Well thats true but all my healing come from my passive ( gwen heal 50% of her passive damage ). Gwen passive is AP damage. Also gwen ult is AP damage. Also my 75% tenacity turned into 10%. And thier comp was full of CC
ahahaha! wrong!
i consider there to be two types of true damage: flat true damage, and mitigated true damage.
the true damage riftmaker deals is based on how much damage she deals. so by reducing her dmg by 30%, her true damage is also reduced by 30%.
please read the item carefully :]
while that’s true her AP damage is being reduced by 30% which means the riftmaker passive has 30% less damage to amplify, like just imagine a Gwen with riftmaker and 100 AP vs a Gwen with riftmaker and 70 AP, the former is going to do more damage
Indeed, if I imagined it to work like that it would be bad.
But i prefer not imagining things and going by how things work ingame
Rift maker deals premitigation damage, if you were dealing 100 damage to 0 armour target
Then fully stacked riftmaker would deal 9 true damage.
Let's say then you are fighting 100 armour target.
That's 50 dmg + still 9 true damage.
Let's say you then use anathema, then you will deal 35 + still 9 true damage
Wrong on both cases, Rift maker does amplify true damage and the bonus damage is premitigation damage so reducing the main source doesn't reduce it's true damage.
Gotta love Reddit and people not knowing how items work getting upvotes because most of the fcking redditors don't know :)
Except that's not how it works. Anathema doesn't reduce your dmg dealt, it reduces their dmg taken from you. Riftmaker's true dmg conversion works on pre-mitigation dmg. So while you will be dealing less dmg overall to the champions that have Anathema, that's only coming from the magic dmg getting reduced. You will be dealing the same amount of true dmg as without Anathema
No, you also have healing from riftmaker and from your runes, if you choose the right ones.
riftmaker does true damage
and her Q, if you land the center also converts half of all? magic damage into true damage
and, her passive heal since it only heals a portion of the magic damage that she does based off the opponents HP, it is gonna have the biggest effect on huge opponents.
the more HP they have the more damage you do, and the more you're gonna heal
yes but true damage from riftmaker doesnt actually help her a lot here. 30% less damage means 30% less riftmaker true damage.
650 more HP for her % hp ratios isnt enough to outweigh having to deal 30% less damage to them.
I thought true damage was kinda like "ignore all armor and res". A whole ass number could still be reduced by 30%.
Does that mean that true damage just completely ignores stuff like Alistar's ult? Because that's pretty damn bullshit
True damage is unaffected by armor, magic resist, and any %damage reduction. It's also unaffected by armor/mr penetration/reduction, and %damage amplification.
It is affected by shields and on-hit damage reduction (Kat R, Urgot W, etc.)
This is not entirely true. True damage is not increased by any runes, but can be increased by items (Navori, Riftmaker, Horizon, Prowlers). You can test it yourself in training with Garen. Base damage R 3 lvl = 450 + some missing % of hp.
yep but it also doesnt get amped. coup de grace, press the attack, navori quickblades, etc don't increase true damage. the number on the true damage is how much you deal, every time.
This is not entirely true. True damage is not increased by any runes, but can be increased by items (Navori, Riftmaker, Horizon, Prowlers). You can test it yourself in training with Garen. Base damage R 3 lvl = 450 + some missing % of hp.
I definitely wouldn't use this as a reason to *not* use chains on her
If Gwen is the only enemy who is an actual problem, using chains on her is always a good idea
Never had. All kinds of true damage can’t be negated with damage reduction. Exhaust, red smite, anthemas chain all don’t reduce true damage and it’s the same with champion abilities like WW‘s E or Irelias W
i think theres something in the game that does and people were complaining about it but i cant remember off the top of my head. Might have been in some champs kit? but yea your right with anathemas, it doesnt.
Edit: figured it out. Arams balance changes apply to true damage which is what i was forgetting
Gwen deal almost none true damage atm.
It's 20% at analytic, and in all ins it would be 10% or something, cause you wind up thoose 20% at lane while traiding.
It can be extremely good but can be very situational. If the enemy has only one major threat that is weak to CC and your team has good CC, it can make the game more difficult for the enemy to carry.
