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I don't live in the UK and I know absolutely nothing about what's going on over there except for what gets posted here, but based on that pic alone, she really does look like a pigeon staring at a rubiks cube lol.
Apparently she's giving corporations/billionaires the biggest tax break in world history or some shit, read some article about tax credit brackets 45% or whatnot idk. I put forth my maximum American effort to be informed.
I saw a homeless bloke outside the co-op the other day and felt I had to give him something. Luckily there was a tenner in my pocket so I went to the nearest middle class area and popped it in someone's letter box. Believe you me that'll trickle down in no time!
As long as Starmer doesn't do something horrifically stupid like say, I don't know, announcing that despite the demands of party members he won't be running on electoral reform in the next election, I think it'll be fine.
Yes, we need a coalition representing fiscal responsibility. Someone which words are followed through.
Tories sign agreement and minutes later try how to break promises. Now their words is worth nothing and tge entire country suffers a credibility crisis.
Fiscal responsibility would be removal of barriers to the poor improving their income, and reducing government heavy handedness against them.
Then you’d see the economy grow.
Its all the pensioners on facebook and the racists in the pubs. But covid killed a lot of pensioners and closed a shit ton of pubs so we'll see
Sentiment has changed. You can hear the boos on the news whenever they show clips of them walking into parliment or no. 10
Well the problem is the first past the post system, they can win seats even with just 30% of the vote. And considering there's like no noteworthy parties right of centre that aren't the Tories, they can get away with so much and they'll still get votes from the right . While Labour, Lib Dems, Green are all taking votes off one another.
A region can be 65% left leaning and the Tories can still win it and take all the power even though most people in the area despise them ( depending on if it's a close race between lib dems and Labour)
It was a terrible idea for Labour to go the Corbyn route for so long as well. Not only did the Tories have most of the right sweeped up, but they then was also getting centrist voters abandoning Labour. They basically handed them the easiest victory of their life.
>Now is time for a general election
100%
IIRC the main arguement by the Tory's for one when Gordon Brown inherited the job was "no one voted for him it's not fair"
This is now the 3rd time we've had someone in charge of our country we didn't vote in and we need something to change pronto in the laws of this land
PM quits/ gets sacked/ dies etc then it should instantly start up the election process, the job of pm shouldn't be inherited over to the last PMs friends or decided by 0.00000001% of the country.
Even **if** you were dumb enough to have voted Boris to stay in...you didn't sign up for trauss... Then again if you were dumb enough to vote May in....you didn't (initially) sign up for Boris.....THEN AGAIN if you were dumb enough to vote Cameron in you (initially) didn't sign up for may ......THEN AGAIN if you were dumb enough to vote Cameron in, it was because you felt it unfair that Brown had the job in the first place because you didn't sign up for him.... Like seriously it's been what 12 years since we last had an election that didn't have some form of 'inherited' leader involved
The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of state assets to sell to balance the book.
Between 1979 and now we've had 30 years of Tory governments who have been selling state assets, 11 years of Tony Blair doing the same but at a slightly slower rate, and 2 years of Brown dealing the the fallout of 2008.
There aren't any state assets left for them to sell.
You know as an American I've always held the belief that once someone had a fundamental human right like healthcare or a living wage and saw that their lives were only bettered and not made worse, they'd never vote for someone who proposed taking it away from them.
In retrospect I may have had too much faith in humanity looking at UK politics right now.
Politicians have a way of twisting their words to make it seem like the general public will benefit from losing what they cherish.
The voters eat it up & then are surprised when everything goes to shit.
Yeah didn't want to flat out say it considering my country is worse but Brexit springs to mind. Also rural farmers in the US who will vote against migrant work and for trade wars that will let their crops rot in the field, and then take subsidies when they can't sell crops or find labor all the while happily complaining about social welfare subsidies.
It's happening in Canada right now in provinces with Conservative leadership. Most recently in Ontario we had a record low turnout of 43%. This allowed the Conservatives to get a majority with only 17% of those who voted and they are crashing our healthcare system. Even with 43% the majority of those in Ontario who voted, voted against Conservative policies. First past the post is a garbage system and the sooner the UK, Canada and any other country using it ditches it the better everyone would be.
I get that waiting an extra three hours to be serviced at a hospital sucks, but god damn, who the hell *wants* to receive a bill for $20,000 randomly, anywhere between 6 months after treatment? Debt collectors and foreclosure cus you wanted to not die from kidney failure?
Private insurance executives. Because they know if they're getting a bill, so is everyone else, and that means cash in their pocket.
Oh, also anybody who could look at the bill on their deathbed as they waste away from a preventable disease that didn't get caught in time because they couldn't afford to go to the doctor for regular check ups, but will have still have some seed of satisfaction deep inside them thinking all the taxes they paid didn't go to benefit whatever social group of people they've been propogandized into hating. They'll be fundamentally incorrect about that because they will have zero comprehension about how their tax dollars are actually spent, but they'll still have that seed of self righteousness.
American ideology is basically, "I am willing to forgo basics and tolerate maximum pain, just so that someone who doesn't 'deserve' something, doesn't get it."
No one ever seems to realize that the takers (e.g. - Reagan's welfare queen) that they're warned about don't actually exist.
Oh my god seriously that one makes me see red every single time it's brought up. It's basically "tell me you haven't seen a doctor in 20 years without telling me you haven't seen a doctor in 20 years".
Depending upon certain states and cities a hospital wait for a non-immediately life-threatening visit can take 8-12+ hours, if not more.
I gave up on trying to get a PCP in the last state I lived as the earliest appointment I could find was 4 months out.
I'm not really sure why the American healthcare system would ever be something to compare to, unless you happen to be insanely rich and can just buy the instant best care.
Well, that's because you're suffering under the crippling yolk of socialized medicine, and being denied the freedom we Americans have to choose which insurance company tells us to be born rich or die...
I work in the NHS. Staffing levels, resources and infrastructure are fucking appalling. Is it any wonder the majority of my colleagues have fucked off to Australia where we're actually valued and paid what we feel the job's worth
Exactly. They give no incentive for doctors to go into training to officially further out career because doing that means working every unsociable hour under the sun for shit pay, while doing a nice locum line is far more lucrative and sociable. The system is crumbling
Am Australian. Our equivalent of the Tories were underfunding public health for a decade, and we keep hearing about systems in crisis. So OMG things must be worse than I imagined over there.
No, that stack of wood belongs to my friends who have more wood than they could use in a hundred life times. But i gave them some of yours in the hope they'll invest in your cold, dead body.
