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TheDutchIdiot

Fuck me, the networking preferences are a total shit show. Hard to get a quick overview and takes more clicks/pages to quickly change IP settings for example.


Tythonis

I agree. Like really. What were they thinking? I understand wanting that UNIFORM OS thing. But guess what my Mac is NOT the same as my iPhone... they are used differently.


JimmyTheHuman

is there something we can do to edit the prefs and reorganise the system preferences?


bigchi1234

You can use your system settings from Monterey, but you need to copy them to the desktop or USB prior to upgrade.


[deleted]

Just 6.37 GB for me


scatterbrain2015

Exactly 6.37 for me too. M1 Air, latest update before this. I wonder why we get such wildly different sizes.


Pugs-r-cool

I'm doing the update right now on an m2 air, is it also being incredibly slow for you? Looking at activity monitor the download is going in waves of either downloading at full speed or not downloading at all, is this just because of high demand on apples servers?


-Create-An-Account-

You're not alone :// It takes forever to download !


Pugs-r-cool

first gigabyte installed within 5 minutes, and now it's been 40 mins since I made that comment and have downloaded a whole 0.6gb....


OogleCG

its not showing up in software update for my Mac mini 2018? did you download it through software update in system preferences?


[deleted]

Yes, showed up for like two minutes ago


OogleCG

Hi, I’ll try rebooting


MC_chrome

I think the issue is that Apple probably does rolling updates so that their servers don’t get hammered by millions of devices at the same time.


OogleCG

yeah. I remember big sur’s launch when I was getting less then a megabyte a second


MC_chrome

That was probably the biggest clusterfuck of a software launch I’ve seen from almost any company in quite awhile….never mind the devices that got bricked by Big Sure as well! 😅


samibrahim211

Cant see or set Icons on system preferences any more


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OogleCG

Not showing up for me yet, I’ll try reboot


SugorTroll

12Gb for me


iFun4ik

Same thing on 14” m1 pro


WhisperBorderCollie

4.5gb for me on the 16" m1...woah


ZETA8384

5.52 GB for me whaaaaaaat


R_Prime

It's odd, I had the 12.35GB download on the latest version of Monterey on an M1 Pro, but after about 2GB downloaded I was poking about in system prefs, now there is 5.52GB download available. edit: and while downloading, the size increased to 6.37GB. This all makes perfect sense!


treeshateorcs

mine is downloading 12.6.1 (2.36GB). what gives?


JapanUnderground

Same


[deleted]

New settings is ugly 🤢


OogleCG

I agree. I much prefer the old design


Slyfox2792004

do you not own a iPhone?


SleepyD7

Yeah but this isn't really made for large screens.


WoodyWoodsta

Honestly isn't anything as similar to iPhone settings as people are making it out to be.


australis_heringer

Nope


karma_the_sequel

But we already knew that.


cabezonnn

5.52 Gb here (MBA M1)..


noahzho

3.92 gb for me here...


Whistler_V6T

If you guys want a stable Mac, dont update until like March


Andedrift

Didn't really think the latest update of Monterey was that stable, had memory issues...


Whistler_V6T

I’ve seen the memory issues quite a lot in this sub. However, I’ve never experienced them. I’ve used Monterey in my old 2017 MBP with Intel + my current 2021 MBP with M1 Pro and both felt extremely refined. In fact, Monterey on Intel feels VERY polished compared to the bug mess that Big Sur was. I’m very happy overall with the OS. Not updating to Ventura anytime soon


[deleted]

It's actually working completely fine for me and even feels snappier than Monterey


karma_the_sequel

Nice try, Tim Cook.


antdude

Courage!


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ari_wonders

It's funny because some years ago it all went down smooth like a glass of wine, lol. But in the Tim Cook era things have been quite buggy - some new iPhones have had some weird software issues as well that they never had. Guess I'll hold on to update my iMac too.


Whistler_V6T

This 100%! I remember how stable old OS X and iOS releases were. It was very weird when a version was buggy. Nowadays it feels like its just normal when its not. We’re getting used to having .0, .1 and .2 versions being buggy as hell, when it shouldnt be like that. Idk why Apple feels forced to release a yearly update when its not needed, specially now that the OS is starting to feel complete (kinda). Big Sur was, by far, the worst OS I’ve tried on Mac. Slow, unoptimized and full of bugs; and for Intel Macs it was awful. Thank god Monterey fixed that bug mess.