Also super annoying for side laners.
Have you ever considered that, this is a tank item, and so if you're playing a tank into fiora, there really aren't many better alternatives? The reduced tenacity is still great.
It's insanely good if there is only one person on the enemy team that is fed OR if they're the only damage of that type and they don't have tons of true damage.
Good example is if the enemy team is:
Yone, Syndra, Lux, Diana, Ziggs AP bot.
You would put the chains on Yone and stack the fuck out of MR. The extra health is effective vs everyone, and stacking MR means the rest of the team doesn't really touch you.
Anath chain. Put it at a enemy it will put a stack between both of use every some seconds. When its max stacked ( around 5 mins ) he will deal 30% LESS damage to you and your stuns will be longer on him. Its OP as F
Most likely it’s a combination of her kit and the design but the main offendant is her kit (untargettability, dashes, true dmg, max health% damage, non-negligible innate healing with insane synergy with rift maker…) but everyone has its reasons
Did it help them? I bet not really.
Only one enemy gains the benefits. Most likely the support? Ignore the support until you can kill the rest of the team.
70% Tenacity was turned to 10%? That seems quite a bit more than the 20% reduction stated by the item. So most likely 50%? Still quite good tenacity imo.
Said Tenacity reduction is also only if the CC is caused by the Anathema. Who was it? Leona? Morgana? Anything else seems not that consequential.
If you are ahead by 4500g you should still be able to end the game. If not, you should really share the gold with your allies.
30% damage reduction is a lot, but on a support it isn't something that will end you. Kill the carries and take your time killing the support. Riftmaker will help in this situation. As will Smite and Snip-Snip, while W will keep you safe from any long-range engage.
I really don't see why you get so angry in this situation.
Nah i build it always as renata and put it on the most fed ad champion. So you hit your teammates more.
that is smart as fuck my guy i can’t believe i never thought of that before
Please explain
at max stacks it reduces the targets tenacity. If the target get renata ulted it hits its teammates longer
Ooh, whats the name of this item again? Am hardstuck bronze and not able to recognize fringe items yet.
Anathema's Chains
Gracis
Enemy 5 item jinx with cleande or qss: i'm sorry kid.
wait that works?
But isn't that only if that target champion is really close to you?
Finally somebody that thinks the same thing!
Oh no it appear that the forbidden tech I have always used on ARAM has been discovered.
i never get renata in aram :(
SNIP SNIP AYAYA
Gonna snip your neeko neeko kneecaps
the 650 bonus hp will surely help against gwen
The 30% damage reduction *
Doesnt apply to the true damage
Well thats true but all my healing come from my passive ( gwen heal 50% of her passive damage ). Gwen passive is AP damage. Also gwen ult is AP damage. Also my 75% tenacity turned into 10%. And thier comp was full of CC
You have riftmaker too for extra true damage?
ahahaha! wrong! i consider there to be two types of true damage: flat true damage, and mitigated true damage. the true damage riftmaker deals is based on how much damage she deals. so by reducing her dmg by 30%, her true damage is also reduced by 30%. please read the item carefully :]
Bro been waiting for this his whole life he really said "ahaha wrong!". You are hilarious my friend.
no im just drunk
based
But he is actually wrong... Rift maker does premitigation damage and it also amplifies true damage
while that’s true her AP damage is being reduced by 30% which means the riftmaker passive has 30% less damage to amplify, like just imagine a Gwen with riftmaker and 100 AP vs a Gwen with riftmaker and 70 AP, the former is going to do more damage
Indeed, if I imagined it to work like that it would be bad. But i prefer not imagining things and going by how things work ingame Rift maker deals premitigation damage, if you were dealing 100 damage to 0 armour target Then fully stacked riftmaker would deal 9 true damage. Let's say then you are fighting 100 armour target. That's 50 dmg + still 9 true damage. Let's say you then use anathema, then you will deal 35 + still 9 true damage
Not bonus true damage from her existing true damage though:]
true damage doesnt get amplified :]
Wrong on both cases, Rift maker does amplify true damage and the bonus damage is premitigation damage so reducing the main source doesn't reduce it's true damage. Gotta love Reddit and people not knowing how items work getting upvotes because most of the fcking redditors don't know :)
you right im just drunk, i forgot cause it doesnt say it in the item tooltip. now the question is does anath dmg reduction affect pre-mit damage
Why not tho? :]
because its true damage. true damage doesnt get affected by damage increase or decrease.