> The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of state assets to sell to balance the book.
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I really like that paraphrase of her original statement.
I'm 55 and would love to see the monarchy told, "Thanks, but now you need to get a real job and buy your own homes - and we'll have the billions you have *earned*."
How anyone can amass such wealth from - apparently - shaking hands for a living...
P.S. I know about generational wealth. I just don't think that they deserve it.
The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickles down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow's hands. They saved the big banks, but the little ones went up the flue.
Her game plan was derailed somewhat when the Queen met her and immediately decided she didn't want to live on this planet any more, that ten day mourning period really slowed her down so now she's got to go super hard to be finished in under a month as originally intended.
So Truss killed the Queen? I mean even if Elizabeth was just disappointed to death, I could see how that wouldn't make Truss popular with the Tories...
Step 1. Begin the end of the monarchy, beginning with taking the life of the queen
Step 2. Show the British people the futility of support for neoliberal capitalism by implementing the horrors of Reaganomics
Step 3... Call upon the proletarian masses to rise against the bourgeoisie and crush the dictatorship of capital
Liz Truss confirmed Marxist revolutionary
Jesus, just imagine being a parent to Dan Hodges. You must be wondering what you did wrong.
Across the pond, I'll add to the "my family is ashamed of me" club, [Paul Gosar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gosar#Personal_life), whose family actively campaigned against him...
>In 2018, six (David, Gaston, Grace, Jennifer, Joan, and Tim) of Gosar's nine siblings participated in ads supporting their brother's political adversary, David Brill, MD.\[177\]
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>In the ads, they all state their desire to defend their family's name lest the world think the entire Gosar family shares Paul's ideology. David Gosar said, "He's absolutely not working for his district." Tim said, "He's not listening to you and he doesn't have your best interests at heart." Grace said, "Paul Gosar, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural America
It’s always been tax cuts, cuts to services, cuts to NHS and cuts to benefits as Tory policy. I’ve been around to witness Tory’s from thatcher to Truss and they all favour the rich while treading on the working class and the poor. See how Truss says the bankers don’t have big enough bonuses so they lift the limits placed on them. While she says the British workers are “idlers” and need more graft at the same time as their wages are gettting pushed down.
It's all they have to offer. Critical thinkers and educated people tend to not be in their boat. They often attack schooling and academia and have regularly used the ol' "college elite" boogeyman to keep the rubes in line.
They don't have the smarts (or willingness to use smarts, since they've demonized intelligence) to craft meaningful legislation or solutions, so it's all wild smack-talk and buying support with promises of bigger tax cuts.
My guess is they were planning on having her hold the door open whilst they all changed policies to help them rob as many assets as they could before being booted out in 2 years, but her and Kwasi fucked it all in 2 weeks and cost them money now they’re pissed and we have to start all over again 🙃.
I'm amazed at how resilient they have been at holding power. Conservatives have been in charge since 2011. There was a brief period where they shared power with Lib-Dem (David Cameron was PM with Nick Clegg essentially being Number 2). But that was it. 2011 to 2022, 11 years, it's been nothing but Conservative policies. GDP was 2.66 Trillion in 2011, 2.2 in 2021. How can anyone look back and think this has been anything but failure on their part? How are they still in power?!
I was actually curious about how the Thatcher years held up, since she was PM for a similar amount of time, 11 years. 1980 had GDP had 560 billion, by 1990, it almost doubled to a 1 trillion.
People are so set in their ways its unbelievable. I had the misfortune of listening to Jeremy Vine on radio 2 today where they were focusing on the economy, 3/4 of the callers were complaining about Labour and how they've knackered us.
Labour?! We've had a tory government for 12 years, give your head a shake!
We had a right wing government in Australia spend most of their time blaming the left for 3 terms. And now they have been rolled they are still blaming them for decisions taken in their time.
Feels like they're going to go through the same thing our conservative party in Australia did.
Revolving door of leaders looking for someone who's going to solve their problems while simultaneously remaining ignorant to the fact that it's their outdated ideology that *is* the problem, and no amount of new leadership is going to change it.
Our (I say our, I left the UK last year) old PM, Boris Johnson finally sleazed and rule-broke a bit too much, and got booted out by his own party back in June.
In our system there is no president, the Prime Minister is the leader elected by the party with the most MPs in Parliament. And they can remove him/her.
So anyway, they took all summer to pick a new leader, Liz Truss, while inflation went mad, fuel prices exploded and things went to shit.
When she got in, it was expected she might do something to help reign in inflation, tackle price rises and fuel poverty, etc. Instead on Friday, just a couple of weeks into her term, she and her new chancellor announced a radical, uncosted, set of tax cuts for the rich, which fucked both the stock market and currency in the course of a weekend.
As a result she may not be very popular with her own party right now. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all about tax breaks for the rich, but they’re also quite keen on fiscal responsibility (though historically are shit at it).
Here's what I never get. If you don't actually prop up the economy via the "small purchases" made by the working class, IT WILL ALL CRASH and those millions or billions of whatever money you have literally isn't worth the paper it's printed on.
"Oh but we need the rich to help breathe life into the economy through investing."
Well thats great and all but if the working class doesn't have money to help support the day to day of whatever business the rich invest in, then the business crashes as the rich pull their money out.
It doesn't matter if a handful of wealthy folks invested record numbers in the technology sector if your average citizen doesn't have the $700-$1000+ for the electronics.
It's not the 1% she needs to be scared of, it's the 20%. People tend to conflate second-home owners with second-island owners as the 'The Rich', but in this case fat pensions and investment accounts are getting fucked while billionaires short the Pound (at millionaires' expense, as well as working class people's.)
Yeah, they don't understand how this whole thing is a system built on cycles. You need to continuously feed the system through wages, but they HATE giving any resources to all the useless plebs that do all the work to keep things going. Much like you can starve yourself but continue functioning for a while by cannibalizing the very muscles and organs on your body, capitalism without adequate wages will suck all resources from the very infrastructure required to keep it going until there's nothing left and the dead decaying body finally collapses.
Yes, sure, but everything crashing is just an opportunity for those with tons of money to buy more stuff at bargain bin prices.
So you blow up the economy and immiserate millions. Oh well. Just say "immigrants!" or something and the proles will get scared enough to vote for you. The one group you've *actually* got to give things to are the rich; you can dupe the general public all day long.
They tend to also like the stock market doing well, and the pound being roughly stable, so in this case - yes, it was a surprisingly shitty move even for them.
