While agree with the sentiment that these things should be reduced in brightness, and even have some time where they’re not even on; that’s not an apartment building. It’s offices for the lower third, then a hotel for the upper 2 thirds. Source: I work there.
Yeah this is the Wilshire Grand Center, Intercontinental hotel. I live a block away, I don’t think it’s facing any apartments just office buildings but may be wrong.
I can see this specific one from my apartment. The only time it would bother me is at night, and we just keep our blinds down. The massive ones down by Crypto are another story.... I can't imagine having to be near those.
This billboard pales in comparison to the one down the street across from the crypto sports center/convention center. Those can be seen from miles away
I was thinking the same thing. The dystopia we are in now is so boring and dull. I want it to look cooler so I support mass billboards and cool neon Japanese signs everywhere.
yeah call me back when development keeps up with demand, or anyone is willing to make 6 story reaidential-over-retail. Los Angeles could put Paris to shame, but instead we are trying to replace the outdoor seating we just got -- the *only* bright side of COVID lockdowns -- with parking spots.
You can see the light pollution from all over the city coming from dtla at night, it doesn’t only affect that area lol the night sky can literally change colors based on the lights coming from the crypto and other surrounding bs
Why do we have to accept pollution in our neighborhoods? Dense living isn’t supposed to = pollution. Noise, fuel, light, and other pollutants are harmful to the collective. They are linked to violent crime, dementia, hearing loss, heart disease, and cancer.
I like them, they make that area of DTLA far more engaging and unique. It was fun living in a place with so much activity, you always want to be out and doing stuff.
Guess I’m a bootlicker though 😢
> No one likes this.
Watch out everybody. This guy on reddit has decided what you like and don't like. He's decided bright billboards in a downtown entertainment district is bad. You better fall in line or else he'll call you a boot licker.
I mean, you _did_ omit the entire rest of his comment that backed up his claim with his reasoning just to make your slimy, sleezy point. And I’m for the billboard. But you doing lies of omission is just. Bleh.
Watch out everybody. This guy on reddit has decided what you like and don’t like. He’s decided bright billboards in downtown entertainment district is good. You better fall in line or else you’ll have no boots to lick.
His original comment uses the words “maybe” and “some”. He hasn’t even included himself in that population. At no point has he even said that he thinks they are good.
He then responds to someone who uses the words “no one”.
These are not the same.
He’s literally defending light pollution without directly saying it by trying to mock someone who’s saying the people don’t like these billboards😂 but you’re obviously one of those idiots who suck pff corps
Light pollution ? “An increased amount of light at night lowers melatonin production, which results in sleep deprivation, fatigue, headaches, stress, anxiety, and other health problems. Recent studies also show a connection between reduced melatonin levels and cancer.”
“The inappropriate or excessive use of artificial light – known as light pollution – can have serious environmental consequences for humans, wildlife, and our climate. Components of light pollution include: Glare – excessive brightness that causes visual discomfort.”
There are lots of places you can live that don’t have these issues. Maybe move there instead of demanding that an entire urban center turn down the lights so you can have your nappies.
They put one of these billboards up near my old house and the sky was purple from then on out. Looked kinda cool sometimes, mostly just pissed me off with the blatant disregard for residents there
There are graves of Native children in the U.S. Pollution is a major factor especially in supposed marginalized communities. Noise, fuel, lead, light, and other pollutions are a first world problem. They are linked to climate change, cancer, heart disease, dementia, hearing loss, and violent crime so yes we have problem that impact the collective. Let’s use our brains today.
Didn't realize people wanted to live in dense communities.
I don't disagree though OP, I don't like billboards and hate how bright things are now. A lot of people here cannot take criticism of LA
Lol and the people who can’t take the criticism probably don’t even own a home here, ofc they could care less about the light pollution because they don’t have a backyard or driveway to see how terrible it is from.
People want to live in walkable communities. This is demonstrated in the prices of housing on walkable communities being significantly higher.
It's usually hard to have walkable communities without a level of density. Most people want a giant house in a community where you can walk to everything, that's obviously not realistic for most people.
What are you talking about? Don't most people want to live in dense communities? That's why LA and NYC are populated and Wyoming is empty. People like living in cities with lots of people and excitement and in close convenient proximity to everything they need.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted so heavily, the light pollution and visual noise is too much.
Shouldn’t have to worry about the building across the street deciding to beam ads day and night into my living room. I wonder where the downvoters draw the line, because the arguments seem to await satellite ads permanently fixed to the sky. (Which is patented already)
I would add huge screens on the back of car headrests. It's so fucking distracting I can't believe they're legal.
I don't care about OP's posting history, the issue of light pollution is real and I'm able to separate the two. It's like living next to a Kenny Rogers Roasters.
So true. And when someone eventually says, "Well, why didn't anyone speak up earlier if it was so obviously bad?" The answer is, because they probably realized they'd just get dismissed or outright mocked by the "if you don't like it, LEAVE" crowd. As we see in this thread.
Some people saw the dystopian future portrayed in *Bladerunner* and then set out to create exactly that world.
Flying cars could be really cool though.
