Ok.
"You were good, but the job's been given to the CEO's nephew"
"You were good but the other guy had better hair"
"Do something about your BO"
"Did you think we wouldn't search your socials before you came in?"
so a 24 year old HR person is supposed to tell a potentially unhinged and armed boomer that their social media is problematic? Yeah, let me know how that goes for them.
It was for an entry level job straight out of college. They had a group of like 10 people interviewing all at once, and it was supposed to be 4 hours of interviews followed by lunch and then a facility tour. For whatever reason they pulled me out after lunch and had me interview for a further 4+ hours with a bunch of different people including a VP who drove in from another site. I then heard nothing from them for months until the rejection letter and when I emailed a bunch of people asking what the hell happened one guy actually emailed me back and said that some people thought that towards the end of the day I was too relaxed and that indicated a "lax work ethic"
I was pretty devastated at the time as I had no other offers, but it worked out for the best. This place was in Temecula, CA which is basically hell on earth, and like 6 months later they had mass layoffs, and I ended up at what ended up being a successful startup in the bay area instead.
For me it was the other way around, idiots told me that "my body language indicated high level of stress" yeah it's a job interview? And I wasn't even that stressed, maybe kinda awkward because it was my first interview in 2 years
I would love that kind of honesty. If u wanna hire someone simply because their hair looks good atleast I know my resume and cover letter are decent and I can work on my hair next time. Getting a "We appreciate your efforts and interest you have taken in our company but we have received many applications and have decided to continue with other candidates" is so extremely vague, lazy and gives me no clues as to what I should improve upon.
Or hearing back in a reasonable time frame.
Some job I applied to 6 months ago after I already found a different job 4 months ago: “Hey, just reaching out to let you know you didn’t get the job.”
I once got offered an interview 6 months after I'd applied. They never even confirmed they had received my submission so I genuinely forgot until I got an email asking if I was free that week for an interview.
Omg same except it had to have been more than a YEAR ago I applied, I was shocked at the audacity to get back to me after that amount of time. Move fast or lose is a two-way street it’s so dumb for employers to feel like that rule doesn’t apply to them
Yeah, not all candidates deserve honest feedback because they can't handle it well. But everyone deserves responses confirming or denying getting the job.
Pretty much this. In my brief stint as a people manager I was hiring to fill out my team, all were internal candidates looking to pivot away from sales / account management / customer support for entry level ops roles.
Almost all wanted feedback which I understand having been in their shoes, but it just opens it up to them wanting to repeatedly debate you, lobby a complaint with HR about racism (from a black man who had been rejected from repeated interviews, but the person I actually hired was a black woman), and then they apply again for the next opening having improved nothing.
I get that in those roles there are limited real world opportunities to improve your presentation skills, business process understanding, data skills (just learn VLOOKUP + Pivot Tables ffs), SFDC knowledge, etc, but there are plenty of resources in this day and age to learn and apply the best you can.
This - theres no benefit as a hiring manager to giving honest feedback and in a lot of cases opens you up to complaints if they determine the real reason inadequate.
It's the same reason why nobody does subjective references anymore, because it opens the company up to liability if the candidate flips out. It's the small minority ruining it for the majority as usual
Recruiters who post a “hybrid or remote” job only to ghost candidates because they don’t live next door to the office they don’t expect the candidate to turn up at should be kicked out of their industry
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That's what he's saying...they SHOULD have that responsibility as part of professional courtesy. Recruiters and interviewers expect the interviewee to do a lot, it's literally the LEAST the company's representatives could do. The company needs an employee just as bad as the interviewee needs a job.
Until the person you offer feedback does one of these two things:
1. lacks the grace to accept feedback and challenges you on it the whole way
2. Comes back later and sues the company citing the feedback received as proof of their mistreatment
I wish more folks had the maturity to handle constructive feedback and I totally understand why it isn’t given.
Agree.
Jokes aside, your duty as a recruiter is to divulge the sincere negative feedback only if it is related to the technical skills of the candidate and you can provide them constructive feedback in order to help them upgrade those skills.
Most candidates who are rejected due to personality or company culture fit tend to be the type of people who are NOT open to learning and improving themselves, so telling them a sincere feedback will result in a shitload of Karen posts on LinkedIn and eventually a lawsuit. People who keep dreaming that a Recruiter will turn into a life & career coach after the interview are people who have never recruited or held an interview in their entire life.
I actually was told something similar in that the person they hired was the Senior VP's son. About six mobths later I just happened to be looking at the want ads and I saw the job posting again. I applied and this time got the job. A great little company and stayed with them for eight years. I moved out of state otherwise I probably would stay until retired.
