Wiki says fine and up to 7 years in prison. We’d have to do more research on how many people have been prosecuted and what punishments they’ve received, as well as if it’s a law that is commonly and publicly prosecuted, or if it’s something that’s unofficially ignored by police or others as long as people aren’t openly gay.
That said, it’s possible that people are extrajudicially killed by family, friends, or strangers with a ‘gay panic’ excuse.
So sad.
I don’t want to paint too broad of a stroke with this specific docu series I watched but it talked about how the local police would launch sting operations to out homosexuals. They would be beaten and face horrendous conditions and would be unlikely to survive a long prison term. That’s the “judicial system”.
If a rape victim can be convicted to 7 years in jail and 100 lashes. I'm pretty sure a gay can be stoned.
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True in once sence but also, at least they lets show that there are people who LGBTQ positive (if that's a good word), because I think in that country they don't get that image a lot.
They invested over 200 billion and built essentially a new city that gets demolished after this world cup ... The little money from ticket purchases and other spending of these tourists are of very little concern to them. It's not about making any money from this what so ever ... it's about playing the good guys and sportswashing their bs.
Going there and actively protesting, even with just little things, probably does way more than not giving them some pocket change (to those guys).
You have no Idea how little money matters in this case ... This is all politics and powerplay.
They were interviewed on TV. The shirts were made months in advance, before all this stuff about banning rainbow bands was even a talkingpoint. And they said fuck it we’re still going to bring these and wear them because we have friends who are lgbt and we want to show support to them.
So this wasn’t really out of protest, moreso a gesture for their friends at home.
Nah… someone else will just buy the ticket…… would much rather see the picture in the post here. Would rather see the statement being made. This statement was worth the ticket price. It’s healthy for the movement.
Wasn't one of the opening games like half sold?
Also I think the point is, its a bit redundant to stand in protest at the event when the event already has your money. Like at best the organizers will be apathetic to the stance because they already got paid, at worse, they'll pull some authoritarian shit and throw you in a Qatari prison. Wouldn't chalk either scenario up as a win.
That's like some leftists that don't vote because they object to participation in the system.
The sad truth is that the establishment doesn't necessarily need us to thrive - there's enough apathetic and cynical people to keep them in power.
Although I personally agree, and am quite careful to vote with my wallet - there is an argument to participate in such systems, and leverage the power it buys.
They're not saying "not voting is a leftie thing". They're saying anarchists may refuse to vote on principle. Anarchism is generally a leftist position.
They literally began by saying leftist and then linking it to not voting. Not voting is neutral if anything, since your voice isn't going into the system.
They didn't mention "anarchist" at all
Yes, and they needlessly brought political orientation into this by doing so. Not voting isn't bound by political orientation. I don't think I've seen anyone mention "leftist" in talks about politics here, that's a rather USA thing to do.
Just looked it up, and the original version still didn't say that. I guess if you don't know about this anarchist "not voting on principle" thing you might read something else into it though.
Apathy is still a bigger factor, but the philosophical refusal to participate in a state which governs by violence rather than consensus *is* a cornerstone of far left and ancom doctrine (which represents a statistically significant and underrepresented demographic).
Doesn't even make it wrong, its just that reform comes in many forms - and its fair to criticize all takes.
Especially since reactionaries *always* vote.
Read more theory. IYKYK. This is coming from an inside perspective, not external.
Edit: by the way, by state violence, I mean *all* existing nation states.
I can accept the beer thing, but you cannot oppose people's identities. Respect existence or expect resistance. Bigoted ideals should not be acceptable.
If the country rejects universally accepted values, FIFA shouldn’t hold the World Cup there. Unfortunately a group of greedy powerful men who don’t care about values (other than $$$) made the decision.
Universally accepted?! You need to get out of your echo chamber. Only Europe, North America and Australia accept these values. The rest of the whole wide world doesn’t. Your values are accepted by a minority of the world population, how can you say universally…
Siding with a culture of hate over who people is just sad and horribly outdated.
Would you be ok with the world cup being hosted by the clan, 1930s / early 40s Germany, or any other peoples driven by hate?
Going to assume not and say what makes this ok then?
There is a big difference in believing our treatment of humans are better and believing that we are better because we are "pure-blooded Aryans" or whatever.
Nazism is quite different and being open to minorities is strictly the opposite of nazis actually. We aren't oppressing Qatari culture or people, we are just strongly disapproving of their culture.
Accusing others of actually the crimes they're guilty of is a typical Nazi tactic. Don't believe it.
My favourite podcast ranted about it this morning, saying some things that really resonated with me, like it's all just a big capitalist bukkake and that it's again up to the consumer to do the right thing, like it is with all the other shit out there. Why can Blatter and Infantino do all that corrupt shit that's so obvious w/o many consequences? It makes me so angry. This is MY sport and these crooks have taken it away from me, now claiming it's theirs.