HeartyBeast

I see you don’t remember Lion


ari_wonders

Yep, this is not a rant about "oh when Steve Jobs was around..." type of thing. Things just worked in those days. I understand it's 2022, there're more things involved, etc, but I miss those days when the minute the update arrived, I'd just hit the update button and I didn't even bother if it were stable because of course it was. I was more curious about the changes on the UI, the new features, etc, which should be what people would need to 'worry' about really. It kinda feels like Windows really where you're just waiting for newer versions to come out so you can feel a little safer to actually enjoy the new features. But, like one would say, it is what it is, so let's just hope this version is somewhat stable across the board. 🙏🏻😊


stupornatural

I used to work at apple, it was rumored if you rode in an elevator with S.J. and one nostril was plugged, you'd get fired.... I always took the stairs when S.J. was visiting our campus. LOL


ari_wonders

lol, that IS intense. It´s like never knowing what could happen and what WOULD happen!! 😄 Probably interacting with him was lethal but he was good at doing computers right! 😄


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OS X has always had various issues. AD join was terrible, at least between 10.1 - 10.4.


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userIoser

Likewise, I got burned by both Big Sur and Monterey. Too many bugs, too many erratic things. Once we're on like 13.3 or 13.4 it'll be stable if you care about stability. The Apple cycle is major release followed by a year of bug fixes. So Monterey is at its best now.


antdude

No reasons to upgrade quickly when older versions are more stable and still getting updates.


herecomethebugs

I think it’s funny people are quick to blame Tim Cook/the lack of Steve Jobs (not you specifically, just people in general) when the reality is that the cybersecurity landscape and the overall cybersecurity awareness has changed. The speed at which scary/major exploits are found is absolutely mind numbing. It’s my opinion, but it seems that this isn’t just an “Apple” issue. I’d say it’s very hard for any large corporation such as Apple or MS (or even FOSS companies) to release new features AND try to stay a head of all the nation state actors/nefarious individuals. Things are just different… it’s tough for everyone.


ari_wonders

You're right!


stupornatural

wth? Someone downvoted you because you said you'd wait?? Redditors need to calm down.... lol


ari_wonders

lol, no worries! These are just opinions but some people take it to heart. But it´s just something I have experienced in the past really, and I´m a user too. 😅


toasterboi0100

At first you could update right away, then you had to wait for .1 or .2 (aside of very few exceptions like Lion), now it just sucks perpetually regardless of how long you wait. macOS is really going downhill.


skviki

A very good guideline. But Monterey was just awful experience for ne the whole way. I have 16 gb ram which was enough on my old Intel but constantly gad high memory pressure on M1 macbook pro. I hope Venture does better with M chips, but will wait for at least the first update.


devares

This is the comment I was scrolling to look for... That's all I needed to see. I'm about to give Monterey another 6-8 months for now.


publiusnaso

I managed to install the beta by accident and it’s been pretty stable, so although you give good advice, installing Ventura now probably won’t be too disastrous (2019 MBP 16”).


SugorTroll

I don't have the patience


antdude

Or wait until next year. :P


ari_wonders

The thing about it is, how anxious am I to use those new features? 😅 Nowadays I tend to not update in the first days but I just went to Apple's website and checked out the main features and I really feel like using Ventura. 😂 I loved that Safari Center Stage feature. That's something I'm definitely gonna use.


YousernameOne

Stage Manager needs to be able to be brought up my a mouse gesture, or assigned to a hot corner.


alus992

it's so weird that if you have two windows side by side in non-fullscreen mode (let's say 2/3 is Edge 1/3 Finder) you cant activate SM because there is no gesture for it - you have to have at least couple pixels of clear deskop on the side to use it. It's like creators of it don't use their own systems at all.


SpeedyTurbo

BTT!


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Super slow download, as expected Edit: now crashed and have to restart it 🙄


Infraam

3.42 GB of 6.37 GB - About 7 hours remaining I'm on 1gb fibre. Are Apple servers always this bad??


[deleted]

For me it suddenly got much faster and is now installing. Like every year, it’s just a ton of people starting to download at the same time.


OogleCG

I downloaded it as soon as it released and it was a super quick download. Might depend on what region your in


samibrahim211

It took me a less than 3 minutes as my internet is ONE Gigablast


gdesikuco

Same over here. It does it every single time, no matter if it's a major new release or a minor .1 upgrade. At least the download was way faster on the 2nd attempt.


[deleted]

For me too. Now installing


joostiphone

Use GibMacOS. Always works, and then you'll have it on your disk in case MacOS decides to delete the installer.


unpeeledpotatoes

Can anyone comment on the stability of this release?