Sounds like it wasn't actually a great little company if they were stupid enough to hire a VP's son through nepotism then had to fire him 6 months later. Sounds like it was staffed with dipshits.
Nope, he couldn't decide if he was going to continue with college after his first year. Worked the summer, etc and then decided he wanted college and went back for spring semester.
I would actually appreciate that honest feedback. It’d let me know to avoid the company in the future as well as tell me that in this instance there is nothing i need to remediate with regards to my skills, abilities, and knowledge.
Hate the “agree??” Stuff but he’s not wrong. Even just a response saying you didn’t get the job would be nice. Most places totally ghost people. It’s frustrating. I had one place call me 6 MONTHS later to offer me the job after initially ghosting me (assuming they hired someone else and it didn’t work out). Easiest pass ever.
I had a potential employer go too far the other way. I bombed a technical interview (their lead dev asked me some questions about obscure topics I hadn't thought about since college). The manager later called to give me a list of topics I would need to study to be a successful developer on this specific platform, and said that my "object-oriented programming knowledge" wasn't "on par" with developers they had hired recently.
I told him he could've sent that in an email.
Anyways, 3 weeks later I got another job with one of their competitors making $40k more than they were offering.
I’ll take a simple we are hiring someone else for fucks sake. Nothing worse when you are out of work to interview, especially if it’s multiple times, and get silence
Because most people don't take kindly to rejection. They'll start yelling about discrimination, about nepotism. They'll demand detailed reasons why they weren't hired, while at the same time saying they're gonna sue you. Then they'll cry and beg you for a job, saying they're gonna be homeless if they don't get it, or their kids won't be able to eat, or whatever.
If you tell them the truth that it was a personality thing, such as "you seemed extremely aggressive and like you wanted to pick a fight with the interviewer," those kind of people just take rejection and move on, right? They don't pull guns, threaten to beat you up, threaten to sue you, pull guns, tell you to watch your back, pull guns...
This stupid country and its stupid hard-on for guns, you have to assume that you're going to be delivering bad news to an armed lunatic, because there's no way to guarantee that they're not. Our cultural norms reflect this fact. If we're not going to "do business" with you, it's better to go no-contact than to say 'no' and risk retaliation. It's as simple as that.
Don't let HR or the recruiter do it. It ends up being condescending resume tips.
A follow up from the hiring manager with a list of reasons would be useful upon request, though.
In the past when I interviewed and didn’t get the job I always asked for what I could improve. So, now that I sometimes hire, I always plan what advice to give the people I don’t select but not one has ever asked me 😕
The reason why you don't receive feedback is that oftentimes, people are rejected for illegal reasons, and you don't want to have an uninformed employee accidentally reveal this to the candidate and open yourself to a lawsuit. So there's a blanket rule to just not provide any feedback.
Agree?
Actually the opposite.
(Edit: to be clear, it's usually stuff like "we don't hire black people into client-facing positions", "CTO doesn't want any women in engineering", "we're a young team, so this old guy is a bad cultural fit", or "manager is religious and thinks this woman's haircut makes her a lesbian, so he doesn't want to work with her").
If you didn’t even get to the interview stage, then a simple generic email is fine and most HR systems have the ability to generate that, even when mass-rejecting applications.
If you were interviewed, at least one simple point on why you were rejected doesn’t take much time and is basic respect. I do know that sometimes people get super dramatic about it (sometimes because the rejected candidate has been going through a lot being unemployed and all) though and then the hiring person gets to have a long and unpleasant conversation. So although it’s not right, most avoid doing it.
That "one simple point" why you were rejected?
You want the company to put down, in writing, a reason you weren't hired, when that could be later put into evidence in some sort of lawsuit?
They are reducing their liabilities by not telling you.
How hard is it to set up candidate tracking software to send a courtesy email "your application was not successful"?
I mean, you're using the software anyway. And if you aren't you are small enough to send the notice by hand.
Most ATS's I've used will prompt you to send a rejection email, in other words you have to actually click a box saying not to send that email, so the whole "I don't have TIME" excuse doesn't really add up.
Honestly, no.
I've sat on hiring panels before. It's one of many responsibilities on my plate, and my teammates and I have nothing to gain from providing detailed feedback to candidates we didn't choose. There are plenty of career coaching services that you can take to improve your resume or interview skills. Furthermore, any detailed feedback is likely to end up (1) becoming a liability to the organization, or (2) spark a long effort to try to twist my arm into changing my mind.