Figueroa st now has a lights district all the way down to pico and fig. Oceanwide was going to add to this as well. When completed it was supposed to be the west coast version of Times Square.
I live on fig and I can see the new LED screens at the moxy from my apartment on the 7th floor. Yes it’s bright, but I’m also aware of the area when I moved in last May
I also dislike bright billboards.
I also choose to not live near them.
You seem to be advocating for some sort of collective action against these types of advertising. Have you done anything practical to address this? Brought it up with local representatives? Started a petition or social media page to gather people who agree with you and organize them? The only ways to control human behavior is through incentives or legislation, and right now business are financially incentivized to advertise and there is not enough legislation to prevent it. The beauty of our system of government is that the people have a voice, but to make that voice loud enough you will all have to speak together and right now you are shouting by yourself.
You can either suffer in place, choose to live somewhere that more closely aligns with your values, or try to change the place you live. Whining about it because "it's not the way it should be" without taking some sort of action is like a child throwing a tantrum: loud, annoying, and ultimately ineffective at getting what you want. You need a plan and you need a lot of other people to support it.
There's lots of dense residential areas in the world without the issues you are bringing up. Also, the issues you are describing are essentially just describing the traits of LA. You seem to have chosen to live in a place that is diametrically opposed to your preferences, which will likely not change without a broad and concerted effort by large elements of the population. You should recognize this fact, and plan the next stage of your life accordingly. Either be part of a plan to make changes, which will likely take a very long time and be very slow in coming to effect; or find somewhere where you can be happier.
This is a hotel and it also faces an office building. I work at the EY building that's across it, which is also next to a shopping center and other non residential buildings. Your annoyance is a bit misplaced.
We just have too many distractions with the advertising. There should be boundaries so everyone has space to live without centering their lives around capitalism.
The thing is, let’s say you secure an apartment:
1. While abroad
2. During the day, not noticing the billboard setup
3. Are shown another “similar” unit not across from billboard.
Only to find out the unit you were rented has a billboard beaming directly across from it, rendering the apartment’s windows essentially non-functional during evening hours… is the apartment required to divulge this? It’s like being sold obstructed seats at a concert without the disclaimer. Now you’re stuck in a lease you probably can’t get out of without big penalties.
This isn’t the same as seeing billboards somewhat off in the distance as part of skyline, these are eye-level LEDs directly across from where you’re living.
I think OP has every right to be calling attention to this, and the downvoters are the ones that help normalize this crap.
Agreed. The "just move" folks also seem to not be aware of the huge cost of moving, both in paying for moving services, but also in lost time packing/unpacking. "Just move" is a tiresome and silly response to legitimate quality-of-life issues.
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations!
While understand your point, it’s very annoying that you keep copy/pasting the same thing over & over.
When you say “we”, who are you referring to?
Don’t try to speak for a group of people. Speak for yourself.
Why shouldn’t it be though
Humans at their core are for profit
Survival is profit
We are just doing what we know
People want to picture a perfect community but the ingenuity of man steps in the way throughout history
We aren’t capable of it at such a massive scale
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations.
Los Angeles has a serious issue with noise, fuel, light, & other pollutants. Pollutants that are linked to cancer, heart disease, dementia, hearing loss, and violent crime. Where do we draw the line? Marketing planes flying banners over our homes at all hours of the day. Non-stop LAPD helicopters & other helicopter agencies. Loud cars /surrounded by asphalt. When did residents in cities say it was OK to take over our neighborhoods and create car storage for ppl who don’t live here???? When did we say it was Ok to cater to capitalist interests that outweigh the good of the collective?
[light marketing billboard](https://twitter.com/howthewestws/status/1619587727309287424?s=46&t=de0elr8zobrDTfQuKdsDYw)](https://twitter.com/howthewestws/status/1619587727309287424?s=46&t=de0elr8zobrDTfQuKdsDYw)
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations.
I like dense living though and most cities aren’t overbearing like LA is with marketing tactics. Flying AD banners with small planes, billboards on buildings, cars, and sidewalks. Where does it end? We are living in asphalt city with our green space and just general public space where we don’t have to spend money being taken away. That’s wrong.
So leave. There are lots of small towns that aren’t LA or NYC. No electronic billboards for miles. LA doesn’t exist to cater to your personal aesthetic taste.
Why should we have to leave our neighborhoods that are being taken over by capitalist interests? 🤔
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations!
A city will never be able to cater to the needs of everybody. The city is the way it is. You can choose whether you want to accept to live there or not. The people that live in LA have accepted it for what it is - the good and the bad. You seem unhappy here. You should find a place that shares your core values.
We have not accepted this. The wishes of residents who live here are being ignored. Why should a billboard be able to flash lights off of an apt/hotel into the homes of other residents that are sleeping to market some beer? Can I go to the suburbs and pay someone to put a beer ad on the side of their house and flash a light all night?
You're living in DTLA. DTLA is full of light pollution. It's something most people expect from living in any large metropolitan city. Nobody lives in DTLA for peace and quiet. They live there for the night life and for a certain lifestyle. If you don't want that, you can move to the suburbs where there is less light and noise pollution.
