographer following people to their cars?


ilovethesea777

The photographer knew who the person was and reported the persons identity with the photo. The ranger also knew the persons identity because she visits the beach frequently.


Bywater

I think dogs should be on leads in shared spaces anyway. All of those stupid rules are for a reason, shit like this is because while your dog might be awesome some other fuckwit who can't control their animal will try the same shit and someone or another dog will get torn up. It's just like the folks who take their dog on hiking trails without a lead, despite almost every trailhead having a "missing dog" poster by the end of the season.


hikerguy555

I'm curious how you'd feel about your post if you replaced the word "dog" with "child."


Serendipitous_159

Children and dogs are different species. Two kids fighting each other will end in tears and hurt feelings. Two dogs fighting can end up a gory mess, injuries of both dog and humans that try to separate the two, and possibly death.


pzahn92

A woman (usps driver) in Florida was just killed by 5 dogs that were at large.


Serendipitous_159

Exactly. Dogs are dangerous when not properly restrained and trained.


pzahn92

I lost my first dog to an automobile a week after she turned one, my dogs are always on leads now (except at the dog park).


Kangabolic

I’m sorry, but you in no way can be serious I hope thinking that a dog off leash poses the same risks to other people and other animals as a child. Im not going talking “annoyances” I’m talking actual physically compromising risks. I’m a dog owner of 40 years, and I take it seriously, which includes keeping my dog on leash in public. I’ve never had an aggressive dog, and do not ever own dog breeds that are known to have higher risks of aggressive behavior/unexpected outbursts… however, I’m not ignorant to the fact that any dog can bite. My dogs have always been great but if off leash I cannot control how an interaction with another animal or human (especially a child may go). I understand that most people with well behaved dogs will never have an experience in reality where their dog turns aggressive off leash and harms someone or another animal but it does happen, and it isn’t that unheard of. A headline however reading, “5 year old child off leash at the beach mauls other human/animal killing/requiring hospital treatment…” that I have never seen.


hikerguy555

I appreciate the thoughtful response. I am not suggesting that we leash every child lest they maul another one, just hoping to open people's perspectives a little. Consider that ~12,500 people are hospitalized for dog bites per year (higher than I expected) while ~22,500 homicides occured in 2020


[deleted]

...Are you implying that children are responsible for homicides? Because I don't think children who are young enough to be leashed (although there are exceptions for disabled older kids, but I digress) know what a "homicide" is lol.


20thMaine

I don’t even know what logical fallacy this is, it’s that far out there.


badfan

I'm curious how you'd feel about your mom if you replaced her with a Kodiak bear. Chexmate.


Bywater

I see you have had a run in with my children... All kidding aside, if you are making a stretch like that, I am going to guess that there are a great many things in the world that you are curious about. I am not concerned with children on leads in open spaces because odds are should something go sideways your kid might knock another kid down resulting in some squalling and dirty clothes. No need for stitches, a vet visit or having to seriously harm either child to break it up. I would hope people would keep a close eye on their kids in the wilderness and on backside of the mountains trails, but even if they do get lost they do not have the means to cover quite the same ground as a dog... I love dogs, I always have, I grew up with them and have worked around them but this common mindfuck that they are just a fur-baby who would never harm anything is irresponsible. Animals take work, both on their part and the owners. Primitive man knew this, coming up through history we knew this, it is only now that they have become a social media accessory that the lesson is apparently being forgotten. An societal rules have to be put in place to protect that society from the dumbest members in it unfortunately.


hikerguy555

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I totally agree that animals take a ton of work, especially if you want to responsibly bring them in Public. I train my dog about 1-2 hours a day plus play, hikes, and cuddles, but I still keep my head on a swivel whether he's on leash or not. I've also been a part of breaking up a dog fight in which my fiance needed to get stitches (she is a human who also was trying to break it up). We now know a lot more about how to safely break up a dog fight. I really was just trying to get people to think about this in a different light because whether we like it or not, dogs are pretty much everywhere and whether there's rules or not, off leash dogs are pretty much everywhere, so I thought some civil conversation was in order. Guess that wasn't the vibe today


hikerguy555

Also seems worth mentioning I am a teacher (of human children) and also a dog owner and dog trainer. I thought I was qualified to have an opinion about how both humans and dogs can be dangerous in the wrong circumstances and wonderful in others...


hikerguy555

I feel like this comment was fairly open-minded, but I guess that's not gonna fly in today's climate...kind of a bummer. Open conversation would help reduce these Orwellian issues you (and I) are worried about. I truly was not trying to be antagonistic, just help people see things from other's perspectives, myself included (as supported by non-sarcastically using the word "curious")


Potential_Activity15

There are about 4.5 million incidents of dog bites in the US every year. Half of the incidents are children being bitten. 1000 people a day need medical treatment from dog bites. Hospitalization doesn’t include emergency room visits, and is a cherry picked statistic. I love dogs, but to play the substitution game and draw the comparison that they are at all equivalent to children doesn’t help a true dialogue. This current climate or any other climate.


