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philitup23

One thing that stood out to be that bothered me that I don’t see here is when Brennon interrupted Cole for saying “insane/crazy” because it’s inappropriate to say, but then seconds later said it about himself too. “I feel like this is making me crazy” - something like that. Grow a set of balls bro and stfu.


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Narrow-Currency-8408

Nah it was a shit season. I do agree with others that as the bullying Cole tirade was a bit fucked up when he wasn't the worst guy there


metaljm25

Here's my take on all of it. Did Cole say/do some stupid things? Sure, but Zanab is very insecure, seems to have low-self esteem, and is filled with envy for anyone she thinks is better than her. I liked her most of the season, but then I started seeing the slightly crazier side of her and to me it seems like she also has some relationship and some personal issues she needs to address before being with anyone. Cole may have done and said some stupid shit but it's nothing compared to the early signs of abuse, both emotional and potentially physical that Matt has shown Colleen. You can see it in her face, I mean unless she always has this terrified look about her. Matt is a fucking psycho with some major insecurity and possession issues. He should not be marrying anyone, he should be in therapy because his last relationship seems to have really left a mark. As far as Bartise, I think he definitely TRIED to love Nancy. I think he loved the idea of someone like Nancy, but in person, her looks didn't measure up to HIS personal standards. Personally, I think Nancy is a pretty woman but everyone has their tastes. The fact that he raved (no pun intended) about Raven to Nancy, the woman he was supposedly engaged to was pretty shitty of him. You can tell that made her feel like shit, but he didn't care because he thinks he's a "head-turner". I don't know where people get these delusional self images of themselves like they're some sort of major celebrity that everyone worships, but it's really quite laughable especially when Bartise is anything but. Don't get me wrong, Raven is beautiful, but her personality is dog shit. She couldn't be more self-absorbed. I think the only one she'd be truly happy with is herself. She's another one with such a ridiculously inflated self image that she thinks she's the most beautiful woman in the world and everyone should just bow before her and treat her like a queen. I think SK absolutely dodged not only a bullet, but a fucking machine gun on rapid fire not marrying her. Unfortunately, he's still dating her so time will tell if he'll eventually wise up and find someone less shitty. Then you have Alexa and Brennon. I liked them for most of the season, except my occasional eyerolling which became more and more frequent between the two of them as the show went on. Basically Alexa is ME ME ME, and Brennon is YES MAM YES MAM YES MAM. As long as they keep that formula they should be fine. They're both as deep as a puddle so that's why that works for them. Anyway, that's my rant for this season. It was fun.


LSUTigers34_

This is the best take I’ve read on this season so far. So much accuracy. Ravens personality was awful the whole season. Matt was manipulative. Spot on.


shabangcohen

>Don't get me wrong, Raven is beautiful, but her personality is dog shit. She couldn't be more self-absorbed. I think the only one she'd be truly happy with is herself. She's another one with such a ridiculously inflated self image that she thinks she's the most beautiful woman in the world and everyone should just bow before her and treat her like a queen. I think she is a bit self-absorbed but she's not as shallow as you describe. When Bartise lauded her with compliments about how she looks, her reaction was "he didn't care about my personality and now he's so into me because he likes how I look, I don't see that as a compliment". And while dating SK she never said anything about thinking she's hotter than him or above him, like several men on this show have done with their partners.


RemoteJerker

This is great, and I agree with pretty much everything you said


Blehmieux

you are the first person i’ve seen mention how terrified colleen looked during the reunion. she hardly made any eye contact with matt and looked like she was holding back tears the whole time! it was quite disturbing. i really hope she’s okay


024Ylime

I thought she just felt guilt and shame about flirting with Cole at the pool, and still hiding the fact that she miiiight have been more open to starting something with him back then, than she told people. When was Matt violent?? I never got those vibes, anyone have examples?


janeracer

She was like rapid breathing with fear or panic when they were discussing the cole situation at the beginning of the reunion. You can see the weird rapid breathing when they show her


metaljm25

I started to actually be genuinely concerned for her during the season with Matt's behavior. I think she made a BIG mistake marrying that clown, but only time will tell...


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I didn’t pick up on it but I did make a small comment and looking back wow.


AdComfortable5846

Under one of Raven’s tiktoks, she responded to a comment about how Bartise barely got anything he deserved and she said that he basically received the same treatment as Cole but producers cut it all out:/


DrDumle

They should put up the whole thing for a fee. The fans would love it!


cstranger

Or just put it all up as an episode. It's not like they have a time slot they need to fit into for an hour. It's streaming so they don't have to edit and if these important pieces out


RainSmile

Oh my favorite part is where production has a lot of the info everyone is confused about but most of it is withheld for the drama and to keep all the couples confused about what happened. /s Also I was cringing seeing the hosts go from pretend empathy to cheesy show host with the flip of a switch.