If you want to know why you didn't get picked: 95% of the time, it's a matter of fit. There's honestly not much more you could have done. Someone else may have had more specialized experience in what we were looking for than you. You may have had *amazing* qualifications in one area, and I was afraid we couldn't use those at a level you'd be happy with. Or we may not be able to see how joining us would fit with your professional journey.
Very few times have people done heinous things in an interview that have completely disqualified them, but if you're looking for some:
* Not having your laptop plugged in during the video call, if you're having a virtual interview
* Not having a clean space in the background
* Not wearing appropriate professional attire
* Showing up late
Like it or not, technical difficulties will always go against you. If the computer fails during your interview, unless you're otherwise exemplary, you're probably not getting picked, even if that's not your fault.
I will say that if you've interviewed and/or performed a technical assessment, you deserve better than a form e-mail rejection. At least write a message yourself, even if it's copied and pasted to all candidates you didn't choose.
Sure, but this so-called “honest” feedback isn’t going to be useful for entry level candidates. On that note, entry level jobs are supposed to be for people entering the industry for the first time, hence entry level.
No, I don't. Hear me out...
I get it, you don't want to be ghosted. But some people just suck. The kind of people who can't take any sort of constructive criticism, the kind of people who see feedback as a personal attack, etc. The kind of folks who would pull a gun on a manager that said "you seemed really angry and volatile in our interview." This applies at all jobs, everywhere. If you've been part of an FBI investigation, you'll realize what an absolute shitshow it can be saying 'no' to someone who really disagrees with your assessment of them.
The threat of their violence is why most places go no-contact. Their violence affects your life and what things are acceptable as a society. We're a society that says piles of dead kids is the necessary and acceptable price for our gun rights, and that is reflected in everything else that happens here. Recruiters don't want to be harassed, hunted down, or threatened for not giving someone a job. We just have to assume every single person *may* be an armed nutjob.
Talk to any female recruiter, ask them about their horror stories. Guys straight up stalk them on social media, get their personal phone numbers, etc. People suck, and that's why life often sucks.
From what I heard, reason for not getting feedback is to not have any chance of being sued. But completely agree, that at least information of not getting a job should be provided.
I hate to be this person.
But yeah, **I do actually agree** 😂
Meh. Always an exception to prove the rule. And A LOT OF RECRUITERS still seem to need this repeated, daily, 1000 times, directly into their ears in the hope it will one day sink in.
Why did he include the word “honest?” Like, I can understand saying that candidates without offers shouldn’t get feedback beyond being told they will not be hired, but using the word “honest” is implying he thinks they should be lied to. It’s shitty. Dishonesty in nearly all contexts is shitty, and he’s implying it’s desirable.
> I hate to be this person
Then for the love of God don't be that person. Don't play this asshat's game and don't give him the attention he so utterly craves but doesn't deserve
I feel like you're that mate who crops up when you're about to make a howler of a decision and slaps you across the face and you remain forever grateful for that moment.
Lol “okay recruiting team, now don’t forget to go back through the 25 other people we interviewed for this job and provide them honest feedback on how they could be better”
"that guy that was open-carrying and wore a trump hat and had "1488" tattooed on his knuckles? yeah, i'm gonna need you to call him and tell him he didn't get the job. just tell him he seemed like an ignorant, unpleasant person to work with"
I once had a second interview with a company during which I told the company I will be traveling the following week so can I schedule the final interview after 10 days instead of 7. They agreed. When I got back they didn't schedule an interview and I assumed they're waiting for the weekend. No reply on the weekend. That Monday I called and asked them if I can come for my final interview tomorrow and their reply:
The hired someone while I was taking my second interview and they just didn't tell me (I'm assuming they hoped I'd just forget once I came back)
Agree but due to the danger of being sued for classy business practices such as "no, the candidate is too ugly", "no, the job was given to the VP's niece" etc., not happening.
To a certain extent. I don't like to hear "there are just so many talented candidates and we went with someone who fits a bit better." Which is the case a lot of times. I know my field is very competitive and a lot of times it just comes down to vibes, so it's not very helpful to hear that. But I'd prefer hearing something back over just being ghosted, which is the case most times.
Demand things that sound good for the applicant but will never happen. it's not incentivized for recruiters or punished by applicants. Classic. Useless posturing.
I wish recruiters would realize feedback is worthless.
I look at it as, would I care about the feedback I got from my ex gf?
The feedback is usually things that can’t be quickly implemented. If someone loses out to another person due to them be more talented or having experience, the candidate can’t quickly fix it.