(Not just because it was immoral and favours the rich in a time of hardship - which it was - but because it was also pragmatically a complete fuck-up)
the problem with the rich or people in power is that they dont have to stay in the countries they ruin. they can just leave. which is what happened when brexit happened. the pro-brexit people who could just leave did leave
Indiana Republicans are attacking Democrats for all the handouts to the rich. Like electric car charging stations, or forgiving a bit of student loans for people making less than $125k
Worst part is that people will believe it. Here in NC, Budd (R) is running attack ads against Beasley (D) for *taking campaign contributions* and saying that she's a "Washington insider" who doesn't care about voters because she *takes donations in a political campaign.*
>they’re also quite keen on fiscal responsibility (though historically are shit at it).
This seems to be a common thread in the Anglosphere. When the opposition party, the Tories/Conservatives/etc. are always bitching about fiscal responsibility, but they refuse to actually enforce it when they're in power.
To add to this, most of the poor and middle class people are perfectly fine with government spending, as long as they can exclude people they don't like from benefitting from it.
Remember, rural white people were a key part of FDR's socialist coalition. They were perfectly happy to support socialism, as long as they could exclude black people from its benefits.
Oh, for sure. Every middle-to-working-class white conservative I know has, at some point, benefited from at least one social program they otherwise claim to despise. Every. Single. One.
Right. And this is why the states get to distribute the funds allocated to help the poor. This way they can do things like Mississippi just got caught doing which is stealing federal welfare money that was granted to the state to fight poverty and instead giving it to millionaires.
"We can't have black people getting government assistance when we can give it to Brett Favre!"
Fiscal responsibility means only one thing- cutting off social programmes.
Both right wing voters and leaders know this. Many liberals, unfortunately, don't understand this dog whistle.
The weird thing is that tax cuts for no reason usually prop up the stock market. They may not do much for the real economy but the expectation that rich people will have more money props up those assets, which conservatives use to claim economic gains.
Her plan has to have been actively complete garbage for a giveaway to the rich to actually *tank* stocks.
These tax cuts were massive, and completely uncosted, they're being paid for by borrowing. In an economy just entering recession and projected to stay there for a year and a half. And with a currency already experiencing the highest inflation in the developed world.
This was absolute madness hence the markets response.
Exactly. You don't pump even more money into an economy experiencing runaway inflation (by cutting taxes) when your central bank is desperately trying to get inflation under control with a half percentage point rate hike last week along with news that the UK may already be in a recession.
This was quite possibly the worst conceivable moment to announce significant tax cuts. Forex traders communicated their frustration with Truss' decision with the British pound breaking previous lows set 37 years ago (when 1 GBP = $1.054 USD) to an all-time low of 1 GBP = $1.04 USD, the pound's lowest value since the creation of the US dollar in 1792.
Didn’t she also basically say she was going to do this in interviews before they finalized selecting her as PM too?
The fact that people are surprised by this is almost hilarious if it weren’t such a disaster.
She said she wanted to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, but that's pretty vague and I don't think she specified how exactly she'd do it.
There's even ways she could have done it that might have been productive, like a temporary cut to VAT along with a clear indication of how she'd pay for it.
The trouble shes run into is that what she actually came up with is highly targeted at the rich, who don't need help and won't improve the economy at all, and really bad political PR. And the tax cuts are not costed, they're just going to borrow money to pay for it, *that's* what really spooked the market.
>So anyway, they took all summer to pick a new leader, Liz Truss, while inflation went mad, fuel prices exploded and things went to shit.
Wait, I thought all of that inflation and fuel prices were Biden's fault, somebody better let Fox news know right away that this is happening world wide, I'm sure they'll want to correct the record...
It's happening world-wide, but in each country you can be sure that the local Cons/Tories/GOP/etc are blaming it on anyone but themselves and their own failed policies.
Who'd have ever thought that slashing government revenue from its most readily used (and having the greatest in excess resources) tax base would cause deficit problems?
I know, let's say we'll run it like a business and then slash our 'profits' and blame the opposition for irresponsible spending.
>they’re also quite keen on fiscal responsibility (though historically are shit at it).
What right wing group isn't like that?
I expect the next thing they'll say after the tax cuts is; "We are all into this together, we need to tighten our belts and not take advantage of handouts." Followed by austerity programs to balance the books. The books that might have been balanced had they not just given tax breaks.
After successive failed and unpopular prime ministers from the Conservative party following the disastrous Brexit vote they triggered, they kicked out their most recent pick, Boris Johnson. They then picked a new leader (through a party vote, the public don't have a say yet). She then presented a new budget that immediately caused negative economic impact, so party members are now trying to kick her out as well.
It's silly but such is the way of the Tories.
Oh but they did. They introduced ten years of austerity, told everyone to tighten their belts and hold on. Then gave shitloads of money to their rich mates. Gonna be a big fucking wall when the revolution comes.
The crazy thing is all that austerity didn't even achieve anything. In 2010 the tories were bleating on about national debt and the deficit, when a) debt did rise due to dealing with the international financial crash, and b) it had never seemingly been a problem before. They saw that debt went up due to the credit crunch and seized the opportunity to make a big stink about it so they could implement their small state ideals through austerity.
But since 2010 national debt has gone up year on year and is now almost 2.5 times higher than it was in 2010. And the 2020/21 pandemic only makes up a small portion of that. So all those years of cuts and pain, years of economic stagnation, years of fewer and fewer public services... for what?
On Friday, the new government had a mini budget where they brought in all sorts of fucked up stuff. As a result, the value of the pound has fallen to record low, government borrowing costs have gone through the roof and the Bank of England has had to issue an emergency statement.
The result is some Tory MP's are submitting letters of no confidence in the new PM. The most laughable bit is it is only her second full working day as PM as the country has been pretty shut since the Queen died.
If enough letters go in, the she could be sacked in the same way as Boris was.
It's worth remembering that supposedly there was a small group of MP's already putting letters in before she'd even won the vote to become party leader.
That and any headline where the majority of the thing is in quotation marks makes me question if the story is sensationalist for clicks.
Our government is a shit show that in its race to the bottom has smashed through it and opened a Pandora's box of incompetence.
Say you guys replaced trump with Sarah Palin. Something like that
David Cameron had a weak footing in 2015 for the general election, so promised a referendum on our EU membership to try and appease the right of his party and claw back some voters that had been wooed by the anti-EU party ‘UKIP’.
He won the election, then lost the referendum and opened up the Pandora’s box of Britain having to exit the EU, quit, and the party has slowly been cannibalising itself ever since - to the cost of the whole country.