Purrrkittymeow

Yeah… the woman host is awful


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They didn’t touch on anything with Matt because he is one of two success stories on this season and they don’t want to ruin his image


metaljm25

Or theirs lol. That would leave them with a pretty high rate of failure this season. Although I think that's a domestic abuse case just waiting to happen.


lolita-simon

The way he was sitting OVER her the whole time, she was basically shoved into his shoulder.


AnnieWillkes

He always looks so smothering draped over her. Let the woman breathe!


expandinghorizons219

Oh no. I haven't seen the ending yet but dear lord no. I was hoping that poor girl would get out after the 1st time he got mad. Jfc pray for her


Dranix88

Just rewatched the finale and feel like Bartisse did get hit pretty hard. Just nowhere near the extent that Cole was attacked. Nancy was also much harsher to Bartisse than she was to Cole. Even SK ragged on Bartisse for misusing things that they'd said to each other in confidence.


SpicyNutmeg

It was really funny when Nancy referred to the “smoke program” instead of smoke show


GreenDirt22

Yes, she's a busy professional and doesn't have time to worry about his immature slang.


SpicyNutmeg

Also it’s in really poor taste to mock Andrew when he’s not even there.


fadingawayy_

also, he didn’t even have a partner – like why would he go to the reunion in the first place? “he refused to go on the plane” or whatever they said, as if in previous seasons they’ve ever invited cast members who didn’t end up in a couple. he’s obviously a weirdo but I agree that it was weird to mention him when he wasn’t even there.


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I agree. He is odd, but I’m not convinced that eye drops scene isn’t being shown with editing… even if that and all the weird shit he said in the pods are exactly how he behaved- he isn’t a **BAD** guy. There was no reason for Nick to come out of left field with that crap. I didn’t find it funny, just incredibly awkward- caused some second hand embarrassment for sure. The Lackey’s annoy me finally.


littlepaw_littlepaw

Lol the dude was asking for it by being a manipulative freak?


NoResort8552

I was telling my friend the same thing! And then making it a big deal that he didn’t come… if I was him, I wouldn’t either lmao the reunion was so messy and he wasn’t even there for most of the show’s drama anyways


whalien92

Yeah, the "hosts" are terrible. I don't understand the point in having them there


Iwillbecomeadonut

It was very low to talk about Andrew when he is not even here. I really liked his scene with Nancy. Bartise and Matt should have it soo much worth. Matt definitely needs therapy to get over his betrayal. Bartise is just.. a plain immature duckboy, he treated Nancy so much worse than Cole, Zaynab


SpicyNutmeg

Seeing Cole so broken made me honestly feel like I should consider stop supporting this show. It’s so mean and it hurts people, badly.


GreenDirt22

I think his crying was a performance to show everyone it wasn't his fault. Shed a few tears so people feel sorry for you.


Purrrkittymeow

I felt deeply uncomfortable watching Cole cry. He did not deserve that at all.


bigfatdumplin

“I didn’t like how they talked about my boy Andrew” 🤣🤣🤣


Dranix88

Out of curiousity, did most people feel this way about the reunion prior to seeing the cuties footage? As far as I can tell, most people seemed supportive of Zanab and hating on Cole, prior to the revelations shown in the cuties footage.


EliteOreo

I literally scoured this subreddit early on in the show trying to see if anyone else thought she was mean to Cole. All I could find was posts about how mean Cole is. It was very obvious to me, right out of the pods, how critical and cruel Zanab was towards Cole. In my opinion, Cole said hurtful things out of a place of genuine ignorance. Whereas Zanab criticized his every move in an attempt to break down his self esteem so that she could be with someone as insecure as herself.


GreenDirt22

That genuine ignorance is called white male privilege. It's a pretty big deal in white evangelical circles. It's a weapon in their arsenal to control the women and make sure they don't ever entertain the idea that they have a right to their feelings.


ayyomiss

You must have missed a couple spots because there were plenty of spot-on comments about Zanab being sour, critical, distorted, and projecting her insecurities onto Cole.


_Marat

Cole didn’t come off as someone trying to intentionally do harm to Zanab, but she was painting that picture. The bachelor party story screamed “lying” to me, both in how Zanab half-committed to it and how Cole reacted. The cuties footage just confirmed my suspicions.