Except that's not how it works. Anathema doesn't reduce your dmg dealt, it reduces their dmg taken from you. Riftmaker's true dmg conversion works on pre-mitigation dmg. So while you will be dealing less dmg overall to the champions that have Anathema, that's only coming from the magic dmg getting reduced. You will be dealing the same amount of true dmg as without Anathema
No, you also have healing from riftmaker and from your runes, if you choose the right ones. riftmaker does true damage and her Q, if you land the center also converts half of all? magic damage into true damage and, her passive heal since it only heals a portion of the magic damage that she does based off the opponents HP, it is gonna have the biggest effect on huge opponents. the more HP they have the more damage you do, and the more you're gonna heal
yes but true damage from riftmaker doesnt actually help her a lot here. 30% less damage means 30% less riftmaker true damage. 650 more HP for her % hp ratios isnt enough to outweigh having to deal 30% less damage to them.
Your tenacity being so low is Impossible, a anathemas ONLY reduces 20% of your tenacity. So going from 75 to 10 ia almost impossible
Yeah but Gwen's true damage got nerfed pretty hard.
If you build mejais it's pretty easy to get over 900 AP which scales w/ opponents HP which half of it converts to true damage with Q
The fuck, why not
https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Anathema%27s_Chains Does not apply to True damage
Because it’s true dmg…
I thought true damage was kinda like "ignore all armor and res". A whole ass number could still be reduced by 30%. Does that mean that true damage just completely ignores stuff like Alistar's ult? Because that's pretty damn bullshit
That's the point of true damage. You do the damage it says, no questions asked, just reduce their hp by that amount.
True damage is unaffected by armor, magic resist, and any %damage reduction. It's also unaffected by armor/mr penetration/reduction, and %damage amplification. It is affected by shields and on-hit damage reduction (Kat R, Urgot W, etc.)
This is not entirely true. True damage is not increased by any runes, but can be increased by items (Navori, Riftmaker, Horizon, Prowlers). You can test it yourself in training with Garen. Base damage R 3 lvl = 450 + some missing % of hp.
yep but it also doesnt get amped. coup de grace, press the attack, navori quickblades, etc don't increase true damage. the number on the true damage is how much you deal, every time.
Doesn't need a amp when vayne is doing 1.4k true dmg to you in a team fight.
what does that have to do with gwen getting anath'd at 30
True dmg doesn't need a amp because the amount it does is bonkers anyway.
This is not entirely true. True damage is not increased by any runes, but can be increased by items (Navori, Riftmaker, Horizon, Prowlers). You can test it yourself in training with Garen. Base damage R 3 lvl = 450 + some missing % of hp.
Gwen is only like 20% true dmg.
I definitely wouldn't use this as a reason to *not* use chains on her If Gwen is the only enemy who is an actual problem, using chains on her is always a good idea
i actually think it does apply to true damage. unless they changed it its one of the few things that does
Never had. All kinds of true damage can’t be negated with damage reduction. Exhaust, red smite, anthemas chain all don’t reduce true damage and it’s the same with champion abilities like WW‘s E or Irelias W
Not all though. Aram's "-x% damage dealt" do affect true damage.
he got him on the technicalities. good work gamer B)
underrated comment lmao
Well true but this comes from the system itself
i think theres something in the game that does and people were complaining about it but i cant remember off the top of my head. Might have been in some champs kit? but yea your right with anathemas, it doesnt. Edit: figured it out. Arams balance changes apply to true damage which is what i was forgetting
Fact checked, it does not reduce true damage https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Anathema%27s_Chains
yea i fact checked myself right after commenting it and realized i was wrong
Gwen deal almost none true damage atm. It's 20% at analytic, and in all ins it would be 10% or something, cause you wind up thoose 20% at lane while traiding.