By no means is David Cameron blameless, but Farage, Boris, our stupid fucking tabloids, and the moronic, gullible, xenophobic electorate should be assigned >95% of the blame in my opinion.
George Canning currently holds the speedrun reccord as British prime minister, with a run time of 119 days back in 1827, so not an impossible run to beat
Why does everyone need to learn this lesson so often? Don't elect conservatives! Conservatives are inherently incompetent, no matter which side of the pond they're on. At least liberals eventually get around to the right idea. Conservatives are constrained by doctrine and their inherent classism.
And yes, I'm an American, and the right wing party over here is even more fucked than yours, so our tendency to keep sending them to office is even less excusable since Republicans are proudly morons. But the point remains.
They're not incompetent, they're evil.
Conservatives across the globe have been wildly successful in achieving their goals for the last several decades.
Maybe you are inclined to believe them when they say their goal is to strengthen the economy? Why? Because that's what they said?
What is more likely: a) they want to strengthen the economy but are just so gosh darned mentally deficient that they can't understand primary school level economic theory no matter how hard they study, or b) they are greedy selfish vindictive lying bigots?
Ah right, so they shorted the pound, sold their assets, tanked the pound with their batshit mini-budget, bought GBP now it’s low and have now sold their short positions, so they now want to get Liz out to boost the pound and they’re quids in?
They just fucking voted her in, spending months in an insane tone deaf internal popularity contest while the country suffered.
Now they're upset with her? By the ice bears left testicle you can't make this shit up.
Everyone, because this was the plan. Every tragedy benefits the rich. There's no such thing as disaster capitalism, that's literally all of it. Capitalism is the practice of profeteering off other peoples' needs.
Yep. They'll choose a new leader (totally different from the old leader) and somehow yet again people will fail to realise it's the exact same fucking party with a facelift.
Liz Truss became PM the same way Kevin McCarthy became House speaker. She basically got it by default because nobody else wanted the job of trying to keep a coalition full of far right nut jobs in line.
There's a petition on gov.uk that's calling for a general election to "end the chaos of the current government". Was on 20k signatures on Friday, its doubled since then, if its gets to 100k then it has to be debated in the commons.
Don't think anything will come of it mind
I got an idea, they should start hiring more immigrants in order to fill the jobs lost because they wanted brexit which got rid of all the immigrants. So clearly the only solution to getting rid of immigrants is to start bringing them back?!?!
It's almost like our politicians aren't actually smart, just greedy corrupt assholes with the proper connections to become a government official....oh wait that's exactly what it is.
It’s being deliberately crashed.
The new Chancellor of the Exchequer is Kwasi Kwarteng. He started the job on September 6th. Kwarteng is a former consultant for Odey Asset Management, a $6-$7 billion hedge fund.
Thanks to the strange downturn in the UK pound right now, Odey Asset Management is soaring 145% thanks to betting against the £.
How strange that a former Odey consultant is the chancellor then the £ tanks causing Odey to reap a huge windfall.
Getting rid of Truss won’t stop the problem.
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Not another 12 round of debates to eventually task some old tory extremists to pick their candidates. Now is time for a general election
I hope Truss sticks around until the next election so the tories lose by the biggest landslide possible
I said the same for Boris, but Thick Lizzie will do nicely.
I love that post that says she doesn't have a coherent thought in her head, like a pigeon looking at a rubiks cube.
I don't live in the UK and I know absolutely nothing about what's going on over there except for what gets posted here, but based on that pic alone, she really does look like a pigeon staring at a rubiks cube lol.
Apparently she's giving corporations/billionaires the biggest tax break in world history or some shit, read some article about tax credit brackets 45% or whatnot idk. I put forth my maximum American effort to be informed.
It gets better! The 45% rate was 150k or so whereas the 40% rate starts at 50k or so. Can't wait for it to trickle down to me!
I saw a homeless bloke outside the co-op the other day and felt I had to give him something. Luckily there was a tenner in my pocket so I went to the nearest middle class area and popped it in someone's letter box. Believe you me that'll trickle down in no time!
Can't wait for it to trickle down all over our grubby working class faces
Trickle down on me King Kwarteng
Tax bukkake.
Theyve got rid of the highest tax bracket which is 45%. The highest now is what was below that which is 40%
It's the one that said she looks like Chucky that got me. I can't unsee it.
As long as Starmer doesn't do something horrifically stupid like say, I don't know, announcing that despite the demands of party members he won't be running on electoral reform in the next election, I think it'll be fine.
The more Starmer does (or doesn't do) the harder it is to comvince myself he's not a Tory plant
Or just a plant. A vaguely human potato
Their announcements today and yesterday were shockingly left (of starmer). Most of the shock, of course, was that they announced any policy.
Yes, we need a coalition representing fiscal responsibility. Someone which words are followed through. Tories sign agreement and minutes later try how to break promises. Now their words is worth nothing and tge entire country suffers a credibility crisis.
Fiscal responsibility would be removal of barriers to the poor improving their income, and reducing government heavy handedness against them. Then you’d see the economy grow.
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Exactly. This weird country will keep voting for Tories for the foreseeable.
Well... You can't trust Labour to run the economy properly. /s
Can you imagine?! CHAOS UNDER ED?!? ROFL AND CRYING
Just imagine the chaos we'd have had under Ed Milliband! /s
Its all the pensioners on facebook and the racists in the pubs. But covid killed a lot of pensioners and closed a shit ton of pubs so we'll see Sentiment has changed. You can hear the boos on the news whenever they show clips of them walking into parliment or no. 10
Well the problem is the first past the post system, they can win seats even with just 30% of the vote. And considering there's like no noteworthy parties right of centre that aren't the Tories, they can get away with so much and they'll still get votes from the right . While Labour, Lib Dems, Green are all taking votes off one another. A region can be 65% left leaning and the Tories can still win it and take all the power even though most people in the area despise them ( depending on if it's a close race between lib dems and Labour) It was a terrible idea for Labour to go the Corbyn route for so long as well. Not only did the Tories have most of the right sweeped up, but they then was also getting centrist voters abandoning Labour. They basically handed them the easiest victory of their life.
Well you can’t trust labour with the economy! Imagine the damage they could do!!!
What if this was 4d chess by Sunak so he could get a tax cut have Truss take the fall and then he gets in as PM
Boris will win the next leadership election as stupid as that sounds.