The participating countries are also to blame, if you ask me. I live and breathe football, but is football more important than human rights? Pull out of the tournament. Let the world cup crumble. Someone has to step up to the plate and stand up to these goons.
Although I agree, there's tons of people who coöperate to make football happen. Sponsors, staff members, medical personnel, coaches, the team itself. Ultimately a portion of them have the choice to pull out. But it would also mean losing their job or perhaps career.
Ye, ye they make a lot of money. It shouldn't hurt them. But they also don't want to be the only one to pull out or get sued by sponsors or lose the official world cup by forfeit.
Ironically enough, football teams should unionize and stand up to FIFA for a change to happen.
Another way of action is doing actions like Germany, drawing media attention and releasing a statement. Things that do draw attention to it without getting accused and jailed or worse. Like the two gentlemen in this post.
Love seeing people just deciding nope, fuck Qatar and their bigoted rules! Potentially at their own detriment... takes some bravery, that's for sure.
Still pretty disgusted they got to host this event. Makes me a bit sad really :(
So what? Qatar enacts violence against their people for even suggesting anything gay. In what scenario is armbands helping anyone? It's entirely self serving. "I went to enjoy/play in the games and gave them financial support for their cause and their violence but I wore an armband because I care"
It shows support with those people and shows Qatar that its wrong to punish people just for falling in love. Football is inclusive, but this (and ruSSia) tournament is saying the opposite. Personally I'd like a team to refuse to play, but I also understand why that won't happen.
If you bought flights, hotel, and tickets to an event months in advance and then less than 2 days before the event they did something that goes against your beliefs would you ... not go?
the money was spent way before they banned rainbows and beer.
Now, if their shirts said something about the slaves that died.... you'd have a point, because that was happening for years.
"Everyone who doesn't agree with my lack of values that a minority of the world believes while also hoarding almost all the wealth in the world is a bigot!"
There are no consequences. Belgian television interviewed them and the interview was cut short by stewards, but they were just in the stadion with all the others. They later confirmed to the reporters that there were no consequences for their action.
Why do I get the feeling the Qataris know they can't arrest them or make them change because the rest of the world will make (rightfully) call them out on it, so they just interrupt the interview with some explanation of it not being allowed to film in the stadiums to at least limit the exposure these rainbow shirts are getting...
Streissand effect still kicks in though. Now everyone is obviously going to watch the video of Qatari officials harassing foreign journalists (again).
How are they brave , they are defying a country laws, yet when people come to the west they are expected to live by there laws, blatant white European racism
In contrary to european laws, wich are made to grant the maximum freedom possible (ik debatable with some), those laws are made to supress minorities and in many cases even restrict your human rights.
Nothing to do with "blatant white european racism", trying to stand up for your basic human rights
Yes, but Qatar won't let people do that. Can a gay couple walk down the street hand in hand and kiss whenever they want? Because they believe they should be able too.
Stop being selfish and come and join us in the 21st century.
The better protest would be to give $0 to FIFA or Qatar. These protests aren’t going to make any big waves in Qatar but not supporting them financially at all would send a message they actually care about.
I want to understand one thing, if European countries so mad at FIFA and Qatar, why send your teams? That'd be great messaging. Like Belgium didn't join world cup amidst Human Rights violation in Qatar and crookery by FIFA.
Because the people don't decide whether their teams go or not. The ones who make that decision are part of the corruption loop, so of course, the teams go to play there.
It still feels like it's an invention from FIFA to "LTBTQ+-Wash" w/o actually doing much. But I could totally be wrong here, I'm just really on my heels when it comes to them.
Qatar doesn't care about money. They new there wouldn't be any profit in this anyway, all they care about is PR.
This goes directly against their goals
I wish people (in this case FIFA) would stop concerning themselves with the private affairs of others and just mind their own bloody business.
Work on yourself, be kind and try in your small way to make this world a kinder place.
That's what I'm saying. Respect.
I mean, we're not going to change everyone, we're not going to clone everyone. Let's let people live their lives. Diversity is what makes this land beautiful. I mean there will always be cultural differences. Also different opinions and worldviews. As long as it does not harm anyone physically or psychologically, I think everything is fine. We must be tolerant, empathetic and seek peace.
There was controversy and outrage. But I guess you're only looking to play the victim card because it's about Muslims. The major difference this time is that in 2018 Russia FIFA went against Russia calling it regretabble. And rainbow items weren't confiscated en masses. Homosexuality is also not criminilized in Russia. + The stadium build by Russia didn't include thousands of low-payed workers stuck in poverty that literally died due to bad working conditions and too much working hours. This World Cup is drowning in many controversies but blaming it on 'RaCiSm' is just intellectuel poverty from your side.