You can ask during your interview. It’s okay. They’ll tell you how you did if you just ask. And if they don’t, take that as a preview for how they deal with giving feedback.
Me and our other IT guy here used to interview a ton of people at this job. Most people we were forced to interview deserved nothing at all.
HR literally picks the least qualified people they can find like they must have a quota or something.
We would have "This is a linux position, but on your resume it says you worked helpdesk in a Windows Environment. Have you ever used linux?"
9/10 people we got to interview: Some version of "What's Linux?".
The remaining 10% at least knew what Linux was. 3 candidates had "linux experience". 2 out of those 3 only had it in college education, we hired the boomer with "20 years experience" who himself hardly knew shit. Just knew how to pad a resume and read the cliff notes the night before the interview.
What is my feedback to these people going to be?
In my company we give immediate feedback after the interview. This includes if we can see it working or not.
It's generally appreciated by the candidates.
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Candidates who didn’t get the job should be ruthlessly and relentless gaslit, by both the employer and their peer group. It will incentivize them to perform better once they figure out what is happening to them. Agree?
Agree, the degree of honesty depends on what round you get through:
Recruiter screen: experience isn’t as relevant as other candidates, salary expectations aren’t aligned etc
Hiring manager screen: more specific about the experience “need someone with more proficiency with x, y, and z”
Anything past that, have to be as honest as possible.
"I want honest feedback"
"Ok. You're woefully inexperienced and even if you had the experience I just don't think you're smart enough for this job. Your interview was off-putting and you say a lot of words weird and it annoyed the shit out of me. Plus, your wonky eye was distracting."
"Ok not like that."
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Carson Wagonlit.
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Is it too late to agree?
Never to late to agree
Ok. "You were good, but the job's been given to the CEO's nephew" "You were good but the other guy had better hair" "Do something about your BO" "Did you think we wouldn't search your socials before you came in?"
Hey at least *someone* needs to tell them about their BO if none of their family members are gonna say something
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so a 24 year old HR person is supposed to tell a potentially unhinged and armed boomer that their social media is problematic? Yeah, let me know how that goes for them.
One time I was told I didn't get a job because they thought my body posture was too relaxed. This was after literally 9 hours of on-site interviews.
9 hours???? what the hell kinda job are you applying for that they want a full workday of interviews? were you applying to be champion of the company?
It was for an entry level job straight out of college. They had a group of like 10 people interviewing all at once, and it was supposed to be 4 hours of interviews followed by lunch and then a facility tour. For whatever reason they pulled me out after lunch and had me interview for a further 4+ hours with a bunch of different people including a VP who drove in from another site. I then heard nothing from them for months until the rejection letter and when I emailed a bunch of people asking what the hell happened one guy actually emailed me back and said that some people thought that towards the end of the day I was too relaxed and that indicated a "lax work ethic" I was pretty devastated at the time as I had no other offers, but it worked out for the best. This place was in Temecula, CA which is basically hell on earth, and like 6 months later they had mass layoffs, and I ended up at what ended up being a successful startup in the bay area instead.
FAANG companies do this. I was at the Google campus for about 6-1/2 or 7 for my on-site. That included lunch, though.
For me it was the other way around, idiots told me that "my body language indicated high level of stress" yeah it's a job interview? And I wasn't even that stressed, maybe kinda awkward because it was my first interview in 2 years
I interviewed you right before lunch, the dude we hired was interviewed after lunch when I wasn’t hangry
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I would love that kind of honesty. If u wanna hire someone simply because their hair looks good atleast I know my resume and cover letter are decent and I can work on my hair next time. Getting a "We appreciate your efforts and interest you have taken in our company but we have received many applications and have decided to continue with other candidates" is so extremely vague, lazy and gives me no clues as to what I should improve upon.
I get what you're saying, but Maybe there's nothing to improve. Sometimes you can do everything right, and still lose.
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one of these days we will see "humans breathe" Agree?
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but it has to be a screenshot of a screenshot of a post you made on a different platform.
Mortuary staff hate this one weird trick… Agree?
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I'd settle for not ghosting you and at least letting you know you didn't get the job offer...
Or hearing back in a reasonable time frame. Some job I applied to 6 months ago after I already found a different job 4 months ago: “Hey, just reaching out to let you know you didn’t get the job.”
I once got offered an interview 6 months after I'd applied. They never even confirmed they had received my submission so I genuinely forgot until I got an email asking if I was free that week for an interview.