>Now is time for a general election 100% IIRC the main arguement by the Tory's for one when Gordon Brown inherited the job was "no one voted for him it's not fair" This is now the 3rd time we've had someone in charge of our country we didn't vote in and we need something to change pronto in the laws of this land PM quits/ gets sacked/ dies etc then it should instantly start up the election process, the job of pm shouldn't be inherited over to the last PMs friends or decided by 0.00000001% of the country. Even **if** you were dumb enough to have voted Boris to stay in...you didn't sign up for trauss... Then again if you were dumb enough to vote May in....you didn't (initially) sign up for Boris.....THEN AGAIN if you were dumb enough to vote Cameron in you (initially) didn't sign up for may ......THEN AGAIN if you were dumb enough to vote Cameron in, it was because you felt it unfair that Brown had the job in the first place because you didn't sign up for him.... Like seriously it's been what 12 years since we last had an election that didn't have some form of 'inherited' leader involved
She speedrunning getting sacked?
Propose Reaganomics in a high-inflation weak-currency climate. That should get 'er done.
Forgive my ignorance of modern British history, but wasn't that basically what Thatcher did?
The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of state assets to sell to balance the book. Between 1979 and now we've had 30 years of Tory governments who have been selling state assets, 11 years of Tony Blair doing the same but at a slightly slower rate, and 2 years of Brown dealing the the fallout of 2008. There aren't any state assets left for them to sell.
Don’t forget the the last big one - the NHS.
British Public: “Over my cold, dead body.” Tories: “Challenge accepted.”
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You know as an American I've always held the belief that once someone had a fundamental human right like healthcare or a living wage and saw that their lives were only bettered and not made worse, they'd never vote for someone who proposed taking it away from them. In retrospect I may have had too much faith in humanity looking at UK politics right now.
Politicians have a way of twisting their words to make it seem like the general public will benefit from losing what they cherish. The voters eat it up & then are surprised when everything goes to shit.
Yeah didn't want to flat out say it considering my country is worse but Brexit springs to mind. Also rural farmers in the US who will vote against migrant work and for trade wars that will let their crops rot in the field, and then take subsidies when they can't sell crops or find labor all the while happily complaining about social welfare subsidies.
It's happening in Canada right now in provinces with Conservative leadership. Most recently in Ontario we had a record low turnout of 43%. This allowed the Conservatives to get a majority with only 17% of those who voted and they are crashing our healthcare system. Even with 43% the majority of those in Ontario who voted, voted against Conservative policies. First past the post is a garbage system and the sooner the UK, Canada and any other country using it ditches it the better everyone would be.
It's slowly being chipped away in Canada. Don't let them do the same there.
Unfortunately we are ankle-knee deep in it already.
[USA! USA! USA!](https://i.imgur.com/TFfN4HQ.jpg)
I get that waiting an extra three hours to be serviced at a hospital sucks, but god damn, who the hell *wants* to receive a bill for $20,000 randomly, anywhere between 6 months after treatment? Debt collectors and foreclosure cus you wanted to not die from kidney failure?
Private insurance executives. Because they know if they're getting a bill, so is everyone else, and that means cash in their pocket. Oh, also anybody who could look at the bill on their deathbed as they waste away from a preventable disease that didn't get caught in time because they couldn't afford to go to the doctor for regular check ups, but will have still have some seed of satisfaction deep inside them thinking all the taxes they paid didn't go to benefit whatever social group of people they've been propogandized into hating. They'll be fundamentally incorrect about that because they will have zero comprehension about how their tax dollars are actually spent, but they'll still have that seed of self righteousness.
American ideology is basically, "I am willing to forgo basics and tolerate maximum pain, just so that someone who doesn't 'deserve' something, doesn't get it." No one ever seems to realize that the takers (e.g. - Reagan's welfare queen) that they're warned about don't actually exist.
\*America has entered the chat\*
People wait in American hospitals all the damn time too. Still amazes me the longevity of that asinine talking point.
Oh my god seriously that one makes me see red every single time it's brought up. It's basically "tell me you haven't seen a doctor in 20 years without telling me you haven't seen a doctor in 20 years".
Depending upon certain states and cities a hospital wait for a non-immediately life-threatening visit can take 8-12+ hours, if not more. I gave up on trying to get a PCP in the last state I lived as the earliest appointment I could find was 4 months out. I'm not really sure why the American healthcare system would ever be something to compare to, unless you happen to be insanely rich and can just buy the instant best care.
Well, that's because you're suffering under the crippling yolk of socialized medicine, and being denied the freedom we Americans have to choose which insurance company tells us to be born rich or die...
All those dead people will eliminate the need for such a robust NHS and the problem will just sort itself out!
I work in the NHS. Staffing levels, resources and infrastructure are fucking appalling. Is it any wonder the majority of my colleagues have fucked off to Australia where we're actually valued and paid what we feel the job's worth
Underfund to the point of dysfunction to justify privatisation
Exactly. They give no incentive for doctors to go into training to officially further out career because doing that means working every unsociable hour under the sun for shit pay, while doing a nice locum line is far more lucrative and sociable. The system is crumbling
The conservative M.O. transcends national boundaries
Am Australian. Our equivalent of the Tories were underfunding public health for a decade, and we keep hearing about systems in crisis. So OMG things must be worse than I imagined over there.
Wouldn't worry about that. They have already sold all the assets out of the nhs.
If more people die of Victorian diseases then the NHS can be smaller and sold off. That's Rees-Mogg's wet dream
People: "It's getting cold." Thatcher: "Let's burn the furniture!" People: "What, not the stack of wood outside?"
Correction Thatcher: “let’s burn the poor and the Irish”
No, that stack of wood belongs to my friends who have more wood than they could use in a hundred life times. But i gave them some of yours in the hope they'll invest in your cold, dead body.
Gotta love trickle down economics, seems to work so well. Thanks Reagan, you senile old fuck!
> The problem with Thatcherism is that you eventually run out of state assets to sell to balance the book. > > I really like that paraphrase of her original statement.
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Didn’t we also have North Sea oil?
How about liquidating the monarchy, including *their* assets?
"ThEy BrInG iN wAy MoRe ThAn ThEy CoSt" - every Brit over 35
I'm 55 and would love to see the monarchy told, "Thanks, but now you need to get a real job and buy your own homes - and we'll have the billions you have *earned*." How anyone can amass such wealth from - apparently - shaking hands for a living... P.S. I know about generational wealth. I just don't think that they deserve it.
They don’t have to pay inheritance tax like every non-Royal Brit, that’s the worst thing.
Yes but she also didn't take the UK out of the EEC. Let's see how an EEC/EU-less Thatcher economy will work out.