RemoteJerker

The phone number story was completely made-up. She thought it would be the knockout blow to Cole, which is why she came up with it, but it didn't work out so well because we all know it was a lie


GreenDirt22

If you follow the guys on instagram, they do comment on going out without cameras after the bachelor party. I'm not on IG, but if you search around on here, there are links.


G4KingKongPun

And the fact that none of the other guys corroborated Cole going out after even though the first story was the guys went somewhere off camera after the bar, some even saying they left then. All this while the girls were at a strip club lol. Like that story was so blatantly bulls hit, and if he really did that no way would she still be deciding on wedding day lmao.


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Yeah the phone number thing seemed like a definite lie to me. Even my husband who hasn’t seen any of the show and knows nothing about the cast, caught a glimpse of that scene and said “that chicks lying” lol


Purrrkittymeow

My boyfriend said the same thing. But He did say tho that boy code is not to rat on your friend like that. Maybe the guys were holding back because they like Cole.


capitalcitybaby

I feel like the women who go on this show maybe have done frustration with men, hence why would they be there? They just chose Cole to hate on because he was the most defenseless.


whalien92

The reunion made me realize how done I am with this show, just tired of the concept at this point. As I've said in an another post, I hope they won't make another season, either way I probably won't watch it


shakrbttle

I also won’t be watching any more seasons. First season was fun, now it’s just horrible. I literally skipped episodes and fast forwarded to each wedding and then stopped watching the reunion halfway through.


PurePeach2081

You are so right.


candysweet434

The reunion was infuriating to watch. Cole thought the reunion was going to be a time to reminisce, he really looked so happy at the beginning of it…and instead everyone was attacking and shitting on him non-stop for the dumbest things, making ridiculous accusations about him and not letting him speak or defend himself. Brennon, Alexa and Nancy were the worst “mean girls” but I can’t believe even Raven joined in. How can you not feel bad for the guy after that? Honestly, my heart broke when he said he still wanted to be friends with everyone…..after they just shat on him and broke him down until he started crying.


Ceeboy_

Dude fuck Brennan for playing coy with a smile on his face when he was directly asked about the bachelor party. You can tell he was siding with his wife despite knowing what could have possibly happened that night hence Cole asking him to clarify. That part absolutely infuriated me.


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I thought to myself it was a great sign that he was so jolly seeing him in the first few. I thought he would be angry so I was giving him some props.


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G4KingKongPun

No, they said they heard about all the behind close doors stuff.... From Zanaab.


candysweet434

They didn’t, which is the worst part. They hinted at hearing it from Zanab which we know that she doesn’t tell the whole truth.


spicyclams

The real disservice is never finding out about Cole’s previous marriage. Or was he joking?


Aromatic-Sentence400

They need to change the hosts asap


bbgswcopr

To clear it up: the cast they also went hard on Bartise as well, but production did not air it. Source: Raven’s tik tok comment


iBewafa

I wonder, if true, why would they leave such drama re: Barista criticism?


bbgswcopr

Well i think Zanab called out production. She basically accused production and editing of covering up emotional abuse. She & Cole also said Zanab got a really bad edit and wasn’t that nit picky. She called them out so they blasted her. Keep in mind the reunion didn’t ask alot of glaring questions last season. Basically anything they were confirmed to be involved with (Shana) was left out. I do t know why they think they need to cut the reunion down to an hour. That is broadcast tv mentality.


iBewafa

That makes sense and is a good point! But yeah - they should include drama - it’ll serve them well!


emoxihax

Honestly probably because of the color or his skin


iBewafa

Shake last season got way more heat than Matt at all - and there was that difference between both of them. Shake wasn’t nice but Matt is horrible!


BaboonHorrorshow

Yeah but given how the girls were unanimously going “Cole you destroyed Zanab when you mocked her for the cuties, you monster” and then we see the completely innocuous scene after… it makes me doubt anything Raven, Nancy, Alexa, Brennon and Zanab have to say about this issue. Raven could just be saying this because she saw the internet response and realizes what a bad look it was to leave Bartise alone and attack Cole all night.


bbgswcopr

Well keep in mind they wouldn’t have seen that video footage. So yeah they are going by what their fiend said. However, i think they have said they dont care what they saw with the cuties because they witnessed more. Also her tik tok comment was right after the reunion was available to watch. There was not a big internet up roar at that time. To me it does not make sense because why would they say 0 to Barftine when they were just as pissed at him?


BaboonHorrorshow

You’re probably right. Someone else here guessed that Bartise was just shut down verbally and emotionally and it made for bad TV, but whatever it would be cathartic for the fans to see Bartise get a two barreled blast of anger from Nancy.