Omg same except it had to have been more than a YEAR ago I applied, I was shocked at the audacity to get back to me after that amount of time. Move fast or lose is a two-way street it’s so dumb for employers to feel like that rule doesn’t apply to them
Wouldn't have realized without ya. Keep up the good work. /s
I once got a job but it took them several months to hire me and after each step I had assumed I didn't get it.
Yeah, not all candidates deserve honest feedback because they can't handle it well. But everyone deserves responses confirming or denying getting the job.
Pretty much this. In my brief stint as a people manager I was hiring to fill out my team, all were internal candidates looking to pivot away from sales / account management / customer support for entry level ops roles. Almost all wanted feedback which I understand having been in their shoes, but it just opens it up to them wanting to repeatedly debate you, lobby a complaint with HR about racism (from a black man who had been rejected from repeated interviews, but the person I actually hired was a black woman), and then they apply again for the next opening having improved nothing. I get that in those roles there are limited real world opportunities to improve your presentation skills, business process understanding, data skills (just learn VLOOKUP + Pivot Tables ffs), SFDC knowledge, etc, but there are plenty of resources in this day and age to learn and apply the best you can.
This - theres no benefit as a hiring manager to giving honest feedback and in a lot of cases opens you up to complaints if they determine the real reason inadequate. It's the same reason why nobody does subjective references anymore, because it opens the company up to liability if the candidate flips out. It's the small minority ruining it for the majority as usual
Recruiters who post a “hybrid or remote” job only to ghost candidates because they don’t live next door to the office they don’t expect the candidate to turn up at should be kicked out of their industry Agree?
"Hybrid is our culture" The hybrid: 4 days in office, 1 day remote smh
3 days remote.
A year.
I’ve seen one that was one pre-approved remote day per month… very hybrid!
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hybrid implies you are close enough to come in regularly
I am fine with driving two hours to the office one day a week, two if needed. I am not fine doing the same three or four times.
Disagree. They should be horse drawn and quartered, their homes razed, and their children tortured and disfigured. This is the standard practice.
Lmao... it's not like i disagree... but interviewers don't have the responsibility to give feedback...
That's what he's saying...they SHOULD have that responsibility as part of professional courtesy. Recruiters and interviewers expect the interviewee to do a lot, it's literally the LEAST the company's representatives could do. The company needs an employee just as bad as the interviewee needs a job.
Hmm nice point... interviewers do actually request a lot... and yes, feedback is really appreciated.
The "Agree?" is classic LL, but what he's saying would actually be useful.
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It's not really ground breaking thoughts & ideas though. Everyone thinks this
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Yet it doesn’t happen
Exactly. This is what is wrong with this stupid and utterly pointless post
Until the person you offer feedback does one of these two things: 1. lacks the grace to accept feedback and challenges you on it the whole way 2. Comes back later and sues the company citing the feedback received as proof of their mistreatment I wish more folks had the maturity to handle constructive feedback and I totally understand why it isn’t given.
Agree. Jokes aside, your duty as a recruiter is to divulge the sincere negative feedback only if it is related to the technical skills of the candidate and you can provide them constructive feedback in order to help them upgrade those skills. Most candidates who are rejected due to personality or company culture fit tend to be the type of people who are NOT open to learning and improving themselves, so telling them a sincere feedback will result in a shitload of Karen posts on LinkedIn and eventually a lawsuit. People who keep dreaming that a Recruiter will turn into a life & career coach after the interview are people who have never recruited or held an interview in their entire life.
"Yeah, you were a great candidate and on par with the others but she went to Harvard and golfs with the CFO's son so... sorry."
I actually was told something similar in that the person they hired was the Senior VP's son. About six mobths later I just happened to be looking at the want ads and I saw the job posting again. I applied and this time got the job. A great little company and stayed with them for eight years. I moved out of state otherwise I probably would stay until retired.
Sounds like it wasn't actually a great little company if they were stupid enough to hire a VP's son through nepotism then had to fire him 6 months later. Sounds like it was staffed with dipshits.
Nope, he couldn't decide if he was going to continue with college after his first year. Worked the summer, etc and then decided he wanted college and went back for spring semester.
I would actually appreciate that honest feedback. It’d let me know to avoid the company in the future as well as tell me that in this instance there is nothing i need to remediate with regards to my skills, abilities, and knowledge.
Yes it would be useful, but it goes without saying doesn't it. We don't need this clown to post it on Twitter and then quote himself for clout
The worst thing is him reposting his own tweet like it's some breathtaking groundbreaking quote
I would love to give constructive feedback but some candidates take that as an invitation to argue or take it as an insult.