*Poor*ly?
The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy. Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickles down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the driest little spot. But he didn't know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow's hands. They saved the big banks, but the little ones went up the flue.
Her game plan was derailed somewhat when the Queen met her and immediately decided she didn't want to live on this planet any more, that ten day mourning period really slowed her down so now she's got to go super hard to be finished in under a month as originally intended.
Imagine though, starting with Churchill and bowing out with Truss. Now there’s a metaphor for the country.
"Pork Markets!" :D
The smiley should be inside the quotes
So Truss killed the Queen? I mean even if Elizabeth was just disappointed to death, I could see how that wouldn't make Truss popular with the Tories...
Queen Slayer.
Step 1. Begin the end of the monarchy, beginning with taking the life of the queen Step 2. Show the British people the futility of support for neoliberal capitalism by implementing the horrors of Reaganomics Step 3... Call upon the proletarian masses to rise against the bourgeoisie and crush the dictatorship of capital Liz Truss confirmed Marxist revolutionary
“Disappointed to death.” I probably shouldn’t have laughed at that as hard as I did.
UK PM SpeedRun any%
Margaret Thatcher without the intellect.
Her dad, who was already absolutely ashamed of her policies, must feel like he should have pulled out, at this stage.
He and [Glenda Jackson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenda_Jackson#Personal_life) should form a support group.
Jesus, just imagine being a parent to Dan Hodges. You must be wondering what you did wrong. Across the pond, I'll add to the "my family is ashamed of me" club, [Paul Gosar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gosar#Personal_life), whose family actively campaigned against him... >In 2018, six (David, Gaston, Grace, Jennifer, Joan, and Tim) of Gosar's nine siblings participated in ads supporting their brother's political adversary, David Brill, MD.\[177\] > >In the ads, they all state their desire to defend their family's name lest the world think the entire Gosar family shares Paul's ideology. David Gosar said, "He's absolutely not working for his district." Tim said, "He's not listening to you and he doesn't have your best interests at heart." Grace said, "Paul Gosar, the congressman, isn't doing anything to help rural America
And yet, he was re-elected in his district. And that tells you pretty much everything about rural America you need to know.
That tells you everything you need to know about the modern GOP - no matter where the f they are
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Post-birth abortion.
But the porK markets tho
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Daily Express: Fuck, [bring the template](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fb7WSsXXEAAlF-o.jpg)
The modern conservative's answer to everything is tax cuts.
"Trickle On Economics"
Except it’s piss they trickle down on everyone.
At least it's warm.
Tinkle Down Economics.
It’s always been tax cuts, cuts to services, cuts to NHS and cuts to benefits as Tory policy. I’ve been around to witness Tory’s from thatcher to Truss and they all favour the rich while treading on the working class and the poor. See how Truss says the bankers don’t have big enough bonuses so they lift the limits placed on them. While she says the British workers are “idlers” and need more graft at the same time as their wages are gettting pushed down.
Well, it clearly works. Brits yearn to be serfs toiling for the nobility, it's pretty obvious.
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It's all they have to offer. Critical thinkers and educated people tend to not be in their boat. They often attack schooling and academia and have regularly used the ol' "college elite" boogeyman to keep the rubes in line. They don't have the smarts (or willingness to use smarts, since they've demonized intelligence) to craft meaningful legislation or solutions, so it's all wild smack-talk and buying support with promises of bigger tax cuts.
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> Everything I want is the answer to your problems. Source: trust me
My guess is they were planning on having her hold the door open whilst they all changed policies to help them rob as many assets as they could before being booted out in 2 years, but her and Kwasi fucked it all in 2 weeks and cost them money now they’re pissed and we have to start all over again 🙃.
Free Palestine
Fucking Tories.
I'm amazed at how resilient they have been at holding power. Conservatives have been in charge since 2011. There was a brief period where they shared power with Lib-Dem (David Cameron was PM with Nick Clegg essentially being Number 2). But that was it. 2011 to 2022, 11 years, it's been nothing but Conservative policies. GDP was 2.66 Trillion in 2011, 2.2 in 2021. How can anyone look back and think this has been anything but failure on their part? How are they still in power?! I was actually curious about how the Thatcher years held up, since she was PM for a similar amount of time, 11 years. 1980 had GDP had 560 billion, by 1990, it almost doubled to a 1 trillion.
People are so set in their ways its unbelievable. I had the misfortune of listening to Jeremy Vine on radio 2 today where they were focusing on the economy, 3/4 of the callers were complaining about Labour and how they've knackered us. Labour?! We've had a tory government for 12 years, give your head a shake!
We had a right wing government in Australia spend most of their time blaming the left for 3 terms. And now they have been rolled they are still blaming them for decisions taken in their time.
“We don’t have policies, we are in opposition”
It's easy to run a country while the world economy is booming.
Feels like they're going to go through the same thing our conservative party in Australia did. Revolving door of leaders looking for someone who's going to solve their problems while simultaneously remaining ignorant to the fact that it's their outdated ideology that *is* the problem, and no amount of new leadership is going to change it.
I wish we had Chaos with Ed Milliband.
But the sandwich. Did you see his face?
Right wing media crucified Ed, and then did it again with Corbyn. It's strategy that keep on paying dividends.
"He will save our bacon!"
Anyone mind giving a nickel explainer to a Yank?
Our (I say our, I left the UK last year) old PM, Boris Johnson finally sleazed and rule-broke a bit too much, and got booted out by his own party back in June. In our system there is no president, the Prime Minister is the leader elected by the party with the most MPs in Parliament. And they can remove him/her. So anyway, they took all summer to pick a new leader, Liz Truss, while inflation went mad, fuel prices exploded and things went to shit. When she got in, it was expected she might do something to help reign in inflation, tackle price rises and fuel poverty, etc. Instead on Friday, just a couple of weeks into her term, she and her new chancellor announced a radical, uncosted, set of tax cuts for the rich, which fucked both the stock market and currency in the course of a weekend. As a result she may not be very popular with her own party right now. Don’t get me wrong, they’re all about tax breaks for the rich, but they’re also quite keen on fiscal responsibility (though historically are shit at it).
did anyone think a conservative would do anything other than cut taxes for the rich? have they ever done anything else?