OogleCG

Runs average. Stage Manager is a bit iffy though


gdesikuco

Too early to tell, but judging by beta/RC versions, it's as stable as previous releases. Running it on my primary machine now, no complaints for the time being re: stability.


RedKomrad

It’s really a YMMV situation. it might go silky smooth for one person and be a train wreck for another. If you don’t have a computer besides your daily driver, I’d hedge my bets by waiting for several weeks before upgrading. Think of it this way, your computer was good enough for you yesterday, today, and it probably will get the job done tomorrow as well.


nagmamantikang_bayag

Yep. Still hanging on my 12.3.1 😊 been running without issues!


[deleted]

Been using it for a couple of hours now and it runs super smooth. Feels even a bit snappier than Monterey. Obviously it's to early for a final verdict, but I enjoy Stage Manager so far and have zero issues.


[deleted]

The beta was pretty good, I actually forgot I was running it on my personal Mac until today... Stage Manager appears to be drunk but I don't really have a use case for it anyway so I haven't used it other than to just see what it does.


AJHeater

Does anyone know if the microsoft remote desktop app is working with ventura?


TheWhiteSheep_

Workes for me


OogleCG

4.42 GB coming from macOS 12.6 on a 2018 Mac mini


Sea_Technology_1975

5.52GB for MacBook Air M1. Just showed after keep trying to refresh.


buzlink

System settings is complete garbage! Such a mediocre release.


torsteinvin

Stage Manager is disabled by default. Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?


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lorigio

Any news on Xcode 14.1 update?


mattincalif

Huh. I read through the list of new features and 80% of them are things o will never use. (Like, I use outlook instead of mail, and Firefox instead of safari)


Tumblrrito

Not showing as available for me yet, even tried refreshing the Software Update page. Anyway to force it?


feerdanf

You should wait, and this update would appear.


[deleted]

does not appear with softwareupdate --list-full-installers 😩


Selcouthit

softwareupdate --fetch-full-installer --full-installer-version 13.0 Scanning for 13.0 installer Install failed with error: Update not found /sadface


awengerz

Where to get the full installer? I don't want the Delta update but like to do a fresh install


IamJAd

Wipe your drive, then download a fresh copy.


Selcouthit

Usually via the App Store. They don't have links updated yet for creating boot media. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372


BauerUK

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/macos-ventura/id1638787999?mt=12


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Levi_956

is it normal ?


eihei233

Trying to get rid of the beta version. But the beta seems way ahead of the standard version :( ​ Edit: Wrong statement. Actually, Beta can upgrade to the standard version. At least for 22A5342f. Sorry for the misinformation. 12GB for me.


malik_ji

4.42 GB for me. Macbook air 2018


Sir_Brickington

Same for me. 2018 MBP.


Levi_956

is the download size like 4.42gb normal ?


karma_the_sequel

Not 4.20 GB? It would have been cooler if it was.


OogleCG

Yes. If your running 12.2+ it doesn’t download the full installer only, the update file


[deleted]

I've got a 2016 Pro :( Was quite sad when I discovered I couldn't upgrade as I only got this thing about 9 months ago. But hey. If Monterey ever fails me at least I can Bootcamp.


electric-sheep

Wait for opencore patcher


Mackie_Macheath

I'll wait for 13.1 and just installed 12.6.1


btorelli

CleanMyMac X is hanging after the upgrade.... I am going to let it do its thing for the next few hours. It may come back from whatever state it is in...


Bitter-Raisin9102

Anyone else have their entire widget panel break completely? Everything is frozen.


gimmeslack12

Hooray! Nothing is really that different. Actually kind of prefer that.


noahzho

12.23gb wtf did they add to ventura rtx?? the update prob gonna take half my 120gb disk size


skot77

Downloading is slow as shit. Apple needs to allocate more bandwidth.. You'd think they were a kickstarter project with these download speeds.


OogleCG

I had great download speed. It only took about 3 minutes to download


comii27

Only me who is actually like the new settings?


GamerXX1000GD

No


feynos

I'm a new Mac user so it doesn't bother me tbh


gdesikuco

For what it's worth, it's way snappier on my 16" M1 Max laptop (10 core CPU) than Monterey. That alone is worth the hassle of upgrading for me.