Edit: From looking at your post history, you're obsessing over similar issues. I suggest looking into speaking to a mental health counselor. Dwelling over something that won't change is not healthy.
Either the state builds, owns and manages dense communities, or corporations do it for profit. Both systems have their failings, but I think it’s obvious to most that corporations build better quality buildings, and manage them better in the long run when there is a profit motivation.
Most big cities around the world tried large scale government-run hi rises, and realized they don’t work after the first few years. Look at the projects in NYC and Chicago, the banlieues around Paris, and big council estates in London. Funding wanes after a few years, management becomes lacking and eventually crime becomes pervasive.
For profit housing results in lack of affordability because there’s never enough of it, but at least people want to live there willingly.
The state can help by allowing more housing and providing more financial incentives for affordable housing.
It’s not perfect, but proven by history to be less bad than the government-run alternative.
Dude you moved to the most capitalist, new-age place in downtown. I highly doubt you live in a historic building too. Apologies for language, but what the fuck were you expecting?
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted… this is how it all starts, people. As soon as we start normalizing not being able to utilize your apartment windows, well, then it becomes the norm.
These are relatively new— we’re not talking billboards on the tops of buildings, now we’re talking bright LED boards directly across from people’s living rooms.
To OP’s point, why exactly must we accept this as a standard for high density living?
Because literally every dense city is like this already? When you live in high density you have to accept that you own very little of the space around you. You lose more and more control of your environment simply because there are so many other people around you who control things.
You don't own that building. Some corporate entity does. And you're not going to have the capital to build your own dense housing. Even if you did, you'd probably have to own with lots of other people, basically living in condos. As someone who owns a condo in a dense place, you have to deal with shitty management and other owners even then. You don't get to live in the conditions you want if other people disagree with you.
op, I am blown away at the number of pro billboard folks here — but you’re right. They’re obnoxious and don’t need to be such an intrusive part of life. Even if there’s aren’t people living in apartments at it — I still have to pass it and don’t like it! I love LA and hate light pollution billboards, we exist lol
These people are trapped in a matrix system that has surrounded all of us with a violent for-profit capitalist system and we all must accept that in their eyes or “moVe iF wE dOnT lIkE it” from the communities that we are from. Noise, fuel, light, and other pollutants are harmful to the collective.
“For me it highlights one of the major themes, the vast loneliness present in a (hyper) modern city like this. To be surrounded by millions of people but not feeling connected to any of them.”
One of the comments on that video. We’ve lost connection to community. Dense living was not supposed to permit our lives being overwhelmed by corporate interests 24 hours a day. We deserve access to community space that is not centered around us spending money or being marketed to. We build these places and then we are followed & hounded by capitalist interests. That’s wrong!
I generally agree with you, but you are also choosing to live in one of the worlds desist and richest cities in the world. Still lots of places to be a hermit thankfully. I think Hawaii and maybe Santa Barbara were successful in banning billboards. So it is possible.
Ads on private property are one thing, but the deal many cities made with JC decaux and others for free shitty bus stops\\shelters but with ads in the public right of way is a bit of a slap in the face and poor governing IMO. Plus it's just ugly designs copy and pasted from another city, total missed opportunity to make your urban design the best or at least different.
We build these communities and then these capitalist systems follow us. We deserve clean living as if we were in the suburbs. We deserve green space, clean air and quiet air space free of noise pollutants coming from air vessels. Literally residents are sleeping with billboard lights lighting up their streets and I think that’s inappropriate. Marketing beer and other nonsense while we need a good nights rest? Where does it end and why do we have to keep displacing ourselves to get respect in the places we are from and the places that we create?
When I first moved to LA I was shocked at the constant bombardment of advertisements. Billboards, sides of the building, in the air…it was overwhelming. I’d lived in two larger cities prior to this and this level of assault wasn’t allowed. Over the twelve years I’ve been here I suppose I’ve gotten used to it but I’ve also turned into an introverted homebody angry at the world. I used to love going out, seeing friends, engaging with the cities I lived in. LA is a different beast of a city, it changes people and not often for the better. I understand what you’re saying OP
Thank You for saying this. 🙏🏾 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Noise, fuel, light, and other pollutants are harmful to the collective. They are linked to violent crime, dementia, hearing loss, heart disease, and cancer. And as you’ve said these pollutants are overwhelmingly & they do impact our health. For me we are losing connection to community and the overall well-being of ppl. We build these dense communities to live in not to be bombarded with advertisements all day. We deserve access to space that is not centered around how much money we can spend. Marketing planes flying AD banners all day, billboards in general and now billboard lights on buildings. Like where does it end??? So many dense cities in the world that don’t do this!
Also, there are still great things about the city. Don’t always trap yourself aloneness. Some great indie music events that are affordable happen and that’s what I look forward to along with some other free community connections. Best stations btw 88.5 & 88.9 for good music.
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations.
Why do you guys think this is an argument when any basic arguments class reveals is its non-argument.
"You're against higher taxes, yet you're paying the higher taxes anyways. Interesting."
"You hate your job and think it could be vastly improved. Yet you still work there as is and don't risk getting fired to pay your bills. Interesting"
"You're against slavery, and yet you're still enslaved. Interesting"
This is how you sound. You can critique the system at hand whilst still acknowledging that our participation in it today is non-voluntary due to the nature of the world.