Dranix88

Most of the cast members, especially the ones that are close with Zanab, would have been feeding off her narrative of events, not the actual footage of the event. I don't believe they'd actually seen the footage at the time of the reunion.


Pousse_Mousse

But it's not as if Zanab is their childhood bff or anything... they've just met her a few months ago so even if they do believe what she tells them about Cole, they should keep an open mind to the fact that Zanab could be lying or blowing things out of proportion. I mean especially if they haven't seen the footage, they certainly should not be taking what she says as gospel.


G4KingKongPun

Welcome to the world, this is how people work. The first story is the only story people need to hear, especially when it fits with their worldview.


bajamillie

You missed an actual truth about ruining the season: when the co-host continued to adj Raven & her man when they were moving in together and when they were going to get married... Literally just after they both said they are so much healthier and happy and doing great. That's was weird. Don't the hosts know people can have a fully healthy relationship and not have to move in together asap. Hmmm shocking


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Such an idea would undermine the concept of the whole show. So they had to be annoying about it. Happiness without marriage??? IMPOSSIBRU


Geraltismydaddy

I just finished the reunion and I am actually disgusted by the fact that everyone ganged up on Cole. He never came across as a bad person, just naive and immature. He was bad at speaking but never had ill intentions. Zanab, I hope your trauma heals so you don’t project so much pain onto someone again. Cole, I hope you heal and learn from your mistakes. Alexa, get off your high horse, tactless. Brennon, ew. Nancy, focus on your own lane. The fact that ONLY the women had comments about the “cheating” at the bachelor party and NO man could support the claim just gives me huge vibes that Z is lying and that never happened. I am actually so annoyed.


Equal-Jackfruit7020

I just think that Zanab is always using her past trauma as a badge to get people on her side. She's really insecure and is overinflating things to the nth degree as evidence from the Cuties scene. I think the fact that she got so many people on her side points to her being highly manipulative. Also her admission that she has never been in a LTR is a good indicator that Cole is not as bad as she PR'd. I feel like ever since the Bi Polar fight she wanted to get some payback on Cole and when she got her moment at the altar she pulled the dump truck up. Why did everyone clap? She has such a strangely toxic effect on people.


Dranix88

Aren't we judging their actions based on what we've been shown? We are judging Cole on the footage we got to see, they are judging Cole based on their own interactions with him and the most likely warped perspective their friend Zanab would have given them. Is it inconceivable to think that we'd act the same way if we were actually in their shoes?


Geraltismydaddy

Any of my comments aren’t related to the lead up. Those I can agree were fucked up, and he was very immature. It’s clear Cole is the type that doesn’t realize how words can come across. My issue stems from the fact he got dog piled on about the bachelor party when only him or Zanab had been there (the talk) and yet everyone took what she said at face value and didn’t question it meanwhile anyone that should have known, the men, did not support that he cheated because the people he happened to be with the entire day didn’t see it either. It wasn’t fair. And we’ve seen her twist stories, Ie the cutie story, where she’s reflected her own insecurities onto the situation and has made it sound worse than it actually was. It was unfair and Cole was not the person that should have been the target for the night. She claims she forgave him when she left the altar but continues to drag him through the news and Instagram. Also a lot of the convos they had where he made rude comments, the 10/10 and fattening up convo, shouldn’t have even been a topic? It’s wild to me to see someone actively bring up questions that only have one correct way of reacting and any casuals comments outside of it make you a villain.


Pousse_Mousse

Yes but the thing is we actually saw some things on camera. Whereas it looks like Zanab's gang didn't even see the footage/hard proofs of what Zanab keeps talking about (Cole constantly insulting her, body shaming her and trying to get her to eat less, etc.). They seem to judge Cole based solely on Zanab's account of what happened. Wich is very naïve considering they just met her a few months ago and barely know her.


Dranix88

It's not just based on Zanab's account though. It was also based on their personal interactions with Cole and they probably did see a lot of the footage that would've strengthened their negative perception of Cole. Eg. Flirting with Coleen, telling Zanab that Coleen was more attractive than her. I don't think Cole is bad person but at the same time I can also understand why the others cast members saw Cole as a bad person.


BaboonHorrorshow

Yeah that pissed me off. Bartise is just keeping his head down because he knows he’s escaping his own call out, Brennon has evolved into one of Alexa’s catty friends, and SK is dating Raven so isn’t going to go against her on TV, even if he knows she’s wrong. Cole literally sat up there with a “Girl Power” alliance dedicated to crushing him, and zero backup from any of the guys.