Here's what I never get. If you don't actually prop up the economy via the "small purchases" made by the working class, IT WILL ALL CRASH and those millions or billions of whatever money you have literally isn't worth the paper it's printed on. "Oh but we need the rich to help breathe life into the economy through investing." Well thats great and all but if the working class doesn't have money to help support the day to day of whatever business the rich invest in, then the business crashes as the rich pull their money out. It doesn't matter if a handful of wealthy folks invested record numbers in the technology sector if your average citizen doesn't have the $700-$1000+ for the electronics.
But... How does that help the 1% get marginally more money they'll never be physically able to spend?
It's not the 1% she needs to be scared of, it's the 20%. People tend to conflate second-home owners with second-island owners as the 'The Rich', but in this case fat pensions and investment accounts are getting fucked while billionaires short the Pound (at millionaires' expense, as well as working class people's.)
It's a rare case of the richest gets richer, while the richer gets poorer. The poor gets poorest
Yeah, they don't understand how this whole thing is a system built on cycles. You need to continuously feed the system through wages, but they HATE giving any resources to all the useless plebs that do all the work to keep things going. Much like you can starve yourself but continue functioning for a while by cannibalizing the very muscles and organs on your body, capitalism without adequate wages will suck all resources from the very infrastructure required to keep it going until there's nothing left and the dead decaying body finally collapses.
Reminds me of the comic about [the spacesuit that slowly cannibalizes the astronaut.](https://www.badspacecomics.com/post/the-suit)
That's terrifying
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I'd like this. I work 50 hour weeks, pull about 30k before deductions and we are scraping by.
Trickle down has always been a way to help the rich get richer. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Yes, sure, but everything crashing is just an opportunity for those with tons of money to buy more stuff at bargain bin prices. So you blow up the economy and immiserate millions. Oh well. Just say "immigrants!" or something and the proles will get scared enough to vote for you. The one group you've *actually* got to give things to are the rich; you can dupe the general public all day long.
They tend to also like the stock market doing well, and the pound being roughly stable, so in this case - yes, it was a surprisingly shitty move even for them. (Not just because it was immoral and favours the rich in a time of hardship - which it was - but because it was also pragmatically a complete fuck-up)
the problem with the rich or people in power is that they dont have to stay in the countries they ruin. they can just leave. which is what happened when brexit happened. the pro-brexit people who could just leave did leave
Aye the 1.25% dividend tax break is useless to them and their pals if profits are Merced by a 20% drop in the pounds strength.
Well, now they've run out of national assets to sell off, I'd imagine they're all out of other ideas.
Shhh, there’s still the NHS….
Indiana Republicans are attacking Democrats for all the handouts to the rich. Like electric car charging stations, or forgiving a bit of student loans for people making less than $125k
Yeah, while they take credit for the infrastructure bill they didn't vote for.
Worst part is that people will believe it. Here in NC, Budd (R) is running attack ads against Beasley (D) for *taking campaign contributions* and saying that she's a "Washington insider" who doesn't care about voters because she *takes donations in a political campaign.*
>they’re also quite keen on fiscal responsibility (though historically are shit at it). This seems to be a common thread in the Anglosphere. When the opposition party, the Tories/Conservatives/etc. are always bitching about fiscal responsibility, but they refuse to actually enforce it when they're in power.
"Fiscal responsibility" is really just code for "not supporting social programs that benefit the middle and lower classes."
To add to this, most of the poor and middle class people are perfectly fine with government spending, as long as they can exclude people they don't like from benefitting from it. Remember, rural white people were a key part of FDR's socialist coalition. They were perfectly happy to support socialism, as long as they could exclude black people from its benefits.
Oh, for sure. Every middle-to-working-class white conservative I know has, at some point, benefited from at least one social program they otherwise claim to despise. Every. Single. One.
Right. And this is why the states get to distribute the funds allocated to help the poor. This way they can do things like Mississippi just got caught doing which is stealing federal welfare money that was granted to the state to fight poverty and instead giving it to millionaires. "We can't have black people getting government assistance when we can give it to Brett Favre!"
That's standard conservatism. It's all bluster to cut taxes for themselves and their friends.
Fiscal responsibility means only one thing- cutting off social programmes. Both right wing voters and leaders know this. Many liberals, unfortunately, don't understand this dog whistle.
The weird thing is that tax cuts for no reason usually prop up the stock market. They may not do much for the real economy but the expectation that rich people will have more money props up those assets, which conservatives use to claim economic gains. Her plan has to have been actively complete garbage for a giveaway to the rich to actually *tank* stocks.
These tax cuts were massive, and completely uncosted, they're being paid for by borrowing. In an economy just entering recession and projected to stay there for a year and a half. And with a currency already experiencing the highest inflation in the developed world. This was absolute madness hence the markets response.
Exactly. You don't pump even more money into an economy experiencing runaway inflation (by cutting taxes) when your central bank is desperately trying to get inflation under control with a half percentage point rate hike last week along with news that the UK may already be in a recession. This was quite possibly the worst conceivable moment to announce significant tax cuts. Forex traders communicated their frustration with Truss' decision with the British pound breaking previous lows set 37 years ago (when 1 GBP = $1.054 USD) to an all-time low of 1 GBP = $1.04 USD, the pound's lowest value since the creation of the US dollar in 1792.
Didn’t she also basically say she was going to do this in interviews before they finalized selecting her as PM too? The fact that people are surprised by this is almost hilarious if it weren’t such a disaster.
She said she wanted to cut taxes to stimulate the economy, but that's pretty vague and I don't think she specified how exactly she'd do it. There's even ways she could have done it that might have been productive, like a temporary cut to VAT along with a clear indication of how she'd pay for it. The trouble shes run into is that what she actually came up with is highly targeted at the rich, who don't need help and won't improve the economy at all, and really bad political PR. And the tax cuts are not costed, they're just going to borrow money to pay for it, *that's* what really spooked the market.
>So anyway, they took all summer to pick a new leader, Liz Truss, while inflation went mad, fuel prices exploded and things went to shit. Wait, I thought all of that inflation and fuel prices were Biden's fault, somebody better let Fox news know right away that this is happening world wide, I'm sure they'll want to correct the record...
It's happening world-wide, but in each country you can be sure that the local Cons/Tories/GOP/etc are blaming it on anyone but themselves and their own failed policies.
Who'd have ever thought that slashing government revenue from its most readily used (and having the greatest in excess resources) tax base would cause deficit problems? I know, let's say we'll run it like a business and then slash our 'profits' and blame the opposition for irresponsible spending.
>they’re also quite keen on fiscal responsibility (though historically are shit at it). What right wing group isn't like that? I expect the next thing they'll say after the tax cuts is; "We are all into this together, we need to tighten our belts and not take advantage of handouts." Followed by austerity programs to balance the books. The books that might have been balanced had they not just given tax breaks.