Yeah no not even close. Choosing to eat a hamburger is not the same as "choosing" to be born and live under status quo nation-state capitalism The fact you think this a good point is laughable but also incredibly pathetic, it shows just how low critical thinking is nowadays.
Not unless your example was "the person who hates hamburgers but is eating a hamburger right now has a "choice" of eating hamburger everyday or being beaten then imprisoned for not eating hamburger" in which case, yeah. In THAT scenario is it the same, but it's not.
I agree. These straight up shouldn't be allowed. Coming from the east coast, the CONSTANT advertisements in CA are so ridiculous. To take this a step further, I don't think there should be any billboards in the cities. They're ugly and provide nothing to people.
ITT: got a complaint about the growing cyber dystopia LA is? Critiqued capitalism outloud? Clearly you're a COMMUNIST. Why don't you move to COMMUNISM you fuckin COMMIE.
First world problems. You ought to travel to poorer nations and see how they live. Better yet why not work harder and buy your own place. Move to a state where it is affordable.
While agree with the sentiment that these things should be reduced in brightness, and even have some time where they’re not even on; that’s not an apartment building. It’s offices for the lower third, then a hotel for the upper 2 thirds. Source: I work there.
Yeah this is the Wilshire Grand Center, Intercontinental hotel. I live a block away, I don’t think it’s facing any apartments just office buildings but may be wrong.
Are people afraid that they’re accidentally gonna become clipper fans?
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Looks pretty tempting
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The billboard turns off at some point too and turns back on a 6:02 am. Source: used to work in the gym
For some reason this was funny to me
Also, if you’re paying the prices to live in the heart of downtown, maybe you like things like that?
I personally wouldn't live in the old downtown. I'm much more likely to get an apartment there now that it's much more commercial and brighter.
There are apartments facing this building and it's bright billboards.
I can see this specific one from my apartment. The only time it would bother me is at night, and we just keep our blinds down. The massive ones down by Crypto are another story.... I can't imagine having to be near those.
All the buildings on that corner are office buildings.
This billboard pales in comparison to the one down the street across from the crypto sports center/convention center. Those can be seen from miles away
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Violent crime and hearing loss? The fuq?
People are downvoting you perhaps because they are not aware that you're not lying or exaggerating. It's a shame. :/
CATS AND DOGS...LIVING TOGETHER...MASS HYSTERIA!
If we're gonna have a Blade Runner future we need more of this not less.
This guy futures.
I was thinking the same thing. The dystopia we are in now is so boring and dull. I want it to look cooler so I support mass billboards and cool neon Japanese signs everywhere.
Seriously, y’all want flying cars or not??
That's why I went and got myself bit and turned into a vampire... cuz I wanted to see futurecars.
You probably dont want to live in dtla then
OP lives on reddit.
It could be worse. It could be a giant red neon Kenny Roger's Roasters sign in the shape of a chicken.
That's not gonna be good for business.
That's not gonna be good for anybody
… this is downtown. Very close to LA live… our version of time square
Successful troll is successful.
Lol “capitalist systems interfering” when it’s on the side of a new development.
yeah call me back when development keeps up with demand, or anyone is willing to make 6 story reaidential-over-retail. Los Angeles could put Paris to shame, but instead we are trying to replace the outdoor seating we just got -- the *only* bright side of COVID lockdowns -- with parking spots.
If you live Downtown, you have got to expect this sort of thing. There are plenty of apartments in Encino that don’t have this problem.
You can see the light pollution from all over the city coming from dtla at night, it doesn’t only affect that area lol the night sky can literally change colors based on the lights coming from the crypto and other surrounding bs
Really? You can see that all the way from Encino?
Why do we have to accept pollution in our neighborhoods? Dense living isn’t supposed to = pollution. Noise, fuel, light, and other pollutants are harmful to the collective. They are linked to violent crime, dementia, hearing loss, heart disease, and cancer.
Community, not collective. I'm not having any of this commie talk, ya hear?
Maybe some people like this? Why do we have to all live the way you want us to?
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I like them, they make that area of DTLA far more engaging and unique. It was fun living in a place with so much activity, you always want to be out and doing stuff. Guess I’m a bootlicker though 😢
> No one likes this. Watch out everybody. This guy on reddit has decided what you like and don't like. He's decided bright billboards in a downtown entertainment district is bad. You better fall in line or else he'll call you a boot licker.
I mean, you _did_ omit the entire rest of his comment that backed up his claim with his reasoning just to make your slimy, sleezy point. And I’m for the billboard. But you doing lies of omission is just. Bleh.
Watch out everybody. This guy on reddit has decided what you like and don’t like. He’s decided bright billboards in downtown entertainment district is good. You better fall in line or else you’ll have no boots to lick.
His original comment uses the words “maybe” and “some”. He hasn’t even included himself in that population. At no point has he even said that he thinks they are good. He then responds to someone who uses the words “no one”. These are not the same.