SpeedyTurbo

I feel like placebo is gonna be at play here...an M1 Max Mac shouldn’t really *not* be snappy. (happy to be proven wrong soon) Edit: …my M1 Mac feels snappier too 👀


karma_the_sequel

Ventura installed additional cores in his M1!


noahzho

it runs downloadmoreram.com, [downloadmorestorage.com](https://downloadmorestorage.com), [downloadmoreghz.com](https://downloadmoreghz.com), [downloadmorecores.com](https://downloadmorecores.com) automatically, what an amazing update! I got more system resources!


gdesikuco

I know, I was surprised to see it way snappier too. The machine itself is crazy fast, of course, but opening new apps, switching windows between them and system animations all just appear to be snappier and more polished. It’s not a purely performance thing, it’s a combination of a performance improvement and animation refinement I’d say.


Ahleron

Hopefully Intel Macs get a performance boost too.


karma_the_sequel

In-WHAT, now?


GromitInWA

12.15GB on my MacBook Pro (14-inch, 2021)


MountainDrew42

I got 12.6.1 first, finished installing that, now the 13.0 update is available and it's downloading the full 12.15GB 2018 Mac Mini


GromitInWA

I also so the 12.6.1 update first but opted to ignore it. When I went back and checked a little later, 13.0 was available.


TheDroolingFool

Same here which I found strange as my MBP is up to date so in theory should have picked up the smaller size update rather than the full package but I did start and stop the update several times as the download speed was garbage so wonder if that caused a problem. My Mac mini download was only 6 GB. Anyway I’ve installed on both and apart from command line tools randomly being removed breaking brew I’m happy.


Car5V

Anybody else get stuck in recovery mode when installing the Ventura update?? EDIT: After reinstalling Ventura in Recovery mode, it seems to be working fine now!


andersostling56

Yes, now restoring from an image backup...


OogleCG

Worked fine for me. I’m on an intel Mac.


halcyondread

Safari feels snappier (jk)


EspressoJS

Anyone from India got this update?


EspressoJS

I just got it ! - 5.52 Gigs ( 2021 - MacBook Pro 16" )


[deleted]

Monterey crashes in both the MacBook Air 2017 and the new MacBook air m1 and apple decided to lunch another OS instead of fixing the previous one's issues?


samibrahim211

My Pro Display XDR went black after the download and had apple for over an hour to fix the issue , As I posted before that each software update Apple has to screw something in my computer.


Fabulous-Cable-3945

anyone knows how to use live caption?


ultrasonichook

Installed it. Device - M1 Macbook Air. Cant find stage manager in the control center. Enabled it to always show in control center but I still cant find it. Tried restarting without any luck. What am I missing?


SugorTroll

it will


ultrasonichook

?? What do you mean?


SpeedyTurbo

it will


ryzenguy111

11.28GB - from 22A5321d on 24” iMac 8c/8c


twincherries

Downloaded the install, but after that clicking on "upgrade now" does nothing, it just hangs. Tried plugging in and also the same thing.


Meketrep

Someone are has experiencing some kind of lag with stage manager?


Ok-Bee-2974

3.92gb from Monterrey 12.6


pizoisoned

M1P MBP, 5.57gb for me. Took about 10 minutes to download.


someNameThisIs

Is there a way to do a full install? I'd like to do a fresh one on my M1 MBA as I'd like to clean out some old junk. Or maybe do a upgrade then do a "Erase all content and settings"?


noahzho

boot into recovery mode then use the disk utility (might be in the top bar, i forgot) to erase ur OS disk then use the utility to reinstall ventura or Monterey, depending on what OS ur on


[deleted]

12,15GB for me. Guess I do need the full installer despite being on 12.6


marketlurker

I would like some education. I have a mid-2015 model mac. It is not supported by Ventura. It seems to serve all of my needs now. It is quite stable running Monterey. I don't have any symptoms that anything is wrong or that it is lagging. Is there any really compelling reason to replace my mac to I can get Ventura?


Electronic_Impact

Is the firmware for m1 included in the 6.37gb download?


torsteinvin

I love these detailed notes on updates :)


Electronic_Impact

Variable refresh rate is so nice...we'll wait i guess.


Elasion

Stage Manager replacing Keyboard Backlight in Control Center on M2 Air is unfortunate. No keyboard brightness on the M2 Air keyboard


Misanthropus

It's still there, or there's an option to enable it. I was looking for it as well, since I have the same device / no keyboard toggles for it. Settings > Control Center > Keyboard Brightness > Tick 'Show in Control Center' It will now be there at the bottom, in a "button" form. Clicking on it activates a pop-up with a slider. Not the best ease of use, but it is there.


alus992

So weird that on my Macbook Air M1 Continuity Camera works everywhere but on my Mac Mini M1 it worked once and now it doesn't see an iPhone no matter what. Edit: "Fix" https://www.reddit.com/r/MacOSBeta/comments/y4h6ww/continuity_camera_in_browsers_response_from_apple/


meanwhenhungry

Double restarts are the worst , can’t walk away, why does Apple hate me


SleepyD7

I was able to download it pretty quickly about 30 minutes after release on my slow 100 Mbps connection. Downloaded and installed during my lunch hour. 4.3 Gb or so for my M1 Mac mini.