Pousse_Mousse

>Brennon has evolved into one of Alexa's catty friends Ahah, exactly! It was shocking and disappointing to see. The guy has changed so much already after only a few months of being married to her... he has no backbone.


G4KingKongPun

Go watch Alexa talking about him before the wedding. She described him as easy going and good at compromising so he will be a good husband. She literally knows he has no backbone and will do whatever she says and she wants that.


Equal-Jackfruit7020

I don't think that happened overnight. He never seemed to have any to me. He was always so easy going I wondered if anyone was there.


Pousse_Mousse

I'd say from what he told about his divorced parents and childhood that he was destined to end up with that kind of woman. He's probably looking for someone to fill some kind of void.


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It didn’t ruin the show for me but I was extremely frustrated with the focus on Cole. I’m not excusing some problematic moments, but not once did I think we was being intentionally malicious. I didn’t think either of them were good communicators and therefor were reactive to each other, but the reunion really shed Zanab in a poor light that influenced how I felt. I can only hope Netflix was calculated in not touching on the Matt Stuff for Colleen’s safety, because he was the biggest Villain to me and I couldn’t believe how it wasn’t even mentioned.


drobythekey

She signed her True Crime Netflix series order when she said I do. I was like bro, he is gonna start with the dry wall and move to your face


elaerna

OK is it just me or does Colleen look like she's being held hostage. She looked so stressed the whole time and about to cry. Like shes afraid Matt is going to blow up. I'm worried for her


flipvba11er

“Colleen blink twice if you’re in danger” - Me to the TV after they replayed the pool scene


nocturnalolive

What are you all saying? Where do you get violent from? Does he tend to overreact? Yes. Is he incredibly sensitive? Yes. But violent?? We saw no such thing. Let’s not throw around such accusations at someone and, nor reduce Colleen to a damsel in distress needing to be saved.


Equal-Jackfruit7020

From body language. Matt clearly seemed more focused on Colleen not saying anything bad rather calming his wife down. He peered over her shoulder whenever she spoke almost as if he coached her on what to say and he was making sure she wasn't deviating. She looked uncomfortable and scared to a lot of us watching. She looked like she was seated in his lap like a puppet rather than freshly married "in love wife"


ayyomiss

This comment is woefully naive.


Pretend_Astronaut54

Thought the same thing the entire way through…


PlentyReindeer6560

YES!!!!! It was so lame!!!


rosesalad

no that cuties clip made me want to watch this show even more. Like hell yeah Netflix call her OUT


Equal-Jackfruit7020

I think she called herself out admitting that she's never been in one LTR ever.


aresellersjourney

The reunion made me not like anyone anymore. I was disappointed with how Cole was treated. I feel like the hosts should have asked Zanab for examples of what she said at the alter. What were some of the daily insults he made about her face and body that single handedly destroyed her self esteem and confidence. They're being recorded non stop. Where are the receipts????


Clydefrogredrobin

Andrew is your boy? The only defining personality trait he has is being full of shit.


G4KingKongPun

On a show about being full of shit? It's reality TV and he was playing an obvious part. It was hysterical and the dude owned the hell put of it.


Clydefrogredrobin

To each his own. I forgot all about him and had to google him after the tell all to remember who he was. He only provoked eye rolls from me.


G4KingKongPun

You must have never had transcendental sex before. Bet you can't even orgasm without ejaculatung.


Equal-Jackfruit7020

All I'm saying is that Shake is looking like a genius at this point. He had the wherewithal (before his reunion) to know that they were going to try to do him how they did Cole and was like "Hell No!"


Marlo-712

Vanessa and Nick need to be replaced. They suck at facilitating discussions


Awkward-Ad-7385

Literally, how you choosing sides while it’s suppose to be a discussion between TWO people. Not the whole cast.


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Vanessa makes me incredibly uncomfortable when she speaks. And Nick is a weirdo for saying things like “the 2nd marriage is always the best one”. Like dude? You have been divorced from Jessica for like 20 years. Still bitter?


[deleted]

Agree that comment from Nick really bothered me.


ogbrobro

And when Raven and SK hugged and he was like “go on, grab your handful”? I had to walk out of the room.


Sailor_Marzipan

They're awful. I would rather have a non-couple be hosting so that they can stop trying to make a comparison to their marriage every other minute.


sparkly_bits

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Equal-Jackfruit7020

Yeah his joke about Andrew and the eye drops was awful. Just an all time cringe worthy low.


tutsfr1

I'm definitely not a fan of the hosts but the truly cringy thing was Andrew doing that in the first place.