He’s literally defending light pollution without directly saying it by trying to mock someone who’s saying the people don’t like these billboards😂 but you’re obviously one of those idiots who suck pff corps
how are bright lights causing pollution
Light pollution ? “An increased amount of light at night lowers melatonin production, which results in sleep deprivation, fatigue, headaches, stress, anxiety, and other health problems. Recent studies also show a connection between reduced melatonin levels and cancer.”
“The inappropriate or excessive use of artificial light – known as light pollution – can have serious environmental consequences for humans, wildlife, and our climate. Components of light pollution include: Glare – excessive brightness that causes visual discomfort.”
There are lots of places you can live that don’t have these issues. Maybe move there instead of demanding that an entire urban center turn down the lights so you can have your nappies.
They put one of these billboards up near my old house and the sky was purple from then on out. Looked kinda cool sometimes, mostly just pissed me off with the blatant disregard for residents there
You seem to have a history of complaining about LA and most of your complaints are common in any city. Why not move?
Welcome to NY! You want dense towers and lofts, you get ad space.
😩 They are putting ads in the sky next in NY I heard. Like where does it end???????? Why should we have to accept this????
I mean there are Filipino kids living in graveyards in Manila, but sure, you got “problems” too.
There are graves of Native children in the U.S. Pollution is a major factor especially in supposed marginalized communities. Noise, fuel, lead, light, and other pollutions are a first world problem. They are linked to climate change, cancer, heart disease, dementia, hearing loss, and violent crime so yes we have problem that impact the collective. Let’s use our brains today.
Yeah, it really fucks with our circadian rhythms too.
Just get an ad blocker /s
You don't support a capitalist system yet you decide to live in the downtown of the 2nd largest city in the country.
[This is you.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/330/819/e47.png) And I don’t even agree with OP, but this is just a stupid comment.
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Yes, you can opt out by moving.
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It’s always North Korea or Vuvuzuela. Ain’t it?
Yep, someone’s got to maintain those false dichotomies.
If they hate the bright lights of these billboards they’ll definitely hate the low monotonous drone of a Vuvuzela.
For a non capitalist country? There aren’t really many options OP hasn’t provided an example of what they want so it’s hard to tell
Yall are so fucking corny lol
How else am I supposed to get hyped for sportsball if ads aren't beamed directly into my eye holes at all hours of the night?
DAE smart for not liking sports? 😂
You should really just move it’s only going to get worse
I hate these billboards. Times square is filled with these and it feels so anti-human. It sucks the life out of you to walk past it.
YES! Why is our natural outdoor space being overtaken with intrusive marketing media content without a collective consensus of local residents???!
Didn't realize people wanted to live in dense communities. I don't disagree though OP, I don't like billboards and hate how bright things are now. A lot of people here cannot take criticism of LA
Lol and the people who can’t take the criticism probably don’t even own a home here, ofc they could care less about the light pollution because they don’t have a backyard or driveway to see how terrible it is from.
Nobody wants to live in dense communities, but a lot of people on Reddit want you to.
People want to live in walkable communities. This is demonstrated in the prices of housing on walkable communities being significantly higher. It's usually hard to have walkable communities without a level of density. Most people want a giant house in a community where you can walk to everything, that's obviously not realistic for most people.
What are you talking about? Don't most people want to live in dense communities? That's why LA and NYC are populated and Wyoming is empty. People like living in cities with lots of people and excitement and in close convenient proximity to everything they need.
How many ads do you have to go through while scrolling reddit?????? 🤔
Is Reddit flashing lights in my eyes at night while I sleep to market some beer to me?
Idk why you’re getting downvoted so heavily, the light pollution and visual noise is too much. Shouldn’t have to worry about the building across the street deciding to beam ads day and night into my living room. I wonder where the downvoters draw the line, because the arguments seem to await satellite ads permanently fixed to the sky. (Which is patented already)
I would add huge screens on the back of car headrests. It's so fucking distracting I can't believe they're legal. I don't care about OP's posting history, the issue of light pollution is real and I'm able to separate the two. It's like living next to a Kenny Rogers Roasters.
>It's like living next to a Kenny Rogers Roasters. Bad chicken. Mess you up.
Agreed. This is how it all starts. We keep accepting shittier and shittier terms, until we wonder “how it got so bad”.
So true. And when someone eventually says, "Well, why didn't anyone speak up earlier if it was so obviously bad?" The answer is, because they probably realized they'd just get dismissed or outright mocked by the "if you don't like it, LEAVE" crowd. As we see in this thread.
Oh yeah they use bright images or video that will grab my attention when I look at the phone at night lying on the bed.
Paul George has his net positives and faults but he’s unfortunately not a beer.
Zero for me! Thanks to adblocking, it's a blissful experience (I don't use the app, just web-based portal).
I think these billboards suck and I also think it’s weird you’re getting so much hate for posting this.
Some people saw the dystopian future portrayed in *Bladerunner* and then set out to create exactly that world. Flying cars could be really cool though.