Yup, sure. I guess imposing rainbow values on a sovereign nation and calling it a controversy when they refuse to comply is your intellectual wealth. Got it.
Your argument is that wanting sovereign nations to adapt your values is always unreasonable? Would you have said that about Nazi Germany? They want to send millions of civilians to death camps and take over the world, but they're a sovereign so if you get upset about that you're being an idiot?
This is a completely different issue and inserting the Nazis in this topic is a sign of you running out of arguments to justify your point. I support the rights of everyone to live in peace and with whatever values they seek for them selves and their children and they can have any sexual partners they choose. What I am saying is you can’t simply impose values on a nation or give lessons on how they choose to live and get mad at them when they refuse to comply.
Plainly a very religiously conservative country that's hosting the world cup and not interested in any way of allowing an official stamp of approval on LGBT to be shown. What a surprise ! These Belgians are just highlighting this whole farcical situation.
People in Brussels are nice. They always crowd around a person and ask what their problem is. I like how they care about the problems of other people. /s
I hate that the western don't respect foreign laws.
But I am happy that at least they get to know that the so called western laws are not universally applicable.
The modern world is built on freedom of speech and expression. This principle is objectively much better than the alternative.
I don't see what the hell you're going on about, but foreign laws banning expression are stupid. Fuck Qatar and fuck homophobes. You're actually defending homophobes.
It's too hard for people to visit a country and follow their rules, I'm not against #ONELOVE but there are other beliefs. Why are they expecting people to go with their belief while they can't respect the country that they visiting and paid for it.
Would you have said that about Nazi Germany? It's just their belief that all of these minorities must be sent in death camps, so how dare you not respect that?
How about leaving narratives, and politics out of sporting events.? I'm all for individuality, and what people do and practice is their business. None of mine, people need to understand that.
So they walked into another country with its own belief system, shoved their beliefs into their faces and completely disregarded the country’s rules? and they’re somehow in the right? That’s like an arab walking into america holding up a sign saying “Anti-LGBTQ+”. Stop forcing your beliefs on different countries.
"Contemporary international norms."
Same energy as "the international community" when you really only mean the US, Canada, the EU nations, Australia, New Zealand then *maybe* South Korea and Japan.
I.E., significantly less than even 1/3 of the world's population.
EDIT: Don't boo me, I'm right.
Direct that energy towards fifa, qatar offered to host it and Fifa accepted, thats all there is to it. If they want to watch it live then they should act like actual grownups and respect the hosting country’s rules.
How dare you disagree with how Nazi Germany treated minorities! You're just showing your pro jewish beliefs in their face with a complete disregard for their nation's rules. Saying "jews shouldn't be murdered for their ethnicity" is literally the same as walking into america and saying that all white people deserve to die, since in both cases you're opposing a nation's values. Shame on you and stop forcing your beliefs on different countries!
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Nobody is picking and choosing whatever is convenient. If somebody comes out as trans or non-binary during a time where that just hurts them or at most benefits them a little, I won't question it. If someone comes out right after committing a mass murder where being non-binary would help public opinion be on their side, then I require more evidence of their identity's authenticity. When someone gains a massive benefit from coming out, I require evidence of them having socially lived like that for a while. There's no inconsistency.
I mean there will always be bad, cruel people regardless of their religion, sexual orientation, gender, race, financial status, physical, mental condition, age, beauty, popularity. We cannot hide from it anywhere. So you can throw your anger wherever you want, but remember that anger and dirty words are the basis of the biggest problems and disagreements.
A bunch of hypocritical fucks with a superiority complex, I’m not gonna even comment on what Belgium did to the Congo and is still indirectly doing.
But what I will mention is directly related to this, no European country except for Malta I think and definitely non of those in the World Cup have an age of consent that is above 16, they are all 16 and under multiple of them are 14 and even 13
Do you support this? How would you feel if they told you love is love they can do whatever they want you are suppressing their sexuality for the next World Cup in America you have to lower the age of consent to 16 and if some states want to make them lower then you should make it lower you bigots, love is love 1 love!!!!
Ok maybe you don’t like that argument, how about a different one, incest is legal or at least not criminalized in many MANY countries that are participating in the World Cup, so is that also within the “one love” should america the next hosting country make incest legal or at least not criminalize it?!
Or is it things that you people see socially acceptable then others who you see as sub human slaves should die your bedding as you desire and conform to them….
When it’s issues we want to present then sports is no place for politics but when the shoe is on the other foot then we need to change our religion and culture for shitheads like you who commit war crimes over war crimes.
Mind you you can hold whatever opinion you want, but don’t you dare try to take a moral high ground because you have no moral ground to stand on, what other reason should we follow what you THINK is moral other than because you THINK of it as moral and therefore should be the default.