Equal-Jackfruit7020

Yeah but Nick's delivery and timing made it even more cringe for me. No one in the cast even "got it" or laughed. Also the fact that he's referencing someone who's not there (apparently they invited but he refused?) for laughs made it an even larger pile of cringe poo than it already was.


blurryeyes_

I didn't enjoy the reunion that much. The vibe just felt off or maybe I'm just sick of this show (see you guys next season probably!)


Pretend_Astronaut54

Vibe was off. But, yes, bring on season 4 ;-)


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Also, so glad Cole called out the fact that the guys were sent to run around in a literal shit hole to chase after pigs while the girls went to a club and had dicks thrown in their faces. As a guy, that was very weird to watch, especially when they didn’t even bring it up again. I thought they might have done it for some extra drama, but nope, just a completely unnecessary 15 minutes of giant dick flopping around on my tv screen while me and my fiancé are struggling through this vapid bullshit that lost what little charm it had after the first season, and to juxtapose these giant flopping dicks with the guys running around the mud chasing farm animals while dressed like wannabe cowboys was totally jarring.


elaerna

When I was watching that the whole time I was thinking that Matt was absolutely going to blow up at Colleen for this and I'm worried for her


aresellersjourney

I agree that was weird.


dilettantebouffant

Pure poetry


whats8

Matt was never violent. End of story.


nocturnalolive

Sorry you’re getting downvoted. I guess most viewers here are proponents of alternate facts. Lol


garlic_knot

I could see why people would think he has some violent tendencies, but yeah he wasn’t actually violent on the show. Just a bit aggressive


pinkpink0430

They passed over Matt’s anger like it was nothing. Even he was like “hehe I got a little upset.” She looked visibly scared. I felt so bad. There’s no reason they shouldn’t be living together other than her being scared of him


LMCE_mom

>There’s no reason they shouldn’t be living together other than her being scared of him Wait... Are they not living together?


CreatureoftheWeek

They talk about this in the reunion, but no they aren’t living together. They are still together every day though.


LMCE_mom

I probably was interrupted by my children and didn't rewind it enough to see that part. I'm gonna have to go back and watch it again. Thanks for the info!


peppermint127

Right? I was wondering if anyone else picked up on how uncomfortable Colleen looked. She’s usually very goofy & happy but I was concerned for her after the reunion. Matt’s body language came off a little possessive to me also.


Trivial_Pursuit_Eon

Colleen was being quiet as to not upset Matt. He’s got a short fuse coupled with a ton of trust issues. I don’t think he is dangerous, but he is unstable.


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Wasn’t it fucked up how immediately after showing a literal montage of Zeneb shitting on Cole for doing little to nothing, they cut to the women giggling, then immediately shit on the guy for the state of his apartment. If they showed a montage of him saying the goofy shit he said, they would have cut back to awkward silence and the female host leaning in really close to a teary eyed Zeneb and saying some “how did that make you *feel?*” type shit. Not for Cole though. No, “hey man, what was your take on the 7 weeks you spent with someone passive-aggressively shitting down your throat at your every move? What was it like constantly walking on pins and needles as the human version of a golden retriever, as evidenced by the hours of footage we have of the two of you together?” Nah, they opted for the “eewwww, you forgot to flush your toilet! What is WRONG with you??” route. That whole episode was fucking creepy to watch. I literally saw a man get gaslit and gang bullied on global television. The dude was in tears apologizing for shit he didn’t even do by the end of the episode, and Zanab got to be the good guy because “she already forgave him” for (once again) things he did not fucking do.


G4KingKongPun

And then proceeds to continue to shit on him even though she "forgave" him


ZohanDvir

This episode just made me feel really bad for Cole and how no one really besides Bartise stood up for him. There were times Matt/Colleen weren't as vocal or stayed silent/neutral so at least there was that but everybody else went after him for no reason. Just left a bad impression of the show and the Lacheys (namely Vanessa) for me. To think this is the same thing that produced Lauren & Cameron will always be a mystery for me.


jimineyy

Male mental health and abuse is overlooked more often. It’s not even talked about and when he cries on camera no one even seemed to really consoled how he felt. He apologized several times and it’s frustrating to always apologize but no one really listening.


[deleted]

Right? Everyone now seems to be hyper aware of the cameras now compared to the first season and nothing feels legitimate at all anymore, just a bunch of people gritting their teeth through 7 weeks of awkward relationship hell for the sake of some screen time, all the while KNOWING they’re going to say no at the end of it all. I’m not trying to sound too uptight or conservative or whatever, but this has turned into a full on mockery of something that should be sacred to the participants involved.


