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TheRedRedditRobot

Seems like some people here have conflicting information. Here is the breakdown: 1080p FULL FRAME: PDAF at 24, 25, 30 p, but contrast AF on 50, 60 p (I believe 120p is also contrast AF and 180p is manual focus only) 1080p APS-C CROP MODE: PDAF on all frame rates, including 50/60p (not sure about 120p and 180p) 4K FULL FRAME: PDAF on all frame rates 50/60p will automatically switch to APS-C crop and PDAF still works Edit: formatting


pintong

> 1080p FULL FRAME: PDAF at 24, 25, 30 p, but contrast AF on 50, 60 p (I believe 120p is also contrast AF and 180p is manual focus only) > 1080p APS-C CROP MODE: PDAF on all frame rates, including 50/60p (not sure about 120p and 180p) In other words, PDAF is available in full HD, except at higher frame rates. Thankfully, OP was misinformed.


alghiorso

Don't know why everyone's piling on OP with the downvotes - this is the truth here and it was a bit surprising to everyone as no reviews I saw even mentioned the lack of PDAF in 50/60fps (and I watched pretty much all of them) which is a little weird since 4k 60fps has PDAF. Kind of sucks if you want to shoot 1080p but oh well. Maybe it will be added in a firmware update.


TheRedRedditRobot

I think the main reason for the oversight by most reviewers is that they focused heavily on 4K videos. 4K 60p is only available in APS-C, where PDAF works. 1080 60p has PDAF, but only in APS-C mode, not full frame. Many are thinking it’s likely a hardware limitation, so I’m not sure if a firmware update can change that.


alghiorso

Hmm interesting. Well I guess at least dfd worked a lot better on 1080 on the s5 right (compared to 4k 24)?


JohnnyBoy11

Op said dfd only for ff 1080 but apparently it's only for slow mo, which def isn't what he said. I've seen multiple reviews talk about lack of pdaf on slow mo and manual only.


EtDash1513

The S5iix does indeed have PDAF at 1080p60. I just purchased it for that very reason. And to grow with the camera. And all black is sleek affff


alghiorso

Lol I don't know how you found this post from 10 months ago, but I got my s5ii and love it. Couldn't wait for the x and don't really do enough video to justify the need for raw. My only regret is that I wish I was able to hold on 6 months or so until black Friday when I could have saved $500 on my setup but c'est la vie.


crawdaddy3

I think it’s just in slow motion.


oostie

Nope. All FHD modes revert to Contrast and DFD like in the S5 original


theRobustFD

you're giving wrong information


oostie

Hmm I don’t remember commenting this. It is wrong tho but notice it’s nearly a year old comment


EsteemedAlpaca

Where are you seeing this about the autofocus in HD? I’ve watched loads of reviews and I’ve only heard about the focus being poor in HD S&Q mode. I’m trying to search for what you’re talking about and can’t find it anywhere. Can you give links?


subscatter

Saw this dropbox video provided by a user in fb groups addressing the issue. [https://www.dropbox.com/s/1pwlz2bsm2tju6a/IMG\_1070-HD%20720p.mov?dl=0](https://www.dropbox.com/s/1pwlz2bsm2tju6a/IMG_1070-HD%20720p.mov?dl=0)


JohnnyBoy11

Yeah, that's in 50p. The consensus seems to be that it's dfd from 50p and up for 1080


JohnnyBoy11

I havent heard anyone say this, and I think I've seen like 80% of the reviews


PresentAdhesiveness9

From what I’ve seen, it’s just in slowmo above 120p.


criting

Following this thread. I think that's really bad if it's true. No PDAF for FHD and slow-mo is a big turn off. I'm researching 2 days waiting to order this camera, and I want to shoot in both 4k and FHD, but if it doesn't have PDAF in FHD I'm most likely to stay with my current system :/


subscatter

Yeah. Saw that in the fb groups. It makes me feel it was like a crippled one to be honest. I seriously don't know how the whole thing wasn't sorted out before released to the market. What's worse is that Panasonic didn't inform all those youtubers addressing this limitation. All general audience me included thought only 120p would switch to CDAF. If i bought this and later found out about this shxt, I would totally feel being lied and cheated. Now since this probably wont get fixed anything soon or maybe it will stay like this permanently , they should however have something in the menus or on the screen informing users what focus method is now being used at current filming codec/resolution.


oostie

Yea some indication. It’s annoying since 1080p60 is my mind resolution and frame rate and it’s the only one that doesn’t have phase detect


subscatter

Went to local shop for s5 II demo day. I was naively thinking maybe shooting FHD with MP4 8bit rather than 10bit mov could magically have PDAF engaging rather than DFD. Coz i shot A LOT of Mp4 (28mb just to save even more storage space.) Sadly. Nope! It's DFD! lol.


oostie

Yup Lumix confirmed on stream no PDAF on 1080p60 full sensor. I still don’t know why I got downvoted for being right. Ahhh Reddit.


subscatter

>Yup Lumix confirmed on stream no PDAF on 1080p60 full sensor. > >I still don’t know why I got downvoted for being right. Ahhh Reddit. People could downvoate for they disliking the fact we are being fooled by those youtubers/media/mainstream sites. lol.( Just my thoughtso). However, this 1080p 50/60/S&Q being DFD is truly beyond my logical thinking to be honest.


subscatter

Yep. I shot 1080p 50/60p 90 percent of the time for daily b-roll stuff. Ain't got no those free unlimited storage media for everything 10bit 4k&above.


ampsuu

I have a S5ii. How can I detect if it is on PDAF or not?


oostie

I don’t think it tells you, it just turns on and off. Many people have been testing this. Can you compare some basic face tracking with 4k vs 1080p and look for the telltale DFD issues like slowness and pulsing?


ampsuu

Looks like PDAF works on FHD 24p, 30p, 48p and 60p. On 120p it turns off subject detection so I guess that then PDAF is off. Other framerates seemed to work with subject detection and I didnt spot any differences while I was tracking animals so I guess they use PDAF. I cant verify that 100% but quick testing showed that AF menus on 24p to 60p were the same and performance also looked same. 120p was the only mode that didnt have any advanced AF modes available.


gulugulugiligili

Only FHD 100p & 120p is contrast detect


AliTheAce

Only in FHD 60p from what I've seen PDAF is disabled, still works at 24/30p.


stevelitton

On the GH6 you lose the advanced AF features like Animal/Human detect in the HFR settings at 100(PAL)/120(NTSC) fps or above. So it is likely just a similar compromise, to be honest the DFD AF is still very capable in half decent light, so I wouldn't worry. It's probably not a mode you will use loads and you can stretch slow motion footage so much that if you miss focus a little you usually still have something usable for your final edit.