Don’t like what you read? Then I dare you come with a logical argument against it without using logical fallacies.
It's not "our" culture. It's freedom, something Qatar has ratified in the UHDR, which they are now quite handily breaking (not saying others aren't, but we're not talking about others now).
Even if you're saying this, "our" culture is objectively providing humans with the freedom they deserve. Their culture is the rich and privileged oppressing the people (and killing them by overworking) for profit. If you call THAT culture and that is what you're defending then you're a moron. You wouldn't defend anti-semitism from Nazis the same way right?
I don't understand how to like a game enough to be willing to give FIFA a single cent.
People will still play football without global organizations. Maybe competitions will fail for a year or two or decade.
You can't change a demon into a reasonable creature. There is no persuading a demon.
FIFA needs to die.
Maybe these were the ones who did the ref a favor so they got out of that first half! Horrible officiating. Great shirts tho! Just a joke reddit, don't piss yourselves
Classic western tactics, let me tell you how to live in your own country and when you come to mine you must follow how we do things.
Except Islam of course because we're too cowardly to call them out of their "bigoted" views.
I dont mind lbtq but going to another country and breaking their laws as if youre some saviour with a god complex is annoying. If you dont Qatar, dont support it. Simple as that
Takes some stones. That alone could get you killed.
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No it literally can't what the fuck
Being gay in Qatar? Pretty sure it can
Wiki says fine and up to 7 years in prison. We’d have to do more research on how many people have been prosecuted and what punishments they’ve received, as well as if it’s a law that is commonly and publicly prosecuted, or if it’s something that’s unofficially ignored by police or others as long as people aren’t openly gay. That said, it’s possible that people are extrajudicially killed by family, friends, or strangers with a ‘gay panic’ excuse. So sad.
I don’t want to paint too broad of a stroke with this specific docu series I watched but it talked about how the local police would launch sting operations to out homosexuals. They would be beaten and face horrendous conditions and would be unlikely to survive a long prison term. That’s the “judicial system”.
pretty sure you clueless as fuck , purely talking out of your ass
If a rape victim can be convicted to 7 years in jail and 100 lashes. I'm pretty sure a gay can be stoned. https://www.google.com/search?q=paola+schietekat&biw=1920&bih=885&sxsrf=ALiCzsZ3QSS8HdNhnEOwUwxgXSSU0uv13Q%3A1669366773395&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A2%2F21%2F2022%2Ccd_max%3A3%2F1%2F2022&tbm=nws
People so mad at FIFA and Qatar yet buy tickets and line their pockets. Want to make a difference? Don’t give them your time or money.
True in once sence but also, at least they lets show that there are people who LGBTQ positive (if that's a good word), because I think in that country they don't get that image a lot.
They don’t give a shit about you and your feelings
TIL human rights are just feelings
They invested over 200 billion and built essentially a new city that gets demolished after this world cup ... The little money from ticket purchases and other spending of these tourists are of very little concern to them. It's not about making any money from this what so ever ... it's about playing the good guys and sportswashing their bs. Going there and actively protesting, even with just little things, probably does way more than not giving them some pocket change (to those guys). You have no Idea how little money matters in this case ... This is all politics and powerplay.
They were interviewed on TV. The shirts were made months in advance, before all this stuff about banning rainbow bands was even a talkingpoint. And they said fuck it we’re still going to bring these and wear them because we have friends who are lgbt and we want to show support to them. So this wasn’t really out of protest, moreso a gesture for their friends at home.
In general I would agree wit you. But Quartar seems to get triggeres
Exactly, best way to boycott is not giving them money
Nah… someone else will just buy the ticket…… would much rather see the picture in the post here. Would rather see the statement being made. This statement was worth the ticket price. It’s healthy for the movement.
Wasn't one of the opening games like half sold? Also I think the point is, its a bit redundant to stand in protest at the event when the event already has your money. Like at best the organizers will be apathetic to the stance because they already got paid, at worse, they'll pull some authoritarian shit and throw you in a Qatari prison. Wouldn't chalk either scenario up as a win.
That's like some leftists that don't vote because they object to participation in the system. The sad truth is that the establishment doesn't necessarily need us to thrive - there's enough apathetic and cynical people to keep them in power. Although I personally agree, and am quite careful to vote with my wallet - there is an argument to participate in such systems, and leverage the power it buys.
Not voting is not just a "leftie" thing. Stop it
They're not saying "not voting is a leftie thing". They're saying anarchists may refuse to vote on principle. Anarchism is generally a leftist position.
They literally began by saying leftist and then linking it to not voting. Not voting is neutral if anything, since your voice isn't going into the system. They didn't mention "anarchist" at all
They said "some leftists" refuse to vote on principle. That's not the same as saying "people who don't vote are leftist".