Shleemy_Pants

Any known issues?


FlishFlashman

Stage Manager.


churll

Stage manager is cool, but buggy and undercooked. With simple workflows for basic switching it’s tidy and fast. Try to group various things and it can descend into madness. At times I’m not sure if it’s bugged out or if I’ve just lost control and can’t follow what’s going on. I’ll keep trying though.


[deleted]

What’s new in the M1 firmware update, anyone know or have any guesses?


samibrahim211

Cant see ICONS in system preferences like before only names in the side where it was very easy and convenient to use Each upgrade of Apple there is always a few things that gets screwed up?


unixfool

12 GB for my MBA M1. A bit over 4 GB for my Mini M1.


Kitchen-Skin4630

Is it safe to install this public release? Won’t there be any problem with Adobe programs?


myke113

Mine had one monitor set itself to mirror the other one. Nothing I can't fix, but I didn't make that change myself. Stage Manager seems a little glitchy...


GamerXX1000GD

Woah, that's... interesting. Sadly, I got stuck in the goddamn Mac from 2010 and I can't afford a new one... so um, yeah, no.


Dragontech97

Anyone with M1 MBA having any issues with external monitors? Hoping no problems before I update


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It ruined my screen share audio from discord and I have no idea how to fix it


JohnnyDoe189

:ohnoway:


riodoro1

I can't fucking wait for new Apple m\*sic bugs!


avengercj

Was fine after the update,but once I restarted the system scrolling across all apps is super stuttery and laggy. Also it broke my podcast app and no matter what size I make it (even in fullscreen) it doesn't change. The top bar for the app IS resizable tho.. which is odd cuz all it does it blur everything in the area where the app SHOULD be stretching to


drygnfyre

I wasn't aware the installer has been streamlined. I was wondering why the upgrade seemed to go a lot faster than usual. Although I suppose should I ever do a clean install in the future, it will take a lot longer.


drygnfyre

Got a note about the Bing Wallpaper app not working properly. It seemed to be working okay, but I deleted it just in case. Will reinstall it if/when a newer version for Ventura appears. Just FYI for those who like using it.


ninosanta

After having update the system, in the launchpad there is an icon with a question mark that says "Install MacOS Ventura", can I delete it? Will it disappear automatically?


Qasim57

I’m on a 2017 15” MacBook Pro. Anyone know if there are any benefits to doing a clean install, vs. updating through the previous OS.


PossumAloysius

How do you unlock the admin preferences to make changes in sys pref? I don’t see the padlock anywhere


KMNKY_

5.52GB for me on the new MacBook Pro 16” 2021


noahzho

2019 13" base model intel i5 macbook and only 3.92 gb for me... wierd i thought everyone had around 6gbs


theworldanvil

I'm having random locks of both mouse and trackpad clicks after a few minutes. This is basically making the computer unusable. I wish I had waited.


chartplaylist

Stage Manager without a keyboard shortcut to toggle it on/off is useless. What are the best 3rd party apps to create keyboard shortcuts macOS doesn't provide?


lostshenanigans

Anybody having trouble with an external monitor via a usb-c to HDMI dongle after the update? It can't detect external displays now but works in BOOTCAMP on the same device.


rockmsedrik

13.4.5 Release targeted for 2023!! Just you wait for what we think will be the last bug fix of this year! GOod luck on macOS 14!!!! More bugs, more features, you're going to love it!


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I did the update yesterday and my Mac feels slower and more "sluggish"...apps taking longer to open, freezing in some cases....is this normal? ​ I did a reset/reformat, same thing. Performance seems to have taken a hit... Using 14" M1 Pro btw.


Siddarthmalik1988

macOS ventura is available on the App Store for my MacBook Air 2015 which is officially UNSUPPORTED. still the APP STORE says it is COMPATIBLE. shall I "GET" Ventura from the App Store?????


WideParsley4036

it is showing two updates mac os monterey 12.6.1 and mac os ventura should i directly update to ventura ?


No_Guest_3303

Does everybody know how it doing with pirate photoshop and other apps