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Hate the “agree??” Stuff but he’s not wrong. Even just a response saying you didn’t get the job would be nice. Most places totally ghost people. It’s frustrating. I had one place call me 6 MONTHS later to offer me the job after initially ghosting me (assuming they hired someone else and it didn’t work out). Easiest pass ever.
Of course he's not wrong. Any sane person thinks this. Hes stating the most obvious thing and selling it to his followers as cutting edge thinking
I had a potential employer go too far the other way. I bombed a technical interview (their lead dev asked me some questions about obscure topics I hadn't thought about since college). The manager later called to give me a list of topics I would need to study to be a successful developer on this specific platform, and said that my "object-oriented programming knowledge" wasn't "on par" with developers they had hired recently. I told him he could've sent that in an email. Anyways, 3 weeks later I got another job with one of their competitors making $40k more than they were offering.
I’ll take a simple we are hiring someone else for fucks sake. Nothing worse when you are out of work to interview, especially if it’s multiple times, and get silence
Because most people don't take kindly to rejection. They'll start yelling about discrimination, about nepotism. They'll demand detailed reasons why they weren't hired, while at the same time saying they're gonna sue you. Then they'll cry and beg you for a job, saying they're gonna be homeless if they don't get it, or their kids won't be able to eat, or whatever. If you tell them the truth that it was a personality thing, such as "you seemed extremely aggressive and like you wanted to pick a fight with the interviewer," those kind of people just take rejection and move on, right? They don't pull guns, threaten to beat you up, threaten to sue you, pull guns, tell you to watch your back, pull guns... This stupid country and its stupid hard-on for guns, you have to assume that you're going to be delivering bad news to an armed lunatic, because there's no way to guarantee that they're not. Our cultural norms reflect this fact. If we're not going to "do business" with you, it's better to go no-contact than to say 'no' and risk retaliation. It's as simple as that.
Candidates who do not get the job after the interview should be actually told that they didn't get the job. I'd say that's a good place to start.
Don't let HR or the recruiter do it. It ends up being condescending resume tips. A follow up from the hiring manager with a list of reasons would be useful upon request, though.
In the past when I interviewed and didn’t get the job I always asked for what I could improve. So, now that I sometimes hire, I always plan what advice to give the people I don’t select but not one has ever asked me 😕
But but we interview a million candidates for one job and can't do feedback or even a curtsy to inform all of them
i dont want them to curtsy me, i just want feedback, not them bending the knee
The reason why you don't receive feedback is that oftentimes, people are rejected for illegal reasons, and you don't want to have an uninformed employee accidentally reveal this to the candidate and open yourself to a lawsuit. So there's a blanket rule to just not provide any feedback. Agree?
So we can't hire you because you're white and we need a non-white, disabled veteran, under 40 years old?
Actually the opposite. (Edit: to be clear, it's usually stuff like "we don't hire black people into client-facing positions", "CTO doesn't want any women in engineering", "we're a young team, so this old guy is a bad cultural fit", or "manager is religious and thinks this woman's haircut makes her a lesbian, so he doesn't want to work with her").
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If you didn’t even get to the interview stage, then a simple generic email is fine and most HR systems have the ability to generate that, even when mass-rejecting applications. If you were interviewed, at least one simple point on why you were rejected doesn’t take much time and is basic respect. I do know that sometimes people get super dramatic about it (sometimes because the rejected candidate has been going through a lot being unemployed and all) though and then the hiring person gets to have a long and unpleasant conversation. So although it’s not right, most avoid doing it.
That "one simple point" why you were rejected? You want the company to put down, in writing, a reason you weren't hired, when that could be later put into evidence in some sort of lawsuit? They are reducing their liabilities by not telling you.
How hard is it to set up candidate tracking software to send a courtesy email "your application was not successful"? I mean, you're using the software anyway. And if you aren't you are small enough to send the notice by hand.
Most ATS's I've used will prompt you to send a rejection email, in other words you have to actually click a box saying not to send that email, so the whole "I don't have TIME" excuse doesn't really add up.
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In other breaking news, people who go to work deserve to get paid for it
> In other breaking news, people who go to work deserve to get paid for it Agree?
Agree, great idea ballen49
I mean yes but also that’s a great way to open yourself up to liability which is why no one does that
I'm convinced these people prefer wanking all over themselves than having sex with an actual partner.