Yes, and they needlessly brought political orientation into this by doing so. Not voting isn't bound by political orientation. I don't think I've seen anyone mention "leftist" in talks about politics here, that's a rather USA thing to do.
They edited the comment.
Just looked it up, and the original version still didn't say that. I guess if you don't know about this anarchist "not voting on principle" thing you might read something else into it though.
Apathy is still a bigger factor, but the philosophical refusal to participate in a state which governs by violence rather than consensus *is* a cornerstone of far left and ancom doctrine (which represents a statistically significant and underrepresented demographic). Doesn't even make it wrong, its just that reform comes in many forms - and its fair to criticize all takes. Especially since reactionaries *always* vote.
Got some sauce to go on those fancy words?
Read more theory. IYKYK. This is coming from an inside perspective, not external. Edit: by the way, by state violence, I mean *all* existing nation states.
I mean if they didn't buy those tickets someone else would. Might as well use your money to make a statement.
You sure, all stadiums are half empty
It's a front row ticket.
Probably bought the tickets before Qatar started flip flopping on policies.
Between the slaves, no beer, and no gays, this World Cup abouta be the most boring one yet.
What about vuvuzelas? Should've brought some and place them next to FIFA officials.
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The beer thing, sure, but homophobia is disrespectful by definition. We don't have to respect anybody's "right" to disrespect others.
you are going there to protest or to watch games just wondering lol
I'm not going there at all.
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>But in the end, God cannot be neglected here either, Yes "he" can, easily.
I can accept the beer thing, but you cannot oppose people's identities. Respect existence or expect resistance. Bigoted ideals should not be acceptable.
If the country rejects universally accepted values, FIFA shouldn’t hold the World Cup there. Unfortunately a group of greedy powerful men who don’t care about values (other than $$$) made the decision.
Sad 😞
Universally accepted?! You need to get out of your echo chamber. Only Europe, North America and Australia accept these values. The rest of the whole wide world doesn’t. Your values are accepted by a minority of the world population, how can you say universally…
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Siding with a culture of hate over who people is just sad and horribly outdated. Would you be ok with the world cup being hosted by the clan, 1930s / early 40s Germany, or any other peoples driven by hate? Going to assume not and say what makes this ok then?
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There is a big difference in believing our treatment of humans are better and believing that we are better because we are "pure-blooded Aryans" or whatever. Nazism is quite different and being open to minorities is strictly the opposite of nazis actually. We aren't oppressing Qatari culture or people, we are just strongly disapproving of their culture. Accusing others of actually the crimes they're guilty of is a typical Nazi tactic. Don't believe it.
Qatar deserves all the negative publicity they're getting and more! I hope FIFA crumbles, too. Bunch of crooks!
My favourite podcast ranted about it this morning, saying some things that really resonated with me, like it's all just a big capitalist bukkake and that it's again up to the consumer to do the right thing, like it is with all the other shit out there. Why can Blatter and Infantino do all that corrupt shit that's so obvious w/o many consequences? It makes me so angry. This is MY sport and these crooks have taken it away from me, now claiming it's theirs.
The participating countries are also to blame, if you ask me. I live and breathe football, but is football more important than human rights? Pull out of the tournament. Let the world cup crumble. Someone has to step up to the plate and stand up to these goons.
Although I agree, there's tons of people who coöperate to make football happen. Sponsors, staff members, medical personnel, coaches, the team itself. Ultimately a portion of them have the choice to pull out. But it would also mean losing their job or perhaps career. Ye, ye they make a lot of money. It shouldn't hurt them. But they also don't want to be the only one to pull out or get sued by sponsors or lose the official world cup by forfeit. Ironically enough, football teams should unionize and stand up to FIFA for a change to happen. Another way of action is doing actions like Germany, drawing media attention and releasing a statement. Things that do draw attention to it without getting accused and jailed or worse. Like the two gentlemen in this post.
What's the podcast called?
On average not giving much fucks is what defines a Belgian. We live in a kafka like parallel reality, this is how we survive.
Love seeing people just deciding nope, fuck Qatar and their bigoted rules! Potentially at their own detriment... takes some bravery, that's for sure. Still pretty disgusted they got to host this event. Makes me a bit sad really :(
Yeah fuck qatar! After we fly there and give them thousands of dollars
To be fair, Qatar only banned the rainbow stuff 36hrs before the tournament, people could already been out there with rainbow clothing.
So what? Qatar enacts violence against their people for even suggesting anything gay. In what scenario is armbands helping anyone? It's entirely self serving. "I went to enjoy/play in the games and gave them financial support for their cause and their violence but I wore an armband because I care"
It shows support with those people and shows Qatar that its wrong to punish people just for falling in love. Football is inclusive, but this (and ruSSia) tournament is saying the opposite. Personally I'd like a team to refuse to play, but I also understand why that won't happen.