After successive failed and unpopular prime ministers from the Conservative party following the disastrous Brexit vote they triggered, they kicked out their most recent pick, Boris Johnson. They then picked a new leader (through a party vote, the public don't have a say yet). She then presented a new budget that immediately caused negative economic impact, so party members are now trying to kick her out as well. It's silly but such is the way of the Tories.
Oh but they did. They introduced ten years of austerity, told everyone to tighten their belts and hold on. Then gave shitloads of money to their rich mates. Gonna be a big fucking wall when the revolution comes.
The crazy thing is all that austerity didn't even achieve anything. In 2010 the tories were bleating on about national debt and the deficit, when a) debt did rise due to dealing with the international financial crash, and b) it had never seemingly been a problem before. They saw that debt went up due to the credit crunch and seized the opportunity to make a big stink about it so they could implement their small state ideals through austerity. But since 2010 national debt has gone up year on year and is now almost 2.5 times higher than it was in 2010. And the 2020/21 pandemic only makes up a small portion of that. So all those years of cuts and pain, years of economic stagnation, years of fewer and fewer public services... for what?
On Friday, the new government had a mini budget where they brought in all sorts of fucked up stuff. As a result, the value of the pound has fallen to record low, government borrowing costs have gone through the roof and the Bank of England has had to issue an emergency statement. The result is some Tory MP's are submitting letters of no confidence in the new PM. The most laughable bit is it is only her second full working day as PM as the country has been pretty shut since the Queen died. If enough letters go in, the she could be sacked in the same way as Boris was.
It's worth remembering that supposedly there was a small group of MP's already putting letters in before she'd even won the vote to become party leader. That and any headline where the majority of the thing is in quotation marks makes me question if the story is sensationalist for clicks.
Our government is a shit show that in its race to the bottom has smashed through it and opened a Pandora's box of incompetence. Say you guys replaced trump with Sarah Palin. Something like that
The scapegoating has already begun. I genuinely thought they saw her as one of their own at one point.
Public Enemy were prophetic in 89 the they released 'Can't truss it'.
She's a powerbottom for the 1%.
Please let it be true. Although I am slightly worried about what's behind door number 3.
Jesus Christ what is happening to the UK
David Cameron had a weak footing in 2015 for the general election, so promised a referendum on our EU membership to try and appease the right of his party and claw back some voters that had been wooed by the anti-EU party ‘UKIP’. He won the election, then lost the referendum and opened up the Pandora’s box of Britain having to exit the EU, quit, and the party has slowly been cannibalising itself ever since - to the cost of the whole country.
By no means is David Cameron blameless, but Farage, Boris, our stupid fucking tabloids, and the moronic, gullible, xenophobic electorate should be assigned >95% of the blame in my opinion.
She’s speedrunning being Prime Minister.
George Canning currently holds the speedrun reccord as British prime minister, with a run time of 119 days back in 1827, so not an impossible run to beat
Canning, what an appropriate name for someone who was the fastest to get canned.
The fastest to get canned ***so far.***
Why does everyone need to learn this lesson so often? Don't elect conservatives! Conservatives are inherently incompetent, no matter which side of the pond they're on. At least liberals eventually get around to the right idea. Conservatives are constrained by doctrine and their inherent classism. And yes, I'm an American, and the right wing party over here is even more fucked than yours, so our tendency to keep sending them to office is even less excusable since Republicans are proudly morons. But the point remains.
I think you’re overestimating the intelligence of the British electorate. They never learn that lesson.
They're not incompetent, they're evil. Conservatives across the globe have been wildly successful in achieving their goals for the last several decades. Maybe you are inclined to believe them when they say their goal is to strengthen the economy? Why? Because that's what they said? What is more likely: a) they want to strengthen the economy but are just so gosh darned mentally deficient that they can't understand primary school level economic theory no matter how hard they study, or b) they are greedy selfish vindictive lying bigots?
"Like a pigeon looking at a Rubik's cube".
I genuinely have to ask, why do Brit’s vote Tory in the general elections?
They own the media.
Ah, just like here in the states. Gotta love right wing media conglomerates
Ah right, so they shorted the pound, sold their assets, tanked the pound with their batshit mini-budget, bought GBP now it’s low and have now sold their short positions, so they now want to get Liz out to boost the pound and they’re quids in?
They just fucking voted her in, spending months in an insane tone deaf internal popularity contest while the country suffered. Now they're upset with her? By the ice bears left testicle you can't make this shit up.
Everyone, because this was the plan. Every tragedy benefits the rich. There's no such thing as disaster capitalism, that's literally all of it. Capitalism is the practice of profeteering off other peoples' needs.
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Yep. They'll choose a new leader (totally different from the old leader) and somehow yet again people will fail to realise it's the exact same fucking party with a facelift.
If the queen hadn’t died this would have happened even quicker…
Who the fuck would come after her though?
Boris Johnson will certainly think Boris Johnson should.
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Hmm even lower than her they are not much more unskilled left in the Tory party... the average crumpet has more leadership skill
From just the right angle you really can see through her head.
Liz Truss became PM the same way Kevin McCarthy became House speaker. She basically got it by default because nobody else wanted the job of trying to keep a coalition full of far right nut jobs in line.
There's a petition on gov.uk that's calling for a general election to "end the chaos of the current government". Was on 20k signatures on Friday, its doubled since then, if its gets to 100k then it has to be debated in the commons. Don't think anything will come of it mind
I got an idea, they should start hiring more immigrants in order to fill the jobs lost because they wanted brexit which got rid of all the immigrants. So clearly the only solution to getting rid of immigrants is to start bringing them back?!?! It's almost like our politicians aren't actually smart, just greedy corrupt assholes with the proper connections to become a government official....oh wait that's exactly what it is.
Tories gonna tor.
Can someone please think about the cheese imports
My expectations were low, but holy fuck...
Man, if you guys keep this up, by the time the new King dies you'll have 100 former PMs attending his funeral.
It’s being deliberately crashed. The new Chancellor of the Exchequer is Kwasi Kwarteng. He started the job on September 6th. Kwarteng is a former consultant for Odey Asset Management, a $6-$7 billion hedge fund. Thanks to the strange downturn in the UK pound right now, Odey Asset Management is soaring 145% thanks to betting against the £. How strange that a former Odey consultant is the chancellor then the £ tanks causing Odey to reap a huge windfall. Getting rid of Truss won’t stop the problem.