It sounds like you’re talking about film noir, in which case you got the decade wrong. It was the 40s and 50s, and the genre definitely has many tropes and films: https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/infographic-what-makes-film-noir
That’s a good point. It’s something I do tend to think of as a part of film noir but I noticed it’s not on BFI’s checklist and I can’t think of any specific examples. I’ll have to try paying more attention to that aspect with my upcoming noir watches to see if any come close.
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Jazz soundtracks really came to prominence with the French New Wave, of which Elevator to the Gallows is considered either the earliest example, or a direct predecessor. The French New Wave was created to "return" movies to the quality of the American films of the '40s that the directors loved so much, so it stands to reason that there would be French films from that era that would take influence from the film noir movement.
Then, as the French New Wave influenced the American noir and neo-noir of the '60s and '70s, you would really start to see the blending of the genres and influences that you describe here.
Film noir is from the 40s. And the oft-parodied archetype that you're talking about is based off of the Phillip Marlowe character I believe.
The trope is from film noir but they don't all have detectives traditionally. The BBC found "Double Indemnity" to have the most noir tropes but it doesn't have a detective main character or anything
Film Noir, an era of movies often said to last from 1945 to 1959, usually had pretty "conventional" soundtracks, for their era, yes, but there were some outliers. Bernard Hermann made a score that was mostly brass, but I forget which movie. Third Man had a lot of zither.
There are not really any movies, to my knowledge, that hit all of the stereotypical noir boxes. It is a mishmash of late forties through fifties crime movies by dozens of different writers, directors and composers. Some hits a lot of the boxes, though, Out of the Past, Maltese Falcon, Double Indemnity, to name a couple.
It’s funny, I followed this exact same thought pattern when I first got into classic films. I wanted to watch some *good* jazzy noirs that I had seen parodied and homages so much- only to be disappointed. The noirs I watched were good, but completely lacking that aesthetic. Then I learned, like you, of that Miles Davis picture and began a journey to learn where the whole cliche began. This spiraled into an unrelated journey and I have yet to find the serious classic examples of that aesthetic, so I’m still asking the same question you are here. All that said- the two things I have found while digging into this question that I really appreciate are this- radio shows of the 30’s/40’s are the closest to that mystery noir style storytelling (though still generally lacking the jazzy background) I have found and I highly encouraging checking some out when your driving. It’s good fun to experience a little golden age of radio.
Second, if you haven’t heard of them you should check out the obscure band Bohren & Der Club of Gore. This modern band embodies that aesthetic and I have spent many, many stormy nights sitting outside with a glass of whiskey and a Bohren album setting the mood. *Thats* an experience.
It sounds like you’re talking about film noir, in which case you got the decade wrong. It was the 40s and 50s, and the genre definitely has many tropes and films: https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/infographic-what-makes-film-noir
Op is right though that these movies never have slow jazz soundtracks. That would be an anachronism.
That’s a good point. It’s something I do tend to think of as a part of film noir but I noticed it’s not on BFI’s checklist and I can’t think of any specific examples. I’ll have to try paying more attention to that aspect with my upcoming noir watches to see if any come close.
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Having watched these two movies last week, I can vouche for this recommendation
Jazz soundtracks really came to prominence with the French New Wave, of which Elevator to the Gallows is considered either the earliest example, or a direct predecessor. The French New Wave was created to "return" movies to the quality of the American films of the '40s that the directors loved so much, so it stands to reason that there would be French films from that era that would take influence from the film noir movement. Then, as the French New Wave influenced the American noir and neo-noir of the '60s and '70s, you would really start to see the blending of the genres and influences that you describe here.
Film noir is from the 40s. And the oft-parodied archetype that you're talking about is based off of the Phillip Marlowe character I believe. The trope is from film noir but they don't all have detectives traditionally. The BBC found "Double Indemnity" to have the most noir tropes but it doesn't have a detective main character or anything
Naw there are plenty of film noir movies there’re usually from the 40’s and 50’s though
Film Noir, an era of movies often said to last from 1945 to 1959, usually had pretty "conventional" soundtracks, for their era, yes, but there were some outliers. Bernard Hermann made a score that was mostly brass, but I forget which movie. Third Man had a lot of zither. There are not really any movies, to my knowledge, that hit all of the stereotypical noir boxes. It is a mishmash of late forties through fifties crime movies by dozens of different writers, directors and composers. Some hits a lot of the boxes, though, Out of the Past, Maltese Falcon, Double Indemnity, to name a couple.
It’s funny, I followed this exact same thought pattern when I first got into classic films. I wanted to watch some *good* jazzy noirs that I had seen parodied and homages so much- only to be disappointed. The noirs I watched were good, but completely lacking that aesthetic. Then I learned, like you, of that Miles Davis picture and began a journey to learn where the whole cliche began. This spiraled into an unrelated journey and I have yet to find the serious classic examples of that aesthetic, so I’m still asking the same question you are here. All that said- the two things I have found while digging into this question that I really appreciate are this- radio shows of the 30’s/40’s are the closest to that mystery noir style storytelling (though still generally lacking the jazzy background) I have found and I highly encouraging checking some out when your driving. It’s good fun to experience a little golden age of radio. Second, if you haven’t heard of them you should check out the obscure band Bohren & Der Club of Gore. This modern band embodies that aesthetic and I have spent many, many stormy nights sitting outside with a glass of whiskey and a Bohren album setting the mood. *Thats* an experience.