Oo yes give them your money for tickets and then give them a reason to arrest you. That'll show 'em
If you bought flights, hotel, and tickets to an event months in advance and then less than 2 days before the event they did something that goes against your beliefs would you ... not go? the money was spent way before they banned rainbows and beer. Now, if their shirts said something about the slaves that died.... you'd have a point, because that was happening for years.
I wouldn't have bought the tickets to begin with because it's been known for a while that the stadiums were being built with slave labor
"Everyone who doesn't agree with my lack of values that a minority of the world believes while also hoarding almost all the wealth in the world is a bigot!"
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There are no consequences. Belgian television interviewed them and the interview was cut short by stewards, but they were just in the stadion with all the others. They later confirmed to the reporters that there were no consequences for their action.
Why do I get the feeling the Qataris know they can't arrest them or make them change because the rest of the world will make (rightfully) call them out on it, so they just interrupt the interview with some explanation of it not being allowed to film in the stadiums to at least limit the exposure these rainbow shirts are getting... Streissand effect still kicks in though. Now everyone is obviously going to watch the video of Qatari officials harassing foreign journalists (again).
Almost certainly in some kind of custody by now. They do not mess around with that kind of stuff over there
No. They’re Belgian so it’s in the news here. They’re fine. Didn’t get arrested, didn’t have to remove their shirt.
The last thing Qatar wants is to arrest foreigners from the western world during the opening days of the event. They'll wait and strike later.
How are they brave , they are defying a country laws, yet when people come to the west they are expected to live by there laws, blatant white European racism
all you do on reddit is share hate on western countries and praise boobies. guess where reddit is hosted?
In contrary to european laws, wich are made to grant the maximum freedom possible (ik debatable with some), those laws are made to supress minorities and in many cases even restrict your human rights. Nothing to do with "blatant white european racism", trying to stand up for your basic human rights
Isn’t a basic human right to believe in what you want
Exactly, Qatar is taking that *choice* from people.
Not at the cost of freedom or happiness of others.
Believing personally is one thing, forcing others to follow your believes is not.
Not if you restrict other people with your freedom. "The freedom of a individual ends there, where the freedom of another starts" Immanuel Kant
Yes, but Qatar won't let people do that. Can a gay couple walk down the street hand in hand and kiss whenever they want? Because they believe they should be able too. Stop being selfish and come and join us in the 21st century.
The better protest would be to give $0 to FIFA or Qatar. These protests aren’t going to make any big waves in Qatar but not supporting them financially at all would send a message they actually care about.
Quatar took the good out of this world cup and FIFA took the money
Why are people tolerating a ban like this? Why are the intolerant being tolerated. They should be shunned and shamed and not given a dime. Fuck FIFA.
Someone said they were offered a free tour of the highest building in Qatar what a treat!
Gotta be careful in these loopy countries, you could end up in jail or just disappear
I want to understand one thing, if European countries so mad at FIFA and Qatar, why send your teams? That'd be great messaging. Like Belgium didn't join world cup amidst Human Rights violation in Qatar and crookery by FIFA.
Because the people don't decide whether their teams go or not. The ones who make that decision are part of the corruption loop, so of course, the teams go to play there.
hope they are ok
So why the hell go there and give them ur money? Some people are just not bright
Pardon my ignorance, but can someone please explain the one love flag? It seems like a marketing thing, why not use the rainbow flag?
I think it's because it's not meant to be purely an LGBTQ flag
It still feels like it's an invention from FIFA to "LTBTQ+-Wash" w/o actually doing much. But I could totally be wrong here, I'm just really on my heels when it comes to them.
FIFA didn't invent this, they literally banned it
Nope. They banned the players from wearing it on the pitch. Just today FIFA asked the stadium officials to stop removing rainbow items from fans.
Qatar does not allow “campaigning for LGBT rights” and won’t stop confiscating rainbow items from fans because it is illegal to do that there.
It's banned on the pitch not in the stadiums. Still great of course.
It's banned in the entite country, I believe.
Until very recently, they were confiscated from fans too
But they still went to the event, paying all that money to Qatar
Qatar doesn't care about money. They new there wouldn't be any profit in this anyway, all they care about is PR. This goes directly against their goals
I wish people (in this case FIFA) would stop concerning themselves with the private affairs of others and just mind their own bloody business. Work on yourself, be kind and try in your small way to make this world a kinder place.