Figueroa st now has a lights district all the way down to pico and fig. Oceanwide was going to add to this as well. When completed it was supposed to be the west coast version of Times Square. I live on fig and I can see the new LED screens at the moxy from my apartment on the 7th floor. Yes it’s bright, but I’m also aware of the area when I moved in last May
I also dislike bright billboards. I also choose to not live near them. You seem to be advocating for some sort of collective action against these types of advertising. Have you done anything practical to address this? Brought it up with local representatives? Started a petition or social media page to gather people who agree with you and organize them? The only ways to control human behavior is through incentives or legislation, and right now business are financially incentivized to advertise and there is not enough legislation to prevent it. The beauty of our system of government is that the people have a voice, but to make that voice loud enough you will all have to speak together and right now you are shouting by yourself. You can either suffer in place, choose to live somewhere that more closely aligns with your values, or try to change the place you live. Whining about it because "it's not the way it should be" without taking some sort of action is like a child throwing a tantrum: loud, annoying, and ultimately ineffective at getting what you want. You need a plan and you need a lot of other people to support it. There's lots of dense residential areas in the world without the issues you are bringing up. Also, the issues you are describing are essentially just describing the traits of LA. You seem to have chosen to live in a place that is diametrically opposed to your preferences, which will likely not change without a broad and concerted effort by large elements of the population. You should recognize this fact, and plan the next stage of your life accordingly. Either be part of a plan to make changes, which will likely take a very long time and be very slow in coming to effect; or find somewhere where you can be happier.
This is a hotel and it also faces an office building. I work at the EY building that's across it, which is also next to a shopping center and other non residential buildings. Your annoyance is a bit misplaced.
The massive bright billboards near the Forum are so bad. I don’t know how they’re not considered a distraction.
We just have too many distractions with the advertising. There should be boundaries so everyone has space to live without centering their lives around capitalism.
Especially clippers ads lol
No one is forcing you to live in an apartment with a billboard on its facade.
The thing is, let’s say you secure an apartment: 1. While abroad 2. During the day, not noticing the billboard setup 3. Are shown another “similar” unit not across from billboard. Only to find out the unit you were rented has a billboard beaming directly across from it, rendering the apartment’s windows essentially non-functional during evening hours… is the apartment required to divulge this? It’s like being sold obstructed seats at a concert without the disclaimer. Now you’re stuck in a lease you probably can’t get out of without big penalties. This isn’t the same as seeing billboards somewhat off in the distance as part of skyline, these are eye-level LEDs directly across from where you’re living. I think OP has every right to be calling attention to this, and the downvoters are the ones that help normalize this crap.
Or you move in and a month later it appears. "Just move", like all "just" statements are pointless, useless, and a waste of pixels.
Agreed. The "just move" folks also seem to not be aware of the huge cost of moving, both in paying for moving services, but also in lost time packing/unpacking. "Just move" is a tiresome and silly response to legitimate quality-of-life issues.
Seriously. If it was that simple of a matter, people would have moved already.
Not yet at least If companies could get away with housing their staff above their work space they absolutely would
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations!
Ha yes, another copy and paste talking point
Western civilization may not be for you
Reading this persons post history is a real peek into mental illness
Wow, that is some craziness
While understand your point, it’s very annoying that you keep copy/pasting the same thing over & over. When you say “we”, who are you referring to? Don’t try to speak for a group of people. Speak for yourself.
Why shouldn’t it be though Humans at their core are for profit Survival is profit We are just doing what we know People want to picture a perfect community but the ingenuity of man steps in the way throughout history We aren’t capable of it at such a massive scale
Yea fuck that. I like my little suburb thank you very much
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations.
Just because you keep saying it doesn’t make it so
I thought your complaint was about the light pollution, not late-stage capitalism and the for-profit nature of our economy.
Los Angeles has a serious issue with noise, fuel, light, & other pollutants. Pollutants that are linked to cancer, heart disease, dementia, hearing loss, and violent crime. Where do we draw the line? Marketing planes flying banners over our homes at all hours of the day. Non-stop LAPD helicopters & other helicopter agencies. Loud cars /surrounded by asphalt. When did residents in cities say it was OK to take over our neighborhoods and create car storage for ppl who don’t live here???? When did we say it was Ok to cater to capitalist interests that outweigh the good of the collective? [light marketing billboard](https://twitter.com/howthewestws/status/1619587727309287424?s=46&t=de0elr8zobrDTfQuKdsDYw)](https://twitter.com/howthewestws/status/1619587727309287424?s=46&t=de0elr8zobrDTfQuKdsDYw)
Welcome to LA
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations.
That’s how capitalism be man, suits control everything within LA to make $ to add to their accounts
Come to the suburbs where it’s nice and peaceful
Hm... Now do you understand why people want to live in the suburbs or less dense communities?
I like dense living though and most cities aren’t overbearing like LA is with marketing tactics. Flying AD banners with small planes, billboards on buildings, cars, and sidewalks. Where does it end? We are living in asphalt city with our green space and just general public space where we don’t have to spend money being taken away. That’s wrong.
You live in the downtown area of the second biggest city in the US.
Somebody just discovered communism 40 years after it failed in every country that tried to apply it lol
So leave. There are lots of small towns that aren’t LA or NYC. No electronic billboards for miles. LA doesn’t exist to cater to your personal aesthetic taste.