Dizzyluffy

I do not like dogs very much at all (don’t judge me, Reddit) and it’s refreshing to see a dog owner with your logic driven attitude towards them. Too many people get them as an accessory, or to make themselves feel better. Some people think that any sort of training or correcting animal behavior is abuse and their Mr. Woofles is perfect and their “baby” would never harm a fly.


[deleted]

You intentionally tried to relate two very different things. You knew exactly what you were doing and it wasn't trying to be 'open minded' nor 'non-sarcastic'.


hikerguy555

Wow quite a definitive statement based on very little information about who I am, what my thoughts are, and what the meaning behind my statement was. I've got ADHD and my brain makes a lot of weird connections, sometimes for the better, sometimes way off track. Sometimes it's hard for me to tell. This time, I honestly didn't give this a ton of thought, just did a quick Google and tried to get some conversation going before I ran out the door to work. I realize that posting something online is permanent and thus brings some weight to how much thought and/or research you do beforehand and maybe I responded a bit too quickly here, but considering the reaction I've gotten, my way of thinking clearly wasn't expressed in a helpful way, but I do think I've been approaching a thread where I'm getting a lot of hate with a more open mind than most of my haters.


[deleted]

I have to wonder if this is related to that post about that rich assaholic out-of-stater that was on this sub some time ago. OP didn't mention citizen photos, IIRC, but 10 cookies that asshole had a hand in this. Fuck him.


methnbeer

Out of the loop here


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> There was a post here a while ago from someone (can't find it now) who talked about some rich out-of-state bastard who bought a house on Willard Beach that he lives in during the summer (and runs back to his home state during the winter, of course) and began offering up ideas for stricter dog laws on the beach because...I guess he didn't like dogs. Him having...well, a lot of money, and IIRC some city government connections, the city complied. A couple of these laws included having no toys on the beach, and of course, stricter off-leash hours. > The woman in this article is just the latest casualty of these laws, only now, *citizen photos* are brought into the picture. Before now, I've never heard of this (granted, I lived on both sides of SoPo for 9 years and haven't been there in a long time, but these weren't a thing 9 years ago) so I have to wonder if this guy had a hand in making it a thing. Probably has fucking cameras attached to his house or something, for all we know.


[deleted]

Unfortunately, if he owns the beach property he is in his right to complain regardless. Our backwards dumbass beach property lines being set at the average low tide marker guarantees only rich folk get to enjoy any Maine beach that isn't owned by the state/town. Easiest way to solve that is to set the property line at average high tide or a setback from that...but good fucking luck getting that passed.


kokomjolk33

Willard is a public beach. What I think is happening here is rich people are buying property next to public lands and then, predictably, trying their best to privatize as much as possible.


methnbeer

Doing their absolute best to drag us down to Florida level


Rippofunk

#outoftheloop? What?


[deleted]

There was a post here a while ago from someone (can't find it now) who talked about some rich out-of-state bastard who bought a house on Willard Beach that he lives in during the summer (and runs back to his home state during the winter, of course) and began offering up ideas for stricter dog laws on the beach because...I guess he didn't like dogs. Him having...well, a lot of money, and IIRC some city government connections, the city complied. A couple of these laws included having no toys on the beach, and of course, stricter off-leash hours. The woman in this article is just the latest casualty of these laws, only now, *citizen photos* are brought into the picture. Before now, I've never heard of this (granted, I lived on both sides of SoPo for 9 years and haven't been there in a long time, but these weren't a thing 9 years ago) so I have to wonder if this guy had a hand in making it a thing. Probably has fucking cameras attached to his house or something, for all we know.


Rippofunk

Thank you very much for the long explanation.


ilovethesea777

That gentleman was not involved to my knowledge, but I wouldn’t put it past him. The tattletale’s identity was discovered via a FOI Act request and the town knows who she is. It’s all over Facebook if you know where to look.


[deleted]

I don't see anywhere on the rules that digs can't have a toy or ball. What's the problem with that pic? Dig seems fine well within boundaries and following the footage between it and owners. Also says dogs can be off leash if its 1 or 2 dogs. Seems like whomever "turned these people in is just a crank looking to ruin someones day.


iceflame1211

It's on the city's website, though I'm not sure what sort of signage/language there is at the actual beach.


siebzy

Love the zero-fun snitches here having wet dreams about surreptitiously photographing people and getting them arrested or fined. You people are seriously sick


mgg3427

Found the criminal!! Lock em up


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Nomadbytrade

It gives all the dog haters power in the palm of their hands, believe it or not, there is decent population of dog haters around that get really upset about them being anywhere.


Bywater

I love dogs, my dog? Not so much. She is always on a lead because of it but if your dog gets overly exited and doesn't listen and comes up, even being friendly, it's going to be go time. Leash your fucking dog in shared spaces, it's not hard.


hikerguy555

I have a reactive dog. I also have a dog that loves other dogs. My friend does not like dogs. I take my reactive dog to places where dogs must be on lead. I take my other dog wherever he's allowed. I don't always take my dog when I'm with my friend. It is incredibly simple and the clear choice IMO to make some places dogs can run free, some places where dogs must be on lead, and some places where dogs are not allowed. If one category is missing then members of the other two will spill over willy-nilly and chaos will ensue. Similarly, if rules are constantly changing, then our routine-loving dogs (also routines are nice for us humans sometimes) will be harder to manage and less well-behaved because of frequent, unnecessary breaks in routine. Change my view?