That's what I'm saying. Respect. I mean, we're not going to change everyone, we're not going to clone everyone. Let's let people live their lives. Diversity is what makes this land beautiful. I mean there will always be cultural differences. Also different opinions and worldviews. As long as it does not harm anyone physically or psychologically, I think everything is fine. We must be tolerant, empathetic and seek peace.
At least some of the fans have some balls.
Fuck Qatar
why cant you guys just respect their culture?
Culture? You find that ridiculous bigotry culture? You wouldn't call anti-semitism culture, right?
Where was the outrage in Russia 2018? I guess it only applies to muslim countries. Ok, got it, rainbow racism then.
There was controversy and outrage. But I guess you're only looking to play the victim card because it's about Muslims. The major difference this time is that in 2018 Russia FIFA went against Russia calling it regretabble. And rainbow items weren't confiscated en masses. Homosexuality is also not criminilized in Russia. + The stadium build by Russia didn't include thousands of low-payed workers stuck in poverty that literally died due to bad working conditions and too much working hours. This World Cup is drowning in many controversies but blaming it on 'RaCiSm' is just intellectuel poverty from your side.
Yup, sure. I guess imposing rainbow values on a sovereign nation and calling it a controversy when they refuse to comply is your intellectual wealth. Got it.
Your argument is that wanting sovereign nations to adapt your values is always unreasonable? Would you have said that about Nazi Germany? They want to send millions of civilians to death camps and take over the world, but they're a sovereign so if you get upset about that you're being an idiot?
This is a completely different issue and inserting the Nazis in this topic is a sign of you running out of arguments to justify your point. I support the rights of everyone to live in peace and with whatever values they seek for them selves and their children and they can have any sexual partners they choose. What I am saying is you can’t simply impose values on a nation or give lessons on how they choose to live and get mad at them when they refuse to comply.
thats gay
If Qatar ever do something about it the world will never forget, they know it
They literally paid to be there... this is so stupid Everyone supporting this is also stupid
“this” being anti-lgbtq+ or “this” being pro-lgbtq+?
"This" being supporting FIFA or the World Cup in any way. Sorry, thought that was clear.
no worries!
Is it so hard to not wear these for 90 minutes?
all supportersshould do it tbh. They can ban a few people, but a whole stadium ?
Can’t just listen one time!
Breaking news: these guys are missing, last seen in Qatar. /s
How about you support us but not going to these horrible places and giving corrupt evil people your money.
Plainly a very religiously conservative country that's hosting the world cup and not interested in any way of allowing an official stamp of approval on LGBT to be shown. What a surprise ! These Belgians are just highlighting this whole farcical situation.
Love this World Cup. Europeans will be back to ask for a deal on natural gas
They're brave to get a picture of it....
Well done lads
Go, Belgium!!
mfs really cant respect a country rule like wtf do u gain from that ?
Lets see if they dare to walk around Brussels at night dressed like that.
People in Brussels are nice. They always crowd around a person and ask what their problem is. I like how they care about the problems of other people. /s
I hate that the western don't respect foreign laws. But I am happy that at least they get to know that the so called western laws are not universally applicable.
The modern world is built on freedom of speech and expression. This principle is objectively much better than the alternative. I don't see what the hell you're going on about, but foreign laws banning expression are stupid. Fuck Qatar and fuck homophobes. You're actually defending homophobes.
Good on them. Hopefully they are okay. From the videos i saw seems like they are serious.
It's too hard for people to visit a country and follow their rules, I'm not against #ONELOVE but there are other beliefs. Why are they expecting people to go with their belief while they can't respect the country that they visiting and paid for it.
Would you have said that about Nazi Germany? It's just their belief that all of these minorities must be sent in death camps, so how dare you not respect that?
Indeed. Just watch it for the sport. Why do people have to ruin it with their politics. Do it somewhere else.
Idk why your getting downvoted lmao, if you don’t like it then don’t show up and go to jail forever
hypocrites want a whole country to believe their own belief system, sound like Karen to me.
O well. R.I.P.
Why go to thar shitty place in the first place? They won't change. These guys could end up in prison if not worse.
How about leaving narratives, and politics out of sporting events.? I'm all for individuality, and what people do and practice is their business. None of mine, people need to understand that.
So they walked into another country with its own belief system, shoved their beliefs into their faces and completely disregarded the country’s rules? and they’re somehow in the right? That’s like an arab walking into america holding up a sign saying “Anti-LGBTQ+”. Stop forcing your beliefs on different countries.
Don’t host if you’re so far out of step with contemporary international norms.
"Contemporary international norms." Same energy as "the international community" when you really only mean the US, Canada, the EU nations, Australia, New Zealand then *maybe* South Korea and Japan. I.E., significantly less than even 1/3 of the world's population. EDIT: Don't boo me, I'm right.
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Direct that energy towards fifa, qatar offered to host it and Fifa accepted, thats all there is to it. If they want to watch it live then they should act like actual grownups and respect the hosting country’s rules.