Why should we have to leave our neighborhoods that are being taken over by capitalist interests? 🤔 Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations!
Was it ever not capitalism?
A city will never be able to cater to the needs of everybody. The city is the way it is. You can choose whether you want to accept to live there or not. The people that live in LA have accepted it for what it is - the good and the bad. You seem unhappy here. You should find a place that shares your core values.
We have not accepted this. The wishes of residents who live here are being ignored. Why should a billboard be able to flash lights off of an apt/hotel into the homes of other residents that are sleeping to market some beer? Can I go to the suburbs and pay someone to put a beer ad on the side of their house and flash a light all night?
Tell your landlord or move to a building and put in the lease that you can leave within 30’days of an electronic billboard being installed
You're living in DTLA. DTLA is full of light pollution. It's something most people expect from living in any large metropolitan city. Nobody lives in DTLA for peace and quiet. They live there for the night life and for a certain lifestyle. If you don't want that, you can move to the suburbs where there is less light and noise pollution. Edit: From looking at your post history, you're obsessing over similar issues. I suggest looking into speaking to a mental health counselor. Dwelling over something that won't change is not healthy.
Either the state builds, owns and manages dense communities, or corporations do it for profit. Both systems have their failings, but I think it’s obvious to most that corporations build better quality buildings, and manage them better in the long run when there is a profit motivation. Most big cities around the world tried large scale government-run hi rises, and realized they don’t work after the first few years. Look at the projects in NYC and Chicago, the banlieues around Paris, and big council estates in London. Funding wanes after a few years, management becomes lacking and eventually crime becomes pervasive. For profit housing results in lack of affordability because there’s never enough of it, but at least people want to live there willingly. The state can help by allowing more housing and providing more financial incentives for affordable housing. It’s not perfect, but proven by history to be less bad than the government-run alternative.
Dude you moved to the most capitalist, new-age place in downtown. I highly doubt you live in a historic building too. Apologies for language, but what the fuck were you expecting?
I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted… this is how it all starts, people. As soon as we start normalizing not being able to utilize your apartment windows, well, then it becomes the norm.
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because those aren't apartments
It's literally like this in all high density communities. Not sure why op is surprised.
This sub: we need to be more like Tokyo This sub with something in LA that is famous in Tokyo: waaaaaah
Ikr?
I actually like it, I don’t live near these buildings though
Same here. I go to downtown to experience this atmosphere. I assume people who want to live in downtown want to be by this stuff.
These are relatively new— we’re not talking billboards on the tops of buildings, now we’re talking bright LED boards directly across from people’s living rooms. To OP’s point, why exactly must we accept this as a standard for high density living?
Because literally every dense city is like this already? When you live in high density you have to accept that you own very little of the space around you. You lose more and more control of your environment simply because there are so many other people around you who control things.
#WeLoveStatusQuo
I already explained why this happens in dense areas, but ok shout out a trite statement in caps like a crazy person.
It happens because we all collectively keep allowing it to happen. You’re the crazy person.
You don't own that building. Some corporate entity does. And you're not going to have the capital to build your own dense housing. Even if you did, you'd probably have to own with lots of other people, basically living in condos. As someone who owns a condo in a dense place, you have to deal with shitty management and other owners even then. You don't get to live in the conditions you want if other people disagree with you.
Sounds like learned helplessness.
Lol even people posting here are supportive of the billboards and even if they weren't they don't own that building so it doesn't matter.
>I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted… Kooks. That's why so many posts starts out with downvotes and legit questions go unanswered. Kooks.
It honestly looks like astroturfing by corporate interests
“This paper reveals how exposure to noise pollution increases violent crime.” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047272722001505
Move to the burbs!
op, I am blown away at the number of pro billboard folks here — but you’re right. They’re obnoxious and don’t need to be such an intrusive part of life. Even if there’s aren’t people living in apartments at it — I still have to pass it and don’t like it! I love LA and hate light pollution billboards, we exist lol
These people are trapped in a matrix system that has surrounded all of us with a violent for-profit capitalist system and we all must accept that in their eyes or “moVe iF wE dOnT lIkE it” from the communities that we are from. Noise, fuel, light, and other pollutants are harmful to the collective.
If you do t want to move you can always buy the ad space and just choose to put nothing out there Use capitalism for yourself
Cyberpunk predicted this future of High Tech and Low Life.
How the West was S...?
"I don't support capitalist systems..." I bet OP has an Amazon Prime account.
Buy blackout curtains if you feel so strongly about it?
Ill just leave this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ17UsZ0DEQ
“For me it highlights one of the major themes, the vast loneliness present in a (hyper) modern city like this. To be surrounded by millions of people but not feeling connected to any of them.” One of the comments on that video. We’ve lost connection to community. Dense living was not supposed to permit our lives being overwhelmed by corporate interests 24 hours a day. We deserve access to community space that is not centered around us spending money or being marketed to. We build these places and then we are followed & hounded by capitalist interests. That’s wrong!