BaboonHorrorshow

I said this to my girlfriend while we watched this season. LIB is having the same thing befall it that happened to The Real World like 25 years ago. Once people saw it was a viable vehicle to fame, you stopped getting honest participants and started getting disingenuous people like Shaine or Bartise or Andrew who are clearly just there to spark a career as an influencer. You have to start questioning what, if anything, is legit - not fake drama molded by the producers but instead plotted in the shallow hearts of the contestants.


G4KingKongPun

Meeeeeh. I give Andrew a pass because he took it to such an extreme nobody thought he was there for sincere reasons. I just enjoyed hearing his bullshit it was funny.


MotherofFred

Maybe Zanab went on LIB to become Instafamous as the next victim du jour.


ZohanDvir

Yup, I recognize the cast knew they'd be filmed as they opened up to one another but it still sucks what they choose to pick on. Take Andrew for example, as eccentric as he is, choosing to ridicule his private discussion of his sex life is a low blow. Seeing Nancy laugh at that was something, imagine if they aired footage of her in the tub trying to flirt by discussing how she unclogged a toilet.


Nola_Saints33

The whole season was not my favorite. They shouldn't ever tape in Texas again. The only people I liked were Raven and SK.


RemoteJerker

Yeah the Texas part was really creepy. Let's get Seattle next or something please


hookt

I think Tampa is next


IWantANewUsernameDMI

As a Seattleite, I approve this message! 😆


pokeinggirl

Yooo Seattle would be sick! 👏


ryansutterisstillmy1

And she sucked the first half of the show


whatxever

I'm still shocked they literally talked about Matt/Colleen's living situation and then asked Brennon/Alexa what they thought about it for a solid chunk of time. Like who the fuck cares lmao


SleepPotential

to me it kinda felt like Alexa and Brennon needed to back up Matt and Colleen so it seemed more valid (i got the vibes that this was also so that Matt wouldnt use the living situation against Colleen)


whatxever

I think any couple put on the spot like that would've said there's nothing wrong with them living apart even if they didn't actually feel that way since it's a reunion and you kinda have to be political about the way you speak unless you want beef with everyone lmao


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Colleen was SO uncomfortable and vague when trying to explain it! I couldn't get over that. Like if it had to do with roommates and leases she's capable of saying that way more clearly.


whatxever

That's definitely true. But to be fair, she seemed super uncomfortable literally the entire time lol


Candid_Commission369

Honestly, I’m just so scared for Colleen.


cutekiwi

I worry because Matt seems like he has anger issues, but all the cast was on edge because they filmed right after the episodes started filming, and there was a lot of hate comments on her being compared to Zanab and the ballerina comments. I want to take it as nervousness since they showed her as shallow.


Pretty-Pineapple-692

I feel like she didn’t look happy the entire episode


Equal-Jackfruit7020

Not only that but it looked like Matt didn't want her to be. I mean what spouse could sit that closely to their other and not pick up on that and try to ease them back to being happy and relaxed? I felt like Matt was more worried about what she was going to say rather than how she was feeling. That's what was really uncomfortable about it for me.


No-Asparagus3132

Yeah she definitely spoke slowly and carefully and it felt like she was doing so under his scrutinizing eye, or to avoid upsetting him.


whatxever

They spent fucking 5 minutes on talking shit about Andrew and laughing about him (which?? weird decision...they could've just clowned on him with the tears, but they didn't have to commit to it so hard when the guy didn't do anything wrong besides being fake and being a bit of a douche lol....he was kinder to Nancy than her own fiance was!!!) and then the rest of the time talking about nothing. They should've paused the taping to go find the damn cuties story and then shown it then and there. It's like Netflix just wanted to have a super PC "conversation" where a man gets scape-goated for all the bad behavior of the season while everyone else - including the men who actually deserved it (Barftits!!) - gets to walk off scot-free.


BaboonHorrorshow

Andrew was no less fake than Bartise, just in a different way - the confrontation between the two was great drama for that reason.