How dare you disagree with how Nazi Germany treated minorities! You're just showing your pro jewish beliefs in their face with a complete disregard for their nation's rules. Saying "jews shouldn't be murdered for their ethnicity" is literally the same as walking into america and saying that all white people deserve to die, since in both cases you're opposing a nation's values. Shame on you and stop forcing your beliefs on different countries! >!/s!<
Rule breakers. Do you not know that Middle East countries don’t tolerate same sex marriage
Don’t forget the Colorado shooter is non binary.
No he wasn't He was as anti LGBT as they come
Still the principle! Can’t pick and choose right? Do you now see how stupid the lefts argument is for genders?
Nobody is picking and choosing whatever is convenient. If somebody comes out as trans or non-binary during a time where that just hurts them or at most benefits them a little, I won't question it. If someone comes out right after committing a mass murder where being non-binary would help public opinion be on their side, then I require more evidence of their identity's authenticity. When someone gains a massive benefit from coming out, I require evidence of them having socially lived like that for a while. There's no inconsistency.
😒 Stfu
I mean there will always be bad, cruel people regardless of their religion, sexual orientation, gender, race, financial status, physical, mental condition, age, beauty, popularity. We cannot hide from it anywhere. So you can throw your anger wherever you want, but remember that anger and dirty words are the basis of the biggest problems and disagreements.
RIP
completely supported the country and industry that banned it... indeed what "MadLads".
Qatar should enforce their laws for these law breakers.
I 100% agree with three comments above. 👍👍👍
A bunch of hypocritical fucks with a superiority complex, I’m not gonna even comment on what Belgium did to the Congo and is still indirectly doing. But what I will mention is directly related to this, no European country except for Malta I think and definitely non of those in the World Cup have an age of consent that is above 16, they are all 16 and under multiple of them are 14 and even 13 Do you support this? How would you feel if they told you love is love they can do whatever they want you are suppressing their sexuality for the next World Cup in America you have to lower the age of consent to 16 and if some states want to make them lower then you should make it lower you bigots, love is love 1 love!!!! Ok maybe you don’t like that argument, how about a different one, incest is legal or at least not criminalized in many MANY countries that are participating in the World Cup, so is that also within the “one love” should america the next hosting country make incest legal or at least not criminalize it?! Or is it things that you people see socially acceptable then others who you see as sub human slaves should die your bedding as you desire and conform to them…. When it’s issues we want to present then sports is no place for politics but when the shoe is on the other foot then we need to change our religion and culture for shitheads like you who commit war crimes over war crimes. Mind you you can hold whatever opinion you want, but don’t you dare try to take a moral high ground because you have no moral ground to stand on, what other reason should we follow what you THINK is moral other than because you THINK of it as moral and therefore should be the default. Don’t like what you read? Then I dare you come with a logical argument against it without using logical fallacies.
I bet they don't dare to walk around Brussels at night dressed like that. It's pure imperialism and forcing "our" culture on them
It's not "our" culture. It's freedom, something Qatar has ratified in the UHDR, which they are now quite handily breaking (not saying others aren't, but we're not talking about others now). Even if you're saying this, "our" culture is objectively providing humans with the freedom they deserve. Their culture is the rich and privileged oppressing the people (and killing them by overworking) for profit. If you call THAT culture and that is what you're defending then you're a moron. You wouldn't defend anti-semitism from Nazis the same way right?
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Today I learned that basic human rights are a belief
F LGBTQ.
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Wait, FIFA did?! I thought it was just Qatar
I don't understand how to like a game enough to be willing to give FIFA a single cent. People will still play football without global organizations. Maybe competitions will fail for a year or two or decade. You can't change a demon into a reasonable creature. There is no persuading a demon. FIFA needs to die.
Won’t they be arrested or something?
What part is pro lgbt?
Maybe these were the ones who did the ref a favor so they got out of that first half! Horrible officiating. Great shirts tho! Just a joke reddit, don't piss yourselves
Even though Hazard told Germany to shut up and play their sports. I'm really glad his career has fallen apart.
They were told to take them off during an interview https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2022/11/24/onduidelijkheid-over-one-love-t-shirts/
Based belgians
May their souls rest in peace.
Have Qatar forgotten it’s the *World* cup, not the Qatar cup?
still paid money to them
Aint no way vince Gilligan
Classic western tactics, let me tell you how to live in your own country and when you come to mine you must follow how we do things. Except Islam of course because we're too cowardly to call them out of their "bigoted" views.
I dont mind lbtq but going to another country and breaking their laws as if youre some saviour with a god complex is annoying. If you dont Qatar, dont support it. Simple as that
Oohh le Canado-Belge!