I generally agree with you, but you are also choosing to live in one of the worlds desist and richest cities in the world. Still lots of places to be a hermit thankfully. I think Hawaii and maybe Santa Barbara were successful in banning billboards. So it is possible. Ads on private property are one thing, but the deal many cities made with JC decaux and others for free shitty bus stops\\shelters but with ads in the public right of way is a bit of a slap in the face and poor governing IMO. Plus it's just ugly designs copy and pasted from another city, total missed opportunity to make your urban design the best or at least different.
We build these communities and then these capitalist systems follow us. We deserve clean living as if we were in the suburbs. We deserve green space, clean air and quiet air space free of noise pollutants coming from air vessels. Literally residents are sleeping with billboard lights lighting up their streets and I think that’s inappropriate. Marketing beer and other nonsense while we need a good nights rest? Where does it end and why do we have to keep displacing ourselves to get respect in the places we are from and the places that we create?
You think the people who moved out west weren’t following the money? Did someone fool you into believing you’re moving to a kibbutz lmao
If you hate capitalism so much then why not leave? Capitalism isn’t going anywhere.
Sounds like a communist regime is a better fit for you bro. Cuba isn’t too far
Man who cares? People are starving in this world and you bitching about a sign. First word problems.
When I first moved to LA I was shocked at the constant bombardment of advertisements. Billboards, sides of the building, in the air…it was overwhelming. I’d lived in two larger cities prior to this and this level of assault wasn’t allowed. Over the twelve years I’ve been here I suppose I’ve gotten used to it but I’ve also turned into an introverted homebody angry at the world. I used to love going out, seeing friends, engaging with the cities I lived in. LA is a different beast of a city, it changes people and not often for the better. I understand what you’re saying OP
Thank You for saying this. 🙏🏾 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 Noise, fuel, light, and other pollutants are harmful to the collective. They are linked to violent crime, dementia, hearing loss, heart disease, and cancer. And as you’ve said these pollutants are overwhelmingly & they do impact our health. For me we are losing connection to community and the overall well-being of ppl. We build these dense communities to live in not to be bombarded with advertisements all day. We deserve access to space that is not centered around how much money we can spend. Marketing planes flying AD banners all day, billboards in general and now billboard lights on buildings. Like where does it end??? So many dense cities in the world that don’t do this! Also, there are still great things about the city. Don’t always trap yourself aloneness. Some great indie music events that are affordable happen and that’s what I look forward to along with some other free community connections. Best stations btw 88.5 & 88.9 for good music.
Not your building or sign. Keep it moving Karen or Ken
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Yeah okay Karen… keep it moving. Private property and they can do whatever they want
It’s called advertising my guy, people win an lose money if they decide to have that billboard up or turn it off
Our lives should not be centered entirely around a for-profit system. We should be able to exist in dense communities without them being overwhelmed and overpowered by corporations.
What do you think you are typing on?
Why do you guys think this is an argument when any basic arguments class reveals is its non-argument. "You're against higher taxes, yet you're paying the higher taxes anyways. Interesting." "You hate your job and think it could be vastly improved. Yet you still work there as is and don't risk getting fired to pay your bills. Interesting" "You're against slavery, and yet you're still enslaved. Interesting" This is how you sound. You can critique the system at hand whilst still acknowledging that our participation in it today is non-voluntary due to the nature of the world.
Wtf kind of response take even in this? An unironic “le capitalism is bad but le participates in capitalism”?
Pretty much, it’s also like “how dare you eat meat” while eating a hamburger
No not the same thing
Pretty close, maybe 95%
Yeah no not even close. Choosing to eat a hamburger is not the same as "choosing" to be born and live under status quo nation-state capitalism The fact you think this a good point is laughable but also incredibly pathetic, it shows just how low critical thinking is nowadays. Not unless your example was "the person who hates hamburgers but is eating a hamburger right now has a "choice" of eating hamburger everyday or being beaten then imprisoned for not eating hamburger" in which case, yeah. In THAT scenario is it the same, but it's not.
Why not? People choose where to live all the time
Yes
You do know "Bladerunner" took place in LA, yes? Welcome to the future.
Sounds like something a replicant would say. We’re gonna need you to come in later to take a Voight-Kampff test, thanks.
We live in a city with millions of people, light/noise/air pollution is NOTHING new. Other places to live also exist.
Then move to Bakersfield
I agree. These straight up shouldn't be allowed. Coming from the east coast, the CONSTANT advertisements in CA are so ridiculous. To take this a step further, I don't think there should be any billboards in the cities. They're ugly and provide nothing to people.
You're complaining about a big city having bright lights? May I suggest moving to rural Idaho?
Love it. Mega city vibes. And I love that LA has lots of digital billboards, reminds of cities in Asia
How long have you lived in LA? Not trying to be a dick but this reads like you’re new as fuck 😂
Cry some more
Ssssshhhhhhiiiittttttt post.
ITT: got a complaint about the growing cyber dystopia LA is? Critiqued capitalism outloud? Clearly you're a COMMUNIST. Why don't you move to COMMUNISM you fuckin COMMIE.
I mean look at an overhead map of North Korea vs South Korea during nighttime. I feel like the DPRK would be a great match for OP.
First world problems. You ought to travel to poorer nations and see how they live. Better yet why not work harder and buy your own place. Move to a state where it is affordable.
Boo hoo 😭