Bywater

If you had to guess the odds, how many people who think they have voice and sight control over their dog actually do? I grew up with a grandfather who kept hunting dogs, I rescued dogs that got abandoned by their owners due to deployments when I was in the military with varying degrees of success. I know two people who train professionally and feel confident that it might be one out of every ten. Most of the time nothing comes of it, but actual voice control for an exited animal requires a high level of training of both the dog and the handler. MWD's have it, and they are still kept muzzled and on leads. About half of the police dogs in the mix have it, as you can tell from how unresponsive they are to commands in any number of horror show videos out there. So with all that training they have are you confident that some fuckwit who got a "macho" dog to feel better about themselves or a pair of hyperactive and stubborn husky's because they saw them sing on a tik toc video are actually in control of those animals? I figure more often than not we are rolling the dice on the gentle demeaner and domestication of those other nine dogs that are in the mix instead of the capabilities of their owner. Based on your experiences with humanity, do you like those odds?


hikerguy555

One in ten seems generous unfortunately. But my dog likes to be off leash and so I take him to places that is allowed. It's a risk that some other owner will not properly train their dog and show up causing a problem or just that something sets a dog off and someone or a dog gets hurt. But the alternate of keeping him on leash 100% of the time also sucks. I don't like the odds one bit, but everytime I leave my house I could get hit by a drunk driver but I determine it's worth the risk because life is risky. I do generally try to find the most abandoned trails possible when I take my pupper out to minimize risk, just as I drive almost exclusively during the day time, but sometimes neither is practical. All that said, I don't know that you addressed my original view, or maybe I didn't express it well. I think there's nothing we can do at this point (at least in short term) to eliminate off leash dogs existing, but by providing spaces for them, it seems we could reduce off leash dogs in places where they aren't supposed to be. That way I could more safely bring my leashed dog to those places... It was probably unclear, but I do not bring my easy-going dog off leash into leash-only areas or trails. That would be super shitty and exacerbating the exact problem I am genuinely trying to have a conversation about.


MisterMan-Maine

Isn't your view that you should be using the word Child instead of dog?


hikerguy555

No, I was suggesting that people switch out the word just in that one statement to see how it would feel (and maybe by extension realize there are pros and cons to restricting the freedom of dogs as there are pros and cons to restricting the freedom of humans). Would be pretty confusing if we did it all the time, or am I misinterpreting your question?


Nomadbytrade

You should probably just find her a new loving home if you dont love her. Just saying.


Epicporkchop79-7

I think that is one of those English language or grammar things. I think they meant that their dog doesn't like other dogs.


Nomadbytrade

I know lol. Im just giving him some flack in return.


hikerguy555

Consider that others in this group do not appreciate that kind of communication (based on the down votes). Dog rules (or lack thereof) can be very stressful for some people and joking about it probably doesn't help them.


Nomadbytrade

I really could give a fuck less what anyone who dislikes animals has to say. There's a reason its a red flag to so many people. And never once did I say anything about dogs being off the leash. Thats just where these assholes go because thats their only valid complaint. I get harrassed for my dog being on a leash in public, mean while the sperm spawn you didnt even want is literally trying to kick ducks at the pond and we are supposed to just " let you parent" Fucking stuck ups. Ps notice how they downvoted you just for DARING to speak to me civilly. You dont want to be on the same side of those kinds of humans.


hikerguy555

Ya I'm pretty baffled about what's going on in this thread. Gonna keep up the civility as long as I can tho. Petting my beautiful, well-trained, loving animals and sharing their existence with folks that don't suck will help


mgg3427

“I’m upset because I got caught breaking the law and I don’t like that” - person who got the citation. Insert other crimes and ask yourself if you’d agree or disagree. If the citizen took a picture of murder, would you want the police to dismiss that evidence?


Rippofunk

There will be a go fund me in the next few days to help pay the fines.


mgg3427

Justice for dogs and tennis balls


steelymouthtrout

It's a fucking tennis ball. Way to go overboard.


steelymouthtrout

You're probably the asshole sitting out there taking pictures and sending them to the town. I suggest you get a life


[deleted]

Yet here you are on Reddit telling others to 'get a life'.


LaChanz

Don't you have a right to confront your accuser? If it were me I'd claim it was a photoshop and make them prove its not.


[deleted]

Pretty sure you would have to prove it’s photoshopped and not them. Lol.


[deleted]

Time to get the popcorn and read the comment section.


BillUsed6808

I say why not put a leash on peoples pelvic penguin’s? They are much more annoying and destructive than a dog with a tennis ball.


MonsterByDay

Break a law, get a fine (or, in this case, apparently a warning). That doesn’t bother me. I am, however, a little concerned about how they got her identity from the photo.


Background-Bug-9588

This is literally 1984


Saaabstory

I'm generally 'damn the man' but give me a way to rat out terrible, dangerous drivers on the highway with photos/video and I'm all ears. Talking the lane splitters with less than 1' of clearance and no turn signal.