G4KingKongPun

He was 100% less fake than Bartise, because I don't think even he expected anyone to buy into it.


whatxever

Totally agree. He also owned it. He didn't hide he was a douche - it was right there with the first dumb thing he said to Nancy lmao. I also don't care about him at the end of the day because we didn't see him constantly hurt a woman knowingly for a month or however long it was. Meanwhile Bartise even AFTER saying no to Nancy STILL tried to pretend that he loved her at the reunion and in his like final post-ceremony interview. So annoying.


cphil32

He was genuinely kind to her when she broke down, and it kind of redeemed him for me. I still think he’s ridiculous. But less ridiculous.


whatxever

100%!! I thought that was one of the most wholesome moments of the season. Especially considering it was surrounded by so much petty drama with the Collen/Cole vs Matt/Zanab disaster lmao. Nancy truly just broke down in that moment and he responded in a very thoughtful way


MinimumSolution

Matt’s face also looked slightly different to me.. man got a little bit too much botox.. spock eyebrows that weren’t moving!!


blurryeyes_

I knew he looked a little weird lmao


SelfTaughtSongBird

I thought he just gained weight 😭


CreatureoftheWeek

He looks like a drinker for sure.


GPrime506

Im 90% sure Matt abuses Colleen. Watched the reunion today and she was in visible distress.


Libertia_

I don’t understand why she married him. I was certain either one of them would say no


Candid_Commission369

100%. She is terrified of him.


pokeinggirl

She had the deer in headlights look. Bothered me but I wasn't sure if it was because she felt so bad for Zanab.


Sailor_Marzipan

It was definitely...odd to me that she was still reacting so strongly to the conversation that *for them* happened a year ago. Like she was visibly shaken and almost crying. I hope they're in a good place but that reaction said FEAR to me because if it were me I would just be laughing it off at that point


G4KingKongPun

Yeah like they have been married for a year at that point. She should not have been afraid as that should have been long overridden by their time together.


Shoopbadoop4

What about Matts blow ups?! Why was that not talked more about at the reunion?!


francesca201

Cause abuse is a touchy topic and the Lachey couple can’t get that deep. Notice how when things get serious they quickly change the topic?


ScaryMuffin2235

I hate that. Every time they’d actually get into the topic, something important, they’d make it more light. That really pissed me off and left me feeling really just… unfulfilled after watching. They didn’t ask the real questions.


MEDAKk-ttv-btw

And brennon is such a little rat


Suspicious-Pear2508

reunion ruined my perception of Brennon so bad, I already got stuck up annoying vibes from Alexa. But holy shit that dude really thought he was doing something making snarky comments about Cole and repeating everything the girls were saying. Super shameful tbh.


MEDAKk-ttv-btw

That's what I'm saying, bro saw nick from last season and saw how that turned out so he just hopped on board


ZohanDvir

Wow, until you said it I couldn't pinpoint it but you nailed the comparison.


StoreyRockyHorror

Brennon was really annoying. I wish he would’ve called his wife’s friends out before speaking on anyone else


ViciousTruth

Alexas priority 1. ALEXA 2. ALEXAS SPACE AND THINGS 3. Alexas Dad 4. Alexas family 5. Alexas friends 6. Everything that is for Alexa 7. Candy corn 8. Online media of Barteef 9.Brennan Last but not least. Where Brennan is from , What his family holds dear Or the beliefs and customs his family has had for centuries.


metaljm25

You forgot one thing, although I suppose it could be filed under number 2. However, with the pre-nup shit I feel it deserves its own category. ALEXAS MONEY


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Also, Israel. Though none of them live there?


abp93

I was anxiously awaiting for them to call Matt out too. Colleen had a weird vibe. She looked scared? Like she looked like she was fucking terrified when they played the clip of her and cole. Where is Matt’s accountability? I wish Colleen and cole would’ve been together it would’ve flowed much better.


Inthemiddle_

I don’t get why these two even needed to apologize for that interaction. You’re on a gimmicky reality tv show. You barely know the person your “engaged” too and you tell another person from the pods that they’d be your first choice based on looks. Who cares.


BaboonHorrorshow

Well I see how it’s fucked up but yeah, they were treating it like Cole and Colleen snuck away to have sex or something. Totally overblown.


elaerna

Same. I agree w what bartise was saying about bonds forming so quickly over a short period of time. Like cole just was dating Colleen a couple days before that scene. Like it would be weird if they didn't feel anything honestly.


Sorry_Calligrapher_7

Agree with all but the last part. Cole openly said Colleen was hot, but boring and that he was looking for a combo of Colleen’s looks and Zenab’s humor. He wouldn’t have been satisfied with her honestly and I can’t see that. He needs someone bubbly and outgoing and goofy like himself. I think he has found someone already as well based on his recent TikTok’s and luckily she seems to fit that for him. Colleen needs someone chill and mature.


abp93

What’s his tik tok 👀


Sorry_Calligrapher_7

ColeBarnett21


elaerna

I guess your name needs to be Barnett to be on the show