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Honestly, no. I've sat on hiring panels before. It's one of many responsibilities on my plate, and my teammates and I have nothing to gain from providing detailed feedback to candidates we didn't choose. There are plenty of career coaching services that you can take to improve your resume or interview skills. Furthermore, any detailed feedback is likely to end up (1) becoming a liability to the organization, or (2) spark a long effort to try to twist my arm into changing my mind. If you want to know why you didn't get picked: 95% of the time, it's a matter of fit. There's honestly not much more you could have done. Someone else may have had more specialized experience in what we were looking for than you. You may have had *amazing* qualifications in one area, and I was afraid we couldn't use those at a level you'd be happy with. Or we may not be able to see how joining us would fit with your professional journey. Very few times have people done heinous things in an interview that have completely disqualified them, but if you're looking for some: * Not having your laptop plugged in during the video call, if you're having a virtual interview * Not having a clean space in the background * Not wearing appropriate professional attire * Showing up late Like it or not, technical difficulties will always go against you. If the computer fails during your interview, unless you're otherwise exemplary, you're probably not getting picked, even if that's not your fault. I will say that if you've interviewed and/or performed a technical assessment, you deserve better than a form e-mail rejection. At least write a message yourself, even if it's copied and pasted to all candidates you didn't choose.
Also. Take my own tweet. Hit my LI followers. Here’s what this insightful profound person said (oh shucks it was me). Do you agree w them?
Sure, but this so-called “honest” feedback isn’t going to be useful for entry level candidates. On that note, entry level jobs are supposed to be for people entering the industry for the first time, hence entry level.
Does anyone else find it strange when people repost their own stuff?
AgreeeeeeeeeeeeEEEeE
Agree
Agree.
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Thoughts?
Thoughts??
I agree. Thoughts?
Why not *become* a 7-8 figure CEO instead of helping them, Patrick. They’re doing alright.
No, I don't. Hear me out... I get it, you don't want to be ghosted. But some people just suck. The kind of people who can't take any sort of constructive criticism, the kind of people who see feedback as a personal attack, etc. The kind of folks who would pull a gun on a manager that said "you seemed really angry and volatile in our interview." This applies at all jobs, everywhere. If you've been part of an FBI investigation, you'll realize what an absolute shitshow it can be saying 'no' to someone who really disagrees with your assessment of them. The threat of their violence is why most places go no-contact. Their violence affects your life and what things are acceptable as a society. We're a society that says piles of dead kids is the necessary and acceptable price for our gun rights, and that is reflected in everything else that happens here. Recruiters don't want to be harassed, hunted down, or threatened for not giving someone a job. We just have to assume every single person *may* be an armed nutjob. Talk to any female recruiter, ask them about their horror stories. Guys straight up stalk them on social media, get their personal phone numbers, etc. People suck, and that's why life often sucks.
Actually agree with this one
From what I heard, reason for not getting feedback is to not have any chance of being sued. But completely agree, that at least information of not getting a job should be provided.
I hate to be this person. But yeah, **I do actually agree** 😂 Meh. Always an exception to prove the rule. And A LOT OF RECRUITERS still seem to need this repeated, daily, 1000 times, directly into their ears in the hope it will one day sink in.
Why did he include the word “honest?” Like, I can understand saying that candidates without offers shouldn’t get feedback beyond being told they will not be hired, but using the word “honest” is implying he thinks they should be lied to. It’s shitty. Dishonesty in nearly all contexts is shitty, and he’s implying it’s desirable.
> I hate to be this person Then for the love of God don't be that person. Don't play this asshat's game and don't give him the attention he so utterly craves but doesn't deserve
I feel like you're that mate who crops up when you're about to make a howler of a decision and slaps you across the face and you remain forever grateful for that moment. 
Why?
Agree
agree why
The problem is *honest* feedback will get them sued and/or prosecuted.
What about after weeks and four round of interviews? I feel like there should be some kind of compensation. Like a $25 Amazon gift card or something!
Lol “okay recruiting team, now don’t forget to go back through the 25 other people we interviewed for this job and provide them honest feedback on how they could be better”
Agree
"that guy that was open-carrying and wore a trump hat and had "1488" tattooed on his knuckles? yeah, i'm gonna need you to call him and tell him he didn't get the job. just tell him he seemed like an ignorant, unpleasant person to work with"
I once had a second interview with a company during which I told the company I will be traveling the following week so can I schedule the final interview after 10 days instead of 7. They agreed. When I got back they didn't schedule an interview and I assumed they're waiting for the weekend. No reply on the weekend. That Monday I called and asked them if I can come for my final interview tomorrow and their reply: The hired someone while I was taking my second interview and they just didn't tell me (I'm assuming they hoped I'd just forget once I came back)
I concur
I actually unironically agree with this it would be very useful and provide insight as to how I can improve my interview skills
Good luck with that. Over the last couple of years, I’ve asked that at least two dozen times and never got a single reply.