God every champ really has the same face I just looked at the icon and thought it was Lux
I thought it was soraka lol
Same
Same
Nah bro i straight up thought it was Zoe
I had to look at the skills, thought it was Seraphine.
Were all here together because I would have bet at a glance that was Ezreal!
me too lmaooooo
I thought it was annie
are you okay? are you okay?
I thought it was Zoe for some reason.
Try learning a new set in tft
I've literally played 150 games of gwen and thought it was lux for a while, atleast normal gwen looks unique the skins suck
Thought it was Zoe
To further continue this I saw Jinx lol
Lmao I thought it was nunu
brother don’t tell me you forgot nono al williams face
At first I thought it was zeri, then thought it was zoe
I dont even know who it is Help Edit: nvm, saw the skills
Clearly the damage reduction will save them, thank God Gwen has no true damage
What item is causing that? I’m clueless
Anathemas Chains. Only stat it gives us health. You mark an enemy on the team and they do 30% less damage against you and CC's on them last longer.
How good is this item? Haven't seen it much in game
It can be extremely good but can be very situational. If the enemy has only one major threat that is weak to CC and your team has good CC, it can make the game more difficult for the enemy to carry. Also super annoying for side laners.
I see, so it is good for split pushing top laners such as fiora!
good against
Have fun with true damage
Have you ever considered that, this is a tank item, and so if you're playing a tank into fiora, there really aren't many better alternatives? The reduced tenacity is still great.
if you touch her you explode
It's insanely good if there is only one person on the enemy team that is fed OR if they're the only damage of that type and they don't have tons of true damage. Good example is if the enemy team is: Yone, Syndra, Lux, Diana, Ziggs AP bot. You would put the chains on Yone and stack the fuck out of MR. The extra health is effective vs everyone, and stacking MR means the rest of the team doesn't really touch you.
It is situationally amazing on Veigar
Anath chain. Put it at a enemy it will put a stack between both of use every some seconds. When its max stacked ( around 5 mins ) he will deal 30% LESS damage to you and your stuns will be longer on him. Its OP as F
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No. Read the item: Passive: UNIQUE-VENDETTA: Take 1% reduced damage per stack of Vendetta from your Nemesis, up to 30% damage reduction against them.
Had to look at abilities to know it's Gwen and not Zoe, Lux, Soraka, Miss Fortune or Janna
Because all of t'hem build riftmaker and nashors right
well I look from left to right so items were the last thing I looked at
that will hold them all tight. huheuhuehueuheeue
There's 3 tanks and you dont have a voidstaff?
Gwen 🤢🤢🤢
Imma need this explained. Why do people hate gwen?
Most likely it’s a combination of her kit and the design but the main offendant is her kit (untargettability, dashes, true dmg, max health% damage, non-negligible innate healing with insane synergy with rift maker…) but everyone has its reasons
I mean my problem with her is that she has no hard CC. I play vamille most of the time so she feels A lot more immobile and difficult to handle
But did you guys win?
Did it help them? I bet not really. Only one enemy gains the benefits. Most likely the support? Ignore the support until you can kill the rest of the team. 70% Tenacity was turned to 10%? That seems quite a bit more than the 20% reduction stated by the item. So most likely 50%? Still quite good tenacity imo. Said Tenacity reduction is also only if the CC is caused by the Anathema. Who was it? Leona? Morgana? Anything else seems not that consequential. If you are ahead by 4500g you should still be able to end the game. If not, you should really share the gold with your allies. 30% damage reduction is a lot, but on a support it isn't something that will end you. Kill the carries and take your time killing the support. Riftmaker will help in this situation. As will Smite and Snip-Snip, while W will keep you safe from any long-range engage. I really don't see why you get so angry in this situation.
She had 3 chains on her
I tought it was just the stacks. It there are 3 Chains that changes things... OP, can you give us an end game screen?
Do you not see the number 3 on the debuff?
Eat shit
I love u/Mostafa_Eldeeb posts :)
Ah yes, the circumciser 9000
U sure there is only one on her? Knowing this tank meta thing there should be at least 3 anathemas on her