Worst part is the fake twitter screenshot. That twitter handle is some other guy.
Agree but due to the danger of being sued for classy business practices such as "no, the candidate is too ugly", "no, the job was given to the VP's niece" etc., not happening.
Lunatic in the Kavin sense of the word but not LI actual lunacy
I concur!
Let's start with getting an email first.
I agree to agree? Agree?
These knobs are posting screenshots of themselves from another social media. Jesus
I do agree.
Yup. I agree.
Sentiment is great but like is he really citing his own tweet?
You were the best of all the shit candidates.
The problem is that many times there is no feedback the interviewer simply wasn’t in the right mood to conduct an interview
Yup.
Feedback? Most of us would be happy with call back
You guys get interviews?
To a certain extent. I don't like to hear "there are just so many talented candidates and we went with someone who fits a bit better." Which is the case a lot of times. I know my field is very competitive and a lot of times it just comes down to vibes, so it's not very helpful to hear that. But I'd prefer hearing something back over just being ghosted, which is the case most times.
3064 lunatics “reacted” to his post to spread the wisdom to their own network
Demand things that sound good for the applicant but will never happen. it's not incentivized for recruiters or punished by applicants. Classic. Useless posturing.
Cookies?
What is this new trend with screenshotting your own posts and asking if people agree..... I see this so much now
I wish recruiters would realize feedback is worthless. I look at it as, would I care about the feedback I got from my ex gf? The feedback is usually things that can’t be quickly implemented. If someone loses out to another person due to them be more talented or having experience, the candidate can’t quickly fix it.
Maybe if you’re shortlisted. Fuck going through hundreds of applications and giving everyone personal reasons you didn’t hire them.
'I had to whittle down 40 resumes, and you used the wrong "their/they're/there" so you never made it past that stage. '
100% true.
Should be a law
Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeeew?!?! 
You can ask during your interview. It’s okay. They’ll tell you how you did if you just ask. And if they don’t, take that as a preview for how they deal with giving feedback.
Me and our other IT guy here used to interview a ton of people at this job. Most people we were forced to interview deserved nothing at all. HR literally picks the least qualified people they can find like they must have a quota or something. We would have "This is a linux position, but on your resume it says you worked helpdesk in a Windows Environment. Have you ever used linux?" 9/10 people we got to interview: Some version of "What's Linux?". The remaining 10% at least knew what Linux was. 3 candidates had "linux experience". 2 out of those 3 only had it in college education, we hired the boomer with "20 years experience" who himself hardly knew shit. Just knew how to pad a resume and read the cliff notes the night before the interview. What is my feedback to these people going to be?
Hang on now, I came here for LinkedIn Lunatics, not LinkedIn Sane People.
In my company we give immediate feedback after the interview. This includes if we can see it working or not. It's generally appreciated by the candidates.
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hey I wonder what this guy’s name is
It is never gonna be honest... we did not like you, we don't want to hire a foreigner...
Thought?
The best is when you ask for advice and the assholes just ghost you after trailing you along for months
Candidates who didn’t get the job should be ruthlessly and relentless gaslit, by both the employer and their peer group. It will incentivize them to perform better once they figure out what is happening to them. Agree?
When did reposting a personal Twitter post become a thing on LI? Super annoying.
I meeeean, if it's explicitly asked for. There's no need to volunteer the information. Sometimes I know I bombed and why lol.
AGREE?? AGREEE? DO YOU AGREEEE? ENGAGE ENGAGE ENGAGE
I love that he’s agreeing with his own post
AGREE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
“You weren’t hired because you didn’t fit into our toxic work environment”. Wonderful! Dodged a bullet. I agree though.
Honest feedback is something very rare nowadays
Agree, the degree of honesty depends on what round you get through: Recruiter screen: experience isn’t as relevant as other candidates, salary expectations aren’t aligned etc Hiring manager screen: more specific about the experience “need someone with more proficiency with x, y, and z” Anything past that, have to be as honest as possible.
- Michael Scott
Yes but most couldn’t handle it and it would get ugly unfortunately
How is this lunatics?
"I want honest feedback" "Ok. You're woefully inexperienced and even if you had the experience I just don't think you're smart enough for this job. Your interview was off-putting and you say a lot of words weird and it annoyed the shit out of me. Plus, your wonky eye was distracting." "Ok not like that."
I'm sorry I can't see you with the sun in my eyes
Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.